Talking Ancient Egyptian Precision Vases! Swapcast with the Snake Bros.
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This video is a recent swapcast and conversation with my good friends Kyle and Russ Allen of the Brothers of the Serpent Podcast, getting into the details around the vase scan project that I've been a part of this year. If you're looking to hear more details and discussion around these remarkable artifacts and their recently uncovered and entirely astonishing attributes, then you'll likely enjoy this conversation!
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0:00 Introduction
4:38 Segment 1
38:53 Segment 2
1:12:06 Segment 3
1:49:26 Final Segment 
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NO! nanodiamonds, shocked quartz, and microspherules are products of terrestrial and submarine, volcanism and high pressure deep ocean and crustal biology and chemistry.
NOT FRIGGEN METEOWITE IMPWACKEDS YOU GUMBIES!
The metallic spherules for example coat everything on the deep ocean floor where there is volcanism and hydrothermal activity deeper than 3km.
Where hot geofluids are supercritical, reducing, and hot enough to hold metals in solution.
Has anybody considered these might be instruments? Like you get a few and put them in a windy corridor then you can lift the lids on and off to make a song... Like hillbilly jugs. It would make sense to have precise interiors if they are tuned to a certain note 🎵. If you look at how modern society uses our precision it's to make tools, weapons and instruments.
Also moon math is the best math😂
@@strongerthanstone6216 There are vases made from serpentine, yes, although i don't believe we've analyzed any of them as of yet with structured light or other high resolution methods
Purpose, purpose purpose. What is the purpose?
@@jbizzle1966Purpose of the vases? Maybe they lasted because they could always be used. Even if there was a cataclysm that destroyed civilization, within a few generations people wouldn't know what to do with the tech. If they found a broken laptop 5,000 years ago, they wouldn't even know what it does and it would slowly deteriorate and they'd toss it. A vase, everyone has a use for it throughout history.
The laptop isn't a great example but that goes for any advanced tech before we got sent back to the stone age. I don't know if that's what you were asking but this is what I think could've happened regardless.
I simply can't get enough of your content, Ben... So excited to see what 2024 brings. Also, a big congratulation on the Gaia appearance!
I’ve been following your channel since you first started uploading your “evidence of ancient machinery” series. I left school at 16 and started working with my dad as a CNC operator initially. In the 8 years I’ve worked under him I’ve been trained to program, set and operate 5 axis CNC machines. After watching your first vase scan video I showed it to him and we both sat and marvelled at these vases. The industry we work in involves machining parts that have multiple eccentric parts within them. Some of these tolerances we work within are under a 5 micron limit using materials like brass, aluminium, stainless steel and very occasionally carbide using sliding head tools.
I 100% cannot, in my 8 years of experience combined with my dads 35 year history in engineering and machining, for the life of me see any way that these vases could be made with modern machinery. A 5 axis CNC could in theory create vases like this. But out of granite? At this tolerence? No. Just no. With our technology today it would require far too many tool changes and setting to feasibly make this stuff from granite.
In theory, I could try programming up something that would spit out a vase using the STL file but it would be made from aluminium. It would be nice though to theorise how something like this was done.
In my head it would involve spot drills, boring bars, roughing and finishing tip tools, face mills end mills and so on. I could 100% do this sort of stuff in aluminium or brass because it’s a very soft material. I could do it in stainless steel but it would take much longer. Granite however is just a big No.
Logically you would go through a dozen roughing tips, half a dozen finishing tips. Burn out a dozen boring bars, end mills, facing mill tips and everything else. The amount of money that would be involved in a project like this should shit all over the people that say it was made in the 1970s/80s. Nobody is putting this much money into a project like this at that time for fun.
I love your work Ben. I still remember gripping my head in my hands and saying “what the fuck” out loud the first time I saw that radial transversal formula. Without a doubt to me this was a CNC. Combine that with all the other stonework you have looked at in detail you have completely shifted my outlook as to what our human pre history looks like. It really boggles my mind when you combine everything to do with Egypt. The great Sphinx dating being out, the machinery evidence, the vases. We are looking at the tail end of a civilisation with far greater mechanical capabilities than our own. Before The understood invention of electricity and computers. We really have invented nothing.
don't forget about the constant risk of catastrophic damage to the CNC machine itself if the fragile granite breaks while being worked and is sent flying around at 100 mph. nobody in their right mind would even attempt to make one of these out of granite using a $500,000+ CNC machine.
Great comment. The best comment I have ever read in this channel. Thank you, man!
This comment rocks. Pun intended.
