Except its a little worse than the hawaii launch because unlike the R9 290/X cards the vega cards are overweight on shaders because that never got fixed from the fury cards. Honestly for Gcn based gaming cards AMD should have topped the lineups out with a 52CU/64ROP gpu (With a 44CU/64ROP cut down chip) and fabbed them all from a fully enabled vega 56 die (and obviously use all the fully enabled dies in pro gpu's/ them stupid frontier edition cards which would have actually made them a better deal for both the intended prosumer market and amd) because at clock parity the differences between all the fiji and vega variants is almost nothing (when the fury cards framebuffer dont get in the way) despite lopping off 12% of the shaders and 2 arch revisions.
hey dude, was actualy just doing this, its going to hit negative 40 on wednesday, i was thinking of bringing my full pc outside and pushing everything to its limits, im running a powercolor vega 64 and 1800x
HaloSam296 condensation isn't really a problem if it stays subzero as long as there is no temperature change. There will be no condensation while it is outside. When the condensation happens is when there is a change of temperature between the cooling substances and the rest of the PC. For example, LN2 is really subzero but if the rest of the PC is that temperature, it doesn't matter. It makes condensation when the PC is room temperature but the fluid is subzero. As long as segraph keeps it inside to thaw for a while before turning it on, he will have no condensation.
Condensation is not the problem if all outside the problem is coldboot bugs. Memory and motherboards act very strange at sub zero temps. Good luck though cold bug won't kill hardware just very frustrating.
Cold air is very dense though, so it'll condense super easy. I guess you'd need to leave your PC outside so itself is as cold as the temperature outside so it's at equilibrium. Might need a fan on it to blast cold air on it to stop chips getting warm enough for condensation.
Timmy i would like to say i think that your a really reallly great youtuber you have a amazing personality and good when youtubers care about what they are doing and i thank you for being that way and also it gets cold there i lived in Canada for 5 years before moving to Tennessee because i had family there but thank you for the content it helps me with bad days to know i can come to your channel and sit down and watch some reliable content
@@ZAGAN-OZ It should be able to OC a bit more. Fury X to Vega 64 was a 28nm to 14nm change and that let Vega 64 to much higher clocks. Im hoping RVII OCs to 2ghz. Would be a sick card.
I feel like I'm doing a disservice by not water cooling my vega the numbers and stability are amazing. I just scared of doing the switch. The vega 64 is my frist graphic card
Great video, Timmy Joe. Been watching it for a year. Thanks for keeping it on RUclips. Warrantee ended on my Vega 64 so I stripped off the box cooler and threw on some better fans. Yup. you're right. It does reach some pretty good clock speeds once you change the cooler. Managed to inch past 1810 Mhz before it became fickle, black screening to the desk top. Also notice it runs cooler with a mV power bump and the memory turned up, 34c under load. Runs fast, smooth and efficient @1770 Mhz, memory @ 1100 Mhz+. Never seen it go over 40c. Gonna keep Vega64 for a while or till the gpu market drops those money hungry prices for new 8gb cards. Thanks for the video tips, bud.
Nice man! I've got a Asus ROG Strix 64. It is usually reasonably quiet, but I only get in the upper 1500s, pushing 1600, with undervolting, 50% non-hacked power limit, and tweaked fan / clock curves and 2 GHz memory (in Wattman - ditched GPU Tweak 2 that came with the card since Wattman actually worked better [had to put a couple exhaust case fans back on motherboard control rather than GPU control though]). I don't go further due to wanting stability in my gaming sessions, but I love to see people pushing them.
Monarch Black I’ve got the same card and see exactly the same results. I think I broke 1600 once... Should we bother upgrading to the LC edition? I think the VII might be out of my price range.
@@joshmcguffie5156 I was considering the VII, if the results looked good, but they don't really and you can't find the card anywhere anyway. Personally, I wouldn't upgrade from a normal 64 to a LC edition. I don't think it's worth the money to buy a whole new card to gain 10% performance.
i have gotten scores of around 8400 in timespy with just the water cooled edition of vega 64 at normal room temperatures, try lowering the voltage to around 1160mv it will allow the card to pull more power
I just picked up a Vega 56 for 250 locally. Flashed to a 64 bios and OCed. Did way better then I thought it would got a 25% fps in one game, was pretty blown away
@@beck320 Well i didn´t have much luck. Though mine manages to hit around 1640 MHz in games and around 1030 MHz for HBM2. I can get up to 1130 MHz, though depending of the game this creates errors above 70 degrees. 1080 MHz is stable overall, but creates small green pixel artefacts in RDR2 and rare crashes in Monster Hunter World. 1030 MHz is stable and creates no artefacts at all. Not a great overclock.
@@beck320 Well that how it goes. Though Sapphires Vega64 performs like a charm for 1080p. Bought it for 350 around a year ago. Can only agree though. Had a lot of fun testing the boundaries of this card. It can even go up to 1670 MHz in games, though for over 300 Watts.
timmmy i cant belive you did this today. im gonna crank mine up too!!! tommorrow its gonna be -32c for me as well. it just so happens i have the same exact circumstances.
Vega Architecture is great! I wish it was just an easier way to unlock that power limit but I guess they didn't want people without a water block burning out their GPU lol. I might try to block my Vega 56 and see what I can do.
I been playing around with a 1050 ti I got recently that uses external power by Gigabyte. The core was underwhelming at only a 100 Mhz offset for a boost clock of 1860, but the memory, holy shit the memory! I got an offset of 996 Mhz! My memory is running at 4.5 GHz for an effective speed of 9 GHz! I've never got an over clock of that magnitude on anything in my life, and the temps never even hit 60 degrees.
