But remember they also said its a game of wit so angling Lucifer to become the exact opposite of hope shakes their very foundation and hurts their resolve and their purpose of getting out of hell.
Yeah, but it’s not like you could have a second fight using the same game. If you already know what the result will be. This isn’t a game of chess. This is literally just one single ending every single time.
God I loved this line so much because it's so true. How can you make someone suffer if you don't hold out the dream (and therefore HOPE) of something better over them?
They're basically gods. Sure they can one-up each other but they experience everything... when Lucifer said he was a nova, Dream literally felt a star exploding in his face....
What stop them from throwing whatever is anti-life at the beginning. Do dream would insta win if he said hope? I think its a stupid way of fighting unless you assume that there are tons of rules behind that are beyond human understanding.
@ecchiRhino99 If Lucifer starts with anti life, then Dream can just continue with the Univers, all live embracing and then beating Lucifer on move 1. And Hope can't defeat a wolf. There's more depth that it appears when you think of it, the only rule being you probably can't repeat something already said, so you need to be careful when to use some concept. Start with death, reply with life and you win since you used death already.
@@dragosiacob4845 you know whats cringe, Heckling strangers on the Internet because they find meaning outside of "Adult" responsibility. Get a life bro
I thinks it’s interesting how initially Dream tries to match Lucifer with dark concepts (Wolf slayer, Eagle) but realises he’ll never outdo the darkness of the devil and instead focusses on life and light and the stuff dreams are made of. Like only by being his true self can he win his helm back
Not just that but he uses Lucifer’s primordial nature against him. Lucifer’s moniker literally means Bringer of Hope in this mythos. Hope is part of their primordial nature so they can’t destroy hope without basically destroying a part of their own being.
@@bobzcruz Wolves and snakes aren’t evil either, their just part of nature. My point is initially he matches the devil in trying to violently subdue the other, realise that doesn’t work, then changes tack and wins
This actually reminds me a bit of Tolkien, and the contest in songs of power by Sauron and elf-lord Finrod :) he too used the good concepts to counter the dark ones..... "Thus befell the contest of Sauron and Felagund which is renowned. For Felagund strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the King was very great; but Sauron had the mastery, as is told in the Lay of Leithian: He chanted a song of wizardry, Of piercing, opening, of treachery, Revealing, uncovering, betraying. Then sudden Felagund there swaying, Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken, freedom, escape; Of changing and of shifting shape, Of snares eluded, broken traps, The prison opening, the chain that snaps."
Kicked out for Rebellion, along with a 1/3 Hosts of Heaven. Deemed to forever test Man for all the wrongs they've done. Then remind them why they are never going to be good enough to stand before Father in Heaven.
That last bit about Dream having no power in Hell. He concedes yet also threatens to withdraw the gift of dreams from Hell. Which would be utter disaster for Hell. Hope is the seed, and a dream is its fruit. That threat is how he leaves ... unharmed and unopposed.
In the comics, this ends up happening anyway. Dream plants the seed, and Lucifer ends up realizing he'll never return to the Silver City, and abandons Hell.
It was a trick trying to psyche Dream into submitting. Kine of like a contract where were Dream to submit, it would be like signing his name on the dotted line. But Dream being him, he outsmarts Lucifer again by holding his own dream of seeing heaven again out in front of him.
Many viewers in the comments missed the major point as to why Lucifer cannot kill hope. That is because Lucifer themself HOPE to get out of hell. If they kill hope, then they kill their DREAM of getting out of hell. It's the perfect counter to anything Lucifer could throw at Dream because it would be a massive self-inflicted wound.
There's another reason as well. In the DC Comics - which The Sandman is a part of - Lucifer is also described as the Lightbringer, which is another way to say "the bringer of hope." Lucifer can't kill hope because they were meant to bring it to all living beings - hope is just a part of their primordial nature. So Lucifer would not only have to destory their own dreams, but also a part of themself.
it's not just a battle of concepts that kill each other its a battle of wits and one angle is making them use a concept they are opposed to that whittles down their resolve and thus quit the game thus losing.
Lmao if you would’ve read Sandman then you would know the game was between Dream and Choronzon not Lucifer, Lucifer doesn’t “hope” to leave hell, he abandoned his thrown and is walking on earth in the comic, Dream is terrified of Lucifer
Dream is Dream. He's not the god Morpheus, or the body he's walking around in. He is every dream of everyone everywhere, and all dreams are of him and from him. His library contains every book anyone has ever conceived of writing, but never completed. Even imagination and daydreams are his domain. What he's threatening to do to Lucifer if they don't back off is remove the ability of every fallen angel, *including* Lucifer, to dream of or imagine Heaven and their former glory. That's why Lucifer flinches away at Dream's threat. He's also threatening to remove the ability of the damned in Hell to dream of Heaven, which is to say they would not be able to conceive of anything better than the Hell they're in. If they can't imagine a better world, any torment is just the status quo. It removes most of their ability to torture the damned if they think they're in the best of all possible worlds.
You don't need to be so textbook like in this interpretation... What Morpheus alkudes to is simple. All he is threatening is Lucifer's dream - of going back to Heaven one day
Dream of the Endless is also according to Sandman I is all incarnations of deities that represent Dream. I think one of his children does have the name of a minor dream deity but lorewise nor wrong
Well, the Anti-life is more than that. Is the living concept of predetermination, the absolute idea that there is no free will. And is also an equation that can destroy every bit of self in any who gets hit by it's knowledge. It's also the thing that turned Mobius the Antimonitor completely crazy (since his universe has no free will) and the thing Darkseid seeks the most.
Also, ironically, is the thing that Lucifer hates with all his soul. He has always tried to escape predestination but has always fail (except at the end of his comic line, of course). The funny thing here is that Lucifer uses it as a weapon against Dream because as much as he hates it... he believes in it. He has always struggle against but always failed to escape it and he has learned that he would never be able to win. It's like a twisted cosmic version of learned helplessness.
Some cosmology? As much as it is Gaiman's unique storytelling, it was also an IP he created for DC which was later merged as part of its 52 Worlds post-original Crisis. So it pretty much _was_ wholly DC cosmology at the time the show was made. Some retcons since have stripped the Endless lore and reduced them to basic gods.
This scene was mind blowing with the scale of how quickly they escalated it to best the other. Dream certainly knew he would most likely barely escape with his life, if he didn’t lead Satan on to stick with the focus of ‘force’ as their move, before jumping to the theoretical meaning of existence. Well played
And there shall always be hope. Hope that your account does not veer in the red. Hope that your job offers you a raise to prosper. Hope that your life has a meaningful course. Hope that everything ends as cleanly as possible.
