I completely agree with your assessment. I just spoke to my dealership because they called to let me know we could pre-order them. I asked if they would be marking them up in price and they said they would definitely have a markup on top of those prices, but they didn't know how much yet. If anything I'll be waiting until that markup is gone, but realistically, I don't think I can justify the cost for what you get.
@TechnicallyJeff Yeah, not terribly surprised. They were trying to mark up the GT by $20k until they ended up having them sit on the lot for a while. Personally I've had a Cybertruck on order for years that seems to actually be getting closer these days, just hoping for okay pricing.
I agree. $5k-$10k less and it will be more appealing but as is too high, especially when the software and self driving are very basic in the KIA. If they had fully automated driving like Tesla does then the pricing would be fine. However the range needs to be 300 miles on the minimum end and 400 on the high end to be appealing as people buy SUVs for comfort, and are the vehicle of choice for long drives.
Yeah one of the biggest things for me is range. 250ish on the top of the line model is too low in my opinion. It needs another 100 to really make it competitive. I don't see many Telluride people considering the EV9.
I agree with what you're saying, the top trims are really pricey. The GT-Line in Canada also gets power third row seats. The manual ones are annoying to use. Me and my dad might jerry rig the power folding ones when more parts are available. Otherwise, it's a fantastic car and SO quiet on the highway.
Yeah I'm a really big fan of it. I liked it a lot sitting in it. It was comfortable, tiny, and had great tech. Range could be better. But otherwise really nice.
I agree with the price. However the GT Line has more comfort than the Rivian. Also parts and repairs are cheaper with Kia. The price of cars in general is soaring. Hence the used car market being happy. We can get the tax credit with a lease. The timing at the charger is also crucial for people. With my EV6 i can’t even get a coffee when charging. It’s so fast 😅and really appreciated. My other car is a Chrysler Pacifica which is great. I can’t have the equivalent without adding a ton of money 🙄 We wanted to switch it to an EV9 … We have to see what are the deals afterward. They also mentioned the inventory will be very low until next year.
All very good points. I agree the GT-Line does have more comfort, but I wouldn't say it's a big difference. Definitely cheaper repairs, but I have to be honest, Kia dealerships leave a LOT to be desired when it comes to EVs... The R1S isn't much slower to charge than the EV9 (to get the same range back - it's bigger batteries will of course take longer). I have a pacfica hybrid as my family's other vehicle too! I would love an EV9 I just can't justify the cost. I like them a lot. But like I mentioned in the video, personally I feel like if I'm spending that kind of money I'd probably rather have a R1S with a bigger battery for about $10k more and get better software and performance. That said, if Kia starts giving incentives on the EV9 like with the EV6, it could completely change things.
@@TechnicallyJeff i agree, with this kind of price we cannot ignore other vehicles in the same range. Rivian is one of them. Not Tesla though. I feel like living at their parking lot around my house. 🙄Volvo is not appealing either. That restrict a bit 😅 Maybe a chinese one !
Kia Dealer service departments are beyond horrific. Worst in industry just like Hyundai. Only service departments auto or motorcycle that do NOT do a vehicle inspection- video recording when dropping off for service. Wonder why… because destroy your car while they have in service.
You don't consider tesla in the same price range? A regular Model X is basically the same price after the tax credit. Though to get a 6 seater it is more.
Good discussion. I like interiors with buttons, legroom (l’m 6’6”), and captains chairs in the 2nd row. EV9 wins over RS1 on all those points. I have the money and ability to order RS1 right now (just got my config email) but I just like the EV9 better. Oh and Android Auto/Car Play. I hate being forced into someone else’s software stack (Rivian/Tesla). I am worried about dealers BS when buying…. but suppose i can wait a bit if needed, however, Seattle has a strong market for EV buyers with the high gas prices, liberal mindset towards climate change, and tech money.
I put in a deposit for an EV9. Dealership excited to get me in the door to sign. Definitely not rushing to get one. Especially since it will get Tesla NACS and tax credit end of next year.
I'm right in that boat. Was about to get the telluride when I found out the ev9 is coming out. I like the idea of switching to electric but the price is a big jump, especially if you want to get awd. I'm also hearing that some of the features are gonna be hidden behind a paywall. It's been a while since I bought a car but I do not like the idea of subscribing to access additional features. The cars already expensive enough as it is.
