Christian Kirk Is WR1 And Might Stay That In 2024
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- WR Christian Kirk is a valuable member of the Jacksonville Jaguars WR corps. Lost in all the talk is how his injury changed the trajectory of the Jacksonville Jaguars season. He is WR1, if there is such a thing for this organization. Why is it not recognized? Is he good enough to be that? These are legitimate questions that we have the answer to on this episode.
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A man who goes from facts as opinions instead of opinions as facts. Thanks.Wigg!
Wiggs is the real deal! Fan since 95 and this is the best. Also dig Prisco, he tells it like it is also.
I cpuld be wrong, but the Jags often try to sign top tier players at positions except wide receiver. No shade, but my opinion.
Tbh I think this is a Doug thing I think he believes he doesn’t need the best of the best WR in his system just multiple gadget guys n players that can do multiple things used multiple places
A lot of people sounds scared and we haven’t hit the field yet
For good reason. Our talent level at WR keeps getting worse.
Uh yeah Texans have e a better roster now for sure
@@jayshupp5971 bro we still got the draft man like y’all. Gotta relax stuff looks good now on paper but games still need to be played
@@123shoshan Who been awful for the last 2 years. You can't be talking about the Jags and if you are you sure don't know what you talking about.
Move heaven and earth and go get Justin Jefferson
Evan Ingram looks pretty good to borrow is sitting somewhere on the trade up maybe we don’t need a trade up so far maybe we just need to get Bowers doggy P’s office is based off a tight ends and a slot is the main piece of that Bauer sounds like the Way to work. You got an experience office of tackle with hands.
great podcast toney good day everydayer oldman here. still think we get a wr in pick 17. they believe they get a super get at 17. 48 is prime also.
We have arguably the worst WR room in the division and that’s coming from a guy who loves Kirk
We are paying a premium for below average to average talent.
Trevor has literally said he would take a Brady type deal if they get him WR and Oline help. Trade next year's #1 pick to Cincy for Tee Higgins ND send them Zay Jones to free up space. Use pick 17 to trade back to 20-22 to draft Mims from Georgia so you have a monster to lock down that tackle spot. Move Antwan over to left guard for a season to help cam and have Ezra and Brandon alternate to stay fresh. Mitch is at center. Leave Walker to help out at tackle when someone needs a breather. Then draft Max Melton or top CB available in the 2nd rd and grab a top edge or maybe a Dewaybe Carter at 96 and watch the difference it would make. But that's just my opinion. I played Wr in college and safety in high-school so I'm no guru. Just want to see our team firing on all cylinders. Go Jags!!!!
Christian Kirk is our #1 WR, strictly out of necessity, because of a distinct lack of talent in front and behind him. Don't get me wrong. Kirk is one of the best #2 slot receivers in the league, but there is no excuse for us not to have that big, "go to" receiver in front of him that can be a true #1 option for Trevor. Gabe Davis is not a #2. He was brought in to replace Zay Jones as the #3 WR, but when Baalke messed up and Calvin Ridley left during free agency, we had to keep Jones. Davis went several games in Buffalo where he never even got looks and that was with a top 5 QB throwing to him. There's no way he's going to miraculously get better here, with a QB who is still good, but not to the level of what Allen is. Now, we are left with a #2 WR and a pair of #3's. We currently have the worst WR room in the division. Houston is now 3 deep at WR with the addition of Diggs. Tennessee is 2 deep with Ridley and Hopkins and Indianapolis is even better with Pittman and an emerging WR in Josh Downs. I don't care how much better our O-Line plays, that won't effect the passing game much when the talent level of the WR position is sub-par. Unless we do something drastic by injecting elite level talent at the WR position by trade or trading up in the draft, I don't see this offense leading the team to anything better than a third place finish in the division. No. Having Kirk at #1 is NOT enough. Not even close.