Then you should have went into a trade like plumbing, electrician, heating and cooling. Myself I was the explosives engineer in an underground mine making 140000 a year 13 years ago, and 90000 the 10 years before that. I qualified on every job they had and could run any machine. I only had 2 years of college.
Umm aktchewally 🤓... antibiotics, such as cell wall disrupting Beta lactam antibiotics, are merely weapons used by living cells. 🤓 If the subject is an antibiotic alone, without a host immune system, the antibiotic would have no affect on the bacterium. 🤓 I am smart.
Fun fact: As Lucifer is describing himself what he is. A wolf, A snake, a pestilence of life, a nova of cremation, the beast of judgement: anti - life darkness at the end of time.
Quite the opposite, that last line by dream was actually Lucifer. The "light bringer" was meant to represent hope and for Lucifer to defeat hope would be for him to admit defeat. So she just refuses to continue playing all together.
A battle of wits, intelligence and reality warping. One of the best battles between essentially gods I’ve ever seen. (Dream isn’t really a god nor is Lucifer but their powers put them on that scale to me) and I was extremely amazed. Instead of fighting with their abilities and their fists, they fought with their minds.
this is hands down the greatest fight scene i ever scene between too god it was soo clever and interesting it was like a battle of the minds i rewinded it twice to watch it ... that HOPE LIne that DREAM therew at her in the end was BEYOND EPIC and when lucifer decided for him not to leavae and the DREAM saying "WHAT kind of POWER would hell even have if no won can dream heaven ? wow what a line ....that got me speechless such a awesome scene mad props to the writers
you know if dream removes everybody of the dream and hope we would all be straight going to hell and lucifer would have to fight everybody to stay as ruler of hell. that's why Dreams threat was surreal to lucifer.
I will always love, love, love the way they changed this up from the comics. In the comics, it was just addressed to the gathered hordes of hell, but here, it is a very personal stab at Lucifer and Gwen absolutely SELLS it with her facial expressions. The shock, the anger, the despair...just flickering from one to the next when Dream twists that knife with his delivery of the famous line. The cheeky little bow without breaking eye contact and without lowering his head...Dream is often described as cold, cruel and arrogant, and they have managed to put all of that on brilliant display here in the space of a few seconds, the perfect example of "show, don't tell".
I love how much in abject denial Lucifer is about their situation. They're constantly and rather childishly dealing in absolutes when they know the universe doesn't run on them.
Just Managers at the best of titles go. CEO, Owner, CFO, and Board of Directors go to other factions that are in charge of keeping the show running... or this Manufacturing plant running.
I love that to escape bacteria, Dream seems to understand Lucifer's stradegy. And decides to become something bigger. Something you can't turn ill or kill. But what you can destroy- he is just seeing if Lucifer would be willing to do it. And Lucifer is. But at the end, when Dream says hope- something you can destroy or take away. Something everyone has. It is only until you youself don't believe in having it. To kill it is to say that the game has ended for both of them- that there is no hope for anyone left. And Lucifer can't do that to himself. (Nor to anyone in his realm- as that is the point of hell. To torture the souls that dream and hope to one day escape it.)
There was an answer to hope but Dream cornered Lucifer into being unable to say it. What beats hope is Judgement - hope crushing, freedom ending. Lucifer couldn't say that out loud because it would mean that God's judgement of Lucifer successfully crushed all of his hope at being loved again, so he conceded the battle rather than being forced to admit that.
“Well Lightbringer, it’s your move, what is it that kills hope?” She can’t say the answer because if she becomes reality, then she loses that small hope that one day she could return to heaven.
I don't get this take. If Lucifer says reality, then Lucifer becomes one with creation, is what I would take away from it. And since lucifer is the very symbol of separation from reality (the father of lies) Lucifer would quite litterally sieze to exist and return to (become one with) God. That's why Lucifer won't say it. Not because Lucifer hopes to return to heaven. Lucifer doesn't want to. Lucifer would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.
@@LoreFriendlyMusic that’s a interesting take, the reason I still believe reality is the correct answer is the face she made when Morpheus brought up what if nobody could dream about heaven? I think that version of Lucifer, despite knowing what they did, still often dreams about being up in heaven again, maybe not as a servant of God but just being there. When somebody is in jail, even if they run the jail, they will often think about home. If she became reality, that would shatter all the hope she has of returning to heaven, and even for the Devil, that’s the one thing that she has left, the only thing. That’s at least how I look at it, and I see it as something truly special. The way the battle was fought and the way the battle was won. Morpheus, went with the universe and She went with the death with the universe, only thing would to be the concept of hope. ((It’s just my opinion, I watched that fight quite a few times and that’s all I got from it. Not trying to change your mind or saying your view is wrong.))
@@isaac15752 He is bound to hell. That is his current reality. I don't think reality really kills hope in the first place. Hope might not necessarily be at odds with it.
@@LoreFriendlyMusic In the Sandman continuity, Lucifer wants freedom. They want freedom from God's plan, freedom from Hell. They don't want to return to Heaven, they don't care about lies and damning humans. They want absolute freedom. And becoming something that destroys Hope to win the game would be to admit that their core desire, the very core of their being, cannot be fullfilled. That they can never hope to be free from the plan of thheir Father, everything is already set, they are just playing a part in an already written story. Which is something that Lucifer simply cannot accept, that they are too prideful to admit and afraid to even think about. Because it would undermine everything that they are. They most likely know what it is that kills Hope, they could do it, but in doing so they would be destroying themselves. That's why Lucifer does not respond and is forced to surrender, they could have won but the cost would have been too high, because during the game both Dream an d Lucifer are actually transforming and feeling the consequences of the creatures and concepts that they choose.
Perhaps, but the point is that Lucifer themselves have hope and to fight/defeat hope is to destroy the hope inside them. That is why Lucifer relents and why the line about those trapped in hell dreaming of heaven got to them, because they speak about Lucifer just as much as any other in hell.
Yet there will always be hope that the depression goes away their will always be hope that light will break through the darkness and rescue those imprisoned by it. Hope cannot be defeated except by that which Created it.
Depression is the despair about the fact that it should be better. There is no depression if there was no light to compare it to. And even the culmination of depression, its final symptom, süïcïde, is the hope for the pain to end. Which is why people with plans are relieved. The thing that kills hope could possibly be dystopia. No hope. Just misery, dystopia does not provide any light.