I have 2 LC Vega 64's and a prototype Vega card with LC and 16Gb of HBM2. I'm not privy to talk about the latter much. It isn't a 7nm card, so hold your enthusiasm. The short reply is that my LC Vega cards can easily do 1850Mhz. They don't sustain those clocks unless additional cooling is provided. Without additional cooling, I can sustain 1750Mhz. At at those clocks, and memory overclocked to 1100Mhz, I can match RTX 2080 benchmarks all day. Of course I don't have ray tracing or DLSS, but so what? The prototype card has only ever been used as a single card. The other two LC Vega 64's have been used in crossfire. Crossfire does not scale very well in all games, but when it does.....oh my. The performance is so far off the charts that it is ridiculous. Yes, power requirements for this setup is rather large. But I've got the gear, so I use it. It might be an issue for someone that is gaming 10hrs a day every day. But that isn't me. Even if it was, it isn't like it's going to cost you $1000 in electricity.
@Eric B You are a know-it-all who knows nothing you pick one part of a test and blather on with your limited knowledge you don't own a 2080 or anything like it yet you try to pass youself off as some kind of guru because you watch some YT videos or reviews on tech sites.
@Eric B You would be surprised at what vega cards can do once you get them to sustain their boost clocks, a liquid cooled v64 with 1750mhz core and 1100mhz memory would be just a tiny bit slower than that vega vii amd showed off in everything but fallout 4 (fallout 4 is sensitive to all kindsa memory overclocking) which would put it in the stock rtx 2080 ballpark.
I just got a Gigabyte RX Vega 56 Gaming OC last night... Haven't done any overclocking (not really sure if I will - I have bad luck when I do), but I've been playing around with undervolting. I'm impressed with how it takes to making voltage adjustments - got my temps down, which reduced the fan speeds - and also stabilized the clocks. It seems to like sitting at max boost all the time now (strangely, that's 1576Mhz - Gigabyte's web site lists 1501 for max boost clock) as opposed to bouncing the clocks madly up and down like they are a yo-yo. But looking at my Kill-a-watt meter - I can't say I see anything dramatic with reduced power consumption - seems to be about the same. I like what I'm seeing for frame rates and quality settings. So my impressions are when it's the right price, it's a good card esp. for people that enjoy tweaking out settings.
weird results, my reference sapphire vega 64 scores about the same 8100 on timespy, and higher on firestrike at 26k. ive undervolted and overclocked to 1682 core and 1120 memory. either the gain from my higher hbm2 overclock is massive or his card is actually only running at around 1550mhz. my card hovers around 1630mhz at 75 degrees, 50%+ power limit.
Yeah UVing is important not increasing voltage in a normal non subzero testing. Here we are seeing clocks and CB scores but IRL max FPS is key. When you said trouble keeping max clocks at stock that is the known issue that 56/64 cards have; they throttle BC stock voltage is too high. The supply issue at launch was mainly due to one HBM supplier's die was lower and not even with the GPU die so cooler fitment became an issue.
Got a Vega 56 today for $150 US, and after selling my RX 580 I technically I only paid about 40 bucks for the upgrade. Can't wait to tinker away. The Vega 56 is a tinkerer's wet dream.
You'd need to stick the CPU on a loop out the window for anything more than like 4.8ghz on haswell-e and broadwell-e tops out around 4.5 to 4.6 without chilled cooling.
Looking forward to that X99 review!! Been running a 5820k as my main since Jan of 2015, only just recently (like, two days ago) built up a 9600k (yes I know you hate it but I don't do content creation/rendering/etc so I don't need threads I need frequency/fps and it was cheaper than an 8600k) with a Prime Z390-A and RTX2060. The Haswell-E served me well for many years running a 4.5Ghz OC, it is still a quite viable platform performance-wise if you're not looking for balls-to-the-wall 4k Ultra-Max-Super-Duper Over-9000FPS type of gaming chops. I'm excited to see what you've done with the old girl! Edit: BTW, I beat your graphics score on Time Spy with my 2060. 8135pts ;) Impressed with the little guy.
Vega64 is still a good card, I have one in my spare PC, doesn't overclock as well as the VII, that thing can haul ass when you are on water, talking 400mhz overclock on the core and 270hz on the ram. Almost 23% over stock boost speed! Best part, it's aging well, still able to keep up in modern games.
If its like - 32 degrees outside, surely you want a massive air cooler blasting all that lovely heat into the room? Maximise its efficiency in another aspect of room heating? Win win! 😂 Great video! Love your stuff!
X99 can still be fun to play with. Things to look out for; avoid beta BIOS with Spectre/Meltdown fix if you're benching, try to get 2400MHz or faster RAM that is matched so it can run at a command rate of 1 and tight tertiary timings. Disable RAM channel and bank training once your memory speed and settings are sorted, disable fast boot if using NVMe (messes with graphics drivers on boot up). Disable VTTd and all CPU virtualization including hardware snooping. Use the latest Intel IME and USB3 drivers so Windows 10 operates properly and fast. You may need to drop to PCIe 2.0 on some boards if pushing high BCLCK. That's the major ones coming to my head at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of others when I turn on my X99 system again, haha. Oh, I guess if you have Windows 10 Pro (any Windows Pro or server edition) you can lock pages in memory for a bit extra performance.
youtuber "not a apple fan" says vega likes undervolting more than more volts. idk man, I currently use a 1080ti, but really like vega stuff and hope to go navi soon.
Guys, remember he is using a red mod, to allow for 150% power. Thereby bypassing the power limit. While at the same time having Sub-Zero cooling solution. Undervolt works on regular vega because you want the power spikes to be below the maximum amount of power allowed to the core. So in his case undervolt does not improve, but for day to day usage, undervolt is good.