It does seem pricey. One has to consider whether Rivian is going to be around the next 3 to 5 years. Hyundai and Kia are sibling companies (they share technology info.), they make ICEV, Hybrid, and now EV. One wants to make sure a company will be around for parts and resale value.
I think that you have to compare the EV9 to a Model Y buyer. While slightly more than a Model Y, it will be the most affordable 3 row EV once the tax credit is being leveraged.
My wife and I went and saw the EV9 when it came around on the dealership tour. We spent about an hour going over the SUV, trying all the buttons, bells and whistles. We liked it alot. But egads, the price of these vehicles are too much, especially with the interest rates. We have a gas Sorento with three rows and if we ever replaced that it would have to be a comp vehicle, like a telluride or better yet a Palisade (we like the interior better) . We could get a top trim Palisade for little more than the bottom trim EV9. I am just saying, unless these car companies just want to kill EV adoption they have to make vehicles that work at prices the masses can afford. It took me a couple of years to afford a discounted EV6.
I actually don’t think the price is too bad on the EV9, at least at the low end. I don’t see how they could drop the price $5k-$10k. If you dropped the Light RWD $5k that basically puts it at the same price as an EV6 Wind RWD, which has the same size battery. So, if the EV9 is priced too high, then so is the EV6. I don’t think it’s reasonable for someone to expect this to be close in price to a Telluride. The battery is, unfortunately, still going to require the price to be quite a bit higher, which may put it out of range for some people. This is what the federal tax credit was supposed to help with, but the government kind of screwed Kia over with the new rules. Now on the high end, I think a case could be made to pick the Rivian R1S over the GT-Line, but now that the official EPA range estimates are out, we see that you’re actually getting slightly better range with the EV9 GT-Line than with the standard range R1S for about $4,000 less. Maybe some people would prefer the R1S with the large battery pack, which gives you quite a bit more range, but at that point you’re $10,000 above GT-Line, and then for Max battery pack you’re $20,000 above EV9 GT-Line. If you need that extra range then maybe the bump in price would be worth it, but I think a lot of people would find that a hard sell. Sure, the tech might be better in the Rivian, but I would expect that at the higher price point. As far as Model X goes, I guess people will probably cross shop that, but I’m guessing if you’re looking at an R1S or a EV9, you probably want the more traditional SUV design. And we all know that Tesla grossly overestimates their range figures, so it’s kind of hard to compare on that. The tax credit could be the big deciding factor here, but we also don’t know what kind of incentives Kia might give to make these more competitive until they get production in the U.S. going.
Comparing the EV9 to the EV6, remember the EV6 is priced too high right now. Kia dealerships are discounting them heavily and Kia is offering significant rebates. Before the rebates, the EV6s were just sitting on lots. And that kind of proves my point. The EV6 is one of the highest rated vehicles out there (I think consumer reports rated it higher than any other vehicle - ICE or EV) and it still was sitting on lots at $45k-$60k. With the EV9 between $55k-$75k, I just don't know if it will be popular.
I will wait what Ioniq 7 brings. Range is issue because this uses old type battery still and not Lfp and range is not good especially thinking you need to be within 20-80% SOC to keep battery lifetime good. I would buy Rivian but it is not available in Europe.
Yeah I wish it had another 100 miles of range and LFP, though the regular lithium batteries don't do horrible with degradation with the battery management they have.
It will be interesting to see the 70mph range tests. But I'm thinking this is about 12k too high across the board. If it gets the 7500 tax credit, then it is about 5k too high for me to start thinking it is a good value. There aren't a lot of other options in the 3 row EV space, so maybe that will help sales. It's easy to pass on an overpriced ev6 when you can just buy a model y and get a very similar vehicle.
Disagree on the Rivian comparison. The EV9 felt much nicer, has a dealer network benefit compared to Rivian, charging as you mentioned is better, the repairs and maintenance are better from what we know, and more equipment of course for the GTLine vs the base R1S. Not to mention the batteries are way better conditioned for hot and cold conditions.
I definitely agree the EV9 feels nice on the interior and the dealer network is convenient, though Kia dealerships leave a lot to be desired with EV service. Is there much more equipment for the GT-Line vs the base R1S? And I thought both had pretty solid battery conditioning?