I actually preferred the graphic novel version...Dream is surrounded by the angry minions of hell. He utters the line about dreams in hell.. And the crowd immediately backs away and allows him safe passage
Hope can be beaten with despair but if lucifer decided to use that that's means he agreed he will never beat God and never obtained heaven So, magnificent
I have never seen a better representation of gods fighting. So much of media depicts gods with flashy moves, and brawling power. But what is physical confrontation? Just an exchange of energy between matter. gods can be depicted as so much more than that. And that is why i love this scene. It shows that they can become.
hell, the hopelessness at the end of life, the enteral prison of suffering, the one place hope can never touch, and I think at some level the Lightbringer knows that but would never admit to it, less despair takes them.
That's not quite true, though, is it? After all, Nada had hope that her Kai'ckul would rescue her. And, per her own words, that hope remained unabated after Dream's passing. Do you believe she is alone?
Gaiman's a genius. Even the choice of moves are in sync with the entity...lucifer choosing rabidness/ aggression (wolf), venom (serpent), decay (bacterium), destruction (nova) and nothingness vs. Dream's nobility (huntsman), glory (eagle), nurture/ nature (world), eternity (universe) and ultimately...hope. ❤❤❤
They wanted to do the Hellfire Club scene from the comic, but they didn't want to pay Squirrel Nut Zippers royalties for the only possible soundtrack for it.
So at my best guess. the rules are the challenger goes first. which puts them at a damage disadvantage but also they get to "Set the scale". which we see lucifer do at 1:10 where instead of being on single creature basis she goes to a more global / general concept of bacteria, and again at 1:33 where she goes to a cosmic scale which in turn allows dream to suggest counters of a planet, and a universe. It would seem each "Player" can chose to either attack, or Heal. during their turn. and whilst healing heals their "Physical body" it allows the opponent to take another attack. They do this until either one player "Defeats" the physical body or they cannot think of an appropriate counter to whatever move was previously played. So to give an example of a physical defeat which almost happens to dream at 2:40, One player could suggest they are a flower, the next player could then say they are "Winter".. Freezing the flower and thus freezing the other opponent. with the other opponent being unable to continue due to being litterally frozen. thus loosing. Where a mental defeat is what ultimately defeats lucifer since as the "Lightbringer" and knowing that Hope and dreams do infact rule over hell. gets stumped and ends up conceding.. Now I would take some assumptions but I would say that the game can only go to the "Scale" it did cause lucifer and dream are litterally gods pretty much. So they are not only able to imagine such concepts but understand what it would be like to physically be them. thus they are able to use those concepts in their attacks. Where as Dream seems confident in defeating the demon lord.. because the demonlord is inheriently not as powerful as dream. sooo the demon probably cant picture himself as "A nova" or "Antilife" like lucifer can. thus limiting the "Scale" that he can fight at. but then likewise since the demon would be the challenger(and thus able to set the overal power of attacks) dream wouldnt be allowed to go to that scale anyway. (So he was probably just confident in beating him mentally, where lucifer he knows is more intelligent and powerful) These rules also explain why dream dosnt just use "Hope" from the start as lucifer didnt change the scale of the fight to the "Metaphysical" level until she played "After life" thus allowing metaphysical concepts to be played by dream.
"You say I have no power here. Perhaps you speak truly. But to say dreams have no power in Hell. Tell me Lucifer Morningstar, what power would Hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of Heaven?" The BEST shut down line I've ever heard. Also you can tell of Lucifer's expression that they realize Morpheus is right.
i am stupidity. your silly concepts of hope, despair, desire and whatnot are meaningless in my presence. i am timeless and unstoppable, no god, devil or human can destroy me. i am the one true constant of all creation. i am... . . . . . . . the US of fcking A!!!!!! (eagle fly)
I am a failure, squashing all hope. - I am the dot at the end of the sentence. - I am the ignorance, that forgets the dot - I am the truth, that perserveres the ignorance - I am the observer, who missess the truth etc, etc, etc - then I am etc
Cut out major part of scene, where new Raven BELIEVES in Morpheous, giving him HOPE needed to defeat crushing weight of ANTI-LIFE. Because all these forces exist in BALANCE, so Lucifer must not ever defeat hope, otherwise he/she/it will cease to exist, along with all of Creation. He/She/It knows that, that's why he abstained from further fighting. Worthy successor of comics series of Sandman, in my honest opinion :)
“I am a dire wolf, prey-stalking, lethal prowler.” “I am a hunter, horse-mounted, wolf-stabbing.” “I am a horsefly, horse-stinging, hunter-throwing. “I am a spider, fly-consuming, eight legged.” “ I am a snake, spider-devouring, posion-toothed.” “I am an ox, snake-crushing, heavy-footed.” “I am an anthrax, butcher bacterium, warm-life destroying.” “I am a world, space-floating, life-nurturing.” “I am a nova, all-exploding... planet-cremating.” “I am the Universe -- all things encompassing, all life embracing.” “I am Anti-Life, the Beast of Judgment. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of universes, gods, worlds... of everything. And what will you be then, Dreamlord?” “I am hope.”
@@vidwatcher365I am subcosciouness, the non material and abstract brain part, which exists since always till eternity, and cannot die when people clinically die. Human biololgy and other sciences are not capable to explain and analyse mathemathically what I am made of and where I am going after the person dies clinically. I exist in dimension where there is no time in classic form. I am both past, present and futher forever. ❤
This was like watching math go from simple to complex at an accelerated rate. I was like, "Super nova, wait! I was just a bird!!! Hold up, hold up, HOOLLLD UPP!!!"
Honestly, while God and Lucifer are more conventionally powerful than the Endless, even they can't destroy them entirely. God had a 'Dream' and a 'Desire' to create the universe, which led to 'Death', 'Destiny', and 'Destruction'. And Destruction will lead to 'Despair'.
lucifer, cannot kill hope because, killing hope is a hope in itself, therefore its a self afflicting move it cannot do. the last sentence in the video explains, when said if dream has any power in hell
@@isaac15752 What kills hope? Answer is Determination. Determination in being firm in your purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you dont need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing. You know what the worst thing in Pandora's box was? It wasn't the sorrows, destruction, wars, or plagues. It was hope itself. Hope's a gamble, Hope lacks certainty, Hope drive people to madness, because you gave up. You have nothing else, no way to fight, or lean on and so hope is the cruelest one of all. We can look in our history and it was determination that made the outcomes. Be it good or bad. Destroying the others person's hope.
@@nhyirakev5296 I am Determination. Determination in being firm in my purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you do not need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing.
that would be lovely. if only humans would give each other love instrad of hatresness, there would be no Hell. humans forgot about that powerful force which cannot be expained with mathematical analysis, but we all felt this force which Love ❤
One of the things i appreciate about this fight is the use of both defensive and offensive moves. Dream starts off "offensively" until Lucifer starts to do more damage. After that, he remains "defensive" (replenishing himself) until the very end of the challenge.