This right here
I've been CNC machining for many years and I completely agree with the OP. Aluminium, brass, etc is one thing but the work involved in achieving this in granite or similar hard and brittle rock to the same specifications/tolerance is almost unimaginable with the tech we currently have. The cost certainly prohibitive, and likely there would be many failures before a final "vase" was completed intact. Some people can't see it though, they just think we're all underestimating what a skilled stonemason can do.
My very first impression when Ben mentioned the number of these vases found, long before the measurement video, was that they had to be functional somehow. They look like vases to us but some crazy ass way it is something wildly different that we dont understand.
If the walls of your granite vase aren't thin enough, just pound your dolerite stone harder
You have know clue 🤡
@@guslythgow7103 *no ... How the tables turn
Rewriting history one vase at a time. 👍🇭🇲
you can't rewrite history... if you are writing it you are making it up... you are supposed to read history... and write the future
Re-re-re-re-writing history. Toward greater understanding? Hopefully!
18.7 mm is one Egyptian Royal Finger.
Based upon the 52.4 cm Royal Cubit.
It is the same unit used to build the great pyramid.
We have many Egyptian rulers, showing this measurement system.
And it is the same unit of measure used to build the Ark of the Covenant, as the Torah explains.
I wrote about this 20 years ago.
R.
Ground breaking, or should I say “vase” breaking
@@RalphEllisif you haven't already watched it Randall Carlson does a lecture on sacred geometry you may find very interesting.
Wow, Ben, I am so proud of you. I've been a fan of your channel for a couple years and I am happy to see you on all these channels ... Really making a statement in the global conversation. Good job!
Let's go! I got my chisel ready. Time to pound some stone and create a perfect vase.😅
Make sure your chisel is FAR weaker than the stone you’re using for the vase!
So they had electricity and 30 foot circular saws?
@@garyorlando9754if you think with just electricity and a circular saw you can make a perfect vase. Yeah.
But try and ponder....think in terms of energie, frequency and vibration.
A saw and some electricity still doesn't't cut it to make those vases.
Tho on the point of electricity .... I thought gold plating is done using electricity. So it seems they had that.
@@SK-ly1od 1. It's not perfect. 2. It's not precise 3. I was talking about his other claims of 30 foot circular saws since he doesn't understand how saws work. 4. There's no reason why they couldn't make that vase on a simple lathe or by hand 5. What is your claim on how it was made? High tech that disappeared? That's a theory with zero evidence
@@garyorlando9754 you sir are barking against the wrong tree.
I wish you well.
What amazes me more, is the fact that they used such precision to produce such mundane objects. I can only imagine what level of precision they used to make the more important stuff.
high technology civilization that made 40000 vases and nothing else
They probably weren’t mundane objects. They most likely had a functional purpose.
You should do a segment on modern cnc machines. Maybe a machine shop with several types of cnc's and a cnc lathe. Have the operator show you the ball screws and bearings, the servo counters to see how a machine counts off in metrics. Actually show a machine working a piece in aircraft grade billet aluminum.
Excellent idea! Then measure side by side with original vases.
Yes, but now use granite instead. Let's see what happens.
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Its that simple!
Ben, the more I hear you talk about electromagnetic waves and light speed it gives me goosebumps. One thing to remember is that when white light travels through a prism it breaks up to the colors of the rainbow, these are the colors we see with our eyes, but there are more we don't see. So this is just a average speed because each color is a different wavelength, something to think about when talking about hz or frequency.
The Ancients mapped the angel of the Sun and the Moon for a reason, even your replicas show different colors when white light is applied at different angles...
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I'd like to see these vases put under the best microscopes we have available. Because you can never completely remove all machining marks, if they are machined there will be signs somewhere on these vases. Also intense analysis of the inside of the vases will be more likely to yield some of its manufacturing secrets. It's a lot harder to hide what you can't see.
The inside is often finished to a lower standard, being out of sight and harder to get at. I remember seeing many precision objects from ancient Egypt that show a fine transition from finished surface to less finished surface. Maybe these vessels have different levels of finish on the inside or bottom.
Worth looking as closely as possible. Tool marks are incredibly informative.
Perhaps even more important than understanding the manufacturing techniques, it may provide some insight to their function. If they were actually containers, you would expect to find some clues related to the contents - be it some chemical residue or what have you.
@@Shin_Lonabattery electrolyte?
I think it has something to do with the recent plasmoids. you can remove single atoms from stuff.
I want to to frequency scans. And not to mention the golden ration closes the gap on the quantum world. and using their frequency, one can map quantum circuits into stone itself. Which is what im looking into at the moment because I know electrical engineering, wont be to hard to convert over. a and gate is an and gate. We need a microscope that will let us see the arrangement of the atomic structure. encase this is additive manufacturing, atom by atom.
