Eric Weinstein - Why Does The Modern World Make No Sense? (4K)
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Eric Weinstein is a mathematician, economist, former managing director of Thiel Capital and a podcaster.
It's a rough time to be a human. The massive increase in information we have access to has made understanding the world harder, not easier. Whether it's higher education, culture, physics, or pretty much anything else, life can be very confusing.
Expect to learn what Eric thinks about the most recent furore coming out of Harvard, why the world of physics has made no progress in decades, why Jeffrey Epstein was interested in Stephen Hawking, how much truth there is in the recent flurry of stories about inter-dimensional extraterrestrials, Eric's predictions for the 2024 election and much more...
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00:00 The Downfall of Harvard
11:02 Is This the End of DEI?
22:14 Are Legacy Admissions a Bad Thing?
29:58 Why Stephen Hawking is in the Epstein Documents
38:45 The Problem With String Theory
52:45 When Will it Be Time to Put String Theory Down?
56:00 The Current State of Aliens & UFOs
1:05:00 Technology Required for Aliens to Come to Earth
1:18:29 Why Can’t We Say Certain Things?
1:23:59 Eric’s Predictions for the 2024 Election
1:35:55 Wanting Fame is Like Wanting to Be on the Titanic
1:53:16 Society’s Nostalgia for a Unifying Narrative
1:59:57 Is There Power in Prayer?
2:15:14 Why Teenage Boys Are Becoming More Right-Wing
2:30:20 The Rising Trend of Toxic Compassion
2:38:10 The Letter Churchill Received From His Father
2:44:40 Why the UK Makes Eric Angry
2:55:37 What’s Next for Eric
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Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 The Downfall of Harvard
11:02 Is This the End of DEI?
22:14 Are Legacy Admissions a Bad Thing?
29:58 Why Stephen Hawking is in the Epstein Documents
38:45 The Problem With String Theory
52:45 When Will it Be Time to Put String Theory Down?
56:00 The Current State of Aliens & UFOs
1:05:00 Technology Required for Aliens to Come to Earth
1:18:29 Why Can’t We Say Certain Things?
1:23:59 Eric’s Predictions for the 2024 Election
1:35:55 Wanting Fame is Like Wanting to Be on the Titanic
1:53:16 Society’s Nostalgia for a Unifying Narrative
1:59:57 Is There Power in Prayer?
2:15:14 Why Teenage Boys Are Becoming More Right-Wing
2:30:20 The Rising Trend of Toxic Compassion
2:38:10 The Letter Churchill Received From His Father
2:44:40 Why the UK Makes Eric Angry
2:55:37 What’s Next for Eric
I'm a simple man. I see Eric, I watch.
narrative storytelling ...sounds like simulation theory to me
I like Eric but on Joe Rogan, his TDS was a bit too much.
So, if Eric wasn't such a coward (imagine Zlatans personality) he would not have the need for pubkic therapy by proxy e.g, podcasts to get closure. Interesting to listen too, thanks😊
If it's Eric or Bret, I'm in....
A linguistics professor at Harvard was lecturing his class the other day.
He said, " in English, a double negative forms a positive. However, in some other languages, such as Russian, a double negative remains a negative. But there isn't a single language, not one, in which a double positive can express a negative ."
A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."
Hahaha
Solid hilarity right there
An old joke, much circulated, not Harvard.
@@aquachonk just take the joke!
lol
523 days No Alcohol 🥇
You're an animal. Congrats
Congrats buddy I’m three days in
5 years sober off of heroin I now ride a motorcycle and am happy.
Congrats man!! You got the power!!
Congrats. I'm almost at 8 months which beats my old record by 7 months.
In the '90's I was an Electronic / Avionic Engineer at Boeing. I was putting myself through law school at night. There were two things happening at Boeing that were influencing Boeing in a disturbing way that stood out to me on the management level then. First, was the business school theory that management need not understand nor manage the product or the process because they just had to manage the people the understood the product and the process. Intuitively that was incredibly wrong and wouldn't end up well. The second, while I was slaving away with my studies to acquire my advanced degree in law, senior management would select themselves to attend a 6 week Harvard Business School program whereupon completion they would be awarded a Master’s Degree - benefiting both management who could brag about how many Harvard graduates they had, and Harvard in how many icons in industry graduated from their school. Nothing to do with DEI, but everything about a lack of basic understanding of accountability, hard work, and ethics. These are the people that are now leading our country, the politicians, the bankers, the business leaders.
Seems to me the truly elite minds rarely if ever go into politics.
And Boeing airplanes are falling out of the sky.
Speaking of ethics, there's nothing ethical about the so-called justice system. There's no justice for the poor. The only people who can benefit from the laws are people who can afford lawyers. That means that there's nothing ethical about your profession... Unless you want to get in my tool belt and do something that really matters, helping me to build a more preferred future?
You want to talk about accountability and ethics? What is it you do with your specializations that hopefully doesn't make you a hypocrite?
@@DrBrainTicklerlolol
I don’t follow either of these two men religiously (even though I like them both), but man it’s hard to quantify just how much I love them together in conversation. They just have some special level of chemistry. Never step on each other in response or expression (even through extended pauses, which inadvertently end up punctuating certain times), always bounce things back and forth in a very entertaining way, somehow always ask for further clarification or exploration almost in lockstep with when I would personally ask the same, and very eloquent speakers that use detailed and colourful language. without it feeling like it pomposity. I’m watching this for my second time after watching a few weeks ago. Lucky to have free access to such quality ❤️
This is a respectable conversation you hardly ever hear .
I follow Chris and can tell you, this man in any interview I’ve seen is like this with everyone. He’s amazing and well versed in many subjects. If he isn’t he does his research or asks questions in a way to find the answers that maybe he couldn’t before. I find many of the conversations he has is interesting even if I don’t know much about the topics 🙌🏼 ❤️
I swear no other podcast host/interviewer gets quite this level of upbeat, relaxed energy from Eric- it's great to see.
Yeah this was the best I've seen Eric. He's usually quite frustrating to listen to. Lots of word salad and empty pontifications. This was much more enjoyable.
How so ? Jk 😊
@@frankcooke1692he is known to be very smart and very involved in deep shit.
He is a great philosopher that struggles to dumb down his speech
I would beg to differ. I really enjoy the way Lex gets him to open up get along.
I was thinking the same thing. He seems to really enjoy showing him how smart he is. They have great chemistry.