I think you are wrong on with this post. Gabe Davis can be a number 2 he went games without being targeted because Josh Allen was so focused on getting the ball to Diggs just like the trap we fell into when we tried to force Ridley the ball. We didn't start our win streak until we started giving the ball to Kirk and Engram spreading the ball around. Davis will be used much different and will have more opportunities because this is offense that wants to spread the ball to different receivers not just focus on 1 receiver. Also we don't know what level Trevor can get to and Davis is a weapon that Trevor has yet to have a legitimate deep threat big body receiver. Davis can be very effective if given the opportunity people were saying the same thing that you are saying about Kirk. Then he came he and balled out. You can predict what these guys can do in different offenses. I think Gabe will be a huge addition and add an element this team has not had. I also think they will draft a WR with that player being groomed to be the true #1. How is the Colts better with 2 receivers that was there last year when we swept them. You are underrating the Davis addition and how impactful Kirk and Engram is to this offense. You are looking at player names and not how schemes and gameplans impact how well players perform in offenses. I think you are really underestimating this offense and the fact that they have mostly been playing together now going on 3 years. Ask Mahomes do you need a whole bunch of big name receivers or is it more important to have guys that know how to play together and where to be on the field!!! Jaguars are fine but I do think they will add to receiver.
@@carlrickerson5360 The Bills tried to make Gabe Davis a #2 and he failed. He had 7 games last season where he was only targeted 3 times or less and he was working with a top 5 QB. Allen was not forcing the ball to Diggs. If you watched any Bills games, you'd know Allen spread the ball around to the TE's a lot last season. Gabe is a #3 WR at best. He is a poor route runner with suspect hands who fails to create space and get open. Just ask a Bills fan. I have talked to several and they all said the same thing. They said losing him was no loss at all. Unless we trade up, it's VERY unlikely we find a #1 WR in the draft and I don't see us being able to trade up. You keep mentioning Engram, but he is NOT a WR. He is a TE. If you include the TE's in the AFC South, we still have the worst receivers in the division, because we lack talent at WR, specifically. I'm tired of being barely above .500 at best. I wanna take big steps forward like other teams and we can't do that unless we add truly talented players at skill positions. You can't keep expecting Trevor to improve when you downgrade his weapons and losing Calvin Ridley and replacing him with Gabe Davis is a HUGE downgrade. You can't just say, Pat Mahomes doesn't need a #1 WR. Guess what? Mahomes may be the best QB to ever play the game. He's not Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence is good, but he's the kind of QB who needs help. Mahomes can do it on his own. He's special. You cannot compare the two. I truly hope we do trade up and get a young #1 WR like Harrison Jr., Odunze, Nabers or even Thomas Jr., but I don't see that happening. Anything outside of those 4 guys, I don't consider a lock to be a #1 WR. Maybe Xavier Leggette or Javon Baker CAN be a #1 WR in time, but that is a longshot. Like Tony said, there may be 15 or so draftable WR's in this year, but that doesn't mean they fit what you need them to be. The top 4 guys are what we need them to be. Maybe Leggette or Baker can be who we need them to be, but as I said, they are longshots and we can't just assume they will be a hit. Every other WR in the draft would be more of a replacement for a guy we already have. We're not looking to replace Kirk just yet. We need a receiver with size, speed and the ability to get open to compliment Kirk.
What u say doesn’t really add up tho.
Gabe lost targets ok. But the Bills #1 WR in Diggs only put up 1100 yards on 100+ catches.
U use the pieces u have the best way u can. Diggs does a little what Davis does but he’s a more consistent threat underneath. So he got the most targets. Sounds like Kirk to me. Zay was good when he was a legit downfield/redzone threat.
Ridley was never that. His numbers woulda been a lot better if he was because the jags gave him every opportunity. He was good as a number 2 for the Falcons. He was a good number 2 for us. WE expected number 1. That’s why we didn’t pay him. Kirk already brings us a lot of what he did.
I think Gabe could go off if Zay stays healthy. That’s 2 legit downfield threats with two legit underneath threats in Kirk and Engram plus ETN in the pass game.
I’d still take a receiver in those top 3 picks tho. Neither one has been THAT dependable.
Gabe Davis is “just a guy”. He has always been “just a guy”. He will always be “just a guy.” Ridley was not what Baalke expected him to be, but he is still much better than Gabe Davis. We didn’t have an ideal situation at WR last season, but now we are even worse than we were then. That is a FACT.
@jayshupp5971 Lol do your homework before trying to debate. Just a guy doesn't have 200 yds and 4 tds in a playoff game. He don't consistently get behind defenses he avgs 18 yds a catch. Getting deep is his strength. You are the first and only person who has labeled a wr who has at least 7 or 8 tds a year just a guy. Schemes matter and we will see what he does for us cause he gives us a dynamicwe haven't had but again you don't know what the hell your talking about. Glad u not the coach or GM cause we would be screwed.