Undervolt works, while you're being power/thermal restricted. But if it's about boosting the clocks as high as possible, on a subzero cooler the undervolt will just set clocks lower.
I am getting a radeon 7 for sure... I just need a tight contained case, like maybe a fridge or something and hook that thing to a chiller. It will smash 1900MHz most likely at 7nm.
I've just got one XFX Vega 64 used card for 230EUR, and the best thing it that with 60FPS , FreeSync monitor , power is just about 80W !!!! man that is great, and temp is about 50 to 60 c , just great!
I love what you have done here in this video, but you really need to dial it in more. Can't just crank the core clock and expect it pump out the frames. Your gpu score is pretty much what a standard vega 64 air cooled can do undervolted. Mine does 8107 gpu score at 1670mhz air cooled. On an LC bios you have so much more head room!!! Look in to OverdriveNtool for overclocking instead of using wattman. Disable all the Pstates except P7 for core and P3 on the hbm and this will really lock in your true stable clocks :) Keep it up!!!
I got my sapphire nitro+ rx vega 64 undervolted/overclocked to 1715mhz core @ 1065mV and 1120mhz memory @ 951mV @ +50% power on air @ 100% fan speed for gaming purposes all stable. While gaming the core is actually 1650mhz average. This gained me 8-15 more FPS @ 4K in all my games. The hottest I’ve seen it get is 70c and I play in 4K max settings 60FPS. Average power consumption is around 300W.
Recently bought 2nd hand Vega64 LC. Love it ,also I got a really good one. ~1820-1895mhz/1130mhz in time spy with 50% power limit , 8730 score. Getting close to Radeon VII performance :)
Hello @Timmy Joe PC Tech 😀 I put my Vega 56 in the water and now I have excellent temperatures under load on the 33 to 42c gpu. I am planning to do an aggressive overclock based on your sample. Could you ask me any other questions? What bios did you use on your card? What log file did you use "vega morepower" on your card? I tried to put Vega 64 aios bios on my card and it really hits 1750mhz, but every 5 seconds it downclocks to less than 1000mhz on the gpu no matter what I do. I got 1700mhz on the 1.2v gpu and 1100mhz on the 1v hbm2, with Vega64 bios and editing the registry for 150% morepower. But I'm fascinated by the possibility of obtaining 1800mhz. Would you help me?
I had to install a passive battery charger on my car last week because it wouldn't start in the last cold snap. Works great now. Wind chills got to -60*F here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Also you look good in red flannel. Totally an up north attire, I have many blue flannel jackets myself lol
Hey Timmy, I just bought a Vega 64, was thinking of running the Morpheus, don't want to add in water cooling, is that mod worth it or just stick to the regular single blower? Also is it ideal to take the card apart and redo the thermal pads and paste?
Heck yeah thanks for the link on the power play edit. Been wanting a lil more juice out my gigabyte vega64 and it did just that got the clocks up more and gave me 8-10fps more avg fps hah
So when using Wattman if you want the Vega64 to stay at its constant max freq left click the state blocks IE: State 0 state 1 state 2 etc. and on state 7 you left click the state box and make it both the min and max so that it won't fluctuate between the other frequency ranges. The more you know.
Picked up a reference Vega 56 when the prices dipped on the Used market for i think $140? idr, but holy moly is the stock blower not enough. It was shooting down to ~1,100MHz in some games and up to ~1280 in other games while also being hot and loud. Undervolted got it to 1250-1420 i think (don't remember exactly) but still hot and loud... So i put Liquid Metal and cut the bracket to let air through :-) then flashed 64 Bios. So with everything now it sits at 1520-1640 with the blower fan @2850rpm max and @76-79c (room is 70-72F)
Wanted vega so bad like 9 months ago but ended up buying a new system a ryzen 5 2600 b350 tomahawk and 16gb 3000mhz ram with a rx 580 and 1080p 144hz freesync monitor. Wanted to up grade from my I5 3570k and 1060. This was before nvidia was allowed to use freesync and I'm still happy with the decision. Just wish I waited but you can wait forever for better deals.
Ahh, so the outside temperature was -32℉. Today, where I live, it was 44.9℃ outside. The old fashioned fahrenheit scale equivalent is 113º. I couldn't imagine which is worse, way too hot or way too cold.
I've bought cheap fury X in 2016 (250$) and it just died with artifacts in november 2018. I can buy cheap vega 64 now but not sure because I want gpu that will survive for 4-6 years but not only 2 years. So should I buy this 200 watt monster or wait Navi and bla bla bla this year?
my waterblock arrived today. Now i just got to find some thermal pads and im ready to cool this beast. then we will see what this vega 64 can do :) so ironic you got you card and did this video at the same time as i felt ebay prices got sweet.
i flashed the liquid bios as well, and put it under water as well, but i am having an FPS drop bug, apparently it is due to the drivers after 19.1.1, so i rolled back and the issue disappeared, anyone have any idea on a fix for this?
Great video with excellent results. My Strix Vega 64 with watercooling only gets around 1620Mhz @1130v. I'm just about to look at the video in your description about the power play tables, hopefully that gets me some love. For anyone reading that has a Asus Strix Vega 64 OC, have you flashed the LC bios on it? The Strix don't have reference boards so I'm not sure if I can and I can't find any info on it.
@Timmy Joe PC Tech you need to push your card more :D my vega 56 with vega 64 bios on air, with memory set to 1100, gpu@ 1.19V p7 set to 1820, resulting in 1755MHz max boost gets 26K graphics score in firestrike. Maybe reduce the voltage?