“Every high civilization decays by forgetting obvious things.” - G.K. Chesterton
Like being civil...
@@Joey-bj5lq And forgetting that we are autonomous thinking individuals, not piles of sh!ts. They don’t understand anthropology at all.
Like taking moral and Ethical values for granted. Sure shot recipe for decaying civilization.
civilization is human domestication
not a good thing, ever
@@Joey-bj5lq If we go by history... it was never really civil. LOL
Eric is one of the most brilliant minds of our time. Please bring back the portal. I for one, am listening. Thank you, Chris. These discussions are invaluable to our world view.
lol
Yeah, even though this is slightly watered down wisdom. There is a lack of existential intelligence and a hint of a myopic tendency.
right…
please, stop with the fawning 🤦🏼
@@TheLuminousOne since i posted that comment,i i have decided im not really a fan
When Eric said he didn’t know why they are guarding the exit to “limitless energy “, I thought, “I have an idea why.” Those with great wealth and power are likely very comfortable with and quite fond of the current structure of our society. And such knowledge would completely disrupt that.
Maybe, they have found the key and send everyone who could replicate the work, off into String Theory so that only they have the power?
Jeffery was just keeping Tabs on who what working on what so that " they" would know who was getting close and needed a nudge " funding" away from discovery ?
Yup. It’s very simple.
I agree. Karl Marx was quite prescient in the predictions he made. But his proscriptions were monstrously wrong. Marxism & subsequent extensions to his philosophy is vile in every way. Being implemented as a form of governance has always led to catastrophic amounts of death, misery, bleak arrested development, dysfunction, & ultimate societal collapse
This being stated & out of the way, his prescient predictions included that bourgeois capitalism is such an efficient powerful system of innovation that it would ultimate reduce industrial manufacturing processes would ultimately be reduced to information which has no cost. They will be able to manufacture goods so cheaply & abundantly that the price of their products would fall so low that they wouldn't be able to afford to pay their employees which render the masses with no money to pay for their practically free products. The economic model of bourgeois capitalism would collapse ending it as a viable system. Thus it would lead to its own demise
However, the owner class would not go quietly into the night. This is because they never were truly interested in manufacturing products more efficiently to be more competitive to make a profit. It was the profits with the power that they brought to this class that was most important. It was even more important than the vast luxury & material comfort there wealth brought. They would never willingly give up this power, doing whatever were required to retain it.
To move beyond the old economics of scarcity into a new era of abundance, the workers would have to engage in a violent revolution to overthrow the owner class & seize control of the means of production
After deposing the owner class, & whatever means of governance & police enforcement that supported them, they would then set up a dictatorship of the proletariat which entailed establishing an absolute dictatorship by seizing all power & nihilistically murdering anyone who could possibly challenge them
Next they would begin carrying out the communist revolution by removing all remnants of the old bourgeois order. This is when communism would become violent in a pathologically sick manner, becoming much more bloody & genocidal than what had already occurred during the workers revolution & the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat
I don't see how it would be possible for a better more "just" & "equal" system to emerge with people being selfless to the point of voluntarily sharing all material wealth equally from such a morally depraved violent system that does not value individual freedom, individual life, or objective truth at all
Up until recently I didn't think that Marx's prediction that the owner class would never willingly give up power was correct because I didn't like the idea of engaging in a violent overthrow of the government & bourgeois capitalism that I thought would be unnecessary. I still don't like the idea of engaging in violence & am willing to avoid doing so until the point of being violently attacked or being enslaved by having all rights & property stripped away with no possible way out in order to avoid such enslavement. You can be assured that such enslavement would quickly be followed by the slaughter of a large percentage of the enslaved population
If we were to survive the end bourgeois capitalism & any attempt of the owner class holding on to power then the ensuing era would become interesting. Let's say that cheap limitless fusion energy & virtually full industrial automation led to the end of scarcity & bourgeois capitalism. We would then have an economics of abundance that would no longer require never ending increases in growth & consumption of resources in order to keep the economy healthy & providing employment & growth opportunity for most people. This would usher in the opportunity of ushering in a steady state economy that would require consuming an ever increasing amount of resources. TBC, growth in production would be achieved by becoming ever more efficient using the same amount of resources. With limitless cheap energy we could recycle much of our resources. We would still need to consume new resources but not an ever increasing amount of them. With the advances we could make in material science coupled with limitless energy we could minimize the amount of environmental damage incurred obtaining whatever new natural resources that would be necessary each year. TBC, in a steady state economy the amount new natural resources need each year would remain constant. We would also be able to afford mining near earth asteroids to obtain rare elements
There would be a few serious social issues that would need to be overcome. How would this post bourgeois capitalist system be structured. I believe that we would need to make it as free & decentralized as possible. If we turned to centralized power, to implement such a new economy we would be assured that such power would end up crushing the individual, most of mankind, all freedom, human thriving & happiness. Perhaps it would crush humanity all together. We need to return to a liberal that provides true freedom as intended & has done so quite during various past eras. But it would do so much better than before avoiding the known mistakes & limitations of the past. How this could be achieved one could only speculate on at this time
The other problem would be what to do with all of the unemployable people who would no longer be needed in the workforce to create abundance. An open ended BMI system will never be sustainable in the long run. Possibly BMI for life could be provided in exchange for reproductive sterility. Only people who earned a living by working would be allowed to reproduce. This would provide a one time massive reduction in Earth's human population over the course of a single generation. Be repulsed by it if you wish but it wouldn't involve such massive unwanted death & much less misery than what the monstrous course that our current global elite seem to have embarked on by culling the population through disease, poisoning by way of vaccines, possibly mass starvation by invoking artificial famine, economic collapse by restricting total energy use, & quite possibly the outright slaughter of populations. This would also involve depriving everyone of all freedom.
This future of early death & misery that these monsters in the global elite & governing class have planned for us must be avoided by all means. It is vile, disgusting, inhuman,, & unnecessary for humankind to survive well into the indefinite future. It would probably be less likely to achieve its goals than if were to quickly go full steam ahead freeing people to work in groups among others as they wish & to engage in free discourse sharing information freely to maximize innovation & with system incentive guiding us on as straight forward of a course as possible towards developing cheap limitless energy & virtual industrial manufacturing automation to arrive at abundance, environmental sustainability, & a permanent greatly reduced risk of groups going to war with each other by no longer needing to fight over reduced resources
"I don't know how to react, the world doesn't make sense anymore" (rough quote) - oh... that hits hard. I really appreciate hearing an adult and informed conversation. A rarity nowadays
Sex with animals, I swear it that a foreign lady I internet-dated admitted to me that his father had done it, I was so shocked, the Adams Family.