Thanks Ben, grats on the Gaia appearance🍻
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I'm off work, resting up at home after a stint in hospital... that pic of Ben with the pencils in the vase got me laughing. Thanks for that!!
I have a theory on why we find vases instead of more complex or different creations. The ancient civilation created many different things with their obviously advanced capabilities, and were wiped out by some sort of cataclysm. Then a relatively simple group of people came across the ruins, and took what they saw that was useful, the vases. They found them useful and passed them down, eventually they wound up where we found them. The other artifacts that aren't vases stayed behind at the ruins of the ancient civilization. Surely they made more than vases with this technology, but the filter applied of a developing civilation coming across these items surely made them choose to keep the most "useful" items. Just thoughts I've had cheers!
The metal left behind turned into swords and weapons, degrading in quality each time. Ulfbert swords could have been chunks of superior scrap from before.
@@SAHD-Dad the analogy I like is if we build a skyscraper using modern machinery and tools like JCBs and cranes etc. If one person were to leave a hammer, a spirit level and a crowbar on site and you leave it for 3-4000 years some guy has come along and said “this huge building was made with nothing but these tools” and it’s exactly what your seeing in Egypt. The advanced machinery is long gone. Melted down by the romans or the Greeks or whoever. And all that remains are these basic hand tools that Egyptology said was used to make everything. Regardless of how little sense that makes.
@@dnkysyeah but more far away because at the greek and romans/egyptian times nobody didnt know how and who built the pyramids. For example romans did have cranes, they know how to build big things, they were great engineers and didnt know anything about pyramids because pyramids where ancient for them 2000 years ago lol. Btw if on the pyramid sites or nearby were iron tools and machineries,iron cranes, etc, well... at the romans times these things were dust
43:19 The fact that the ratio is the same from vase to vase is another indicator that a computer-like object was used to create them. It’s like autoscaling in Photoshop; if I reduce the length of the long edge of a photo, the program will automatically reduce the length of the short edge to keep the ratio correct.
@30:50 I looked up the glass insulators, and some of them looked exactly like one of the precision exhibits at the Cairo museum (plate with 3 concentric ridges of different diameters). Others looked like djed pillars.
Ben, I love that your recent work has been hard hitting facts. Nobody can deny the mechanical measurements that you're presenting, and if they do, they're welcome to measure it themselves. KEEP IT UP!
Since the vases might have been used for their resonant properties, what about sound waves? What pitch corresponds to base unit of the vase, and does this note have any effect on the vase?
Hi Ben. Have you looked at the capacity of the vases, to check if there is any sort of pattern or ratio encoded?
If not, he definitely should
I believe Nick is looking into it, he thinks volume has something to do with their function. Just intuition at this point but it would be good data to collect and analyze.
@@UnchartedX volume and/or resonance frequency.
You done a precious worck that redefine the study of Anchent Egipt civilization,congratulation Grate Job!
I would like report you that one year ago here in Italy two well known scientist realized the first thomograpy of the grate pyramid with a satellite "synthetic aperture radar", no one there in USA looklike know this.
I am a machinist at GE. The only process I can imagine that does not use bearings and precision machines components is this. You divert water from a river into a long semi cylinder basin and the basin drains out at a rate close to the water filling it. The basin has holes near the bottom edge opposite the water inflow and holds water but creates a current. In this basin you have a log of at least 1-2 tons floating and the log has paddles notched into it so that the water flowing through the basin spins the log. You wouldn’t need the log to be perfect because the water would naturally center the weight as it rotates. Then you could mark the center of rotation on the log and could even cut some sections perfectly circular around that axis and have supports holding the cut points to keep it positioned. Probably using animal fat to lubricate where supports tough the log. Then you could use pieces of wood stuck into notches on the log to grab a piece of stone and wrap them tight with rope. Now the log is spinning centered and you can control the speed with the inflow of water and the piece of stone is half submerged as well and rotating. Then you could have a tool which vibrates or rotates and is made of harder rock or Diamond which is guided by a cut wooden track. With the tool rotating or vibrating you can cut at very slow or no rotation of the stone you are working. A vibrating tool could use a flywheel with horse hair wrapped around the outside and rubbing against a sinew string which vibrates the tool. This could potentially get you close to some of the precision we see and not require bearings and very high end metal pieces to achieve the work. This would still be high technology by some means and no one can say this is made from materials not available to our ancestors. I don’t think this explains half of what has been made, like the the lotus columns and massive works with symmetry. Just saying it could be done by smart people with raw materials. And it would be closer to art than machining to maintain this contraption to .001 of an inch. But with polishing at the end you could probably get out lots of the minor flaws.