It's a fake ha, it's a telecaster copy that I put all fender american standard hardware in and I artificially made it look road warn and put a american standard decal on the headstock. It was a project that I've been modding over and over for like 5, 6 years now? I do have a Gibson Les Paul Studio and a Ephiphone dot semi hollow body though. :) thanks for askin
@@TimmyJoePCTech Oh man, thats wonderfull. I dont know too many youtubers that are actually into rock/metal music. Only Elric from TOT as far as I know. What amp do you have, or maybe amps? I guess with those lovely guitars. I got myself a nice deal on a pretty decent deal on Epiphone LP standard pro and the new line of Marshall valve amps, I got the DSL15C. Would love to talk to you about some of it, even tho I have been playing for only 2 years now. Aaaanyway, dont you have/plan to have a Discord server of some sort?
If you try overclocking your CPU again with the super cold Canadian winter wasteland. Use a watercooler like you did with the Vega. Also get a small heating pad and put the PC on top of it and a lot of thermal insulation around the socket. Just a idea. I dont know if it would work.
#Butter of the Butter Vega 64 optimal settings Core Clock:1685mhz (1080mv) Memory Clock: 960mhz Fan curve: passive aggressive power %: All the way. After two months worth of benchmarks and research and second and third opinions.
That's a reference card? Hmm that's interesting considering Sapphires are 399 on newegg with RE 2, Devil may cry 5 and division 2. Although, I Think i'm going to wait for the Radeon 7. Subbed btw.
glad to see Vega getting some love
Yea. My Vega64 Liquid card hits 1855Mhz on its stock cooler. Vega can do better but it lacks HBM2 bandwidth.
@@nathans3022 what mem speed you run ?
@@Steve25g 1100Mhz gaming. 1150 if I keep my room cold enough. My HBM is temp sensitive.
@@nathans3022 I keep stable on 1530/1100 , 74% Fan, 925MV undervolt, Vega 56 , V64 flashed,without OC settings, it flies to 1650/1100, I love vegas
@@Steve25g can u help me underclock and overclock my vega 64 later ? i did ovezrclock an 470 and a 580 but vega are different
I just picked up a vega 64 gigabyte OC edition on ebay for $230 shipped.
TheZombieSurvivalist bid I’m assuming? Just got a 1070 for 145 plus shipping.
And here I am thinking my $300 1070 ti was a good deal
Tr3vor I can get a 1070 ti for about $220. It’s all about the hustle and patience. Also social engineering. :)
You sir, have picked up an incredible bargain. I'm not a fan of Gigabyte or ASUS Vega cards, but for $230 shipped, you cannot go wrong.
@@chadwickhurlburt6529 I'm not either, I'm an xfx and sapphire kinda guy, but since it wa so cheap and an AIB, I went for it
Vega reminds me a lot of the R290x/290 when they came out. Really good capable cards absolutely kneecapped by really bad reference cooling solutions.
Except its a little worse than the hawaii launch because unlike the R9 290/X cards the vega cards are overweight on shaders because that never got fixed from the fury cards.
Honestly for Gcn based gaming cards AMD should have topped the lineups out with a 52CU/64ROP gpu (With a 44CU/64ROP cut down chip) and fabbed them all from a fully enabled vega 56 die (and obviously use all the fully enabled dies in pro gpu's/ them stupid frontier edition cards which would have actually made them a better deal for both the intended prosumer market and amd) because at clock parity the differences between all the fiji and vega variants is almost nothing (when the fury cards framebuffer dont get in the way) despite lopping off 12% of the shaders and 2 arch revisions.
@RavenPrecept yeah but the 290x did have more aib cards and they were mostly pretty good which helped.
@RavenPrecept I used 1 290x (aftermarket msi card but not the lightning one sadly) to heat mine, thing tops out at 1205mhz in the winter.
devilmikey00 I'd love to get a waterblock for one of those reference cards. power draw would probably go down a bit too haha
I just got a Vega 64 for 80 bucks and I’m hyped
How's it treating you?
@@scottd7222 it’s been good, I repasted it. And it runs cool and I overclocked it by a decent bit so I get fps at 1080 p ultra.
I just got mine in the mail from ebay for 80.
@ hell yeah that’s awesome, I repasted mine and I’m still running it on a pretty heavy overlock and undervolt.
Thanks for helping me troubleshoot my computer on instagram
No problem dooders :)
My car is frozen onto the driveway, at least I can see sub -30C overclocking at home.
hey dude, was actualy just doing this, its going to hit negative 40 on wednesday, i was thinking of bringing my full pc outside and pushing everything to its limits, im running a powercolor vega 64 and 1800x
Be careful with condensation. Unless you are are sticking a radiator or something outside, I would avoid sticking anything PC related outside.
HaloSam296 condensation isn't really a problem if it stays subzero as long as there is no temperature change. There will be no condensation while it is outside. When the condensation happens is when there is a change of temperature between the cooling substances and the rest of the PC. For example, LN2 is really subzero but if the rest of the PC is that temperature, it doesn't matter. It makes condensation when the PC is room temperature but the fluid is subzero. As long as segraph keeps it inside to thaw for a while before turning it on, he will have no condensation.
im pretty sure if the whole thing is outside it wouldnt really develop condensation, but ill tske extra precautions, thanks for the comment friend
Condensation is not the problem if all outside the problem is coldboot bugs. Memory and motherboards act very strange at sub zero temps. Good luck though cold bug won't kill hardware just very frustrating.
Cold air is very dense though, so it'll condense super easy. I guess you'd need to leave your PC outside so itself is as cold as the temperature outside so it's at equilibrium. Might need a fan on it to blast cold air on it to stop chips getting warm enough for condensation.