I wasn't planning on watching a 3 hour interview, even with Eric, but the video started and I didn't move for 3 hours.
I was mesmerized too by the obscure language in the first hour, and then Eric started playing the blues and I felt like i found my soul brother.
This is how I felt precisely
When I recently heard him - I was like this is one of the smartest person I've ever heard - glad he is not afraid to speak up - against some very dumb violent people
Almost hypnotic!!
@@shannamcdonough9588he makes me feel smart and then very dumb again, especially when he says stuff like the 42:17 that goes over my head.
I majored in Psychology. My favorite experiment was the Arch experiment: How someone who stands firm against the rest within a group over time will attract them to his side.
Well, that's only if they are allowed to be heard. In our current social atmosphere, especially here on antisocial media, the rebel geniuses have no voice and aren't allowed to work so they are slowly being murdered by destroying their health through sabotaging their ability to socialize and make money. The experiment you're mentioning does not scale.
And this no longer naturally takes place…
@@shanejones578 careful with using absolutes
@@TheHandThatWipes3406 oh believe me, I’ve been trying 24 years now you think I’m one of these spineless cowards?
Really!!? That explains a LOT BUT Also gives me hope
I love the pause moments ! It shows patience, mutual respect and reflection. These dudes are not bs-ing, they're vibing and getting to places.
I've seen a lot of people give Elon Musk crap for doing this same thing when going back-n-forth in conversation. Simple people just blurt out crap and don't understand why other people pause and think before speaking.
lmfaooo
It actually just shows that they have gone through media training, and are very careful about what & how they present to the unknown audience.
What the hell, I would never have trusted my advisor to defend my thesis instead of me - it's not his role to be the expert in what I did. That's insane
I don't think Eric it fleshed it out here, the way he has in other interviews.
My understanding is, they shut him down, not because he did a poor job on his argument, but because they didn't like the subject.
They do not believe it speaks well of physics to indulge in what they consider to be the fantastic…?
(this is my, very poor interpretation of what occurred.)
@@likwidsun2303 String theory is a religion and the gatekeepers it's zealots, my take.
@@likwidsun2303 Eric did receive his PhD from Harvard. They didn't shut him down by not giving him the degree. I think it's important to listen to what he said about the two faces of Harvard to understand why they handled it like that.
Physics is a pseudoscience.
@@knowahnosenothing4862 Most of what we discuss right now in physics is religion. Quantum this, teleportation that, worm holes, spacetime, all of it is a belief held by people who can't bigger picture.
Harvard is done being respected.
🦊
"The worlds biggest mass murders come out of Harvard University"
Academia needs to be regulated. Sounds weird but the lack of regulation gave birth to critical race theory and DEI.
@@FazeParticlesI'm sure the regulators hate the easy votes.
I suspect they don’t seek approval from strangers online
Having met people who work for NYU, none of this comes as a surprise. When my friends explained what controversial things happened in the uni, I couldn't entirely bring myself to believe them. But now it's all too apparent they were being utterly sincere and not exaggerating.
I finally got to the end of the interview and didn't regret it. Eric is probably the most underappreciated, humane genius of our times.
Much love and respect from Türkiye. ❤
And Chris, keep up the great work, brother.
That's probably true but you should also acknowledge that the smartest people of every era have always been oppressed, sabotage, economically terrorized and ostracized to the fringes of society, usually dying alone in their early to mid-40s... The smartest people alive currently, you don't even know who they are.
Yes, I agree. He's brilliant and original, and yet so full of humility.
"It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
Jiddu Krishnamurti ☝️🙏
Well then, I am the healthiest unhealthy person within this Romanesque dumpster fire emulation.
I had the privilege of meeting Eric at a cafe last year. He was so humble and spent almost an hour talking to me and my group of friends. Funny enough, we talked about how we attend a Latin Mass Catholic Parish. God bless Eric.
He’s so clever and I love his wise eyes…what colour are they? I bet green
God bless you all.
Jesus said no one comes before God except me , why do catholics pray to deities such as mother Mary, Peter, etc. That, to me, is non Christian do you not have fear for your soul . Lord be with you .
He’s humble in many ways yet so incredibly arrogant as well.
@@josephlebard2061 they do not pray to them they pray for their intercession. There is a difference. Think of it like asking a friend who works at city hall to talk to the Mayor for you.
I am a long since retired physics and Math teacher and my knowledge is limited. Listening to you is mesmerizing and wakes us up. I never could imagine what you say about Harvard and the like.
Thank you for the band recommendation, Sleep Token. "The Summoning" was so good! I was not ready for such a change in pace halfway through the song!
I was spellbound for all three hours. Incredibly thought-provoking. Thank you all!
Yup.
Yeah, some people can waffle on for a long time.
Could we just have Eric on every month? He seems to be one of the only people spreading sanity.
I concur
He's incredible, I could listen to him for hours and hours (and in fact just did haha)
He is great! He does need a dose of his brother. Brett is better at explaining things to dummies like me
He's great but he would be even better if he hadn't spent SO much time in academia. He's become unable to speak in a way that isn't condescending.
He's full of shit. But definitely interesting to listen. I can't believe he's still banging on about his theory about the CPI being fixed.
He had a friend and economist on his own podcast who explained to him why he was wrong about it. And he's acting like that conversation never happened
Got two reasons why I cry away each lonely night… gratitude to all involved in hosting this amazing conversation
Exact same tune that came to mind. Great conversation indeed.
Too bad is tearfully lonely couldn’t reach out and keep each other company…. There’s a lot of us….
Brilliant conversation. Enjoying it immensely. Enjoy you both!!
I’m 48, and Harvard hasn’t been the “shining city on a hill” since affirmative action sunk its dirty talons into Harvard. Now, DEI makes the old affirmative action look conservative.
“When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you -
When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed."
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
Most affirmative action went to white women.
People are NOT getting this as a whole, and there is a 99.99% chance my comment is ghosted or erased, but>> This Warfare with woke, DEI, gender pronouns, open boarders and all this other stuff is there to BRING DOWN our institutions and our trust as subversion & demoralization programs run rampant in the west, mainly America. We may see the U.S implode and split, which is the GOAL of international Oligarchs/Corps.