We have a 2021 Palisade, and I was interested in how the EV9 would be priced. After seeing this, I am not too impressed. I like Hyundai products better anyway, so I will just wait until the Ioniq 7 comes out. Honestly, all the EV's are going to have to drop the prices in the next 2-3 years. Tesla keeps lowering the prices on their EV's, and to compete, others will have to do the same (although I would never buy a Tesla until they improve the quality of the products). Some of these prices are approaching BMW and Mercedes levels. I would much rather spend the money on those anyways. As much as I want to buy an EV, I will just wait until the market stabilizes the prices. I can afford to buy now, but I will just wait for the optimal time.
Which necessary upgrades do you mean? The R1S with the large pack has about 100 more EPA miles of range for less than $10k more than a GT-Line EV9. As for the Model X, why do you say that? Have you been in one? I love the Model X. Decent space, lots of features, comfortable, quick, solid charging, solid range.
@@TechnicallyJeff Features, phantom range, and phantom braking do not make a superior car. Price dropping from $100k+ to under $80k and it’s still overpriced. I have not read a single first hand review of praise fir MX.
I wouldn't go that far for Tesla. Sure they have their critics and cynics, but without them, there would be no other EVs period. And have you driven and owned one? They're not as bad as people make them out to be. I have a lot of friends who own Teslas and I have driven all of them. I still prefer my EV6 for the drive quality but for software and self driving, Tesla is unmatched, untouchable in that area.
@@cyberathlete For “self driving”? Did you really throw that in as a benefit? That Tesla pioneered adoption of EVs has zero to do with the lack of quality of the cars. Tesla is next to last in initial quality and 10th from the bottom in reliability. Kia is second from the top in reliability and top ten in initial quality. And the X is, by most accounts, the worst built Tesla.
Yep I agree. And I love the Model X, I have to say. It's comfortable, roomy, the windshield into glass roof is nice, and the gullwing doors are actually pretty nice, especially for kids and taller people.
I was looking forward to the EV9 but it is definitely a pass from me now that they have released the details. In addition to the cost, the main dealbreaker for me is the terrible range. You can only get decent range on the Light long range rwd. Basically you cant have the features I want without a much lower range. I liked my ev6 but ended up selling and getting an F150 lightning as i dont need 3rd row seating but it still has plenty of storage which was my only issue with the ev6.
Yeah I do wish they had a big battery pack version like other companies offer. Rivian offers a 180 kWh option. The lightning is nice. I just wish it charged faster personally but it's still a great vehicle.
What's the deal with the range, y'all? Do you really all drive that far in your everyday? Here in Europe the range is really a non-issue for most people. I prefer faster charging over sitting more hours in a car in a sitting anytime.
In the USA people regularly drive further than the range of our vehicles (regularly as in several times per year). In Europe I think it's probably different. For me as an example, we drive to Florida multiple times per year (800 miles or so).
@@TechnicallyJeff the EV6 AWD makes 300 miles roughly and it's all on paper (WLTP); I can see though, why less range than an EV6 with a considerably bigger battery is an issue.
Yeah 300 miles isn't bad. Honestly 270 miles isn't bad. But to be honest, for me, if I were spending $75k+ on an EV SUV, I'd probably spend $85k-90k and get a R1S with 350-400 miles of range. That'd be better long term IMO.
Just to correct a fact for you. A Model X doesn't qualify for the tax credit with either 6 ($86,490) or 7 seats ($83,490). If you want to compare the Model X in five seats then save yourself the money and buy a model Y or an EV 6. Now for the subjective stuff: The interior of the EV 9 is way nicer than any Tesla out there. The EV 9 has ultrasonic sensors for parking and a front camera for a true Birdseye view of your surroundings. The R1S with dual motors and standard pack gets only 260 miles of range and Rivians from what I've read at least under deliver on range. You can only get the Rivian in 4 colors and a black interior or 1 color with white interior and still meet the tax credit. The quality of materials past the 1st row is a sea of plastic in the Rivian. Then there's Apple/Google compatibility, level 3 autonomous driving possible whenever they decide to add the lidar sensors to the 2024 EV9 and V2H which Tesla is refusing to sign up for currently. I personally think it's priced well for what you get. I wish they could get 300 miles out of the GT line. If you really want the credit and don't live in Florida or TX or any other state that charges you full taxes at the beginning of the lease and at buy out, lease the EV9, and then pay it off immediately after lease initiation and get the full credit. Obviously not everyone can afford to do that...I live in TX so double boo for me.