Also the Pi based system could be from using a drawing tool like a compass to make many circles to get precise shapes. Beautiful things from nature like shells and trees would have inspired form and the relationship between pi and sacred geometry would have been a natural progression that eventually shaped their math and allowed them to incorporate it into many of the objects.
would still need precise tools to measure the artifact.
So if instead of rulers they used a floating log lathe to turn stone circles as a base unit then wrapping string around it where able to get the circumference and could derive radians and pi from that. Obviously they needed math as well but then you could use measurements from the first stone circle to make the full set. So if you made a drawing of the “vase” using a compass you could make stone circles to match all those in the drawing based off a mathematical principle and then have a group of set measurements. Then instead of wooden guides you could use these stone circle “rulers” to guide the tool to generate the curves. So long as you are careful with the initial measurements you can have automatic consistency in your cuts. And use a template of the final curve to check how close you are. I make parts to within .0005 inches all day and I need to adjust my offsets. You also would with any machine, and you can see a gap of .001 compared to a template no problem.
My point here being you can start precision using water easily. Rather than something rigid you can use water which forms natural precision to get started.
Congratulations on all the cool stuff going on. Anytime we're talking about ancient tech , I'm in. Apply our tech is x awesome! Hope to see yall in the canyon on the Eclipse.
If there really were stone vases like these found at that burial in Toshka dated to pre-younger drayas then maybe Djoser raided all of them from burial sites. If that were the case, then maybe these stone vases have some kind of information encoded in the design that we could extrapolate like date of birth - date of death. Something id think is more likely though would be that the vases were sort of stress test programs or limit test programs for the machines they used to sculpt statues. Would make sense to check the calibration of your machine on a tiny little vase before running your program to cut hundreds of tons of stone that was carefully transported miles. It would also explain why some are so impeccably precise and some are a good order of magnitude less precise, but still incredible feats of precision nonetheless.
As somebody who has worked on the Toshka excavations, I have to say there were no ‘precision’ vases dating to 14,000 years ago. This is a lie. The finds from 14,000 years ago are very basic stone artefacts such as grinding stones and flints, as well as human remains. Ben has this completely wrong. I have all the excavation papers and firsthand experience at my disposal if you wish to challenge me on this. Please stop repeating these claims on video.
Your tolerance test idea is really insightful. It has that ring of truth.
@JamesSmith-mn6jx where can one find these papers? I can't say I've looked particularly hard into it because even if there were hypothetically precision stone vases at these sites it'd be nigh impossible to do any work on the site now anyway...
@@ethanharvey3111 they’re in every university library, but also on JSTR. These include excavation reports from more than 50 years ago, with full descriptions and diagrams and photos of finds in the 14k excavations. I did some work more than 20 years ago. Toshka has much later archaeology too. The vase was not from the Palaeolithic layers. It 100% is NOT 14,000 years old. Ben needs to correct this and stop repeating it because it’s wrong. The information is easy to find if anyone can be bothered to look. FYI it’s often called ‘Tushka.’
Lol the first benchy
these 3 together is always fun. Yee haw. SNAKES + VASES
Been on cnc machines since i was 8 years old. Im now 24 and have never once stopped cnc machining. Alot of inspection either hand tool or cmm. Alot of aerospace parts. These vases have blown mines and my co workers minds. I work in +/- .0001 tolerance every week. To imagine having to make these out of the granite or any stone and hold those tolerances is already mind numbing and damn near impossible almost to get the finish they get. Have you all used a profilomitor yet? Would give us all a nice understanding of how smooth it is since ill never be able to lay my hands on these bad boys.
I should add most of my aerospace experience was for sikorsky and also lockheed.
You give me a year and the nicest swedish lathes and the best programmer / machinst / engineer and we wouldnt be able to make that vase on a lathe without there being toolmarks or needing some kind of hand work at the end (ruining your dimensions at that point) once i saw the gd&t measurements on these vases i was truly taken aback.
Keep up the hunt on information I applaud everything you are doing.
Yes mapping the surface very accurately could tell us many things. Is it possible to make a 3d map with a profilomitor. Otw perhaps an electron microscope could be used map some of the surface.
I feel such deep frustration that your work on these vases isnt taken seriously by mainstream archeology or any other discipline. So god only knows how you deal with the frustration! Theres so much more that we could learn if this was taken seriously. And maybe we would discover that you're wrong!! But it sure as hell would be great to know either way. Very difficult not to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole of secret knowledge thats being kept from us. I so want to join you on one of your treks to Egypt. I see the June tour has sold out shich is great to see. You considering having another one later in the year? Many thanks for your passion Ben x
Do the vases resonate at any particular frequency ?