I don't agree with DEI. BUT, People are celebrating the glorious dismantlement of "DEI" at Harvard, but there doesn't seem to be any "DEI" actually being dismantled. Seems like the only tangible impact is the further chilling of political speech critical of Israel
This is what actually happening. The people fighting for free speech became the first ones to silence it. Both the right and the left are frauds. One thing is clear: Don't criticize Israel in America.
All according to plan
The very first time I heard Eric, I thought he was just pissed off. However, 40 plus years working in engineering made me want to hear more. Now I realize we got lazy with our thinking…or scared to speak when we realize (feel it in our gut) that something is wrong, we just go along to get along. I throughly enjoy hearing his thought process on various topics. Chris, your methods of getting those thoughts flowing is terrific. Thanks to BOTH of you for great conversation.
My first time listening to this podcast. Eric is brilliant.
@@justsayin3600 I'll speed run you to the end of the Eric Weinstein journey... Everything he is saying is a subtle or not so subtle invitation to recognise his unrecognised brilliance. He clothes this in layers of critique and entertaining discussion but the inevitable thrust of his statements are always that brilliant people need to run things again and a certain someone just so happens to be among these marginalised geniuses. I felt so disappointed when I figured out what he is.
Sounds like a charlatan to me. I know his cv. But seriously. On other episodes he thinks physicists should work to exit this planet wtf.
And all the cheerleaders... I mean all these comments. What a joke. He expresses a couple good thoughts.. e.g. bashing modern acedemia and weak majors, string theory, etc.
However I must say, he says what he wants and doesn't seem to worry about upsetting people.
lol! Eric is arrogant beyond belief. I have seen him for a few years. He always thinks he’s the smartest person in the room. At some point in every podcast he interrupts the person whose podcast he is on to tell him let me tell you what you’re trying to say or let me tell you why you’re right for the wrong reasons etc. etc. He thinks he’s the smartest person in the room, brilliant, while at the same time thinking he is equally aggrieved & victimized. I’ll take his brother Brett any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Eric!
@@nedhill1242 Oh no I now realise I'm one of the verbose Eric detractors... 😂Are we fighting the good fight or just as bad in our own way.
There was a weird editing thing going on right at the end of Chris’s story about that band members birth certificate. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen any editing done in one of his podcasts. I wonder what was said or what happened that they needed to cut out. Anyways, great video I loved it.
What a wholesome episode. It was like two honest friends talking and just being there with Chris trying to make of it a podcast and Eric playfully challenging him and moving him away from the typical podcast structure. You can even sense some form of mentorship going in both direction, very nice.
Dude this conversation is intense! The long pauses to give each other room to think and to see who will talk is poetry like. Well done bro!
I and many others have noticed these tendencies of his but am very surprised at how few see it and how many just buy into his "genius" at face value.
I like the general ideas this guy brings up but he comes off as such a conceited "I know things neither you nor anyone else knows" narcissist that I can hardly stand listening to him.
Mr. Weinstein: Stop pausing for dramatic effect so much as if we're just hanging on every word you say. You're not the smartest, richest, wisest, sexiest, most educated, most interesting or most accomplished person who's been on this podcast.
Also, many of his sentences are just empty and lacking in genuine content. He simply hints at possible things, gives cryptic responses, or just babbles incoherently. Yes, he makes some interesting points but a lot of it is incoherent rambling and, I'll chance a guess, confabulation.
Again Mr. Weinsein: You're just one of many who may have some interesting perspectives and ideas to present but that's it. Just say what you mean, give your honest opinion without all the theatricality, and have a real, genuine conversation.
Nah, it's so pretentious from both... made me uncomfortable way too many times watching this podcast. Still it was great show.
@@andrejm77 You’re way too used to noises. Silence & clear words let alone clear thoughts will help you.
@@antirealist when exactly did he claim those things you mentioned? are you basing all that on the fact that he makes long pauses?
@@antirealistOn what did you base your conclusion that he acts this out and it is not genuine? Do you know him personally?
"I don't know how to react, there's no part of this world that looks sane to me" - this cuts deep 🖖
Hurts real good though yeah. Almost like one of JBPs many comments when he's failing to hold back the tears. Realize real life.
Because everything you have been taught about the world, was a deception. The secular reality is very compelling and alarming. But it’s a diversion from truth.
None of us are sane anymore. Why is our society and government like this? Why won't we all together stand up and shout "ENOUGH OF THIS!"
You live in a fantasy, snap out of it!
@@doesntno Our leaders have deliberately created a hell world, an inverted reality to enslave us in delusion so they can destroy Western freedoms and rule over us.
It's about power and control.
Absolutely brilliant, This turned up on my feed and out of boredom I suppose I pressed play. I was going to leave after 3.30 mins but carried on for a while . Have just got to the end, that was one of the most interesting, engrossing podcasts Ive seen for a while and the quickest 3 hours I've ever known. Thanks, liked and subscribed.
Sublime. A complete pleasure to listen to. Interviews/discussions like this give me hope
This conversation started off so good and then got exponentially better.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
I would say it got better in a linear progression.
thought it would be put me to sleep, half way through and i’m getting coffee
Edward Witten would disagree, and he's a genius.
@@doglifehub But he would be too polite and soft spoken to even mention it.
The fact that it goes quiet for a few seconds sometimes only adds to the intensity and enjoyment. Both people take in what the other is saying, and give their best articulated response. I love that, and I listened all the way through
I was starting to think it was just me: the silences, often times throughout this conversation, literally felt deafening. I had to check the video was still playing multiple times when they paused for so long: I wanted to know what they said next and… they were just thinking and it was really gripping. Ramble ramble - I liked your comment; happy days fellow travellers 🙏🙌☀️
Allows me time to process what was just said- much more easeful to listen to and allows more depth in the conversation and the listener
Two very intelligent humans interacting.
I’m a high school grad never attended college at any level. Never heard of DEI before watching this. Now I see how it cheapens the value placed on being a Harvard grad and explains how the likes of a Joy Reid can exist.
Yup- they lie to the masses. Welcome aboard
One of the most brilliant, riveting, intellectual powerhouse conversations I have heard in a VERY long time. Chris, Eric the chemistry you two have is quite rare and unseen these days. Please do another long format interview soon!
