I have always thought that Hikoki is the second favourite brand of Makita fans, and Makita the second favourite brand of Hikoki fans. I would like you to make a review of the Makita oil impact driver and compare it to the strandard ones. I have 8 impact drivers and the oil impact is my top favourite one.
Great review! One of the things I like about Hikoki/Hitachi is that they seem to be a bit more original in their thinking. The Multivolt platform has been around for a few years now but it’s taken other brands a while to catch up. the same goes for their nailers; Milwaukee has a good framing nailer now but it took them a long time to catch up and they basically copied Hikoki but made a few refinements. That said, I’d like to see Hikoki make some minor updates.
Love the triple hammer! Have three in the shop. All my Multivolt tools kick serious butt man. I really hope Hikoki (Metabo HPT here in NA) decide to bring the entire line that they offer in Japan to the U.S. It’s somewhat limited here but if you look at what is offered in Japan and other Asian countries, they have an extensive lineup that really competes with team yellow and teal.
18 to 36v batteries are the best, i wish makita would have gone that route with their 40v max batteries... 21700 cells seem to shine most in continous high load applications like long thick screws or in an angle grinder. an AvE video on the triple hammer would be cool i guess. Edit: i knew the 18v makita would win in the end ^^
I use Bosch and Hikoki tools, Hikoki stuff are my site tools, larger selection and can beat on them more. Bosch I use for service work and small residential jobs.
10 years ago I bought a 400e hitachi, after two weeks and third hitachi I took my money back and bought a makita drill for 175e which worked for 4 years until the second gear broke after very heavy duty use.
Nice Video! I've been using my Makita Lxt 18v stuff since it came out back in 2005 its been awesome . I can see the value of having the larger 21700 cell 40v battery for certain large high load tools like chainsaws and chopsaws,weedeaters lawnmowers. I don't want a heavier impact or drill though. If we ever get this stuff in the USA which i assume we will someday.
Triple hammer is more for speed, but loses out on torque. The hammers travel less distance on the triple design and regular dual hammers get more impact hit due to longer travel time that builds momentum. That's way hikoki struggled on the bigger fasteners. It's more of a gimmick.
Cheers for your awesome videos just found your channel and love to listen to that NZ accent after living half a year in beautiful Wairarapa! As a German I'm just happy that you didn't need to draw a quadruple hammer 😬 having seen you'd pick the 18v makita over the Milwaukee I'll recommend the Bosch GDX 18v-200 C which is also very smooth and combines 1/2 inch socket and 1/4 inch hex, especially using procore batteries. Still probably no chance against Milwaukee when it comes to brutal strength.
Welcome aboard! I have tried several Bosch impacts including the one you mention... but they are just not up to it when it comes to other leading brands. On paper all of these brands would beat that Bosch (although I know you can't trust the numbers.) I purchased the GDR18V-EC when it was the leading Bosch and was disappointed with almost every aspect of it. That said I may try Bosch again in the future. Thanks for watching.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL thanks for your reply first of all! The 18v-EC (also the GDX version) is a lot weaker than the new model which actually cracked 300 nm with the new procore battery (even though it's named 200 C). But if you have tested it, too bad for me :D definetely believe you that it doesn't have a chance against the Milwaukee (or DeWalt - not sure if they live as long though). I just ordered two adapters to be able using the bosch batteries for Makita and Milwaukee. Hope it works :)
Outstanding and fairly comprehensive review! I tried, and wanted to like the 18 volt version, of the ‘Triple Hammer,’ and then I compared both my Makita 3 speed, and single speed, brushless Impacts, to the Metabo/ HPT, and decided to send the Triple Hammer back. Quality Control is an issue with the Triple Hammer, as you eluded to with the nose cone and boot. I was hoping you would touch upon the insipid light and the weird little trapezoid like lens cover. I noticed a very similar result from yours, albeit not with as large of fasteners. I think the ‘power mode’ kicks in with more of the triple hammer effect? I have seen it fail on some larger fasteners on other RUclips channels. ‘DrDecks’ loves them, and I think the triple hammers would be great on decks and stuff. It is just hard to beat Makita. I have tried them all, and always come back to Makita. However, I do like my M18 Surge impact driver. Smooth, and much quieter. I tend to use it in confined spaces, and in sensitive job environments. Great review. Wish I could send you a battery. It would probably cost a fortune to ship !!! Thanks
@@shaquedelilicss7849 No, European Metabo uses the CAS system. They are not interchangeable, but the american metabo hpt does fit the hitachi as they are the same brand.
@@paaksolutions8283 I’ll check your website out when I’m buying my next tools but I’m kinda bummed out. Their marketing is really basic. Not what I would expect from a major brand. They are really behind compared to Dewalt, Milwaukee and Makita. Hikoki promised back in late 2019 that they were going to really update their line up. I was hoping in 2021-22, they’d be announcing new products but they haven’t really. I want a plunge/track saw. Now for some of the products, I need to look at alternative products. So I might have to switch to Makita. At least with Makita I can expect continued investment in their line up. Hikoki are still where they were at the start of 2020 and with no reassurances of what’s in the pipeline.
My tools consist of 70% Makita and 30% Hikoki. I'm seriously thinking about selling my Makita and replacing with Hikoki. The build quality of Hikoki is what Makita used to be many years ago. I feel the quality of Makita has dropped over recent years.
I will say that my Multivolt triple hammer does wake up some with the 4.0 ah 21700 cell battery. Maybe that would have made it keep speed better with the big timber screws.
With higher voltage tools science is simple. Higher the potential (voltage) - lower the current. Ohms law :) Current is what making the motor windings, wiring loom and control circuits to heat up. Less heat, longer life of them parts.
6 years hikoki warranty vs makita 5 years. Hikoki is near impossible to get parts whereas makita is easy to get parts. Hikoki have the ac adapter available which if needed, will allow a user to work non stop throughout the day and also has a fan on the battery adapter.
I love the Hikoki TH Impact... Not the greatest for the HUGE fasteners though. But a nice unit that I'd take over the Makita any day personally. I just don't like Makita all that much.