@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am Love. All - Enduring. Truth - Exalting. Ever - Patient. Slow to Anger. Kindness - Embracing. Disdaining of Envy. Uncaring of Boast. Greatest of the Three."
People see a great movie scene here but as for me I see something much more deeper and subliminal. They both use the power of “I AM” and as shown here in the scene. So anything they say after saying “I AM” they become it. Is t that true for the spiritual too because whatever we cast out in the universe same is sure to manifest itself in this realm as reality. I am aware that most won’t see what I’m saying and probably make fun of what I say or even say I’m looking too deep but idc. What we know as reality is only a fabricated narrative intentionally created to make us docile and stop us from evolving understanding who we are.
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"What kills hope?"
"Iam a minimum wage job, hope crushing, debt unfulfilling.
😂
Hilarious 😂
“Soul crushing, happiness killing, never ending”
It's lit bro😂
Damn
I love how their fight is a literal fight using concepts. Especially Dream using concepts to fight concepts when he himself is a concept.
But remember they also said its a game of wit so angling Lucifer to become the exact opposite of hope shakes their very foundation and hurts their resolve and their purpose of getting out of hell.
That and hope is intangible, whereas the other methods used were physical.
Because you have no taste
Yeah, but it’s not like you could have a second fight using the same game. If you already know what the result will be. This isn’t a game of chess. This is literally just one single ending every single time.
@@DragonMasta99 SO WHO EVER GETS TO HOPE FIRST xD
What power does Hell have over the damned, if they cannot dream of Heaven?
One of the best Wham lines that doubles as a subtle The Reason You Suck
God I loved this line so much because it's so true. How can you make someone suffer if you don't hold out the dream (and therefore HOPE) of something better over them?
Dead Boy Detectives actually has a character that perfectly encompasses why this works because you can actually earn your way out of Hell
Absolutely butchered in the show.
The Ruler of Hell was it's first prisoner.
So can dream take away that dream? Thus taking hell’s power all together
This felt like two kids saying bigger and bigger numbers till one goes “infinity” and then the other goes “infinity +1”
They're basically gods. Sure they can one-up each other but they experience everything... when Lucifer said he was a nova, Dream literally felt a star exploding in his face....
What stop them from throwing whatever is anti-life at the beginning. Do dream would insta win if he said hope?
I think its a stupid way of fighting unless you assume that there are tons of rules behind that are beyond human understanding.
@@ecchiRhino99 hope wouldn't beat a direwolf
@ecchiRhino99 If Lucifer starts with anti life, then Dream can just continue with the Univers, all live embracing and then beating Lucifer on move 1.
And Hope can't defeat a wolf.
There's more depth that it appears when you think of it, the only rule being you probably can't repeat something already said, so you need to be careful when to use some concept. Start with death, reply with life and you win since you used death already.
Infinity + 1 isn't actually bigger than Infinity
"I am a universe, all things encompassing, all life embracing" that line hits me every time
And then Lucifer just casually pulls out the thing Darkseid built his entire existence seeking for 😂
Well, Darkseid is nowhere close to Lucifer's level.
The way he said it too
Gives me chills every time
Superb voice acting
Oh really now? 😢 It hits yiu eVErY time? Boo how amazing lol all oh you in the comments are so cringe and corny also adults smh
@@dragosiacob4845 you know whats cringe,
Heckling strangers on the Internet because they find meaning outside of "Adult" responsibility. Get a life bro
I thinks it’s interesting how initially Dream tries to match Lucifer with dark concepts (Wolf slayer, Eagle) but realises he’ll never outdo the darkness of the devil and instead focusses on life and light and the stuff dreams are made of. Like only by being his true self can he win his helm back
Not just that but he uses Lucifer’s primordial nature against him. Lucifer’s moniker literally means Bringer of Hope in this mythos. Hope is part of their primordial nature so they can’t destroy hope without basically destroying a part of their own being.
@@princeytron That’s genius. There’s literally so many layers to this scene
He is not a wolf hunter, he is a knight like Saint George. Neither the hunter nor the eagle are dark concepts.
@@bobzcruz Wolves and snakes aren’t evil either, their just part of nature. My point is initially he matches the devil in trying to violently subdue the other, realise that doesn’t work, then changes tack and wins
This actually reminds me a bit of Tolkien, and the contest in songs of power by Sauron and elf-lord Finrod :) he too used the good concepts to counter the dark ones.....
"Thus befell the contest of Sauron and Felagund which is renowned. For Felagund strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the King was very great; but Sauron had the mastery, as is told in the Lay of Leithian:
He chanted a song of wizardry,
Of piercing, opening, of treachery,
Revealing, uncovering, betraying.
Then sudden Felagund there swaying,
Sang in answer a song of staying,
Resisting, battling against power,
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower,
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape;
Of changing and of shifting shape,
Of snares eluded, broken traps,
The prison opening, the chain that snaps."
"Tell me Lucifer Morningstar, what power would Hell have if one couldn't dream of heaven"
Coldest "back off" moment I have heard in a minute
Kicked out for Rebellion, along with a 1/3 Hosts of Heaven. Deemed to forever test Man for all the wrongs they've done. Then remind them why they are never going to be good enough to stand before Father in Heaven.
That last bit about Dream having no power in Hell.
He concedes yet also threatens to withdraw the gift of dreams from Hell.
Which would be utter disaster for Hell.
Hope is the seed, and a dream is its fruit.
That threat is how he leaves ... unharmed and unopposed.
In the comics, this ends up happening anyway. Dream plants the seed, and Lucifer ends up realizing he'll never return to the Silver City, and abandons Hell.
It was a trick trying to psyche Dream into submitting. Kine of like a contract where were Dream to submit, it would be like signing his name on the dotted line. But Dream being him, he outsmarts Lucifer again by holding his own dream of seeing heaven again out in front of him.
One of the coolest battles I’ve ever seen between deities. How else would they fight but on an unimaginable scale in the metaphysical and physical etc
U should see the Jibril fight in the library in no game no life
Wtf? You gotta be kidding this is the gayest shit ever
Technically not deities… but still cool. If I remember correctly the comic was way different.
It's a turn based rpg😂
Book battle was WAY better , worth checking out .
Many viewers in the comments missed the major point as to why Lucifer cannot kill hope. That is because Lucifer themself HOPE to get out of hell. If they kill hope, then they kill their DREAM of getting out of hell. It's the perfect counter to anything Lucifer could throw at Dream because it would be a massive self-inflicted wound.