@@TechnicallyJeff I really don't know how the Internet made that connection unfortunately. EVs without Tesla represent a small fraction of vehicles sold in the US. It's still a very niche space. Terrible infrastructure, range anxiety, higher cost. KIA didn't market it as a Telluride alternative but the internet will do what it wants. I'm sure you're well aware that every manufacturer except Tesla is making EVs at a huge loss. I'm not sure how much more of a negative margin KIA can take. I guess we'll find out in 6 months to 1 year based on how much supply there is on the lots on what type of incentives KIA will come up with. I don't think you'll see a reduction in MSRP though.
@Irpilot yeah I definitely see where you're coming from. I think the Telluride comparison is natural though. They are both similar size three row suvs, one is just powered by gas and the other by electricity. I want the ev9 to be successful I just worry that at the price they are releasing it at people will be hesitant.
What logical person would put themselves in a 60k to 70k debt. I don’t understand these Auto companies. I love EV’s and yes it’s the future. But really ? I’m keeping my car till the wheels fall off.
@@TechnicallyJeff I agree with you. I’m part of the middle class here in the USA. I have what most would consider a really good paying job and so does the wife. But Geez. Anything over $60k is a lot for 80% of the people I know. And even though I have almost perfect credit score. The interest rates are sky high. Great channel. Be well💪
Keeping your car as long as possible is always the best financial decision. And agree that you should be buying cars with cash right now. Some people have changing needs as they navigate through life, and sometimes changing cars adds a lot of value to your day to day life.
1000kWh free charging is like nothing.. with 100kWh battery, that's about ten free full charges and you're done... Prefer Hyundai's model, where it's 2-years of free EA charging...
Eh I wouldn't say nothing. It gives you like you said about 10 free charges for road trips. On my EV6 after 1.5 years I'm not even halfway through my 1000 kWh. Though I would prefer the unlimited charging for a couple years like a few others have.
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I completely agree with your assessment. I just spoke to my dealership because they called to let me know we could pre-order them. I asked if they would be marking them up in price and they said they would definitely have a markup on top of those prices, but they didn't know how much yet. If anything I'll be waiting until that markup is gone, but realistically, I don't think I can justify the cost for what you get.
Wow that's crazy they are already anticipating marking them up.
@TechnicallyJeff Yeah, not terribly surprised. They were trying to mark up the GT by $20k until they ended up having them sit on the lot for a while.
Personally I've had a Cybertruck on order for years that seems to actually be getting closer these days, just hoping for okay pricing.
Yeah I know. I hate when dealers do that.
I agree. $5k-$10k less and it will be more appealing but as is too high, especially when the software and self driving are very basic in the KIA.
If they had fully automated driving like Tesla does then the pricing would be fine. However the range needs to be 300 miles on the minimum end and 400 on the high end to be appealing as people buy SUVs for comfort, and are the vehicle of choice for long drives.
Yeah one of the biggest things for me is range. 250ish on the top of the line model is too low in my opinion. It needs another 100 to really make it competitive. I don't see many Telluride people considering the EV9.
I agree with what you're saying, the top trims are really pricey. The GT-Line in Canada also gets power third row seats. The manual ones are annoying to use. Me and my dad might jerry rig the power folding ones when more parts are available. Otherwise, it's a fantastic car and SO quiet on the highway.
Yeah I'm a really big fan of it. I liked it a lot sitting in it. It was comfortable, tiny, and had great tech. Range could be better. But otherwise really nice.
I agree with the price. However the GT Line has more comfort than the Rivian.
Also parts and repairs are cheaper with Kia.
The price of cars in general is soaring. Hence the used car market being happy.
We can get the tax credit with a lease.
The timing at the charger is also crucial for people.
With my EV6 i can’t even get a coffee when charging. It’s so fast 😅and really appreciated.
My other car is a Chrysler Pacifica which is great.