Timmy i would like to say i think that your a really reallly great youtuber you have a amazing personality and good when youtubers care about what they are doing and i thank you for being that way and also it gets cold there i lived in Canada for 5 years before moving to Tennessee because i had family there but thank you for the content it helps me with bad days to know i can come to your channel and sit down and watch some reliable content
Dang yo, nice to have such great words that's amazing. Good luck with what ever ails ya, things will look up
Radeon 7 has 1800+ mhz boost out of the box, gonna be gud
LORD OF FREEDOM but only 60 compute units 😬 hope it actually runs at 1800+ out of the box
1800MHz Boost so 1800 and under. Same as Vega 64 LC has 1750MHz.
@@ZAGAN-OZ It should be able to OC a bit more. Fury X to Vega 64 was a 28nm to 14nm change and that let Vega 64 to much higher clocks. Im hoping RVII OCs to 2ghz. Would be a sick card.
300W 😤 I like amd but a used 1080ti is a better deal
@@tireshredder4208 compute units makes it harder to get a higher clock, actually
Timmy Joe is like pc hardware from a more consumer perspective. I really love how you are using your environment
I feel like I'm doing a disservice by not water cooling my vega the numbers and stability are amazing. I just scared of doing the switch. The vega 64 is my frist graphic card
Great video, Timmy Joe. Been watching it for a year. Thanks for keeping it on RUclips. Warrantee ended on my Vega 64 so I stripped off the box cooler and threw on some better fans. Yup. you're right. It does reach some pretty good clock speeds once you change the cooler. Managed to inch past 1810 Mhz before it became fickle, black screening to the desk top. Also notice it runs cooler with a mV power bump and the memory turned up, 34c under load. Runs fast, smooth and efficient @1770 Mhz, memory @ 1100 Mhz+. Never seen it go over 40c. Gonna keep Vega64 for a while or till the gpu market drops those money hungry prices for new 8gb cards. Thanks for the video tips, bud.
I got my vega 64 clocked up to 1820mhz on 1100mv stable. Feelsgoodman
Thanks for this, it was me who tweeted at you for Vega 64 content and u did thank you so much!
Nice man! I've got a Asus ROG Strix 64. It is usually reasonably quiet, but I only get in the upper 1500s, pushing 1600, with undervolting, 50% non-hacked power limit, and tweaked fan / clock curves and 2 GHz memory (in Wattman - ditched GPU Tweak 2 that came with the card since Wattman actually worked better [had to put a couple exhaust case fans back on motherboard control rather than GPU control though]). I don't go further due to wanting stability in my gaming sessions, but I love to see people pushing them.
Monarch Black I’ve got the same card and see exactly the same results. I think I broke 1600 once... Should we bother upgrading to the LC edition? I think the VII might be out of my price range.
@@joshmcguffie5156 I was considering the VII, if the results looked good, but they don't really and you can't find the card anywhere anyway. Personally, I wouldn't upgrade from a normal 64 to a LC edition. I don't think it's worth the money to buy a whole new card to gain 10% performance.
i have gotten scores of around 8400 in timespy with just the water cooled edition of vega 64 at normal room temperatures, try lowering the voltage to around 1160mv it will allow the card to pull more power
That or if he needs that much voltage it's time for the registry mod to allow more power / amps in.
I just picked up a Vega 56 for 250 locally. Flashed to a 64 bios and OCed. Did way better then I thought it would got a 25% fps in one game, was pretty blown away
Love my Vega 64 sapphire nitro plus a air cooler that can actually handle the heat
That's what I have... such a nice card!
@@BigSchu22 I love it! Looks good doesn't get loud and can over clock like a beast!
@@beck320 Well i didn´t have much luck. Though mine manages to hit around 1640 MHz in games and around 1030 MHz for HBM2. I can get up to 1130 MHz, though depending of the game this creates errors above 70 degrees. 1080 MHz is stable overall, but creates small green pixel artefacts in RDR2 and rare crashes in Monster Hunter World. 1030 MHz is stable and creates no artefacts at all. Not a great overclock.
@@Koeras16 that's ashame :/ overclocking is half the fun
@@beck320 Well that how it goes. Though Sapphires Vega64 performs like a charm for 1080p. Bought it for 350 around a year ago.
Can only agree though. Had a lot of fun testing the boundaries of this card. It can even go up to 1670 MHz in games, though for over 300 Watts.
Need to do much better. With Canadain Cooling my Vega 64 with LC bios did 28.6K in FS and 8.6K in TS.
timmmy i cant belive you did this today. im gonna crank mine up too!!! tommorrow its gonna be -32c for me as well. it just so happens i have the same exact circumstances.
Vega Architecture is great! I wish it was just an easier way to unlock that power limit but I guess they didn't want people without a water block burning out their GPU lol.
I might try to block my Vega 56 and see what I can do.
"Not breaking any records today..." *proceeds to run v64 @ 1850mhz for 240w* Yeah bro. this is hero level tbh, lol
I been playing around with a 1050 ti I got recently that uses external power by Gigabyte. The core was underwhelming at only a 100 Mhz offset for a boost clock of 1860, but the memory, holy shit the memory! I got an offset of 996 Mhz! My memory is running at 4.5 GHz for an effective speed of 9 GHz! I've never got an over clock of that magnitude on anything in my life, and the temps never even hit 60 degrees.
Timmy needed the vega's warmth to keep him alive in this harsh canadian winter. Thank you amd for making such reliable space heaters.
How can anyone thumbs down Timmy Joe? Coolest PC channel on the tube!
6:34 "I'm not messing with the voltage, because I don't think it does anything", whaaaat???