There's another reason as well.
In the DC Comics - which The Sandman is a part of - Lucifer is also described as the Lightbringer, which is another way to say "the bringer of hope."
Lucifer can't kill hope because they were meant to bring it to all living beings - hope is just a part of their primordial nature.
So Lucifer would not only have to destory their own dreams, but also a part of themself.
it's not just a battle of concepts that kill each other its a battle of wits and one angle is making them use a concept they are opposed to that whittles down their resolve and thus quit the game thus losing.
@JohnnyStorm1988check the credits of the series. Check who wrote it.
@@TheCursedCat1927reminds me of that tune Lucifer son of the morning I'm gonna chase your dreams away.
Lmao if you would’ve read Sandman then you would know the game was between Dream and Choronzon not Lucifer, Lucifer doesn’t “hope” to leave hell, he abandoned his thrown and is walking on earth in the comic, Dream is terrified of Lucifer
Dream is Dream. He's not the god Morpheus, or the body he's walking around in. He is every dream of everyone everywhere, and all dreams are of him and from him. His library contains every book anyone has ever conceived of writing, but never completed. Even imagination and daydreams are his domain. What he's threatening to do to Lucifer if they don't back off is remove the ability of every fallen angel, *including* Lucifer, to dream of or imagine Heaven and their former glory. That's why Lucifer flinches away at Dream's threat.
He's also threatening to remove the ability of the damned in Hell to dream of Heaven, which is to say they would not be able to conceive of anything better than the Hell they're in. If they can't imagine a better world, any torment is just the status quo. It removes most of their ability to torture the damned if they think they're in the best of all possible worlds.
You don't need to be so textbook like in this interpretation...
What Morpheus alkudes to is simple. All he is threatening is Lucifer's dream - of going back to Heaven one day
@@caniblmolstr452no, i think both are incredibly true. The dream of heaven is powerful for many reasons
There is nothing more scary then an enemy with nothing left to lose
@@caniblmolstr452you sound almost offended. But you didn't have to read his analysis. Go elsewhere.
Dream of the Endless is also according to Sandman I is all incarnations of deities that represent Dream. I think one of his children does have the name of a minor dream deity but lorewise nor wrong
Reminder: This series has some DC cosmology. Hope is an element of light. And Anti-life is the black void of all light.
Lol no
@@highlandusYes, it's DC
Well, the Anti-life is more than that. Is the living concept of predetermination, the absolute idea that there is no free will. And is also an equation that can destroy every bit of self in any who gets hit by it's knowledge.
It's also the thing that turned Mobius the Antimonitor completely crazy (since his universe has no free will) and the thing Darkseid seeks the most.
Also, ironically, is the thing that Lucifer hates with all his soul. He has always tried to escape predestination but has always fail (except at the end of his comic line, of course). The funny thing here is that Lucifer uses it as a weapon against Dream because as much as he hates it... he believes in it. He has always struggle against but always failed to escape it and he has learned that he would never be able to win. It's like a twisted cosmic version of learned helplessness.
Some cosmology?
As much as it is Gaiman's unique storytelling, it was also an IP he created for DC which was later merged as part of its 52 Worlds post-original Crisis.
So it pretty much _was_ wholly DC cosmology at the time the show was made. Some retcons since have stripped the Endless lore and reduced them to basic gods.
This scene was mind blowing with the scale of how quickly they escalated it to best the other. Dream certainly knew he would most likely barely escape with his life, if he didn’t lead Satan on to stick with the focus of ‘force’ as their move, before jumping to the theoretical meaning of existence. Well played
I am....student loan debt. Money consuming, poverty inducing, dream crushing.....
And there shall always be hope. Hope that your account does not veer in the red. Hope that your job offers you a raise to prosper. Hope that your life has a meaningful course. Hope that everything ends as cleanly as possible.
@@TheKueiJin very true!
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Then you should have went into a trade like plumbing, electrician, heating and cooling. Myself I was the explosives engineer in an underground mine making 140000 a year 13 years ago, and 90000 the 10 years before that. I qualified on every job they had and could run any machine. I only had 2 years of college.
@@shanemitchell477 You really can't take a joke can you? I don't have student loan debt.
After the bacterium, I thought Dream would say “I am an antibiotic. All deleting of microorganisms.”
Or a virus.
Umm aktchewally 🤓...
antibiotics, such as cell wall disrupting Beta lactam antibiotics, are merely weapons used by living cells.
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If the subject is an antibiotic alone, without a host immune system, the antibiotic would have no affect on the bacterium.
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I am smart.
Antibiotic resistant bacteria exist and are a growing problem
"I am...antibiotic resistance. Disease spreading, health destroying."
“I am an anti-vaxxer, medicine denying, brain atrophying.”
This is one of those games of rock paper scissors that gets out of hand after some asshole calls lava.
Na you crazy 😂where did lava come from
Fun fact: As Lucifer is describing himself what he is. A wolf, A snake, a pestilence of life, a nova of cremation, the beast of judgement: anti - life darkness at the end of time.
Quite the opposite, that last line by dream was actually Lucifer. The "light bringer" was meant to represent hope and for Lucifer to defeat hope would be for him to admit defeat. So she just refuses to continue playing all together.
@@jonedavila5954 Give him his Helmet!
I think it’s more like lucifer hopes to escape gods prison, so to accept that hope is beatable means to resign to his/her fate.
It works on many levels, it is also the plot of Overture tbh
@@MegaAshfirethat's the true answer
A battle of wits, intelligence and reality warping. One of the best battles between essentially gods I’ve ever seen. (Dream isn’t really a god nor is Lucifer but their powers put them on that scale to me) and I was extremely amazed. Instead of fighting with their abilities and their fists, they fought with their minds.
Dream: “I am Lucifer, king of hell”.
Lucifer: “Yeah, I’ll give you this one…”
this is hands down the greatest fight scene i ever scene between too god it was soo clever and interesting it was like a battle of the minds
i rewinded it twice to watch it ... that HOPE LIne that DREAM therew at her in the end was BEYOND EPIC
and when lucifer decided for him not to leavae and the DREAM saying
"WHAT kind of POWER would hell even have if no won can dream heaven ?
wow what a line ....that got me speechless
such a awesome scene mad props to the writers
Yes and Lucifer would lose any hope of over throwing god ……or dream of it
you know if dream removes everybody of the dream and hope we would all be straight going to hell and lucifer would have to fight everybody to stay as ruler of hell. that's why Dreams threat was surreal to lucifer.