My thoughts exactly. Since some are sized in ratios, how are the internal volumes and/or resonance frequencies related??
@@quintmarcaletti4189 would be crazy if the resonance frequency of the OG vase is 16 hz, or some order of magnitude from the base unit.
As an engineer I am fascinated by this discussion. In physics, the unit of measurement like meter, yard, second or whatever, is disregarded since it is only a scaling factor. E.g., the speed of light is simply one, as in one hundred percent. So, there is nothing really fundamental in figuring out the units used by the makers of the vases.
Also, to discuss the likelihood of all "mysterious" relationships (phi, pi aso) one need to use statistics. Probably hard to do here however...
And, the spinning vase: a simple stone or metal sphere would spin the same way. The cool thing about the vase is not that it spins but that is has balance on a tip without tilting, even at rest. In fact, the spinning makes it easier to maintain balance as with a spinning top that tips over when it stops.
Hi Ben. Quick question - what explanation is offered for why the ancient Egyptians could build the pyramids as tombs, but nothing remains of the buildings where the pharaohs would have ruled from when they lived? I can find plausible explanations of this. Are we to believe they ruled from mud huts, but then entombed themselves in incredible tombs? Something is missing.
You've got a point. Were is the city the people lived in? Not much of that left.
Ya got that right. There is a LOT missing. A lot has been plundered, a lot destroyed, both by man and natural processes. Attempting to reconstruct even the bare framework is like finding a jigsaw puzzle with 90% of the pieces forever missing.
They planned to be dead far longer than they were alive. The structures intended duration of use is proportional to the effort to keep it standing. The next guy can build his own home, my tomb must last forever.
It is very possible that these tombs in the Valley of the Kings were originally BUNKERS created and used by someone else long before the pharaohs. After thousands of years the Pharaohs discovered those Bunkers - Galleries - Chambers dug into the rock and used them for their own purposes, they plastered and painted the walls with representations of their lives.
Of course something very important is Missing, namely their developed Cities, because the Egyptians claim that they were experts in working various hard stones...if they were able to make pyramids, osirions, obelisks, huge statues, serapeum boxes, and other megalithic structures, they could probably build developed, sustainable cities and yet these cities DO NOT EXIST.
Check the surrounding towns for the remnants of ancient buildings as stones were taken and repurposed for what was needed at the time
2:34 bro, i'm getting Gaia right the f now
Another thing I would like to point out is that we can totally carve a rock face like petra with a cnc arm, and would leave a similar patterned "tool path".
The machines used, must have been ultra stable and precise like even some modern machines still struggle to achieve this precision! As a former profile grinder in a toolmaking shop, I can tell you grinding stone or metal with different hardening zones is no small feat, for even using diamond on it, the differnce in hardness results in grinding pressure changes, that make the result vary. The measuring 3D you guys did, just proves the exsistance of machines alone without any doubt. People who do not grasp the concept of the shown precision are fools who like to ignore the facts.
Amazing!! Ben I love you man you really inspired me to go back to school at 26
You're only physically out of school. You're spirit never left.
Congratulations on your part of the Gaia network.
Just watched Matts new thing about Gobekli, Food and grain storage, So there you have it.
We appreciate you, Ben!!! Love your content and would love to see this information hit mainstream 💯
Another question is , lets say these were functional. What functionality would one think that these had, being everyone would have one of these. If im not mistaken 50,000 were found which is prob not all of them.
Curious as I am regarding ancient hardstone objects, I wonder if there are series of vases with exact same dimensions?
Something we hope to find out with more analysis of more artifacts.
Entirely possible. If we do find that and multiple examples it's just as good as finding the mechanism that created it
Question - considering all the amazing geometry of these vessels, where are their lids? The ancients weren't smart enough to have invented the lid? Maybe these vessels were never meant to be containers of stuff!
The intractable resistance of the academics to concede even the teentsiest bit of their authority to DECREE what level of sophistication humans may have achieved at ANY PLACE or Time whatsoever, *_Devalues_* the academic credentials and institutions they are so keen to defend.
Been a viewer of the channel since the ‘Gosford glyphs’ video. Love seeing the progression of science all because of your work. Got the missus into watching the videos with me now her mind boggles at the idea of ancient high technology & the fact we as humans did all of this 10,000-25,000 years ago 😊
The Aswan quarry in Egypt share the same “scoop” marks found at Emperor Qinshihuang's Mausoleum Site Museum, aka the Terracotta Warrior tomb, in China! They both have the horizontal and vertical striations stretching the entire length of the stone.