MrLostGravity its fucked up
I have 2 LC Vega 64's and a prototype Vega card with LC and 16Gb of HBM2. I'm not privy to talk about the latter much. It isn't a 7nm card, so hold your enthusiasm. The short reply is that my LC Vega cards can easily do 1850Mhz. They don't sustain those clocks unless additional cooling is provided. Without additional cooling, I can sustain 1750Mhz. At at those clocks, and memory overclocked to 1100Mhz, I can match RTX 2080 benchmarks all day. Of course I don't have ray tracing or DLSS, but so what? The prototype card has only ever been used as a single card. The other two LC Vega 64's have been used in crossfire. Crossfire does not scale very well in all games, but when it does.....oh my. The performance is so far off the charts that it is ridiculous. Yes, power requirements for this setup is rather large. But I've got the gear, so I use it. It might be an issue for someone that is gaming 10hrs a day every day. But that isn't me. Even if it was, it isn't like it's going to cost you $1000 in electricity.
@Eric B You forgot which CPU Timmy is using, plus there was no claim about matching an OC 2080, the card no one is buying.
@Eric B You are a know-it-all who knows nothing you pick one part of a test and blather on with your limited knowledge you don't own a 2080 or anything like it yet you try to pass youself off as some kind of guru because you watch some YT videos or reviews on tech sites.
Was 16GB card a Frontier Edition?
@Eric B You would be surprised at what vega cards can do once you get them to sustain their boost clocks, a liquid cooled v64 with 1750mhz core and 1100mhz memory would be just a tiny bit slower than that vega vii amd showed off in everything but fallout 4 (fallout 4 is sensitive to all kindsa memory overclocking) which would put it in the stock rtx 2080 ballpark.
@Eric B i think he means his crossfired vegas match a 2080
I just got a Gigabyte RX Vega 56 Gaming OC last night... Haven't done any overclocking (not really sure if I will - I have bad luck when I do), but I've been playing around with undervolting. I'm impressed with how it takes to making voltage adjustments - got my temps down, which reduced the fan speeds - and also stabilized the clocks. It seems to like sitting at max boost all the time now (strangely, that's 1576Mhz - Gigabyte's web site lists 1501 for max boost clock) as opposed to bouncing the clocks madly up and down like they are a yo-yo. But looking at my Kill-a-watt meter - I can't say I see anything dramatic with reduced power consumption - seems to be about the same. I like what I'm seeing for frame rates and quality settings. So my impressions are when it's the right price, it's a good card esp. for people that enjoy tweaking out settings.
weird results, my reference sapphire vega 64 scores about the same 8100 on timespy, and higher on firestrike at 26k. ive undervolted and overclocked to 1682 core and 1120 memory. either the gain from my higher hbm2 overclock is massive or his card is actually only running at around 1550mhz. my card hovers around 1630mhz at 75 degrees, 50%+ power limit.
really enjoy your videos
I really enjoy your comment :)
Yeah UVing is important not increasing voltage in a normal non subzero testing. Here we are seeing clocks and CB scores but IRL max FPS is key. When you said trouble keeping max clocks at stock that is the known issue that 56/64 cards have; they throttle BC stock voltage is too high. The supply issue at launch was mainly due to one HBM supplier's die was lower and not even with the GPU die so cooler fitment became an issue.
Makes me want to start trolling ebay looking for a vega
Same lol
Do it
Got a Vega 56 today for $150 US, and after selling my RX 580 I technically I only paid about 40 bucks for the upgrade. Can't wait to tinker away.
The Vega 56 is a tinkerer's wet dream.
Herman got mine for $190 lucky bastards we are :)
When youre surpassing Radeon VII with Vega 64
You'd need to stick the CPU on a loop out the window for anything more than like 4.8ghz on haswell-e and broadwell-e tops out around 4.5 to 4.6 without chilled cooling.
On my vega 64 with stock bios running 1742mhz and 1140 on hbm my timespy graphics score is 8311. Something doesn't add up here.
This is with only +50 power as well.
Looking forward to that X99 review!! Been running a 5820k as my main since Jan of 2015, only just recently (like, two days ago) built up a 9600k (yes I know you hate it but I don't do content creation/rendering/etc so I don't need threads I need frequency/fps and it was cheaper than an 8600k) with a Prime Z390-A and RTX2060. The Haswell-E served me well for many years running a 4.5Ghz OC, it is still a quite viable platform performance-wise if you're not looking for balls-to-the-wall 4k Ultra-Max-Super-Duper Over-9000FPS type of gaming chops. I'm excited to see what you've done with the old girl!
Edit: BTW, I beat your graphics score on Time Spy with my 2060. 8135pts ;) Impressed with the little guy.
Vega64 is still a good card, I have one in my spare PC, doesn't overclock as well as the VII, that thing can haul ass when you are on water, talking 400mhz overclock on the core and 270hz on the ram. Almost 23% over stock boost speed!
Best part, it's aging well, still able to keep up in modern games.
Can you also undervolt it too or not when you Overclocked it?
If its like - 32 degrees outside, surely you want a massive air cooler blasting all that lovely heat into the room? Maximise its efficiency in another aspect of room heating? Win win! 😂 Great video! Love your stuff!
Woo! Computer Parts! TO THE EXTREEEEEEME!!!!
Why only 1060MHz on HBM2? You could get that to like 1150MHz if you tried.
I'm lucky, I get 1180 on mine....