I'll listen to any conversation you two have. Please keep having them
It's wonderful
It’s really amazing. I dump on social media a lot but it also gives us such great convos like this
Eric's discussion of the power of music and prayer and the link between them really moved me. I study music history and culture for these exact reasons. The way we think, talk, socialize and even entertain ourselves is rooted in spirituality, even if we don't immediately see or feel it. There is power in the mundane, even things we don't associate with being spiritual, religious, etc. Even if you don't believe in a higher power, you can find the transcendent in the simplest things. The art and culture we make and the spiritual practices we engage in are so deeply and beautifully linked.
today's spirituality is manifested in DEI which is basically christianity without the God. . .
Very moving . He is not an atheist, I could see God's Grace wash over him. Interesting.
This is the same guy who whines at elon about why his video with tucker carlson isn’t trending 😂😂😂 ya’ll sheep
Finding the TRUE God of creation requires removing yourself from all distractions and that includes music which plays on the emotions and feelings of man. God communes with those who seek his wisdom and knowledge ABOUT who he really is thru the mind and thru the wisdom hidden within the words that seriously falable men tried to put in writing. Those that seek these writings long enough eventually find the hidden truth within all the distractions and hyperbole. Over the last 3k years that has been very few. As God calls them the "little flock". This truth has NEVER been mainstream nor known by the masses, intellects, scientists, religions, politicians, the Pope, the Kings, the universities, the monks, the Budah, etc. Only the very few that seek the TRUTH about God while knowing one must separate fact from mans fiction ever get close to understanding the cosmos and the true meaning to life and death.
What an awesome, courageous conversation. I just subscribed! I don't know much about anything, but I'm curious... I will say, I haven't heard any new ideas since string theory on any of the layman's shows where theoretical physics is mentioned!
This conversation is wonderful. So thought-provoking and ultimately honest. Thank you!
I am stunned. I was going to go to sleep, just wanted some background noise, now I'm 1/2 awake, sloppy with my words, but I can't stop thinking. I am so lucky I stumbled upon this interview, discussion. I was that kid, why why why? I have to listen again. I want to know how neutrinos get through the earth unscathed, gain a better understanding of power. I forget the exact term, but Eric's "departure" from string theory to "geometric" something. Discussion about Harvard has me thinking, hell, all of it has me thinking. Then when the guitar came out, well, I started lessons when I was 11. Rough times at the moment, I needed a serious jump start of the mind.
Gentlemen, Thank You Both.
Thanks
Isn't it great when one sentence triggers everything to fall into place like dominoes? Very cool experience!
never give up!
Geometric unity. Instead, look into John Baez, Cohl Furey, the octonions, and the Klein quartic.
15:12 15:25 15:30 16:08
When you two get together it's magical. Keep doing it.
This is my favourite so far, mate. Amazing discussion.
Best 3 hrs I've spent in a very very long time. Fascinating!
I thoroughly enjoyed the dialogue between the two of you.
The questioning back and forth is refreshing.
I genuinely think you TWO speaking together has become one of my favorite things on RUclips. Thank you for this!👏👏
“The pigs did not actually work, but directed and supervised the others. With their superior knowledge it was natural that they should assume the leadership.”
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, 17 August 1945.
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, January 17, 1961.
Listened to this over 3 days… and uhhhh Eric is utterly, bewilderingly brilliant. What a pleasure listening to him. A true pioneer of thought. Well done to Chris, too, for orchestrating an excellent conversion that I shan’t forget soon.
I got my STEM PhD from Harvard in 1993. I was pretty cynical about the place by then. I left Boston shortly after and never looked back. That it has reached this point of dysfunction is not a great surprise. You could almost see where it was going even back then. I should also say that it wasn't just me. Virtually all of my peers were of the same opinion.
I am very glad you watched this. 1993 you and all your peers shared this opinion. I wonder what you all may have done in that intervening 31 years to have kept this woke stupidity from happening.
Boston is in fact a dysfunctional city!
@@kimphilley621almost all people that leave university don't give a single s..t what happens to the university once they graduate and get a job with the degree earned there. I hate UCT in Cape Town. It broke me down and I have not fully recovered as yet and i was not able to deal with stress effectively. But let us be honest, with AGI on the horizon and more knowledge being able to be taught by current AIs, university's days are numbered. Education will become a waste of time at a traditional place of education.
@@CdawgAMVsFilmEditing : Can you please expand on this statement a little bit more? "Education will become a waste of time at a traditional place of education". I can understand that AGI may kill traditional lectures, it might make studying certain subject to be obsolete, but how can it make education in general a waste of time?
@@kimphilley621 the people that graduate from a University/Collage have no obligation to maintain that place after they are gone. Even if they wanted to, they have effectively no influence over it.
Usually I don't listen to long podcasts, but this was absolutely fascinating! I was hooked from beginning to end. Managed reality has now caught my attention. Big Thank you to both of you.
Start listening to more long form podcasts. There’s really no way to explore the complexity and nuances of any serious topic in less than one hour
Chris Williamson is great
and Randle is 100% correct. treat it like listening to someone fascinating at a party
there is so much to think about and discuss in a calm long form interview
dont let short form destroy your mind and brain chemistry
I learn more from Eric W in one hour than I probably learned in 4 years of college. Thank you Mr. Chris for having this guy on. I wish there were a stronger word than the words thank you.
Absolutely incredible show. I think that may have been the best interview I've ever seen!
People are realizing that what they've trusted in is falling apart.
by design
the most crazy part is that they trusted it in the first place
@@user-ic1lo9wh5f exactly. Everything changes..and nothing is forever...Harvard? So thats one very small representaion of a huge country..and frankly Harvard doesnt understand anymore what really makes up this country. Im not of a place "of priveledge" but that doesnt mean I don't have the ability to think, reason and progress. Harvard....whatever...
You're still trusting someone like Weinstein then you're in for another rude awakening
It was all a lie. The central banks run our world
Incredible conversation, I could listen to you guys chat for 3 more hours, thank you Chris and Eric
Yeah, Eric claiming nobody wants to listen to this must necessarily be relying on specific meanings of either the word 'listen' or 'wants'.
Everytime i hear a ad its like a knife stubbing my brain!
I love listening to Eric
@@BorrelaasEric is one of the more fascinating people I’ve ever listened to .. rare breed of person
The guest is very smart. I’m glad that you guys allow the short pauses and silences. I hope he does go on to save the idea of universities and prestige. I feel like I’ve given up on them
Thank you for these conversations
The extended pauses created by these two are absolutely lovely
My gf pointed that out while listening over my shoulder. I think to some extent, it is Chris mirroring Eric
As a great interviewer should!@@linkawaken
They turned me non-hetero.