The 18v Half inch impact with a hex adapter is my solution. THe hex driver is the best for drivign various construction screws. It doesnt hit as gnarly in reverse, cuz it dont bust the nuts efficiently. Also,. the 36v needs to bee in full nut fucker mode to rock and roll 100%. The screw mode is a assembly mode, i think. It stops driving before it impacts. I love my Metabo stuff, hidden gems in the tool world for sure. The flexibility of being able to swap 36v and 18v batteries is really nice. Also, none of my 2 36v batteries and non of my 3 amp hour 18v battery packs have died and left me waiting for charging. The half inch Metabo impact is the way to go if you find yourself requiring more nut busting/larger boilt driving force. The Half inch 18v impact with also drive the Shiznit out of deck screws and the like, with the dewalt half inch to quarte hex adapter. Basically turns any type of fastener into a self tapping screw. So far I have had metabo cordless tools for about 10 years, none of their tools have failed in cheap ways nor have I had issues with battery fitment or battery life. I'd say the 36v stuff is rather overkill for someone just working ontheir home. But I do love being able to drive 6inch screws faster than all my other Guy friends. I get all those cool man card frequent badass points. lmao but the 36v stuff, though worth the cash, isnt absolutely REQUIRED in any way. the 18v stuff will suit most medium duty users just fine. WOOO latenight rambling comments Heckins Yeah!!
I've never had a Makita that lasted, got three new drills in warranty and the thing still died, was when brushless just came out and mine was brushed but I hardly ever used it for much more than 8mm Dynabolts etx
This impact driver have 2 models wh36da 180nm and wh36db 220nm. The trible hammer is smooth and fast because the short hammer. The makita is long hammer thats why it can hit harder. The makita 40v is at another platform cannot exchange to 18v. The hikoki is more convenient and their 36v have corded adapter.
I picked this up as a kit today because it amounted to a great deal on the batteries and the actually informative charger. As you may know, the charger and battery included with the nailers leave a lot to be desired in the “is it even working?” department. Look, there’s no competition. The HiTabo has infinitely more noticeable runout (although nowhere as bad as the particular Festool I had), the electronic whine is ear piercing, the internal build quality and parts (of course I took it apart) is not in the same league, the switch is junk (although functionally good) and the Makita has a way stronger fan. That said, it’s really smooth, the handle feels good, I personally like the side selector (although, the selector over the trigger on the Makita is tops), it’s overall good vs shit, etc. I do like it enough that I may give their latest impact a spin. I’m way more interested in their new 18 gauge, of course. Boy did they make me forget about the FN001G in a hurry. I looked at some of the other 36v HiTabo tools since they were on sale for dirt cheap (recip was $99 usd, 7-1/4 was $99, drill kit was $179) but they all seemed pretty chintzy, to be honest. There’s a reason why they market the nailers separate from their corded and cordless power tool range. You can’t even find the nailers as a bare tool, usually. There may be a sku, a upc and an ean, but there certainly ain’t no product on the shelf.
I bought the 40v kit and very happy with all the tools other than the impact its ok but like you I prefer the 171 they should have made the 40v alot faster that way the bulk doesn't matter as much
Makita feature mode are great see how beautiful finish for sinking screws in. Power for me each trade brand 18v impact driver will enough for everyone. I personal still reckon makita 18v dtd 171 does job well with all the feature mode plus lighter and compact. 40V just released I believe makita will have long time to get improve.
The results kinda make sense. A triple hammer will have the edge in any light to light medium duty situation, since it simply delivers a lot more impacts per revolution. But it will drop performance exponentially with every increase in load, since those impacts will be a lot weaker than on a dual hammer setup. That fact will ultimately limit the triple hammer impact driver severely in its maximum load capability opposed to a dual hammer driver with aproximately the same horsepower under the hood.
@@Patrick-857 DeWalt is definitely good enough. The difference in power is a lot smaller than most assume, but for me, I love the colour, build quality and consistency of Makita. Everyone I’ve met so far, who’s had decent experience on both sets of tools always recommend Makita. In some cases Dewalt tools are more powerful I believe, but nothing beats the general quality of Makita in my opinion.
love this...makita is 36Vx4Ah=144Wh and Hikoki is 36Vx2.5Ah=90Wh. So that could be a reason. Maybe try again with the Hikoki 4Ah battery? Then it would be fair
So you think time measurements = more power? I can test the Makita now with a 2.5Ah battery... and it will beat the Hikoki even more ruclips.net/video/5I1O_0rj-2U/видео.html&pbjreload=101
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Hi there, the thing is there is a load capacity on batteries. When you have a bigger capacity, you can bear more loads(for longer). Not just in total time, but in every drive. So I'm curious to see that compared. Please test it and let me know. I really would like to know if it makes any difference.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Just watched the other video, it's mindblowing because it barely makes any sense. With Hikoki the 4Ah battery gave more power...
The 40v Makita is nice , but it's Not what I thought it would be , I just Expected alot more Raw Power because its 40 volts , I mean at this point I'll just stick with my 18v Makita , but I wish they could find a way to upgrade their 18v batteries , they Screwed themselves with their LTX X2 tools , by putting the batteries so close together, they didn't leave room for a bigger upgraded battery, and that's the reason in my opinion why they had to come out with this whole new line , just so they could have upgraded batteries.....👍🛠🖖
There is a lot more to the battery saga than that,,,www.jlconline.com/products-tools/power-tools/milwaukee-claims-exclusive-right-to-make-lithium-ion-tools_o
All I know is that this voltage race is a marketing wank for me. Great review, but I'm sticking with my latest gen Makita (XDT16 in the States) 18v tool. On the job I don't think I've ever set it beyond power setting 3 (of 4) and you still gotta' pay close attention or you'll drive that 3 inch screw straight through the material. Great review but I got plenty of power and "volts" at the moment to consider either of these. lol
I think some of the change to higher voltage is to try and get around paying Milwaukee royalties for the 18v batteries. That's right everyone has to pay Milwaukee as they managed to get a retrospective patent on 18v Lithium-ion batteries. That's another reason Makita never made larger batteries as the higher draw batteries are the patent problem.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Hmmm. That's an interesting perspective but really hard to believe. The voltage rating is based on the nominal voltage of the cells used (and how they are connected). Most round it up to 20v (in an 18v pack) while Makita was more conservative (and honest) and used 18v for their packs. I don't know how you can patent the additive voltage of a pack of batteries. Did you see an article on this?
@@mixpick138 I was shocked and stunned when I found out as I thought it was too fundamental to patent. It is on batteries drawing 20amps+ I will find an article for you.
Hey, you should really do a shootout between the variety of Hikoki 36v metal cutting circular saws and the ones Makita has made available for the XGT line. 🤗
@@cheveresalvi They have, I believe, 1 or 2 36v metal saws available in Japan and either the UK or parts of Europe since late 2019/early 2020. Available nowhere else in typical HiKoki/Metoki HIV fashion. They’re like Bosch, except every country gets to have their own set of tools that no one else gets. Unlike Makita where it’s usually stuff that’s VERY unique to the region, HiKoki has got ubiquitous products that all of us need stuck in one location.
@@cheveresalvi Well, I’ll be. They “have” (will eventually) a variable speed die grinder. 18v and not 36v. Regardless, the kicker is that they’re releasing it on both sides of the Atlantic, simultaneously. It was announced before the bare tool version of their new 2” 18 gauge which hasn’t surfaced months after the kit version. So, we’ll see it in 2022? I’m just impressed that they’re releasing something I want from them here.