Its like 2 Uchihas using Mangekyou Sharingan at each other😅😂😂❤❤
When they said "War of Words", they weren't joking. A simply spell here and there, is nothing compared to a Genesis or a Wish.
@@AsisSamsuhang No hopes, no dreams, all rebelling.
Dream's voice is my current obsession.. Tom sturridge is stunning!!
48:35 first episode. The way he says "what" as well as the rest of the line. It's always stood out to me.
I will always love, love, love the way they changed this up from the comics. In the comics, it was just addressed to the gathered hordes of hell, but here, it is a very personal stab at Lucifer and Gwen absolutely SELLS it with her facial expressions. The shock, the anger, the despair...just flickering from one to the next when Dream twists that knife with his delivery of the famous line. The cheeky little bow without breaking eye contact and without lowering his head...Dream is often described as cold, cruel and arrogant, and they have managed to put all of that on brilliant display here in the space of a few seconds, the perfect example of "show, don't tell".
Also, in the comic the duel was directly between Dream and Choronzon, not Lucifer.
I love how much in abject denial Lucifer is about their situation. They're constantly and rather childishly dealing in absolutes when they know the universe doesn't run on them.
Just Managers at the best of titles go.
CEO, Owner, CFO, and Board of Directors go to other factions that are in charge of keeping the show running... or this Manufacturing plant running.
"True hope is swift and flies with swallow wings. Of Kings it makes Gods and meaner creatures Kings." - Shakespeare.
my favorite comment on hope comes from the comic fables. " never forget, hope fights for both sides."
I love that to escape bacteria, Dream seems to understand Lucifer's stradegy. And decides to become something bigger. Something you can't turn ill or kill. But what you can destroy- he is just seeing if Lucifer would be willing to do it. And Lucifer is.
But at the end, when Dream says hope- something you can destroy or take away. Something everyone has. It is only until you youself don't believe in having it. To kill it is to say that the game has ended for both of them- that there is no hope for anyone left.
And Lucifer can't do that to himself. (Nor to anyone in his realm- as that is the point of hell. To torture the souls that dream and hope to one day escape it.)
"What kills hope?"
"I am the microsoft blue screen of death: term paper consuming, job presentation losing, backup data corrupting..."
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Hope for a better day
"I am..... Crowdstrike."
Lucifers one shot at taking Heaven is Hope... Even Lucifer knew that there wasn't a trump card after that
There was an answer to hope but Dream cornered Lucifer into being unable to say it. What beats hope is Judgement - hope crushing, freedom ending. Lucifer couldn't say that out loud because it would mean that God's judgement of Lucifer successfully crushed all of his hope at being loved again, so he conceded the battle rather than being forced to admit that.
@@oklafornia3643well i mean there's always a rejudge?, he can always hope to be rejudge
Creativity beats Judgement
What about a Donald Trump card ya ain't beating that 😂
@@oklafornia3643 Death beats hope. You can't have hope or dreams if you're dead
“Well Lightbringer, it’s your move, what is it that kills hope?” She can’t say the answer because if she becomes reality, then she loses that small hope that one day she could return to heaven.
I don't get this take. If Lucifer says reality, then Lucifer becomes one with creation, is what I would take away from it. And since lucifer is the very symbol of separation from reality (the father of lies) Lucifer would quite litterally sieze to exist and return to (become one with) God. That's why Lucifer won't say it. Not because Lucifer hopes to return to heaven. Lucifer doesn't want to. Lucifer would rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.
@@LoreFriendlyMusic that’s a interesting take, the reason I still believe reality is the correct answer is the face she made when Morpheus brought up what if nobody could dream about heaven? I think that version of Lucifer, despite knowing what they did, still often dreams about being up in heaven again, maybe not as a servant of God but just being there. When somebody is in jail, even if they run the jail, they will often think about home. If she became reality, that would shatter all the hope she has of returning to heaven, and even for the Devil, that’s the one thing that she has left, the only thing. That’s at least how I look at it, and I see it as something truly special. The way the battle was fought and the way the battle was won. Morpheus, went with the universe and She went with the death with the universe, only thing would to be the concept of hope. ((It’s just my opinion, I watched that fight quite a few times and that’s all I got from it. Not trying to change your mind or saying your view is wrong.))
@@LoreFriendlyMusicno, if lucifer says reality, then he is bound to hell, cus that is his current reality
@@isaac15752 He is bound to hell. That is his current reality. I don't think reality really kills hope in the first place. Hope might not necessarily be at odds with it.
@@LoreFriendlyMusic In the Sandman continuity, Lucifer wants freedom. They want freedom from God's plan, freedom from Hell. They don't want to return to Heaven, they don't care about lies and damning humans. They want absolute freedom. And becoming something that destroys Hope to win the game would be to admit that their core desire, the very core of their being, cannot be fullfilled. That they can never hope to be free from the plan of thheir Father, everything is already set, they are just playing a part in an already written story. Which is something that Lucifer simply cannot accept, that they are too prideful to admit and afraid to even think about. Because it would undermine everything that they are. They most likely know what it is that kills Hope, they could do it, but in doing so they would be destroying themselves. That's why Lucifer does not respond and is forced to surrender, they could have won but the cost would have been too high, because during the game both Dream an d Lucifer are actually transforming and feeling the consequences of the creatures and concepts that they choose.
3:15 "What is it that kills hope?"
"I am chronic depression, eternal darkness unending"
Perhaps, but the point is that Lucifer themselves have hope and to fight/defeat hope is to destroy the hope inside them. That is why Lucifer relents and why the line about those trapped in hell dreaming of heaven got to them, because they speak about Lucifer just as much as any other in hell.
I am therapy and friendship
Yet there will always be hope that the depression goes away their will always be hope that light will break through the darkness and rescue those imprisoned by it. Hope cannot be defeated except by that which Created it.
That would leave Lucifer unable to endeavour.
Depression is the despair about the fact that it should be better. There is no depression if there was no light to compare it to. And even the culmination of depression, its final symptom, süïcïde, is the hope for the pain to end. Which is why people with plans are relieved.
The thing that kills hope could possibly be dystopia. No hope. Just misery, dystopia does not provide any light.
I actually preferred the graphic novel version...Dream is surrounded by the angry minions of hell.
He utters the line about dreams in hell..