I can’t have the equivalent without adding a ton of money 🙄
We wanted to switch it to an EV9 … We have to see what are the deals afterward.
They also mentioned the inventory will be very low until next year.
All very good points. I agree the GT-Line does have more comfort, but I wouldn't say it's a big difference. Definitely cheaper repairs, but I have to be honest, Kia dealerships leave a LOT to be desired when it comes to EVs... The R1S isn't much slower to charge than the EV9 (to get the same range back - it's bigger batteries will of course take longer). I have a pacfica hybrid as my family's other vehicle too! I would love an EV9 I just can't justify the cost. I like them a lot. But like I mentioned in the video, personally I feel like if I'm spending that kind of money I'd probably rather have a R1S with a bigger battery for about $10k more and get better software and performance. That said, if Kia starts giving incentives on the EV9 like with the EV6, it could completely change things.
@@TechnicallyJeff i agree, with this kind of price we cannot ignore other vehicles in the same range. Rivian is one of them. Not Tesla though. I feel like living at their parking lot around my house. 🙄Volvo is not appealing either. That restrict a bit 😅
Maybe a chinese one !
Kia Dealer service departments are beyond horrific. Worst in industry just like Hyundai. Only service departments auto or motorcycle that do NOT do a vehicle inspection- video recording when dropping off for service. Wonder why… because destroy your car while they have in service.
You don't consider tesla in the same price range? A regular Model X is basically the same price after the tax credit. Though to get a 6 seater it is more.
Yeah unfortunately service is lackluster with Kia/Hyundai.
TY! Great points, Jeff. Glad you posted this. Making me want to drop my pre-order.
If you like it, by all means get it. I just am worried at the price point it's going to be tough to justify it over others.
Hi what do you think about Nissan ariya ?
Eh I think it's okay. Some good features and powertrain. Slow charging though.
Good discussion.
I like interiors with buttons, legroom (l’m 6’6”), and captains chairs in the 2nd row. EV9 wins over RS1 on all those points. I have the money and ability to order RS1 right now (just got my config email) but I just like the EV9 better. Oh and Android Auto/Car Play. I hate being forced into someone else’s software stack (Rivian/Tesla). I am worried about dealers BS when buying…. but suppose i can wait a bit if needed, however, Seattle has a strong market for EV buyers with the high gas prices, liberal mindset towards climate change, and tech money.
Definitely some good points.
Yep, valid points on how it is up here.
Yep
Same boat here. Can’t stand dealership BS
yeah some are really bad
Well said, I have been having similar thoughts
Thanks! Yeah I'm hopeful it sells well, but I think it's a little high.
I put in a deposit for an EV9. Dealership excited to get me in the door to sign. Definitely not rushing to get one. Especially since it will get Tesla NACS and tax credit end of next year.
Yeast it definitely will be more compelling when the tax credit applies and when it gets NACS.
@@TechnicallyJeff well i got it under MSRP so I took the bait lol
Haha there you go! I know a lot of dealers selling for msrp or slightly lower plus the $3750 rebate. Not bad at all.
I'm right in that boat. Was about to get the telluride when I found out the ev9 is coming out. I like the idea of switching to electric but the price is a big jump, especially if you want to get awd. I'm also hearing that some of the features are gonna be hidden behind a paywall. It's been a while since I bought a car but I do not like the idea of subscribing to access additional features. The cars already expensive enough as it is.
Yep that's a good point. Some of the cool features of the EV9 are supposed to be behind a paywall which is annoying.
It does seem pricey. One has to consider whether Rivian is going to be around the next 3 to 5 years. Hyundai and Kia are sibling companies (they share technology info.), they make ICEV, Hybrid, and now EV. One wants to make sure a company will be around for parts and resale value.
Yeah with how Rivian is ramping up production and contacts with companies like Amazon I don't think there's a worry there.
@TechnicallyJeff sales of EVs are declining (GM has problems with their EV inventory). Rivian has a huge debt.
GM is different. I agree EVs are having some trouble but Rivian isn't going anywhere
I think that you have to compare the EV9 to a Model Y buyer. While slightly more than a Model Y, it will be the most affordable 3 row EV once the tax credit is being leveraged.