Don’t look but you can get a HiKOKI 377314 for the metal saw or buy both as the CD3605DFA and it’s a 36v cordless metal cutting sidewinder that converts into a cold cutting chop saw. This is a killer product but I guess Lowes and Menards won’t buy it and that’s what Hikoki thinks of my country….
@@robertrada4783 yeah they have that variable speed die grinder in Australia too. In slide or paddle switch. I love that thing! Oh wow thanks for the heads up! I just saw it's a large blade compared to the other cordless saws. I want it bad now !
Im using a Metabo HPT WH36DB and a Makita DTD171. I bought the Metabo one off Ebay because I got it for cheap with two batteries (4Ah ones). I see no difference in power in it, whether im using the smaller BSL36A18 or the larger BSL36B18 batteries. Its definitely more powerful than the Makita DTD171 though. Also has the same issue with balance as the XGT one, when using with larger batteries.
Can you really patent these hammer approaches.. I really doubt that Hitachi can get a patent to the tristroke, as then you can patenthumping overall techapproach like there is no tomorrow. just as the 2 strokes or if somebody wanna make 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 etc stroke tools. The patent is likely deeper than the single number of strokes of the anvil.(I reckon that aspect is open for everybody)
Milwaukee have a patent on the amount of current an 18v battery can put out. That's even more bizarre, and the reason Milwaukee 18v tools are more powerful, and a driving factor in most other tool companies using different voltages now.
The continuous run time would be the tools duty cycle. Lots of tools have a rated duty cycle, usually rated as a percentage. Eg a 100% duty cycle tool should theoretically be able to run indefinitely at full power. 50% duty cycle can only work half the time at full power before needing to cool down. Welding equipment normally has a duty cycle rating
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Must be that the makitas faster at driving heavy screws due to more momentum in the hammers, whilst the hikoki has 3 hammers each with less momentum but are hitting at a faster rate resulting in higher speed but less power
My brother just bought the 40v Makita because he likes to one up on people . to be fair he has other 40v stuff but I only have 18v and I also prefer my 172 impact over his 40v because of its lightness and weight distrubution . There are advantages to the 40v but not enough especially if youre using it all the time. I have a ten year old brushed impact that is slow and weedy compared to my 172 but if I'm using two kinds of screw I often set up one for one type and the other for the other. The problem is I'm now spoiled and the old impact is just too slow. Mybe its time to retire the old boy to become my "around the house" impact for those occasional home repair and get an upgrade for work
Greetings, could anyone clarify to the noob that I am the MultiVolt practical benefits ? I am going to take the example of similarly looking Impact wrenches WH18DBDL2 and WH36DBW2. Both have very similar torques (207 and 210 N.m, respectively). I am sure there is more to just looking at theoretical torque values...Any explanation of the difference in practical terms between the two would be much appreciated. Thanks !
I don't understand why everyone can't do the same chuck as dewalt. Quick insert is great but I also like having a quick release. Hard to live without when your used to it. Sucks cuz makita amd red make better over all impact but the collet is lacking.
That's a bit odd, good video. Milwaukee's high output line 3ah does perform better than 6.0 high output. My comment was regarding the two different brands, hikoki versus Makita, there's no question that the 21700 is a better platform, Tesla moved from 18650 to 21700, higher capacity cells. I don't think Makita and metabo/hikoki use the same brand 21700 and I'm sure their technology is a bit different drawing from their batteries. That was a good video, I'm baffled that they were running higher RPMs on both angle grinder and circular saw with the 18650 packs. Communication between the tool and battery are very important and can make or break the advantage possibilities I got the XDT 16, great tool but I always wanted the triple hammer and we do not have the 40 volt line Makita in the United States, next best thing was the metabo 36 volt platform, hence the reason watching your video. The 4.0 batteries come with the kit in the United states, it's crazy how they provide different items for sale in different countries, like the video I said you would have to order the 4.0 from another area, the reason you didn't have one to compare in the video. I ordered one, I'll have it tomorrow, were you able to acquire the 4.0 battery from hikoki to revisit the test between Makita and metabo/hikoki impact driver. 18650s have been around and used for quite some time, but the 21700s are going to be the new normal, 18650 cell packs will eventually phase out in my opinion
I'm stopping at 10 minutes after you explaining hikoki's triple contact hammer point opposed to two hammers rotating, lifting and striking. The longer screws and or bolts go in a lot faster with the makita. My thoughts are the hikoki may not damage the material the screws and bolts drive into. The Milwaukee is very robust and I have witnessed material been split because it been too aggressive. The hikoki seems to be designed not to damage, split wood or whatever the screws are driven into. I always pre drill. Setting form work for concreting the carpenter ran in screws which some we couldn't remove because they were only driven in with impact driver. Its interesting after all these years festool brought out an impact driver.
Personally, I think that test result where it just slows down or stops is a fault of the 18650’s, it can’t draw anymore current at that point. That’s why I was curious about the 21700 Milwaukee batteries but it wouldn’t have had a clear difference, if hikoki made a 21700 it might well make a significant difference in that one test. Just my theory. If you were ADD like me I would rig a adapter between the battery and put a clamp meter on the wires and see if it’s maxing out the current drain spec of those batteries. I suppose it could just be the current Max of the 2.5ah but doesn’t seem as likely.
The 8ah hikoki battery uses 21700 cells. Hikoki liek makita as well makes two batteires for their 36v and 40v batterys the lower amp for both brands uses 18650 and the bigger ones they bake are 21700 cells.
Everything else being equal, with the only difference being the amount of hammers and anvils, a triple hammer should hammer faster due to the distance between hammer and anvil. Though, there's no real way to test this, as there's no impact gun that has interchangeable parts. Same goes for the newer oil filled drivers, there's no way to actually compare the tech without a common base driver with an interchangeable impact set; and again, for an accurate test, everything else has to be equal in the impact set, like spring tension, hammer and anvil geometry, etc. In theory, oil filled and more hammers should be better, but we'll probably never see an apples to apples test of the designs until someone manufactures their own that goes on the end of a standard drill.
@@brettwalkom948 Reread the original comment, carefully, I don't think you quite understand what's being said. Also on a 9 month old comment that has minimal interaction, you come up with a reply and it immediately has a like on it? Congratulations on liking your own comments.