And the crowd immediately backs away and allows him safe passage
That's true, but the plaza looks like vatican City. Quite the irony
Hope can be beaten with despair but if lucifer decided to use that that's means he agreed he will never beat God and never obtained heaven So, magnificent
What's funny is that in a few years or decades time from this scene, lucifer leaves hell just completely says fuck it all
@@wintertrooper7918DETECTIVE
Also, probably Lucifer can't answer Despair because he/she is one of the Endless
I have never seen a better representation of gods fighting. So much of media depicts gods with flashy moves, and brawling power. But what is physical confrontation? Just an exchange of energy between matter. gods can be depicted as so much more than that. And that is why i love this scene. It shows that they can become.
“I am Anti-Life”
Darkseid : STEPPENWOLF!!!, DESAAD!!! BRING HER TO ME!!!
Woukd be funny to see Lucifer clap darkseid
Such amazing dialogue. Carefully crafted.
Brianne of Tarth starts as a direwolf is dope
hell, the hopelessness at the end of life, the enteral prison of suffering, the one place hope can never touch, and I think at some level the Lightbringer knows that but would never admit to it, less despair takes them.
That's not quite true, though, is it? After all, Nada had hope that her Kai'ckul would rescue her. And, per her own words, that hope remained unabated after Dream's passing. Do you believe she is alone?
Best battle in any movie
Gaiman's a genius. Even the choice of moves are in sync with the entity...lucifer choosing rabidness/ aggression (wolf), venom (serpent), decay (bacterium), destruction (nova) and nothingness vs. Dream's nobility (huntsman), glory (eagle), nurture/ nature (world), eternity (universe) and ultimately...hope. ❤❤❤
Such a powerful scene! Love how the fight is conducted! One of my favorite episodes
The Sandman is my favorite hyperfixation! Dream is one of my favorites in the comic series!
Destruction, though you don't see much of him, is my favourite
@@Ravenishish Cool choice!
Oh, also, if The Sandman is a hyperfixation, you might want to check out the game/visual novel Harmony: The Fall of Reverie. Heavy Sandman vibes.
@@Ravenishish Ok, I'll check it out!
even in the darkest days of our lives we still hope for tomorrow why you think is that
Not suicidal guyz
Lucifer: I am Anti-Life
Darkseid:
This is how a celestial being fight should be not action, what a wonderful way to portray
"I am inevitable" *snaps finger*
Literally every childhood game where you pick your weapons
Funny he said Hope, Abandon all hope he who enter Here.
and Hope is the one thing that anyone has, Hope is the one thing that will save your life
They wanted to do the Hellfire Club scene from the comic, but they didn't want to pay Squirrel Nut Zippers royalties for the only possible soundtrack for it.
For even the devil still dreams of Heaven... Can't hope.
[Devil Went Down to Georgia plays in the distance]
Hope he brought his fiddle of gold
Quite the opposite.
Hope came down to hell.
i am despair . hope crushing. the promises left unfulfilled. eternal malaise (windows 11)
So at my best guess. the rules are the challenger goes first. which puts them at a damage disadvantage but also they get to "Set the scale". which we see lucifer do at 1:10 where instead of being on single creature basis she goes to a more global / general concept of bacteria, and again at 1:33 where she goes to a cosmic scale which in turn allows dream to suggest counters of a planet, and a universe.
It would seem each "Player" can chose to either attack, or Heal. during their turn. and whilst healing heals their "Physical body" it allows the opponent to take another attack.
They do this until either one player "Defeats" the physical body or they cannot think of an appropriate counter to whatever move was previously played.
So to give an example of a physical defeat which almost happens to dream at 2:40, One player could suggest they are a flower, the next player could then say they are "Winter".. Freezing the flower and thus freezing the other opponent. with the other opponent being unable to continue due to being litterally frozen. thus loosing.
Where a mental defeat is what ultimately defeats lucifer since as the "Lightbringer" and knowing that Hope and dreams do infact rule over hell. gets stumped and ends up conceding..
Now I would take some assumptions but I would say that the game can only go to the "Scale" it did cause lucifer and dream are litterally gods pretty much. So they are not only able to imagine such concepts but understand what it would be like to physically be them. thus they are able to use those concepts in their attacks. Where as Dream seems confident in defeating the demon lord.. because the demonlord is inheriently not as powerful as dream. sooo the demon probably cant picture himself as "A nova" or "Antilife" like lucifer can. thus limiting the "Scale" that he can fight at. but then likewise since the demon would be the challenger(and thus able to set the overal power of attacks) dream wouldnt be allowed to go to that scale anyway. (So he was probably just confident in beating him mentally, where lucifer he knows is more intelligent and powerful)
These rules also explain why dream dosnt just use "Hope" from the start as lucifer didnt change the scale of the fight to the "Metaphysical" level until she played "After life" thus allowing metaphysical concepts to be played by dream.
Hope is sometimes just a consolation we offer ourselves
Best of the best. Suddenly this scene brought me to true fantasy world ❤
Their voice is so deep it can run through my bones
Faith triumphs hope. I had hoped for many things but finally accepts that perhaps faith had a different path for me.
Love it! ❤️
I forgot that this was so engrossed in DC lore that Antilife was referenced
I wish I wrote this scene.
So beautifully poetic and perfect! ❤
Kudos to the writer who wrote this scene ❤
Kudos to Neil Gaiman. Is almost 1:1 from the comics.
"You say I have no power here. Perhaps you speak truly. But to say dreams have no power in Hell. Tell me Lucifer Morningstar, what power would Hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of Heaven?"
The BEST shut down line I've ever heard. Also you can tell of Lucifer's expression that they realize Morpheus is right.
Yes - and the Lightbringer’s expression seems almost grief-stricken.
@@sandywaddell4303 because he knows he's right.
@@wolfofhell7548 Oh, agreed. I just thought grief was an interesting choice by the performer.
I am doubt, hope cannot survive as long as there is doubt.
сомнение против веры, надежда это другое
I think despair is a better thing to counter hope. People hope for something only to come to despair
i am stupidity. your silly concepts of hope, despair, desire and whatnot are meaningless in my presence. i am timeless and unstoppable, no god, devil or human can destroy me. i am the one true constant of all creation.
i am...
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the US of fcking A!!!!!! (eagle fly)
"I am... plot armor."
"... shit."
Lucifer himself still holds hope to see the light of heaven.
EXCELLENT DIALOGUES AND SUPERB PRESENTATION
I am a failure, squashing all hope. - I am the dot at the end of the sentence. - I am the ignorance, that forgets the dot - I am the truth, that perserveres the ignorance - I am the observer, who missess the truth etc, etc, etc - then I am etc
Casually creating realities, creating and destroying universe without even lifting their fingers 🥂 good shit
Cut out major part of scene, where new Raven BELIEVES in Morpheous, giving him HOPE needed to defeat crushing weight of ANTI-LIFE. Because all these forces exist in BALANCE, so Lucifer must not ever defeat hope, otherwise he/she/it will cease to exist, along with all of Creation. He/She/It knows that, that's why he abstained from further fighting.