That’s right, that’s the paradox. You have to have incredible precision tools before you can make precision pieces. You also need an understanding of precision tolerances. Accurate measurement, something we have struggled with since the Industrial Revolution. And if you had tools to make decorative items then what else, what technology were these people capable of making?
Whenever talking to people who think this kind of stuff is possible with primitive tools and slaves and infinite patience they NEVER have a good explanation of how they had the metrology to check their work as they went along and the finished product. Metrology is an ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY itself
I watched a RUclips video called "How to calculate the energy of a photon given frequency & Wavelength in nm" on a channel called The Organic Chemistry Tutor. I did this in an effort to understand the 16 ghrtz wavelength.
I saw a BAM documentary about the Great Pyramid, I believe, where it showed the builders using both the Meter, and the Inch. Both of these measurements are defined by earthly proportions.
I think it is logical to suggest that the builders of the Great Pyramid and the builders of the vases are the same because the superior elegant math and precision present in both.
I've often thought the same about the 'vases' looking more like tool bits and the 'handles' being locking lugs, then when they realised they could make the 'tool bits' into vases they started to make them as well
These vases are total perfection, almost god like! It's like they contain a message, ready for the 'right' civilization to decode.
That feels like an overthink. Humans, ancient or not, don’t think they will ever be extinct or irrelevant in time. Modern humans aren’t building complicated decorative ornaments as a signal to future civilizations. If they really did think this way, with an altruism in time and space, it’s all the more tragic they disappeared and we replaced them.
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It's not uncommon at all, actually. That is, essentially, the purpose of any monument.
From the Wikipedia article on the Hoover Dam:
"Surrounding the base of the monument is a terrazzo floor embedded with a "star map". The map depicts the Northern Hemisphere sky at the moment of President Roosevelt's dedication of the dam. This is intended to help future astronomers, if necessary, calculate the exact date of dedication."
The human psychology craves relevance and self anointed superiority. Being told we were preceded by civilizations vastly superior to our own throws to the ground that we are the apex expression of our creator.
Those vases remind of the old grolsch bottle tops!
Has Chris Dunn worked out what frequency he thinks the Pyramid would have resonated at when being a possible power plant...???!!!
Why do I think it'll match the frequency of, what I'm starting to think, are the 'Receivers' of said power where it was required...???!!!
mind blowing content as always man, that you so much for your work
i turn on a lathe. the symmetry is not what i find the enigma. its the handles.
I clicked on this because I knew how excited Ben would be to talk about these vases, lol
The wavelength for electromagnetic radiation of 16 GHz in air is 1.868 cm - I am not sure if it means anything but yea, there you go. It's as close to 1,8739 cm as it gets, considering they pounded rocks together to make that vase :D
It will be exciting to see where this leads. I know this is random but what if us using “vases” is the byproduct or other use for what this object is. For example, I use a fork to make bows out of ribbon but obviously it’s not the original intention. We tend to look at things like flow if water (the path of least resistance). But as we know technology does not fit into that box. I believe what we are missing in so much research is sound. I think resonance mattered very much in the past. I think we are dismissing basic elements as trivial.
1:33:10 I propose they are harmonizing with the vacuum or zero point energy field. You guys need to try to look for infrasound or em waves being emitted by the pyramids, measure them, and do some mathematical analysis on their frequencies and how they relate to each other just like for the vases. I suspect that this will reveal their frequencies to be purposeful engineered by the builders, and finding out what about the design and materials produces the waves will unlock how they truely functioned and then connect their purpose to this interaction. Finally, you should do experiments that involve the effect of those frequencies together on living creatures. that should completely reconstruct the entire mystery about this
I love unchartedx. He’s always got all his vases covered.
Hey Ben, ive just been reading about the pyramid of Bin Bin. Its on display in the Egyptian Museum. Ive never heard you mention it but it seems to be very much in line with the vases. Made of blackrock which isnt natural to earth and very difficult to cut but easy to break. but like the vases its cut with unique precision. And apparently it has an electro magnetic quality that makes anyone who approaches it feel psychologically comfortable!!It affects human energy! Fascintating! Would love to hear if you have any more info.
No one out there's moved the needle more or faster than you Ben.
You're not just satisfying our curiosity. You're helping us get closer to our lost history. Thank you for what you do.
If you look at a lot of objects made by people using the imperial system of measurement, you could probably identify the inch using statistics because people tend to it and multiples of it.
So one might be able to figure out the unit of measure used by the manufacturers of those precision objects found beneath the pyramids by cataloging the measurements of a bunch of them and looking for sizes that occur more frequently than they ought to.
This was already done by someone and I am trying to remember what book this was in, but someone did EXACTLY what you're talking about and applied it to monuments all over the earth and found the stonework globally all uses the same measurement system.