@@jakesnyder2667 haha alot of assumptions there.. All I'm saying is you're making it to complicated.. What I said applies to anything 40v vs 18 air vs electric, no matter how old the test. All these videos are doing is showing the differences
I don’t think, the power is most important. How it feels and you can control the impact driver. I prefer makita, got the old dtd152, my first still going strong. The simple butt really nice in hand dtd153. And off course the dtd171. I am a woodworker outside. And I have working buddies, they have hikoki (stupid name btw) (prefer hitachi) and dewalt. and we are always making fun off each other, with my brand is de best. Butt yeah for al day work just driving in normal size screws. My dtd171 and dtd153 are just the best. Dewalt is losing there game, and to bulkie impact drivers. Hitachi platform here in the Netherlands, not big enough. Like the feel to it tho, butt dewalt was really good, 8years ago, and there track saw, and jigsaw just are the worst.
You are yet another person who doesn't understand the setting lights on this impact driver. Thankfully they have changed it for the new model. Maybe you will understand that one.
2nd tool that I now own from Hikoki. Iam a huge Metabo fanboy and all the tools I own are just awesome. I like the Hikoki but that left/right selector is pure garbage that is always getting in contact with my thumb and just feels awkward to use. Also the trigger feels tiny compared to the Hikoki blowergun RA 18DA that I really like . In terms of ergonomics Metabo wins 100% all the way. How can you design such a shit selector? And that from a Japanese brand. Since those two brands are owned by the same company they sure could just use the Metabo grip mould and I would be happy. Could you test the Metabo SSD 18 LTX impact driver? We used that to build a terrace roofing and that thing was pure nuts. Might make a comparison video with those two in the future.
What's with using 2 hands at the same time? One of them is always going to be weaker/stronger more/less dextrous....sorry but you completely compromised the validity of this vid
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALAlternate hands? Would you or I ever do that on a job site, let alone an important install? No....You lost me when you drilled down with your left hand and reversed it out with your right hand and then said "well that worked better" ....take my advice, the 2 handed trick discredits your vid....and BTW no other quality tool reviewer I've seen does it either, cheers
@@evermore8888 Lot of stuff tool reviewers do would never be done on a job site. Moot point. The accuracy of every test done by hand is going to be in question. It’s why some reviewers make jigs to remove the human equation in testing. However, T&S swapping hands for a ‘live’ side by side is still completely valid, and barring any deliberate action on his part will minimize skewed results. As for the credible reviewer argument. Most tool reviewers aren’t credible, they’re biased as hell. Huge aspect of that being sponsorships and wanting free review samples. T&S I would regard as one of the credible reviewers, if imperfect.
I've done it so many times dude. Because you haven't watched the vids doesn't mean I haven't done it. But to save you time, the makita 2.5Ah beats the hikoki 2.5 more than the Makita 4 does.
Ofcourse Makita wins… you are all about makita dude and have a sponsorship. 99 % is all makita content. All that makita giveaways and so on. Love your channel but when makita is in the title than makita is ofcourse the best so pls. Like the Hikoki plunge router. Makita does not have one so Hikoki wins of ourselves. Seems weird
Thx for your time dude and lightning speed respond. When looking at your content it just is so much makita stuff on your channel. The 40v line up seems really good but i just cant fall in love with them. Sry if i might have been some what being an asshole but that's just me. Short question.: do you you recommend the hikoki 36 volt router? I would order it from japan. Greetings from austria from the land of kangaroos..... Maybe im just not impressed from Hikoki that what i expected.. Sry dude Peace
I did a full review on it. And just reviewed the Milwaukee one and quickly compared the 2. Both eat batteries but work fine. Hikoki is more compact and better oriented.
The Makita 40v VS The Milwaukee 18v ruclips.net/video/uZGTAHNUuus/видео.html
I have always thought that Hikoki is the second favourite brand of Makita fans, and Makita the second favourite brand of Hikoki fans.
I would like you to make a review of the Makita oil impact driver and compare it to the strandard ones. I have 8 impact drivers and the oil impact is my top favourite one.
Is it quieter than the surge?
@@Fee.1 Yes, the Makita Oil Impact is quieter than the Milwaukee Surge but not as powerful.
As a Makita fan, can confirm that Hikoki would be my second choice.
Great review! One of the things I like about Hikoki/Hitachi is that they seem to be a bit more original in their thinking. The Multivolt platform has been around for a few years now but it’s taken other brands a while to catch up. the same goes for their nailers; Milwaukee has a good framing nailer now but it took them a long time to catch up and they basically copied Hikoki but made a few refinements. That said, I’d like to see Hikoki make some minor updates.
I think all the modern tools are good quality, really only a matter of battery platform or personal choice
Love the triple hammer! Have three in the shop. All my Multivolt tools kick serious butt man. I really hope Hikoki (Metabo HPT here in NA) decide to bring the entire line that they offer in Japan to the U.S. It’s somewhat limited here but if you look at what is offered in Japan and other Asian countries, they have an extensive lineup that really competes with team yellow and teal.
Yea look really good but def more an a Japan product witch sucks. Wish they went with hikoi name over here.
18 to 36v batteries are the best, i wish makita would have gone that route with their 40v max batteries... 21700 cells seem to shine most in continous high load applications like long thick screws or in an angle grinder. an AvE video on the triple hammer would be cool i guess.
Edit: i knew the 18v makita would win in the end ^^
Great review mate👍
Happy with hikoki purchase as most of my work is driving 3" screws. Also got impact and drill for less than 1 40volt Makita
I use Bosch and Hikoki tools, Hikoki stuff are my site tools, larger selection and can beat on them more.
Bosch I use for service work and small residential jobs.
10 years ago I bought a 400e hitachi, after two weeks and third hitachi I took my money back and bought a makita drill for 175e which worked for 4 years until the second gear broke after very heavy duty use.
Nice Video! I've been using my Makita Lxt 18v stuff since it came out back in 2005 its been awesome . I can see the value of having the larger 21700 cell 40v battery for certain large high load tools like chainsaws and chopsaws,weedeaters lawnmowers. I don't want a heavier impact or drill though. If we ever get this stuff in the USA which i assume we will someday.
Triple hammer is more for speed, but loses out on torque. The hammers travel less distance on the triple design and regular dual hammers get more impact hit due to longer travel time that builds momentum. That's way hikoki struggled on the bigger fasteners. It's more of a gimmick.
I think it has more to do with the higher ah battery
"Most importantly, glow in the dark bumper ring" hahaha. How could we let any of the other details throw us off with such an advanced feature as such.
Cheers for your awesome videos just found your channel and love to listen to that NZ accent after living half a year in beautiful Wairarapa! As a German I'm just happy that you didn't need to draw a quadruple hammer 😬 having seen you'd pick the 18v makita over the Milwaukee I'll recommend the Bosch GDX 18v-200 C which is also very smooth and combines 1/2 inch socket and 1/4 inch hex, especially using procore batteries. Still probably no chance against Milwaukee when it comes to brutal strength.