Worthy successor of comics series of Sandman, in my honest opinion :)
Lucifer: "I am a nova"
Morpheus: "I am... one trillion lions"
“I am a dire wolf, prey-stalking, lethal prowler.”
“I am a hunter, horse-mounted, wolf-stabbing.”
“I am a horsefly, horse-stinging, hunter-throwing.
“I am a spider, fly-consuming, eight legged.”
“ I am a snake, spider-devouring, posion-toothed.”
“I am an ox, snake-crushing, heavy-footed.”
“I am an anthrax, butcher bacterium, warm-life destroying.”
“I am a world, space-floating, life-nurturing.”
“I am a nova, all-exploding... planet-cremating.”
“I am the Universe -- all things encompassing, all life embracing.”
“I am Anti-Life, the Beast of Judgment. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of universes, gods, worlds... of everything. And what will you be then, Dreamlord?”
“I am hope.”
"...I am Vengeance. I am the Night. I. Am. Batman!"
I was really expecting them to say
I am Batman🦇🦇
"Qual poder o inferno teria se aqueles que estão aqui presos não pudessem sonhar com o céu?"
One of the best battle of deities I've encountered since Susan Cooper's 'The Dark is Rising' novel.
I am rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you 🎉🎉🎉😂
😂🤣😂
This was a terrific scene. 💙 Gaiman. Bring it back please!
Can they re-challenge each other? Or do they have to use different moves or what if they have the same?
You can play the game again, but no one would use the same moves again, because the winner would just follow the same counters to win.
@@Belthazar1113 No they won't, Dream already won and got his item back. He has no more to fight for in there.
Sandman: what is it that kills hope?
Lucifer: I am a TikTok influencer. (Starts dancing dougie.)
I am a HUMAN. Full of hope, blessed with courage. No fear to be found, all faith to be had. AND I, WILL, NOT, FAIL.
I am death; breath stealing, heartbeat stopping, thought taking, soul removing
I am progeny; life continuing, society building, possibility encompassing, joy filled.
@@wolfehologram3539 H U M A N
@@vidwatcher365 NAAhHHhh
@@vidwatcher365I am subcosciouness, the non material and abstract brain part, which exists since always till eternity, and cannot die when people clinically die. Human biololgy and other sciences are not capable to explain and analyse mathemathically what I am made of and where I am going after the person dies clinically. I exist in dimension where there is no time in classic form. I am both past, present and futher forever. ❤
This was like watching math go from simple to complex at an accelerated rate. I was like, "Super nova, wait! I was just a bird!!! Hold up, hold up, HOOLLLD UPP!!!"
Only God can kill hope, so Lucifer cannot say, "I am God."
No God can kill hope
Honestly, while God and Lucifer are more conventionally powerful than the Endless, even they can't destroy them entirely. God had a 'Dream' and a 'Desire' to create the universe, which led to 'Death', 'Destiny', and 'Destruction'. And Destruction will lead to 'Despair'.
lucifer, cannot kill hope because, killing hope is a hope in itself, therefore its a self afflicting move it cannot do. the last sentence in the video explains, when said if dream has any power in hell
How can that be? When Hope is one third of God?
@@isaac15752 What kills hope? Answer is Determination. Determination in being firm in your purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you dont need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing. You know what the worst thing in Pandora's box was? It wasn't the sorrows, destruction, wars, or plagues. It was hope itself. Hope's a gamble, Hope lacks certainty, Hope drive people to madness, because you gave up. You have nothing else, no way to fight, or lean on and so hope is the cruelest one of all.
We can look in our history and it was determination that made the outcomes. Be it good or bad. Destroying the others person's hope.
As a stand-in for hope, he could have said: "I am fuckit - b/c we're doin' it anyway"... LOL.....
"What kills hope?"
"I am Jack's inflamed sense of rejection."
"...damn."
feels like toddlers fighting, shouting out characters.
I am god ……your move my son
I am hope
@@nhyirakev5296 I am Determination. Determination in being firm in my purpose and resoluteness regardless of the outcome. Determination erases the reason to even have hope. When you have that you do not need hope. Not needing something means it is nothing.
Theater kids at the local cafe being cringe 😂
A nice reference to Superman and Darkseid.
You gotta love how Dream's last move is an idea, a concept.
Imagine if allll the humans only dream of heaven. I'm thinking it could make hell a forgotten realm.
that would be lovely. if only humans would give each other love instrad of hatresness, there would be no Hell. humans forgot about that powerful force which cannot be expained with mathematical analysis, but we all felt this force which Love ❤
One of the things i appreciate about this fight is the use of both defensive and offensive moves. Dream starts off "offensively" until Lucifer starts to do more damage. After that, he remains "defensive" (replenishing himself) until the very end of the challenge.
I love this scene and this game but what's funny is how every game can just start with "Hope" and they automatically win 😂
This is just brilliant ❤
This looks pretty cool. Maybe I'll watch it some day.
Hope is a fire that only exists with someone to keep it lit.
Without life, hope can not exist.
Lucifer could have said i am doubt
thats a good one ......
ddoubt ? i would have never thought of that
Then Dream could have said "I am certainty, sound, proven, beyond all doubt."
@@LoreFriendlyMusic "I am despair. Certain only of darkness & the inevitable fall."
@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am dark humor, despair releaving, gladness inducing."
@@JeMangeLaPoubelle"I am Love. All - Enduring. Truth - Exalting. Ever - Patient. Slow to Anger. Kindness - Embracing. Disdaining of Envy. Uncaring of Boast. Greatest of the Three."
Depression. Depression kills hope.
Obviously they never met the Philippine Government. Certianly kills all hope.
I cannot wait for the second season, way too excited for it
People see a great movie scene here but as for me I see something much more deeper and subliminal. They both use the power of “I AM” and as shown here in the scene. So anything they say after saying “I AM” they become it. Is t that true for the spiritual too because whatever we cast out in the universe same is sure to manifest itself in this realm as reality.
I am aware that most won’t see what I’m saying and probably make fun of what I say or even say I’m looking too deep but idc.
What we know as reality is only a fabricated narrative intentionally created to make us docile and stop us from evolving understanding who we are.
What kills HOPE?! Well, literally it's despair. 😄😅😅
1:54 I am The Anti-Life Equation
Frfr
They should’ve had Darkseids shadow in there
"What kills hope?"
"I am a spoiled brat, shit talking, money burning"