"it's a spell" that's the most real thing that has been spoken is years. Eric has the big picture reality perspective which allows for human nature to be human and thusly make sense, most others have removed humanity from their equations.
Hahahaha 🤣
Agree!
I’ve listened several times and thanks for posting 👍 Eric is such an insightful intellect and an exceptionally articulate and conscientious guy. He’s as genuine as Christopher Hitchens. We need The Portal back Eric! 👍
Managed Reality is RIGHT. Very nice to see Eric show how smart he is
2:10:00 It's called a Latin Mass! As a Catholic I loved hearing an "atheist" talk about the richness of prayer. Great conversation guys.
Amen! The NO (which I attend regularly), is oriented around entertainment and the laity involvement. TLM is oriented around God, and when we have the proper orientation Mass becomes about us in the most profound way.
@@TheGringoSaladoone wish I have is to have experienced The Church prior to Vatican II.
@@smeuchel you can. SSPX FSSP Institute of Christ the King, Benedictine Monastery.
I agree. Chris doesn't know about Vatican II and the shifting from the Latin mass to the local vernacular, including English.
@@jelink22 and how the mass changed from God oriented to laity oriented, which has had disastrous consequences.
We need a podcast with you guys every 6-12 months. The depth of knowledge and insight comprised within Eric is extremely fascinating. Love hearing his unique perspective on current events occurring within society and around the world as a whole.
For sure! I can tell by your comment, and other comments there are many intelligent people viewing this.
@@justsayin3600 Appreciate. Grateful to be amongst other intelligent individuals such as yourself. 🙏🏼
Brilliant on all levels. Fantastic interview. The host - brilliant, the guest - brilliant.
I think I just need to learn more about this guy. Studied theoretical physics, did not like the M-theory environment, opted for particle physics and eventually left bc of all the bs that does not belong in science. Just too many people choking science to extinction. It is such a relief to hear somebody say it and also say it in a way that is true and real and honest. No claims just things everybody can witness. It is the right discussion to be had. It is actually about becoming conscious of the human strategies that prevent real science to happen. Maybe it is even about the emotional part of human that does not help the intellectual part but tries to "save everybody" buy choking them. Interesting stuff.
I crave having this sort of conversation among peers or anyone for that matter. I have skated the fringe and when it happens it’s usually unexpected. Simply enjoyable. Chris is intelligent and an amazing conductor of the information flow and Eric is a chasm you can get completely swallowed by so maybe I’m not capable of their depths, intelligence etc. but I just want to experience in the slightest what I experienced internally while watching this episode. I want to be able to generate that feeling of wonder and connection for myself (in conversation) and others and not need to watch it somewhere. Anyway, Really great to watch. Brilliant commentary and interaction by both men. Thank you.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Truly lovely comment. Thank you.
Me too, me too. I wish I had understood this earlier and dedicated my life to it. It's too late now, not enough years left and so many other time-consuming things to learn like, at the moment, Hebrew. So far, I see no candidates among my children and grandchildren to carry the torch on. My husband was a physicist but he was only very smart which isn't smart enough.
Easily the best comment on here! Like everyone here - COULD NOT AGREE MORE! well said! Thank you
I was thinking the same (similar as I cannot express myself so eloquently, English is my 3rd language). I live in a small town and it is very difficult for me to have an intellectual conversation with somebody. Most people I know shut me down very quickly and say "you think too much". And that is it. Thanks to RUclips I can at least passively participate in interesting debates 😊
1:22:39: Creating spaces to freely discuss anything, in a sense these are symbolic spaces, indeed very necessary for a healthy society.
I wish there was a double like button. I love your interviews with Eric.
I was going to make the same comment. I Really enjoyed this one.
Great set. Nicely edited.
Amazing - could we have more product placement please? Luv that stuff.
"Explain it to me like I'm a golden retreiver." Chris is kinda like a Golden. In the best of ways. Love you both!
This guy is so arrogant, he talks in riddles and circles also....
Maybe you're just not bright enough to understand@@meganmarie2173 🤷🏻♂
Chris is good at taking a challenge despite not matching Eric's knowledge.... lot of hosts would simply skip this kind of discussion due to that level difference.
Chris knows a lot more than Eric and is probably the wiser of the two
They both are very knowledgeable but in different areas. It doesn't have to be a competition just suppose to be a conversation.
@@gregorypeterson9 Eric is obtuse and non-committal. Chris can be that way too. Neither brave enough to take a true stand like some brave others do, but at least willing to stick their necks out a little bit. Good on them.
I sometimes lose where Eric is going because of the way he talks about multiple perspectives at the same time. Chris is more explicit. I appreciate both.
All I see is him giving opanions.
Love this episode and Eric and Chris. I just found them both and I am addicted. One small note regarding Churchill’s father’s letter, although it was a sad moment in young Churchill’s life it may have been the reason he was able to stand toe to toe to Hitler. From my life, some of the harshest comments motivated me to change or at least to be strong enough to stand tall against comments made by others.
When I watch his videos those prolonged pauses make me check if the video is buffering only for it to resume as soon as I check lol.
DEI, eliminates merit and is anti character based. It focuses everything on identity as opposed to character. I am convinced we will look back at this time and see it as being very racist, sexist, and bigoted. The recent lawsuits against DEI and ESG are going to be a wake up call for companies and universities. It has promoted people regardless of their merit or character. An unearned position is insane. The fact is it encourages quotas and anti talent hiring. We already have countless examples of it cost businesses and entertainment billions.
There isn't going to be any wake-up call. DEI nonsense is just a reflection of two underlying population-level philosophical beliefs: Collectivism vs Individualism.
Yeah, and by listening to this guy, you are actually listening to the hypocrites running this show and these theatrical companies
@@imaginalex5850 where in the fuck did you pull that stance from?
Character is everything.
So I assume you're also against legacy admissions in colleges and nepotism within the workplace, correct?
This is probably the 4th or 5th podcast I've watched with Eric, and for some reason in all the others I felt I didn't fully understand what he was saying. The first 20 minutes of this episode really helped me understand his cryptic, metaphorical way of speaking about certain subjects. I totally get it now. I watch Brett and Heather stuff all the time, and have for years, but THANK YOU CHRIS for allowing this man's intellect to find it's verbal footing. Well fucking done sir.