Welcome aboard! I have tried several Bosch impacts including the one you mention... but they are just not up to it when it comes to other leading brands. On paper all of these brands would beat that Bosch (although I know you can't trust the numbers.) I purchased the GDR18V-EC when it was the leading Bosch and was disappointed with almost every aspect of it. That said I may try Bosch again in the future. Thanks for watching.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL thanks for your reply first of all! The 18v-EC (also the GDX version) is a lot weaker than the new model which actually cracked 300 nm with the new procore battery (even though it's named 200 C). But if you have tested it, too bad for me :D definetely believe you that it doesn't have a chance against the Milwaukee (or DeWalt - not sure if they live as long though). I just ordered two adapters to be able using the bosch batteries for Makita and Milwaukee. Hope it works :)
Outstanding and fairly comprehensive review! I tried, and wanted to like the 18 volt version, of the ‘Triple Hammer,’ and then I compared both my Makita 3 speed, and single speed, brushless Impacts, to the Metabo/ HPT, and decided to send the Triple Hammer back. Quality Control is an issue with the Triple Hammer, as you eluded to with the nose cone and boot. I was hoping you would touch upon the insipid light and the weird little trapezoid like lens cover. I noticed a very similar result from yours, albeit not with as large of fasteners. I think the ‘power mode’ kicks in with more of the triple hammer effect? I have seen it fail on some larger fasteners on other RUclips channels. ‘DrDecks’ loves them, and I think the triple hammers would be great on decks and stuff. It is just hard to beat Makita. I have tried them all, and always come back to Makita. However, I do like my M18 Surge impact driver. Smooth, and much quieter. I tend to use it in confined spaces, and in sensitive job environments. Great review. Wish I could send you a battery. It would probably cost a fortune to ship !!! Thanks
I own 12v surge it is cool but I prefer Makita assist feature better.
Love your reviews and information ive always used power tools but never really learned about my tools.
Thanks. Glad you like them.
I have the metabo very happy with it plus lifetime warranty also have the gen3 and it is way faster but only five year warranty
I’ve bought into the Hikoki brand!
great choice! We are Hikoki dealer :-)
@@paaksolutions8283 does the old Metabo batteries fit Hikoki?
Or does Metabo accept Hikoki?
@@shaquedelilicss7849 No, European Metabo uses the CAS system. They are not interchangeable, but the american metabo hpt does fit the hitachi as they are the same brand.
I just like the green/black skin... 🤷♂️
@@paaksolutions8283 I’ll check your website out when I’m buying my next tools but I’m kinda bummed out.
Their marketing is really basic. Not what I would expect from a major brand. They are really behind compared to Dewalt, Milwaukee and Makita.
Hikoki promised back in late 2019 that they were going to really update their line up. I was hoping in 2021-22, they’d be announcing new products but they haven’t really. I want a plunge/track saw.
Now for some of the products, I need to look at alternative products. So I might have to switch to Makita. At least with Makita I can expect continued investment in their line up. Hikoki are still where they were at the start of 2020 and with no reassurances of what’s in the pipeline.
I work with carbon fibre and resin and the carbon gets all in the Ryobi drills we use, they have a hard life. They last about a year.
Could you compare more hpt 36v tools to the new makita 40v tools (circular saw, drill, rotory drill, sawzall,etc)
My tools consist of 70% Makita and 30% Hikoki. I'm seriously thinking about selling my Makita and replacing with Hikoki. The build quality of Hikoki is what Makita used to be many years ago. I feel the quality of Makita has dropped over recent years.
I will say that my Multivolt triple hammer does wake up some with the 4.0 ah 21700 cell battery. Maybe that would have made it keep speed better with the big timber screws.
With higher voltage tools science is simple. Higher the potential (voltage) - lower the current. Ohms law :) Current is what making the motor windings, wiring loom and control circuits to heat up. Less heat, longer life of them parts.
6 years hikoki warranty vs makita 5 years. Hikoki is near impossible to get parts whereas makita is easy to get parts.
Hikoki have the ac adapter available which if needed, will allow a user to work non stop throughout the day and also has a fan on the battery adapter.
3 year HiKoki warranty in NZ. Makita are the best for parts, but HiKoki also have excellent availability in NZ. They are just a bit more expensive.
just as you made your joke about ad breaks and went “it’s not the tele is it?” - 2 unskippable adds 😂🤩
Just after you said "find out after this break" at 6:06 ish I actually had an advert pop up 😆
Anyway great review as usual pal.
RUclips must have been listening 😆
I'd like to see Makita face off with the new Festool T18, I think it will be interesting
Me too! Send me one and I will give it a go.
I love the Hikoki TH Impact... Not the greatest for the HUGE fasteners though. But a nice unit that I'd take over the Makita any day personally. I just don't like Makita all that much.
The 18v Half inch impact with a hex adapter is my solution. THe hex driver is the best for drivign various construction screws. It doesnt hit as gnarly in reverse, cuz it dont bust the nuts efficiently. Also,. the 36v needs to bee in full nut fucker mode to rock and roll 100%. The screw mode is a assembly mode, i think. It stops driving before it impacts.
I love my Metabo stuff, hidden gems in the tool world for sure. The flexibility of being able to swap 36v and 18v batteries is really nice.
Also, none of my 2 36v batteries and non of my 3 amp hour 18v battery packs have died and left me waiting for charging.
The half inch Metabo impact is the way to go if you find yourself requiring more nut busting/larger boilt driving force.
The Half inch 18v impact with also drive the Shiznit out of deck screws and the like, with the dewalt half inch to quarte hex adapter. Basically turns any type of fastener into a self tapping screw.
So far I have had metabo cordless tools for about 10 years, none of their tools have failed in cheap ways nor have I had issues with battery fitment or battery life. I'd say the 36v stuff is rather overkill for someone just working ontheir home. But I do love being able to drive 6inch screws faster than all my other Guy friends. I get all those cool man card frequent badass points.
lmao
but the 36v stuff, though worth the cash, isnt absolutely REQUIRED in any way. the 18v stuff will suit most medium duty users just fine. WOOO latenight rambling comments Heckins Yeah!!
I've never had a Makita that lasted, got three new drills in warranty and the thing still died, was when brushless just came out and mine was brushed but I hardly ever used it for much more than 8mm Dynabolts etx
This impact driver have 2 models wh36da 180nm and wh36db 220nm. The trible hammer is smooth and fast because the short hammer. The makita is long hammer thats why it can hit harder. The makita 40v is at another platform cannot exchange to 18v. The hikoki is more convenient and their 36v have corded adapter.
The WH36DA is only available in Japan I think and the WH36DB is only rated at 210NM everywhere I look.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Yes, 210nm. Thanks for your video.