The challenge there is the EV9 is MUCH bigger than a Model Y. Not many Model Y buyers opt for the 3rd row. I think the X is more comparable.
I totally agree with you on this one. It should be much closer to the Telluride pricing.
Yeah at least in the ballpark. Otherwise no one is going to compare the two and choose the EV9.
I’d say it’s interesting but the price point might be too high. I agree with you Jeff on the pricing.
Yeah we'll see but it just seems too high.
My wife and I went and saw the EV9 when it came around on the dealership tour. We spent about an hour going over the SUV, trying all the buttons, bells and whistles. We liked it alot. But egads, the price of these vehicles are too much, especially with the interest rates. We have a gas Sorento with three rows and if we ever replaced that it would have to be a comp vehicle, like a telluride or better yet a Palisade (we like the interior better) . We could get a top trim Palisade for little more than the bottom trim EV9. I am just saying, unless these car companies just want to kill EV adoption they have to make vehicles that work at prices the masses can afford. It took me a couple of years to afford a discounted EV6.
Yeah I really like the EV9 but it's a $20k premium over the telluride and palisade. Pretty hard to get past that.
I actually don’t think the price is too bad on the EV9, at least at the low end. I don’t see how they could drop the price $5k-$10k. If you dropped the Light RWD $5k that basically puts it at the same price as an EV6 Wind RWD, which has the same size battery. So, if the EV9 is priced too high, then so is the EV6. I don’t think it’s reasonable for someone to expect this to be close in price to a Telluride. The battery is, unfortunately, still going to require the price to be quite a bit higher, which may put it out of range for some people. This is what the federal tax credit was supposed to help with, but the government kind of screwed Kia over with the new rules. Now on the high end, I think a case could be made to pick the Rivian R1S over the GT-Line, but now that the official EPA range estimates are out, we see that you’re actually getting slightly better range with the EV9 GT-Line than with the standard range R1S for about $4,000 less. Maybe some people would prefer the R1S with the large battery pack, which gives you quite a bit more range, but at that point you’re $10,000 above GT-Line, and then for Max battery pack you’re $20,000 above EV9 GT-Line. If you need that extra range then maybe the bump in price would be worth it, but I think a lot of people would find that a hard sell. Sure, the tech might be better in the Rivian, but I would expect that at the higher price point. As far as Model X goes, I guess people will probably cross shop that, but I’m guessing if you’re looking at an R1S or a EV9, you probably want the more traditional SUV design. And we all know that Tesla grossly overestimates their range figures, so it’s kind of hard to compare on that. The tax credit could be the big deciding factor here, but we also don’t know what kind of incentives Kia might give to make these more competitive until they get production in the U.S. going.
Comparing the EV9 to the EV6, remember the EV6 is priced too high right now. Kia dealerships are discounting them heavily and Kia is offering significant rebates. Before the rebates, the EV6s were just sitting on lots. And that kind of proves my point. The EV6 is one of the highest rated vehicles out there (I think consumer reports rated it higher than any other vehicle - ICE or EV) and it still was sitting on lots at $45k-$60k. With the EV9 between $55k-$75k, I just don't know if it will be popular.
@@TechnicallyJeff you may be right. I guess we’ll have to see how it goes.
Yep we'll see. I want it to sell well.
I will wait what Ioniq 7 brings. Range is issue because this uses old type battery still and not Lfp and range is not good especially thinking you need to be within 20-80% SOC to keep battery lifetime good. I would buy Rivian but it is not available in Europe.
Yeah I wish it had another 100 miles of range and LFP, though the regular lithium batteries don't do horrible with degradation with the battery management they have.
It will be interesting to see the 70mph range tests. But I'm thinking this is about 12k too high across the board. If it gets the 7500 tax credit, then it is about 5k too high for me to start thinking it is a good value.
There aren't a lot of other options in the 3 row EV space, so maybe that will help sales. It's easy to pass on an overpriced ev6 when you can just buy a model y and get a very similar vehicle.
Yeah I agree I'm curious how that will go. And yeah I'm right there with you on pricing.
Disagree on the Rivian comparison. The EV9 felt much nicer, has a dealer network benefit compared to Rivian, charging as you mentioned is better, the repairs and maintenance are better from what we know, and more equipment of course for the GTLine vs the base R1S. Not to mention the batteries are way better conditioned for hot and cold conditions.