Absolutely
It helps to hear it a few times to get into Eric's way of thinking. Every time I get some more out of each sentence.
It's called pilpul and it's not a good thing.
@@fenrifegads5571 not at all. Did you try to listen several times to him in a podcast?
@@Schachtens Why on earth would I want to listen to a J?
Your rabbi would be ashamed of such weak pilpul, moshe. You can't just say "not at all" and have that be it. Do better.
Based just on the introduction you gave them ("my top five songs for the year"), I knew you were going to say Sleep Token. No other band has had the same level of impact on people (or on music) this past year or so. I'm sure Eric would love them.
Chris, you are a great conversationalist. Well done.
I grew up in Germany and Austria. No form or document ever listed "Gender" (Geschlecht), it was always "Sex". Gender was only used for declension of words to express different grammatical categories such a case, number and gender (male female and neutral)
Same in English but after people stopped using elaborate euphemisms for coitus and “having sex” became a common expression, making “sex” from a noun to a verb, typical Anglo-Saxon prudery meant “gender” became the euphemism for the noun “sex”, heretofore a word that never required euphemism. Women’s studies came out of literary departments, and adopted the linguistic term “gender” for the idea of socially constructed sex roles, which do comprise additional identities beyond binary sex itself, just as linguistic gender has neuter, and in some languages, more categories. This confusion allowed certain ideas to tunnel into public consciousness.
I find the word "GeschlechtsVerkehr" entirely too funny when transliterated: Gender Traffic 🤣
@@hypergraphic ..that is hilarious. Additionally I haven't "heard" that word in like 30 years :-)
@@zimzob Hah hah, I posted a video a while ago called "the academic appropriation of gender" inspired by this exact thought. I'm going to assume that I just met one of the 13 people who have watched it, rather than admit that maybe others have had the same thought. 😄
This is absolutely correct-gender is a grammatical term; however, look up a sociologist called John Money. He’s the one who developed the theory of “gender” in the 1950’s as a “social construct,” as behavior, as opposed to sex, which is obviously biology. If you look him up in Wikipedia you’ll find out a lot of very remarkable information, including what happened with twin boys, and how he interfered in their lives to encourage one to be raised as a girl and the other a boy. it did not end well- very sad actually.
I feel that Eric interviewed Chris exceptionally well throughout Chris’ podcast.
Haha! You said it!
The more you interrogate Eric the more he closes down, by demonstrating a willingness to embrace an invitation to answer a question the More Eric opens up. the trade off was probably 15 to 85 In part because answers were used to further better illustrate the scope of his own questions.
Wow! Loved this interview as a person who loved physics...
Eric, if you’re having fantasies about not being well known, maybe it’ll give you some comfort that I had never heard of you before about 3 weeks ago, so there’s some hope there…but I do particularly enjoy listening to you and the moderator weave through all of the different subjects that you two have touched upon and I will be looking for more of your other content.
Also, thank you for knowledgeably expressing your distain with the “string theory” street gang and how they’ve railroaded physics. I’m old enough and have seen just enough (all the while knowing too little) that has made me ask, “where’s the meat” when it comes to that field.
Carry on.
"Lying, lying, lying is the substrate of our society." Nailed it.
A hallmark of Marxism.
Agree with him. Im sick of it
as a recent Harvard grad, I nominate Eric as the the prez
😂😂😂😂 sure you are😂😂😂
How was your experience at Harvard?
college is college, beer bongs, girls, girls, books, and more girls.@@Rocket9944
The bit where he talks about how we could decide obvious questions within minutes or days if we chose to is profound.
On so many levels this discussion was powerful and extremely important. Thank you so much.
The unifying force that no one can explain: good music.
It always has been. In the past, in the US, when there was segregation. One of the only 'Black' things 'White' people were exposed to was 'Black' music. Even in the 40s and 50s 'Black' music was very popular amongst a lot of white people. It literally was one of the bridges that built friendship and mutual respect between different people. Many people bonded over the same music, even if they were from different races or ethnicities.
"Get the crazy people who do not understand human development away from our children" This may be the most poignant moment of this discussion. I aspire to understand what Eric is speaking about and I am as confounded as he is as to why everyone seems to be focused on the wrong things in life.
Because the majority of people have their every waking moment squandered or monopolized by work and various government requirements.
People are consumed by the urgency of now.
I followed almost everything he said... Except when it came to sex and gender. Gender can be separated from sex, but then it also loses its grounding in principle. If gender is expression, then it is equally sensitive to cultural norms - eg Scottish skirts. But it isn't a skirt, it's a kilt. If it is just culturally presenting on the gendered style spectrum, then it is little more than personality and style, which is individual, not measurable in a meaningful way.
And when it comes to sex, it's more about how the exception proves the rule. Sex is binary because we can discretely identify the exceptions. A car doesn't stop being a car just because 2 wheels fell off.
But I also completely disagree with the mind/body incongruence argument. You can't be born in the wrong body because nobody chooses that, and the two develop inexorably from each other. If you are uncomfortable with being a man, the best you can do is present as a woman... That's something else... It's a fantasy. We all tell ourselves false stories to get through the day... But going so far as to not just picking a unique style to your own, but choosing the stereotype of the other is... Well... Something is not right.
There are some very interesting lectures on AdS/CFT (SITP RUclips channel and others including mrtps playlists), quantum complexity and a possible relationship to momentum, the entanglement structure of space time often referred to as a holographic theory, a duality between two descriptions of a system. While the CFT part came from string theory...and was arrived at working on blackhole information paradoxes...scientists are making progress on things like superconductors using it. I wonder what Eric thinks about using the results of string maths in this context.
this was the best thing I've seen all year. thank you both.
From a 77 yr old Canadian woman with grade 12 and a few Technical Inst. courses, I enjoyed this up to the 2:15 hr mark. Will finish tomorrow.❤
have you had a chance to finish listening yet? I absolutely loved the last half.
@@nashole23 Not yet. I saved it. It's Sunday in Lent for me. Will give it a go for sure. I don't watch tv news at all. Mostly RUclips or Rumble.
Both the beginning and the end of this interview had an emphasis on exclusion and greatness, and it's sorely needed.
Great conversation, I really enjoyed it!
Great podcast. Just finished.
I appreciate the cadence of this conversation.