Once again, you’re hitting the nail on the head. The Jags need all the help they can get. With the GM they’ve hade, that will not happen. Yes, he’s good at selecting a handful of players but he’s got to start doing more than just that. Building around your core offensive and defensive players. Like Lawerence and Allen is a must. Not doing that will cause the franchise to decline. That’s not what fans, real fans of Jacksonville want. When Doug Peterson arrived, that was awesome, since then the GM has made the Jags look foolish in many ways. Just my opinion.
There are still games that need to be played the Texans look good on paper no doubt but for the people out there that thinks the season is already over is really ridiculous smh y’all really need to relax
The fact is we lack talent at WR. I don't need to see a game to know this is true. We have one good WR and he plays in the slot. We haven't had an elite #1 WR since Jimmy Smth.
@@jayshupp5971 your right we don’t have a Jimmy Smith no doubt but we still have a solid WR core the only thing that is missing is and outside guy we are not that far behind period!!!!! At the end of the day it’s going to come down to can the jags get there o line and D line together period!!!!! I feel like if that happens we will be in good shape but for anyone to say that we are far apart from the Texans is trippin to me
@@mandelburns3242We do not have a solid receiver core. We have one good slot receiver (Kirk) and that’s it.
Facts
@@jayshupp5971when trev has time and his receivers are healthy he can pick defenses apart. Gabe is solid don’t sleep
Kirk & engram tear up the middle of the field. We need a guy to win on the outside. F that. Time for trent to drop his nuts & stop playing everything safe
Amen!
Houston said #CheckMate
#Jags your turn
Qb's best friend is an effective running game
The running game is only as good as the O-Line and so far, all we did was upgrade the Center position. Everything else stayed the same. We should be much better at Center, but we needed to be better on the entire interior O-Line. I don't see where we will significantly improve with the same starters at OG.
We need to get Higgins or BA
@@123shoshan Mitchell is Courtland Sutton 2.0. He's not a #1.
I say fuck it give 2 1sts and 2 3rds for Jettas
I would argue Jax has a better wide receiver group this year than KC did last year and they won the Super Bowl.
True but they gave pat everything he needed to win and understand how to win, Trev wasn’t drafted to a playoff team that was just missing the right qb. Pat still has Kelce who is more consistent than everybody Trev has thrown too. Not to mention playcalling. We don’t use Trev right and gave him a bunch of smaller targets when he has always thrived with larger targets.
While the Texans have Diggs. Thanks Trent.
Also how much blame does Trevor if you do nothing but give him shit to work with?
30:40 "That's not enough" Could it be enough with a better O-line? Because it feels like it matches what The Chiefs just won The Superbowl with, the difference is that the supporting cast didn't allow them to flourish, so you need guys who can separate quicker/catch with a higher percentage of tougher targets.
That’s what I’m saying. Jax has a better receiver room than KC did last year. It’s a team sport. Not a wide receiver room sport.
Did I miss something? Did we sign Mahomes? He’s the reason they keep winning Super Bowls with average receivers. He might be the best QB ever. We don’t have that luxury. Lawrence needs help and we have failed to get him any.
@@jayshupp5971 I'd argue that the receivers weren't the biggest problem last season.
The fans who keep bringing up that's it's better than it was a few years ago are right about that, but the truth is the goal is supposed to be a Super Bowl. The Owner stated that, so it should be the standard we all look at the team as. If they aren't making moves and doing things to win a Super Bowl then they are failing to meet the standard. Period.
Texans look good yes. But bruh, they not gon hit on everybody. Diggs or Wilkenson gon flop. Most likely Diggs cause he was mid as fukk last year.
Al we gotta do add the right pieces. I’m pretty confident in Baalke coming out of the first round with a good player. As long as it’s a receiver or CB, I’m not too worried.
@@maniacslap1623my reply isn’t in response to what the Texans did it’s about our teams ability or inability to do the things necessary to win a Super Bowl. Either the moves you are making are getting you closer to that goal or you are getting further away from that goal. That should be how we judge the team and not that they aren’t as bad as they used to be.