Also the capability and range advantages are false at the entry level R1S.
I definitely agree the EV9 feels nice on the interior and the dealer network is convenient, though Kia dealerships leave a lot to be desired with EV service. Is there much more equipment for the GT-Line vs the base R1S? And I thought both had pretty solid battery conditioning?
We have a 2021 Palisade, and I was interested in how the EV9 would be priced. After seeing this, I am not too impressed. I like Hyundai products better anyway, so I will just wait until the Ioniq 7 comes out. Honestly, all the EV's are going to have to drop the prices in the next 2-3 years. Tesla keeps lowering the prices on their EV's, and to compete, others will have to do the same (although I would never buy a Tesla until they improve the quality of the products). Some of these prices are approaching BMW and Mercedes levels. I would much rather spend the money on those anyways. As much as I want to buy an EV, I will just wait until the market stabilizes the prices. I can afford to buy now, but I will just wait for the optimal time.
Yeah I agree. I am curious where prices will be in 2 years as more come out.
Once you add the necessary upgrades to the R1S you’re way higher, and please, Model X, arguably the worst built car in America.
Which necessary upgrades do you mean? The R1S with the large pack has about 100 more EPA miles of range for less than $10k more than a GT-Line EV9. As for the Model X, why do you say that? Have you been in one? I love the Model X. Decent space, lots of features, comfortable, quick, solid charging, solid range.
@@TechnicallyJeff Features, phantom range, and phantom braking do not make a superior car. Price dropping from $100k+ to under $80k and it’s still overpriced. I have not read a single first hand review of praise fir MX.
I wouldn't go that far for Tesla. Sure they have their critics and cynics, but without them, there would be no other EVs period. And have you driven and owned one? They're not as bad as people make them out to be. I have a lot of friends who own Teslas and I have driven all of them. I still prefer my EV6 for the drive quality but for software and self driving, Tesla is unmatched, untouchable in that area.
@@cyberathlete For “self driving”? Did you really throw that in as a benefit?
That Tesla pioneered adoption of EVs has zero to do with the lack of quality of the cars. Tesla is next to last in initial quality and 10th from the bottom in reliability. Kia is second from the top in reliability and top ten in initial quality. And the X is, by most accounts, the worst built Tesla.
Yep I agree. And I love the Model X, I have to say. It's comfortable, roomy, the windshield into glass roof is nice, and the gullwing doors are actually pretty nice, especially for kids and taller people.
I was looking forward to the EV9 but it is definitely a pass from me now that they have released the details. In addition to the cost, the main dealbreaker for me is the terrible range. You can only get decent range on the Light long range rwd. Basically you cant have the features I want without a much lower range. I liked my ev6 but ended up selling and getting an F150 lightning as i dont need 3rd row seating but it still has plenty of storage which was my only issue with the ev6.
Yeah I do wish they had a big battery pack version like other companies offer. Rivian offers a 180 kWh option. The lightning is nice. I just wish it charged faster personally but it's still a great vehicle.
I just got 250 miles of range at 55-70mph in the rain. Its good enough.
@@JonathanRootD that's solid. Which trim?
@@TechnicallyJeff Wind AWD
Nice. Definitely not bad range with rain.
What's the deal with the range, y'all? Do you really all drive that far in your everyday? Here in Europe the range is really a non-issue for most people. I prefer faster charging over sitting more hours in a car in a sitting anytime.
In the USA people regularly drive further than the range of our vehicles (regularly as in several times per year). In Europe I think it's probably different. For me as an example, we drive to Florida multiple times per year (800 miles or so).
@@TechnicallyJeff we also drive 900km to France or so for holidays, but that's really a non-issue with 800V charging.
Yeah it's not a huge deal by any means. But 270 miles vs 370 miles is fairly significant.
@@TechnicallyJeff the EV6 AWD makes 300 miles roughly and it's all on paper (WLTP); I can see though, why less range than an EV6 with a considerably bigger battery is an issue.
Yeah 300 miles isn't bad. Honestly 270 miles isn't bad. But to be honest, for me, if I were spending $75k+ on an EV SUV, I'd probably spend $85k-90k and get a R1S with 350-400 miles of range. That'd be better long term IMO.