I picked this up as a kit today because it amounted to a great deal on the batteries and the actually informative charger. As you may know, the charger and battery included with the nailers leave a lot to be desired in the “is it even working?” department. Look, there’s no competition. The HiTabo has infinitely more noticeable runout (although nowhere as bad as the particular Festool I had), the electronic whine is ear piercing, the internal build quality and parts (of course I took it apart) is not in the same league, the switch is junk (although functionally good) and the Makita has a way stronger fan. That said, it’s really smooth, the handle feels good, I personally like the side selector (although, the selector over the trigger on the Makita is tops), it’s overall good vs shit, etc. I do like it enough that I may give their latest impact a spin. I’m way more interested in their new 18 gauge, of course. Boy did they make me forget about the FN001G in a hurry. I looked at some of the other 36v HiTabo tools since they were on sale for dirt cheap (recip was $99 usd, 7-1/4 was $99, drill kit was $179) but they all seemed pretty chintzy, to be honest. There’s a reason why they market the nailers separate from their corded and cordless power tool range. You can’t even find the nailers as a bare tool, usually. There may be a sku, a upc and an ean, but there certainly ain’t no product on the shelf.
I bought the 40v kit and very happy with all the tools other than the impact its ok but like you I prefer the 171 they should have made the 40v alot faster that way the bulk doesn't matter as much
The 40v I'm not that impressed with apart from the impact is the recip.
Makita feature mode are great see how beautiful finish for sinking screws in. Power for me each trade brand 18v impact driver will enough for everyone. I personal still reckon makita 18v dtd 171 does job well with all the feature mode plus lighter and compact. 40V just released I believe makita will have long time to get improve.
The results kinda make sense. A triple hammer will have the edge in any light to light medium duty situation, since it simply delivers a lot more impacts per revolution. But it will drop performance exponentially with every increase in load, since those impacts will be a lot weaker than on a dual hammer setup. That fact will ultimately limit the triple hammer impact driver severely in its maximum load capability opposed to a dual hammer driver with aproximately the same horsepower under the hood.
Can’t wait for Dewalt to get smashed out the park by the Makita driver. Personal request: could you make a video on your favourite nail guns?
@@Patrick-857 DeWalt is definitely good enough. The difference in power is a lot smaller than most assume, but for me, I love the colour, build quality and consistency of Makita. Everyone I’ve met so far, who’s had decent experience on both sets of tools always recommend Makita. In some cases Dewalt tools are more powerful I believe, but nothing beats the general quality of Makita in my opinion.
For sure that off balanced weight ratio is a huge problem for the makita.
Since this video was filmed they have released smaller batteries.
Really enjoying the channel... speaicly during Covid amigo, thanks for the great content.
Glad you enjoy it!
I wil surely be staying between the two brands.
love this...makita is 36Vx4Ah=144Wh and Hikoki is 36Vx2.5Ah=90Wh. So that could be a reason. Maybe try again with the Hikoki 4Ah battery? Then it would be fair
So you think time measurements = more power? I can test the Makita now with a 2.5Ah battery... and it will beat the Hikoki even more ruclips.net/video/5I1O_0rj-2U/видео.html&pbjreload=101
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Hi there, the thing is there is a load capacity on batteries. When you have a bigger capacity, you can bear more loads(for longer). Not just in total time, but in every drive. So I'm curious to see that compared. Please test it and let me know. I really would like to know if it makes any difference.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Just watched the other video, it's mindblowing because it barely makes any sense. With Hikoki the 4Ah battery gave more power...
Interesting aye!
Great video
The 40v Makita is nice , but it's Not what I thought it would be , I just Expected alot more Raw Power because its 40 volts , I mean at this point I'll just stick with my 18v Makita , but I wish they could find a way to upgrade their 18v batteries , they Screwed themselves with their LTX X2 tools , by putting the batteries so close together, they didn't leave room for a bigger upgraded battery, and that's the reason in my opinion why they had to come out with this whole new line , just so they could have upgraded batteries.....👍🛠🖖
There is a lot more to the battery saga than that,,,www.jlconline.com/products-tools/power-tools/milwaukee-claims-exclusive-right-to-make-lithium-ion-tools_o
All I know is that this voltage race is a marketing wank for me. Great review, but I'm sticking with my latest gen Makita (XDT16 in the States) 18v tool. On the job I don't think I've ever set it beyond power setting 3 (of 4) and you still gotta' pay close attention or you'll drive that 3 inch screw straight through the material. Great review but I got plenty of power and "volts" at the moment to consider either of these. lol
I think some of the change to higher voltage is to try and get around paying Milwaukee royalties for the 18v batteries. That's right everyone has to pay Milwaukee as they managed to get a retrospective patent on 18v Lithium-ion batteries. That's another reason Makita never made larger batteries as the higher draw batteries are the patent problem.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Hmmm. That's an interesting perspective but really hard to believe. The voltage rating is based on the nominal voltage of the cells used (and how they are connected). Most round it up to 20v (in an 18v pack) while Makita was more conservative (and honest) and used 18v for their packs. I don't know how you can patent the additive voltage of a pack of batteries. Did you see an article on this?
@@mixpick138 I was shocked and stunned when I found out as I thought it was too fundamental to patent. It is on batteries drawing 20amps+
I will find an article for you.
This one includes some of the lawsuits.
www.jlconline.com/products-tools/power-tools/milwaukee-claims-exclusive-right-to-make-lithium-ion-tools_o
Yes. Milwaukee owns patent on 18v
It's seems the Makita has more power for bigger tasks and just hair behind of smaller ones. Same results with vcg did 887 vs xdt16.
Hikoki akku 2,5 Ah makita akku 4 Ah..... new test hikoki multivolt akku 8Ah 18V / 4Ah 36v
Hey, you should really do a shootout between the variety of Hikoki 36v metal cutting circular saws and the ones Makita has made available for the XGT line. 🤗
Hikoki has metal cutting saws 😳
@@cheveresalvi They have, I believe, 1 or 2 36v metal saws available in Japan and either the UK or parts of Europe since late 2019/early 2020. Available nowhere else in typical HiKoki/Metoki HIV fashion. They’re like Bosch, except every country gets to have their own set of tools that no one else gets. Unlike Makita where it’s usually stuff that’s VERY unique to the region, HiKoki has got ubiquitous products that all of us need stuck in one location.
@@cheveresalvi Well, I’ll be. They “have” (will eventually) a variable speed die grinder. 18v and not 36v. Regardless, the kicker is that they’re releasing it on both sides of the Atlantic, simultaneously. It was announced before the bare tool version of their new 2” 18 gauge which hasn’t surfaced months after the kit version. So, we’ll see it in 2022? I’m just impressed that they’re releasing something I want from them here.