Samsung here and can only hit 1030
X99 can still be fun to play with. Things to look out for; avoid beta BIOS with Spectre/Meltdown fix if you're benching, try to get 2400MHz or faster RAM that is matched so it can run at a command rate of 1 and tight tertiary timings. Disable RAM channel and bank training once your memory speed and settings are sorted, disable fast boot if using NVMe (messes with graphics drivers on boot up). Disable VTTd and all CPU virtualization including hardware snooping. Use the latest Intel IME and USB3 drivers so Windows 10 operates properly and fast. You may need to drop to PCIe 2.0 on some boards if pushing high BCLCK. That's the major ones coming to my head at the moment, I'm sure I'll think of others when I turn on my X99 system again, haha. Oh, I guess if you have Windows 10 Pro (any Windows Pro or server edition) you can lock pages in memory for a bit extra performance.
youtuber "not a apple fan" says vega likes undervolting more than more volts. idk man, I currently use a 1080ti, but really like vega stuff and hope to go navi soon.
Guys, remember he is using a red mod, to allow for 150% power. Thereby bypassing the power limit. While at the same time having Sub-Zero cooling solution.
Undervolt works on regular vega because you want the power spikes to be below the maximum amount of power allowed to the core. So in his case undervolt does not improve, but for day to day usage, undervolt is good.
I prefer wattman. Undervolting does work. Also hope you bumped up the memory.
Undervolt works, while you're being power/thermal restricted. But if it's about boosting the clocks as high as possible, on a subzero cooler the undervolt will just set clocks lower.
Why not bump up the voltage on the core? Why would you think it won't help?
I got a Ventus RTX 2060 for $315 ordered it on Newegg 8 days ago and had it for 4 days so far and I love it. Upgraded from a RX 480 4Gb.
nice deal for 315$ but in my opinion not really worth it to spend this much for only 50% more performance
I am getting a radeon 7 for sure... I just need a tight contained case, like maybe a fridge or something and hook that thing to a chiller. It will smash 1900MHz most likely at 7nm.
If it's -32 degrees why not bring the whole PC outside?
You always make some of the best (most fun to watch) overclocking vids. RE2 benchmarks with the OCd Vega 64 would be nice...
I've just got one XFX Vega 64 used card for 230EUR, and the best thing it that with 60FPS , FreeSync monitor , power is just about 80W !!!! man that is great, and temp is about 50 to 60 c , just great!
I love what you have done here in this video, but you really need to dial it in more. Can't just crank the core clock and expect it pump out the frames. Your gpu score is pretty much what a standard vega 64 air cooled can do undervolted. Mine does 8107 gpu score at 1670mhz air cooled. On an LC bios you have so much more head room!!! Look in to OverdriveNtool for overclocking instead of using wattman. Disable all the Pstates except P7 for core and P3 on the hbm and this will really lock in your true stable clocks :)
Keep it up!!!
I got my sapphire nitro+ rx vega 64 undervolted/overclocked to 1715mhz core @ 1065mV and 1120mhz memory @ 951mV @ +50% power on air @ 100% fan speed for gaming purposes all stable. While gaming the core is actually 1650mhz average. This gained me 8-15 more FPS @ 4K in all my games. The hottest I’ve seen it get is 70c and I play in 4K max settings 60FPS. Average power consumption is around 300W.
Recently bought 2nd hand Vega64 LC. Love it ,also I got a really good one. ~1820-1895mhz/1130mhz in time spy with 50% power limit , 8730 score. Getting close to Radeon VII performance :)
Jesus... that must be pulling 600W. I just got a Red Devil 64 myself. I'll be happy if I can hit a solid 1700/1100 with a LC bios and some tweaking.
600W?!?! Wowzers! Ya, not really worth it, but good on you for the overall results. 👍🏻
Hello @Timmy Joe PC Tech 😀
I put my Vega 56 in the water and now I have excellent temperatures under load on the 33 to 42c gpu.
I am planning to do an aggressive overclock based on your sample.
Could you ask me any other questions?
What bios did you use on your card?
What log file did you use "vega morepower" on your card?
I tried to put Vega 64 aios bios on my card and it really hits 1750mhz, but every 5 seconds it downclocks to less than 1000mhz on the gpu no matter what I do.
I got 1700mhz on the 1.2v gpu and 1100mhz on the 1v hbm2, with Vega64 bios and editing the registry for 150% morepower.
But I'm fascinated by the possibility of obtaining 1800mhz.
Would you help me?
Vega 64 warmed up Canada by 11c
:D
I had to install a passive battery charger on my car last week because it wouldn't start in the last cold snap. Works great now.
Wind chills got to -60*F here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Also you look good in red flannel. Totally an up north attire, I have many blue flannel jackets myself lol
my hyper 212 finally met it match and thats the i7 990x and my cpu hit 84c while my room was 74f
Jitter mod nuclear?
Screw all that fancy work to get it cold. I got my rig in my garage and it's -29 here today. Im gonna have some fun over clocking with that later!
Enjoying my vega 64 since launch at MSRP (+free games and freesync discount) :) Love this card :)
Hey Timmy, I just bought a Vega 64, was thinking of running the Morpheus, don't want to add in water cooling, is that mod worth it or just stick to the regular single blower? Also is it ideal to take the card apart and redo the thermal pads and paste?
Did you hook it up to a kilowatt? I'm curious as to how much 0degrees lowers the power draw.
What is upt with the sound? Different than normal.
Dat face zoom TJ. Priceless. Keep it up with those PEWDER PARTZ!!
Heck yeah thanks for the link on the power play edit. Been wanting a lil more juice out my gigabyte vega64 and it did just that got the clocks up more and gave me 8-10fps more avg fps hah
So when using Wattman if you want the Vega64 to stay at its constant max freq left click the state blocks IE: State 0 state 1 state 2 etc. and on state 7 you left click the state box and make it both the min and max so that it won't fluctuate between the other frequency ranges. The more you know.