You can now get a Model Y for under 50k not sure why anyone would pay 20k more for any other Ev.
The EV9 has a lot more space, so there's that. But if you don't need the space, yeah I don't see the value proposition of the EV9.
ya, all depends on your needs and how many people you are trying to fit into the car.
Yep very true
Just to correct a fact for you. A Model X doesn't qualify for the tax credit with either 6 ($86,490) or 7 seats ($83,490). If you want to compare the Model X in five seats then save yourself the money and buy a model Y or an EV 6. Now for the subjective stuff: The interior of the EV 9 is way nicer than any Tesla out there. The EV 9 has ultrasonic sensors for parking and a front camera for a true Birdseye view of your surroundings. The R1S with dual motors and standard pack gets only 260 miles of range and Rivians from what I've read at least under deliver on range. You can only get the Rivian in 4 colors and a black interior or 1 color with white interior and still meet the tax credit. The quality of materials past the 1st row is a sea of plastic in the Rivian. Then there's Apple/Google compatibility, level 3 autonomous driving possible whenever they decide to add the lidar sensors to the 2024 EV9 and V2H which Tesla is refusing to sign up for currently. I personally think it's priced well for what you get. I wish they could get 300 miles out of the GT line. If you really want the credit and don't live in Florida or TX or any other state that charges you full taxes at the beginning of the lease and at buy out, lease the EV9, and then pay it off immediately after lease initiation and get the full credit. Obviously not everyone can afford to do that...I live in TX so double boo for me.
Yeah definitely good points. I still have a hard time believing people will switch from a gas Telluride to the EV9 though
@@TechnicallyJeff I really don't know how the Internet made that connection unfortunately. EVs without Tesla represent a small fraction of vehicles sold in the US. It's still a very niche space. Terrible infrastructure, range anxiety, higher cost. KIA didn't market it as a Telluride alternative but the internet will do what it wants. I'm sure you're well aware that every manufacturer except Tesla is making EVs at a huge loss. I'm not sure how much more of a negative margin KIA can take. I guess we'll find out in 6 months to 1 year based on how much supply there is on the lots on what type of incentives KIA will come up with. I don't think you'll see a reduction in MSRP though.
@Irpilot yeah I definitely see where you're coming from. I think the Telluride comparison is natural though. They are both similar size three row suvs, one is just powered by gas and the other by electricity. I want the ev9 to be successful I just worry that at the price they are releasing it at people will be hesitant.
Yeah, way too high. I was really hoping to buy one for my wife, because I love my EV6 so much. Not gonna happen at that price point, tho.
Yep exactly the same for me
Agreed that it’s too high. Like you said, the competition from ice alternatives and Tesla is too much.
Yep it's hard to see the big benefit.
Tesla is 20ke more.
@@MrRaitzi Model X starts at $72k after the tax credit.
@@TechnicallyJeff depends entirely on country
Ah yes. This video was specific to the USA
What logical person would put themselves in a 60k to 70k debt. I don’t understand these Auto companies. I love EV’s and yes it’s the future. But really ? I’m keeping my car till the wheels fall off.
Eh it depends on each person's situation. If people can afford it, 60k-70k is fine. It's just what you get for that price.
@@TechnicallyJeff I agree with you. I’m part of the middle class here in the USA. I have what most would consider a really good paying job and so does the wife. But Geez. Anything over $60k is a lot for 80% of the people I know. And even though I have almost perfect credit score. The interest rates are sky high. Great channel. Be well💪
Yeah I definitely agree. I can't justify a 75k vehicle. And thank you!
Keeping your car as long as possible is always the best financial decision. And agree that you should be buying cars with cash right now. Some people have changing needs as they navigate through life, and sometimes changing cars adds a lot of value to your day to day life.
Yeah it definitely depends on the person and situation.
1000kWh free charging is like nothing.. with 100kWh battery, that's about ten free full charges and you're done... Prefer Hyundai's model, where it's 2-years of free EA charging...
Eh I wouldn't say nothing. It gives you like you said about 10 free charges for road trips. On my EV6 after 1.5 years I'm not even halfway through my 1000 kWh. Though I would prefer the unlimited charging for a couple years like a few others have.