Don’t look but you can get a HiKOKI 377314 for the metal saw or buy both as the CD3605DFA and it’s a 36v cordless metal cutting sidewinder that converts into a cold cutting chop saw. This is a killer product but I guess Lowes and Menards won’t buy it and that’s what Hikoki thinks of my country….
@@robertrada4783 yeah they have that variable speed die grinder in Australia too. In slide or paddle switch. I love that thing!
Oh wow thanks for the heads up! I just saw it's a large blade compared to the other cordless saws. I want it bad now !
These days pick a color and your good to go everything is quality
I don't think I want a tool any larger or heavier. Try to get away with 12v whenever I can.
Im using a Metabo HPT WH36DB and a Makita DTD171. I bought the Metabo one off Ebay because I got it for cheap with two batteries (4Ah ones). I see no difference in power in it, whether im using the smaller BSL36A18 or the larger BSL36B18 batteries. Its definitely more powerful than the Makita DTD171 though. Also has the same issue with balance as the XGT one, when using with larger batteries.
Thanks for the info about the batteries.
Which one has the least amount of bit wobble?
Can you really patent these hammer approaches.. I really doubt that Hitachi can get a patent to the tristroke, as then you can patenthumping overall techapproach like there is no tomorrow.
just as the 2 strokes or if somebody wanna make 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 etc stroke tools.
The patent is likely deeper than the single number of strokes of the anvil.(I reckon that aspect is open for everybody)
Milwaukee have a patent on the amount of current an 18v battery can put out. That's even more bizarre, and the reason Milwaukee 18v tools are more powerful, and a driving factor in most other tool companies using different voltages now.
The continuous run time would be the tools duty cycle. Lots of tools have a rated duty cycle, usually rated as a percentage. Eg a 100% duty cycle tool should theoretically be able to run indefinitely at full power. 50% duty cycle can only work half the time at full power before needing to cool down.
Welding equipment normally has a duty cycle rating
You guys get a purple makita? We need this in the states
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Mad video
Awesome.
Must be that the makitas faster at driving heavy screws due to more momentum in the hammers, whilst the hikoki has 3 hammers each with less momentum but are hitting at a faster rate resulting in higher speed but less power
It seems to be the same as with car engines; big few cylinders make more torque than many small ones, but can't spin as fast.
I really wanted to see DeWalt Power Detect vs Makita 40v impact driver 🤔
I reckon the hikoki slows down on high torque applications to protect the battery.
I was pretty gutted Makita didn't make 40v batteries backward compatible, but I wonder if it was so they could avoid limitations like this.
honestly I would still grab my DTD148 before any other impact driver.
The dinosaur the real Japanese impact driver
My brother just bought the 40v Makita because he likes to one up on people . to be fair he has other 40v stuff but I only have 18v and I also prefer my 172 impact over his 40v because of its lightness and weight distrubution . There are advantages to the 40v but not enough especially if youre using it all the time. I have a ten year old brushed impact that is slow and weedy compared to my 172 but if I'm using two kinds of screw I often set up one for one type and the other for the other. The problem is I'm now spoiled and the old impact is just too slow. Mybe its time to retire the old boy to become my "around the house" impact for those occasional home repair and get an upgrade for work
So what's the difference between your "choice" the 18V Makita and the 40V Makita?
I would like to see a versus Dewalt video.
Maybe the new makita versus the 999 with the flexvolt battery
ruclips.net/video/SpAayj4Ok3c/видео.html
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I was getting my drivers and drills mixed up. Thanks for the link!
Is that a sabre cut bit mate? The long black one with the yellow band?
Kango
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL oh ok, look very similar. Cheers for the superb content 👍
Yeah they look almost identical. Thanks for watching.
Throw the flex drills.
Greetings, could anyone clarify to the noob that I am the MultiVolt practical benefits ? I am going to take the example of similarly looking Impact wrenches WH18DBDL2 and WH36DBW2. Both have very similar torques (207 and 210 N.m, respectively). I am sure there is more to just looking at theoretical torque values...Any explanation of the difference in practical terms between the two would be much appreciated. Thanks !
Shout out to the Epic beer bottle cap stuck on the opener at 22:32 🤙
It's an epic opener!
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL does the trick, I have a more epicer one planned though!
Me too...
I don't understand why everyone can't do the same chuck as dewalt. Quick insert is great but I also like having a quick release. Hard to live without when your used to it. Sucks cuz makita amd red make better over all impact but the collet is lacking.
It may be patented, like the recip saw blade release on the Makitas.
Bits wobble like crazy on dewalt impacts
Unfair advantage, 21700 batteries are far superior over the 18650 pack. Hikoki would certainly out perform using the 4.0 pack
Watch this video and then tell me if you think the 21700 cells are better ruclips.net/video/5I1O_0rj-2U/видео.html
That's a bit odd, good video. Milwaukee's high output line 3ah does perform better than 6.0 high output. My comment was regarding the two different brands, hikoki versus Makita, there's no question that the 21700 is a better platform, Tesla moved from 18650 to 21700, higher capacity cells. I don't think Makita and metabo/hikoki use the same brand 21700 and I'm sure their technology is a bit different drawing from their batteries. That was a good video, I'm baffled that they were running higher RPMs on both angle grinder and circular saw with the 18650 packs. Communication between the tool and battery are very important and can make or break the advantage possibilities I got the XDT 16, great tool but I always wanted the triple hammer and we do not have the 40 volt line Makita in the United States, next best thing was the metabo 36 volt platform, hence the reason watching your video. The 4.0 batteries come with the kit in the United states, it's crazy how they provide different items for sale in different countries, like the video I said you would have to order the 4.0 from another area, the reason you didn't have one to compare in the video. I ordered one, I'll have it tomorrow, were you able to acquire the 4.0 battery from hikoki to revisit the test between Makita and metabo/hikoki impact driver. 18650s have been around and used for quite some time, but the 21700s are going to be the new normal, 18650 cell packs will eventually phase out in my opinion
There are no recommendations?
Get the 40v Makita
The big question is why o why did Makita not do a flex volt so the 40v batteries would also work in 18v lineup and vice versa.
I'm stopping at 10 minutes after you explaining hikoki's triple contact hammer point opposed to two hammers rotating, lifting and striking. The longer screws and or bolts go in a lot faster with the makita. My thoughts are the hikoki may not damage the material the screws and bolts drive into. The Milwaukee is very robust and I have witnessed material been split because it been too aggressive. The hikoki seems to be designed not to damage, split wood or whatever the screws are driven into.
I always pre drill. Setting form work for concreting the carpenter ran in screws which some we couldn't remove because they were only driven in with impact driver.