Picked up a reference Vega 56 when the prices dipped on the Used market for i think $140? idr, but holy moly is the stock blower not enough. It was shooting down to ~1,100MHz in some games and up to ~1280 in other games while also being hot and loud. Undervolted got it to 1250-1420 i think (don't remember exactly) but still hot and loud... So i put Liquid Metal and cut the bracket to let air through :-) then flashed 64 Bios. So with everything now it sits at 1520-1640 with the blower fan @2850rpm max and @76-79c (room is 70-72F)
Don't put the LC bios on the non-LC cards. It introduces consistent stutter on the more recent driver versions.
Wanted vega so bad like 9 months ago but ended up buying a new system a ryzen 5 2600 b350 tomahawk and 16gb 3000mhz ram with a rx 580 and 1080p 144hz freesync monitor. Wanted to up grade from my I5 3570k and 1060. This was before nvidia was allowed to use freesync and I'm still happy with the decision. Just wish I waited but you can wait forever for better deals.
Can you do the same thing with r9 295x2?
#ripjay #ripGN
Edit: Thanks for the ❤, keep making awesome content!
1 Question that was a cold jitter and not a stutter right? :D
Ahh, so the outside temperature was -32℉. Today, where I live, it was 44.9℃ outside. The old fashioned fahrenheit scale equivalent is 113º. I couldn't imagine which is worse, way too hot or way too cold.
TJ if u find a Cooler Master Masterbox elite 5 RGB try to mod it for better airflow since i dotn know what to do besides removing the front panel
Crossfire Vega 56 is pretty cool, it don't get that cold down here.
I've bought cheap fury X in 2016 (250$) and it just died with artifacts in november 2018. I can buy cheap vega 64 now but not sure because I want gpu that will survive for 4-6 years but not only 2 years. So should I buy this 200 watt monster or wait Navi and bla bla bla this year?
Good Job Timmy, boy them temp are just sweet.
my waterblock arrived today. Now i just got to find some thermal pads and im ready to cool this beast. then we will see what this vega 64 can do :) so ironic you got you card and did this video at the same time as i felt ebay prices got sweet.
Timmy Joe!!! I just bought a "Stop staring at my GPUs" shirt
PS
Hopefully I see more Tim and Eric references :)
i flashed the liquid bios as well, and put it under water as well, but i am having an FPS drop bug,
apparently it is due to the drivers after 19.1.1, so i rolled back and the issue disappeared, anyone have any idea on a fix for this?
How can I make my Vega 64 go past +50% power?
Feels like a missed opportunity not benchmarking the V64 at 1850 MHz vs reference V64 clocks vs R7 vs 5700 XT
Great video with excellent results. My Strix Vega 64 with watercooling only gets around 1620Mhz @1130v. I'm just about to look at the video in your description about the power play tables, hopefully that gets me some love.
For anyone reading that has a Asus Strix Vega 64 OC, have you flashed the LC bios on it? The Strix don't have reference boards so I'm not sure if I can and I can't find any info on it.
I would love to see if the scores would benefit from a power limit higher than 150% i have seen users push as high as 242%
1800+ holaayy... how much did you get on the stock cooler?
@Timmy Joe PC Tech you need to push your card more :D
my vega 56 with vega 64 bios on air, with memory set to 1100, gpu@ 1.19V p7 set to 1820, resulting in 1755MHz max boost gets 26K graphics score in firestrike.
Maybe reduce the voltage?
How much power are you using ?
Can you upload your Config?
it's nowhere near that cold over here as it is over there, but at 26f, and a fan, i could push my rig a tad further via air cooling
can we get a part 2 with benchmarks when the radeon 7 comes out
Thanks for putting this up.
Meanwhile here in San Diego. We're all cheering when we get a 50° night. Just to push our clocks.
stupid question:::: how do you make msi afterburner not to conflict with radeon wattman????
That's my question too.
Yo Timmy, lovely Telecaster of yours. What model is it and for how long have you had it?
It's a fake ha, it's a telecaster copy that I put all fender american standard hardware in and I artificially made it look road warn and put a american standard decal on the headstock. It was a project that I've been modding over and over for like 5, 6 years now? I do have a Gibson Les Paul Studio and a Ephiphone dot semi hollow body though. :) thanks for askin
@@TimmyJoePCTech Oh man, thats wonderfull. I dont know too many youtubers that are actually into rock/metal music. Only Elric from TOT as far as I know. What amp do you have, or maybe amps? I guess with those lovely guitars. I got myself a nice deal on a pretty decent deal on Epiphone LP standard pro and the new line of Marshall valve amps, I got the DSL15C. Would love to talk to you about some of it, even tho I have been playing for only 2 years now. Aaaanyway, dont you have/plan to have a Discord server of some sort?
If you try overclocking your CPU again with the super cold Canadian winter wasteland. Use a watercooler like you did with the Vega. Also get a small heating pad and put the PC on top of it and a lot of thermal insulation around the socket. Just a idea. I dont know if it would work.
#Butter of the Butter
Vega 64 optimal settings
Core Clock:1685mhz (1080mv)
Memory Clock: 960mhz
Fan curve: passive aggressive power %: All the way.
After two months worth of benchmarks and research and second and third opinions.
In future use G13+ coolant at 70:30 with distilled water. It will work great at that temp
#ripjay
My Vega 56 does 1702 on air man around 60c ish it's freezing out here tho. Wish I had a way to put a rad on it and see what I could do with it
That's a reference card? Hmm that's interesting considering Sapphires are 399 on newegg with RE 2, Devil may cry 5 and division 2. Although, I Think i'm going to wait for the Radeon 7. Subbed btw.