C'MON GUYS JUST SAY IT, IT WAS DONE BY MAGIC ❤
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This is actually hilarious, i literally just watched all the older ones of the swapcasts and pods you and snakebros did last night and finished them this morning for the 4th or 5th time 😂😂😂😂😂
whatever tech was used to make these the granite is thin and fragile in the end. you could deal with the fragility in the manufacturing by starting with a block, machine a flat surface, cut the inside out to the final dimensions,, then fill the hole with something that would dry hard without expanding or contracting ( exposing just the upper portion- something that could be 'melted' out later, maybe even add attach points/reference points to this goop to hold onto it when machining the outside, then let it dry and machine the outside. the outside machining would be done blind - not using calipers to gauge the wall thickness, like wood turners do. then melt out the goop. to machine the outside in this way you would need a clear and precise definition of the inside hole. if , when you machined out the inside you also machined the area around the hole - the upper edge and lip - you could encode into the upper lip the definition of the inside hole that you could not see when you machine the outside.
is there evidence the upper lip encodes the inside?
this is getting super interesting, cant wait to see more people learn about this
So i started trying to visualize how the rungs worked. I imagined poles running through both rungs. Multiple vases on a pole. Then just one. And from different angles. And when i looked at one vase in a pole from the side, with the vase on the end of the pole, it looked like something. Musical notes. Beam notes. Quavers. Minims. Flats. What if they are vases, but a type of musical or vibrational tool?
oh yeah, awesome video once again. thank you dude.
I had a thought about the vases. Imagine a later civilization get there hands on one or a few of the tools/machine that's were used by previous high technological civilization that were wiped out. They made what they could and tried many different things. Some may have just been practice or pushing the limits of the machines/tools hence some the strange vase/artifacts. Imagine a huge factory burning down but a few cnc machines are left. You couldn't make what the factory made but but you could still make some impressive stuff.
maybe the Dynastics who inherited the machines ruined them by using them to cut granite, lol
Would love to see you and or the snake brothers talk with Praveen Mohan.
Have you ever looked into how much fluid these vases hold? what the total is, has it anything in common with sacred ratio/geometries?
replied to a similar question above, Nick is looking into volume.
Thanks Ben, always enjoy your amazing content. I may never get to Egypt on my own but I can see it all through your uploads.
Happy Holidays 2023 December 🎄
Been watching since that 1st trip with Brien F, Jimmy & Jahana.
@48;00 the ratio doesn't need a base measuring unit. You just need a size requirement for that vase as in height or volume and then assign one leg of the ratio a size. The ratio design of the vase plugs in the remaining values of the remaining ratios. However a precision value is 5 microns or less that is measurable with a base measuring system just as a height requirement would be. So the complexity is stunning since ratio, math constants and sacred/natural geometry needed to be encoded into the art. Maybe this natural symmetry has a primordial triggering in the brain as does symmetry in the human body. If we look at the research of symmetry and attraction in the human body that puts signaling dna to work by visual clues to produce hormone release, maybe art like this signals dna to produce other emotions or higher thinking by using these natural ratios of the universe. Maybe a, A-B testing visually of this art and the biological chemical signals of the body could be written and executed as was the human body symmetry testing. I suggest throughout their expression in building everything, is using the nature of the universe to harmonize with you, the 'humans' and express themselves in the physical world to venerate the inter pinning of the construct of the universe. Actual connecting by humans to ether, spirit, god force of the universe, TBD. Harnessing ether too create, also TBD.
which leads me to believe that these vases were created using some unknown property of consciousness.
It would have to be a lathe or perhaps even a rotary table with fixed but adjustable high speed grinding wheel attachment or more likely a purpose built grinding machine. Because the grinding wheel is spinning independently in the opposite direction as the lathe, it is not dependent on the spinning of the lathe to remove material. It might spin at 1 rpm or something. That would explain the precision between the vase lugs/handles. You could use a mounted grinding wheel in between the lugs with the same inherent accuracy as the lathe/rotary table without needing cnc. What the grinding wheel is made of I don't know. That is still an enormous level of technological achievement far beyond the capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians. The statues are a different story..
its plasmoid single atom negative construction. What im betting on at this point.
That Laphroaig looks nice! Thank you for what you do. Its very appreciated.
ah yes it was very nice :) well spotted.
As always great content 👍💯😁
1:27:20 This guy makes a valid point about what level of precision designers would naturally rely on in terms of measurements.
need more content more often! too good at this!