Its interesting after all these years festool brought out an impact driver.
Personally, I think that test result where it just slows down or stops is a fault of the 18650’s, it can’t draw anymore current at that point. That’s why I was curious about the 21700 Milwaukee batteries but it wouldn’t have had a clear difference, if hikoki made a 21700 it might well make a significant difference in that one test. Just my theory. If you were ADD like me I would rig a adapter between the battery and put a clamp meter on the wires and see if it’s maxing out the current drain spec of those batteries. I suppose it could just be the current Max of the 2.5ah but doesn’t seem as likely.
The 8ah hikoki battery uses 21700 cells. Hikoki liek makita as well makes two batteires for their 36v and 40v batterys the lower amp for both brands uses 18650 and the bigger ones they bake are 21700 cells.
Great video. Only a New Zealander would read the instructions.
Everything else being equal, with the only difference being the amount of hammers and anvils, a triple hammer should hammer faster due to the distance between hammer and anvil. Though, there's no real way to test this, as there's no impact gun that has interchangeable parts. Same goes for the newer oil filled drivers, there's no way to actually compare the tech without a common base driver with an interchangeable impact set; and again, for an accurate test, everything else has to be equal in the impact set, like spring tension, hammer and anvil geometry, etc. In theory, oil filled and more hammers should be better, but we'll probably never see an apples to apples test of the designs until someone manufactures their own that goes on the end of a standard drill.
He's only trying to show you the difference between the two
@@brettwalkom948 Reread the original comment, carefully, I don't think you quite understand what's being said.
Also on a 9 month old comment that has minimal interaction, you come up with a reply and it immediately has a like on it? Congratulations on liking your own comments.
@@jakesnyder2667 haha alot of assumptions there.. All I'm saying is you're making it to complicated.. What I said applies to anything 40v vs 18 air vs electric, no matter how old the test. All these videos are doing is showing the differences
I am Makita fans
I don’t think, the power is most important. How it feels and you can control the impact driver. I prefer makita, got the old dtd152, my first still going strong. The simple butt really nice in hand dtd153. And off course the dtd171. I am a woodworker outside. And I have working buddies, they have hikoki (stupid name btw) (prefer hitachi) and dewalt. and we are always making fun off each other, with my brand is de best. Butt yeah for al day work just driving in normal size screws. My dtd171 and dtd153 are just the best. Dewalt is losing there game, and to bulkie impact drivers. Hitachi platform here in the Netherlands, not big enough. Like the feel to it tho, butt dewalt was really good, 8years ago, and there track saw, and jigsaw just are the worst.
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You can go ahead and send me that 40v makita like you promised 😄🤞👌 @Tools & Stuff
You forgot to change mode in MetaboHPT lol
You are yet another person who doesn't understand the setting lights on this impact driver. Thankfully they have changed it for the new model. Maybe you will understand that one.
you mean back and forth. if batterys not same no showdown. no it is forward.
i may see a problem with a quad hammer 🔨
Makita is nicer looking.
Not the fastest not the strongest,, makita 18v is perfect,,
2nd tool that I now own from Hikoki. Iam a huge Metabo fanboy and all the tools I own are just awesome.
I like the Hikoki but that left/right selector is pure garbage that is always getting in contact with my thumb and just feels awkward to use.
Also the trigger feels tiny compared to the Hikoki blowergun RA 18DA that I really like . In terms of ergonomics Metabo wins 100% all the way. How can you design such a shit selector? And that from a Japanese brand. Since those two brands are owned by the same company they sure could just use the Metabo grip mould and I would be happy.
Could you test the Metabo SSD 18 LTX impact driver? We used that to build a terrace roofing and that thing was pure nuts. Might make a comparison video with those two in the future.
Bang bang bang !!!! ,😂
for the love of all mankind if your going to drive in big screws use your drill/driver far quicker and most of all QUIETER!, just say'n
Wouldn't make a very good impact driver video though aye?
Torque means nothing too imo otherwise Ridgid would have the best
What's with using 2 hands at the same time? One of them is always going to be weaker/stronger more/less dextrous....sorry but you completely compromised the validity of this vid
I think you'll find it's the validity of your comment that's in question as I clearly alternate hands and a
Always do multiple tests with both hands.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALAlternate hands? Would you or I ever do that on a job site, let alone an important install? No....You lost me when you drilled down with your left hand and reversed it out with your right hand and then said "well that worked better" ....take my advice, the 2 handed trick discredits your vid....and BTW no other quality tool reviewer I've seen does it either, cheers
You are entitled to your opinion, and plenty of tool reviewers do it and it's surprising you can't understand that.
@@evermore8888 Lot of stuff tool reviewers do would never be done on a job site. Moot point.
The accuracy of every test done by hand is going to be in question. It’s why some reviewers make jigs to remove the human equation in testing. However, T&S swapping hands for a ‘live’ side by side is still completely valid, and barring any deliberate action on his part will minimize skewed results.
As for the credible reviewer argument. Most tool reviewers aren’t credible, they’re biased as hell. Huge aspect of that being sponsorships and wanting free review samples. T&S I would regard as one of the credible reviewers, if imperfect.
@@reaperreaper5098 Blah blah blah...yawn
Your entire video is a huge fail. You can’t compare a tool with 4 amp battery vs 2 amp. It is a huge difference.
No it isn't. Watch all my other videos on the topic.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL bro do your own experiment. Same tool , different battery capacity and you will see huge difference in rpm and torque.
I've done it so many times dude. Because you haven't watched the vids doesn't mean I haven't done it. But to save you time, the makita 2.5Ah beats the hikoki 2.5 more than the Makita 4 does.
Ofcourse Makita wins… you are all about makita dude and have a sponsorship. 99 % is all makita content. All that makita giveaways and so on. Love your channel but when makita is in the title than makita is ofcourse the best so pls. Like the Hikoki plunge router. Makita does not have one so Hikoki wins of ourselves. Seems weird
I'm not sponsored by anybody. And other tools win comparisons all the time. You are just annoyed because your colour didn't win.
Thx for your time dude and lightning speed respond. When looking at your content it just is so much makita stuff on your channel. The 40v line up seems really good but i just cant fall in love with them. Sry if i might have been some what being an asshole but that's just me.
Short question.: do you you recommend the hikoki 36 volt router? I would order it from japan. Greetings from austria from the land of kangaroos.....
Maybe im just not impressed from Hikoki that what i expected.. Sry dude
Peace
I did a full review on it. And just reviewed the Milwaukee one and quickly compared the 2. Both eat batteries but work fine. Hikoki is more compact and better oriented.
The Makita 40 volt is not ip56 that is Bull🤬🤬🤬
Well that's what they say it is. Why is it bullish?
The Makita is better.