Baalke has only drafted 1 receiver in his entire career in the first round. Yes that player did not pan out but I think it is close minded to think that because he drafted one receiver that he can't draft receiver. This is a draft filled with skilled receivers and I do think that any receiver they draft within the first two rounds will have an impact because they have a really good young quarterback in Trevor throwing the football. I believe they will take a receiver in the first round but to keep saying Baalke can't draft receivers when he has only drafted a 1st round receiver once is pretty overblown.
Do you see Diggs in Houston
Diggs sucks 1-2
No one is hating on Kirk. We just understand we need more in that room.
Agreed. Kirk is among the best #2 slot receivers in the NFL, but we need a lot more than that.
The Texans keep adding dude, they just traded for Stefon Diggs. They might have to trade for Aiyuk. Jags are getting left in the dust.
1-2
How when we were ahead of them in our rebuild they are trying to catch up. They just signed their version of Christian Kirk, our team is already built ww just need rookie talent at a couple of positions. But if you think the Texans are better just say so.
Lol jags got left in the dust the moment we put our future in Tlaws hands and texans drafted stroud!
@@Jesters7264 Lol .Y'all are such prisoners of the moment. Stroud is good but not better than Trevor yet, Stroud slowed down towards the end of the year but the question is why? When DCs get a full year of tape on him this off-season. You acting like Jags didn't beat them.
@skipg73 no I'm acting like stroud played much better and is much better which he did and he is!
We need to stack our Secondary and Pass Rush since we're not going after an elite WR..so lets stop other teams Offense
Yea but that ain't helping keep Trevor healthy. He needs Oline help and if we don't trade up for and elite reciever we need to get him a mauler at left tackle that will be there for years to come and trade cam for draft capital or move him elsewhere on the line. Trevor isn't gonna stay in Jacksonville if nothing changes. Mark my words.
We need Brandon Ayuik like now Texans are going to kill us and we need to draft corners
We can find good corners all the way into round 4. The truly elite WR's may all be gone before pick #17
Aren't Brandon in Tennessee
If I'm Trevor Lawrence and we go into another season with Kirk as the #1 WR, because we failed to get a true #1, I'd refuse to sign an extension, because I want out. I would want to go to an organization that would surround me with good weapons.
He is the face of the franchise why would he want out they have given him plenty of weapons. Diggs is a 31 year old receiver who wouldn't fit what we do. They are gonna either draft a WR or trade for a younger WR. This ain't the NBA where guys just request trades especially QB's and Trevor ain't that type of player. The Jags have put a good team around Trevor in back 2 back years. He wants to be a Jag!! Also Trevor loves Kirk and they have great chemistry Kirk wouldn't be the reason he would want out, which he doesn't.
@@carlrickerson5360 They have failed to give him a #1 WR and so far, they have failed to protect him. I never said we should go after Stephon Diggs. I wouldn't like that idea at all. I want a young #1 WR, not a grumpy, older WR like Diggs. I highly doubt we trade for a #1 WR and unless we trade up in the draft, we're not getting a #1 WR in the draft either. We have the worst WR room in the division right now. Christian Kirk is a very good #2 slot receiver, but that's all we have. We need a #1 to pair with Kirk. We downgraded greatly when we replaced Calvin Ridley with Gabe Davis.
Weapons who Jones and Kirk? Ridley for a year after not playing for basically 2 years. The wasted a pick on strange and bigsby that could have been used to bolster the oline and get another reciever. Tb is worst GM in the league.
I've been watching a lot of tap and honestly I think if we can get top offensive tackle in round 1 and Xavier Leggette in round 2 the trade back into the 2nd round for Max Melton at around pick 55-60 I think we could get this team ahead quiet a few steps. What you think Tony?
@@123shoshan Adonai Mitchell is Courtland Sutton 2.0. Not a true #1 WR.
@@123shoshan dude u reply to everyone that post on any draft talk ad Mitchell this ad Mitchell that. He's not a superstar reciever. Do us a favor and leave it alone we get u like ad Mitchell good for u many of us don't think k he has the grit to be a dog on the field. Now please quit stalking posts saying the same thing over and over. Geez you sound like you have a man crush or something
@@GoldenGloves-and-CaneCorsoshe’s a bit unhinged it seems. Or a lil kid
1-2 Diggs sucks