I can't quite wrap my head around the thin walled vase. I recently watched a video of a somewhat new type of robot that forms metal to 3d shapes by "touching" it with hard metal tips from both sides at same time. I wonder if similar method was used to achieve the thin vase. Have it on lathe and at same time form inside and outside with 2 seperate cutting or grinding tips that give pressure from both sides simultaneously grinding the material precisely. Somehow I feel that this way one could manage the job without cracking it.
yeah that was destin. I was about to say that only works with softer metal, layer by layer. But, at 16ghz frequncy, it could possibly do it in stone
Maybe with the vases they could storage/receive the energy that the pyramid produced or they were like a "energy repeater / extender" like we have a wifi repeater? Something like that?
I wonder if the vases have a specific resonant frequency. Maybe you could hang a bunch of these on rope and talk into them and the rope transmits your message to a vase that matches the resonance of your vase. Like the equivalent of a tin can phone.
Interesting. 👍
yes, these could very well be ancient speakers. note the lug handles aka positive and negative terminals. maybe they don't have lids because the lids would've been a membrane of sorts.
Thanks Quality content a well spent 2hours 6 mins for me
Fantastic episode. One of the many things I love with your ‘cast is the unpretentious way that the info is put forth. Just the straight dope, no churching it up, just fast pace and stimulating ideas being exchanged. Sometimes it’s not the podcast for beginners. I can’t say my old brain at the age of 58 is really having an easy time keeping up with this conversation especially the math, but I learned a lot of this. It was worth watching the whole thing every minute of it. Thanks for doing what you do And us a little folks I on it. These “vases” must be pivotal because this channel has shook people up.
Giant steps, brother! Congratulations and thanks!
Questions. Are the content volumes consistent, proportional, to any metric? Are there any residues on the interior ?
Keep it up guys. Show us some of the most high tech stone cutters today and see if they can make those bases.
Ben, if inside volume is measured. How do these compare to each other. Thinking freq spectrum hormonic level tunning. Think when we use a tunepipe on a 2stroke engine, its tuned to that engine, eg sound.
If you're interested in learning how to utilize "sacred" ratios in your work, it's really simple geometry. Check out the book "Elements of Dynamic Symmetry" by Jay Hambidge.
Hi Ben, where can I find that floating illuminated pyramid?
I was given it as a gift, so I have no idea sorry!
guys, if it looks like a vase or jar its probably a vase or jar! we do have a context bc we use similar things today too. they were just showing off. we have yet to find the really cool artifacts yet! we need to dig under the sand!
If you think of music - we have a standardized A=440hz system, but you could tune up to any note and then play the music and it would still be "correct". Is it possible that the resonant frequency of each piece of stone is that which you are looking for?
The ones you can shine a light through are wild
I would look at frequencies and tones, like seeing how the vases reacts with different sound frequencies especially
I think the more you look at 16 giga hertz this is a very significant wave length
thats a frequency
Take to large stones that are wedges shape. Spin vase in it. Precision is created
Good idea
Sweet Lord! 2 hours? This time You outdid Yourself, Ben!
Thank you!!
Laphroigh. Excellent choice.
Today, I watched Robert Edward Grant presenting his work on connecting the musical scale (2-octaves) to the geometry of the Giza pyramids, including the layout of the Giza Plateau. Interesting. Will watch part 4.
Ethereum implemented a distributed Turing machine in their blockchain. I thinks this is for proof the code in the contracts is perfect.
I have always felt the vases were a message in the one medium they knew would survive forever. They're recognizable to even the most primitive mind. They're functional and they'll be treasured. Just as we treasure old stuff now. They knew these things would survive and eventually the precision would finally be recognized for what it is. And here we are. But that's just my opinion. I hope someday we'll find out for sure.
I don’t think so. Most of them are super thin walled so pretty brittle. The likes of gobekli tepe maybe the carvings on the giant pillars and stuff I could be persuaded but the vases I think had some sort of purpose
the evidence for ice-age advanced civilization is the polygonal masonry walls in sites that span the Earth in a perfect circle.
The implications for these objects are that they're functional, and the level of precision implies atomic processes.
Resonance, frequency and the harmonic relationships derived from those interactions (within specific geometric relationships between pi and phi) imply the manipulation of sound and light for chemical (atomic) outputs..what we might refer to as alchemy, the transmutation of atomic elements. Either as one time processes (a product) or as ongoing continuous processes (a machine or generator).
Bob Greenyer has a video describing a hypothesis like this on the channel Martin Fleishman Memorial Project video name "O - Day - New Dawn Of An Old Age". It's a very fascinating description, and maybe these vases are related.
@@1800imawake ..thanks, appreciate the reference..
@corvuslight Your welcome. What he explains in his video is exactly the kind of thing you are talking about. High physics stuff.
Quantum mathematics .....goes very deep.