What a fantastic podcast….. you forget how much you miss them…. Listening to Eric reminds me of talking to my grandfather a nuclear engineer who spoke 5 languages including Latin who was scientifically religious…… and the interesting pathways his conversations take…. Thank you for sharing these conversations
You’re probably busy but care to share any interesting stories?
Please tell me how to have a conversation with a religious person about their beliefs they always just blabber nonsense.
@@captainbube1217 well it depends on who you talk to….. we’ll educated articulate AND religious people aren’t interested in talking with someone who’s openly hostile…. Think of it this way, Neil DeGrasse Tyson has said he won’t debate flat earthers…. Why because there is no convincing then….
It’s the same way with you, how can I tell? Because you said you’ve never had that conversation…. The zealots who think that it’s their job to convert everyone will spend the time talking to you but the other type of people don’t have time or patience to waste on you….
But have a an interesting conversation with someone and it brushes against belief it’s dependent ON YOU and how you talk about it…. Is it, oh yah big spaghetti monster judging blah blah blah…. And they’ll shut down and move on…. OR do you say something like I’ve never understood how some people can be religious and scientific? Am I missing a part of the human condition that has FAITH? Oh youre religious? How do you navigate those two seemingly (at least to me) contradictory views….. wow I don’t think I can’t view it that way but it’s fantastic that you can….. you saw it with Eric, he’s an atheist who prays…. He recognizes the importance of religion to the human condition…. He recognizes the beauty of the cathedrals and art sponsored by the church…. Sure know where they failed as organization but MAYBE don’t throw those points in religious peoples faces if you want to have an interesting conversation…. Cause they can throw the complete failure of the socialists ideology in yours…..
@@green1880 it’s hard but here’s something that Eric said that reminded me of a conversation around me when I was 11 in ‘91…. Just like Eric it was on a train except we were going from Lithuania to St Petersburg. And my grandfather spoke about how at fermi lab they’ll were using the particle collider to find out the deeper secrets of the universe…. And you have to understand that religion was considered to be the opiate of the masses in the USSR but there were people who still wanted to believe and Slavs AND Russians aren’t afraid to debate…. So they would say “but the Bible says god created the earth in a day” and my grandfather would say what is a day to something that is everlasting, that was always there before and will be after the last star burns out….. always with a kind voice and an understanding to skeptics but with the firm belief that wonderful balance that is our universe shows that something found beauty in making something that no matter how deep we dig there are reasons for why things work. Now this is happening in a crowded train car with people crowding the door to listen and participate and someone playing a guitar quietly in the next car some religious songs with people quietly singing (think like a round a campfire to songs you have the words on sheet in front of you but you really don’t know that well)….
I really miss my grandfather His name was Willie but I called him Pappa…… I (luckily) inherited some of his smarts but I lacked the discipline for higher education but I’m a veracious reader and I LUV PODCASTS!!! And I miss that I can’t debate string theory with him and get his opinions on dark matter and energy AND NOW DARK CHEMISTRY!!!!! His options on how dimensions work and wether or not things like Iowasca or DMT or mushrooms can bring you closer to god or something else? Or does your own mind choose which to allow in, the good or the bad? He might have antiquated ideas about such things but I know for a fact he’s be interested in the data coming out of those experiments! Well this might be not what you were hoping to hear but was nice to share a memory about my grandfather with someone and hopefully you found it mildly interesting….
@@jamesflowers7142 i am not openly hostile in any way, but religious people see it as hostile if you ask them simple questions about their beliefs.
Questions like: „why would god by needed to explain any part of the universe or human condition?“
„How would you explain god to me?“
They will quote 5000 year old books as if its the undeniable truth, but no religious person can just answer the simplest questions about their faith or why i should consider them sane when they believe stuff that is not grounded in any phenomenon besides the human condition.
If a rock falls down a cliff, how does god come into play there? What is the difference between a rock falling of a cliff and human evolving from a single celled organism based on the exact same physical phenomenon.
I dont know what you are on about with the socialist stuff when all of my family members alive at the time of national socialism where in line with the party standards through memetic warfare of the SS AND in line with the religious memes they were TAUGHT by their elders.
To my knowledge there is no human being that conceived the existence of god or the nonexistence of it through pure logically explainable deduction, it always comes down to whether they where biased by the opinions of some demagogue.
I dont deny that religious institutions over the history of humanity build good things and fabulous cathedrals, my entires homecountrys heritage and any great building in my homecountry is informed by religious motive,
None of that makes it any more logical or explains to me why these people believe in things they have no reason to believe.
Ive talked with many intelligent religious people about their faith but they all cannot give me a single reason or even an explanation why they believe in anything besides their opinions of the world.
But it still is their opinion and nothing else, but to claim that their opinion is divine truth is just straight insane.
I am fully willing to be convinced of the existence of god or the logic of religion beyond as a bandaid of the human condition, but as you showed in your comment noone can even start to explain the usecase of religion beyond basic group dynamic and the human condition.
Its all just gobbledygook that goes nowhere in the end.
Amazing conversation - thank you for doing this.
Fascinating conversation. Very interesting guest
the only thing that keeps us from doing the right thing is our need for comfort
Far from it.
I mean... well... there's also Intelligence, know-how, awareness, alacrity, habit formation, blind spots, exhaustion, fatigue, fear (which is why we seek comfort), illness, **dishonesty**. There's a lot to it and it ain't easy.
@@hypno5690 cool
power
And what do you think the right thing is?
*As a Yalie, allow me to interject: Yale Alumni Contributions have been driven down year after year since the late 1980's, primarily due to the Alums being **_embarrassed_** at being associated with our Academy. I was a STEM student at Yale (for my professional degree - I made no attempt to finish a terminal degree), in the 1978-1981 period. At that time, Yale was, to paraphrase Weinstien, both a terrible place, and a slice of heaven, both at the same time.*
*When I was there, the "invisible side of Yale" was the exclusive domain of the so-called "Secret Societies" - places like Skull and Bones. The academic side of the institution was just beginning it's flirtation with with today's Leftist ideologies, but they were still very much a fringe minority and they were mocked mercilessly. Today, the roles are reversed: the STEM academy is completely subsumed (in reality, not on paper), by the Humanities department. So, the people with no interest nor ability in STEM are running it [into the ground], while the people who have these scientific gifts are second or third class academic citizens who have to go along with this if they want to graduate with anything more than a quarter million dollars in debt. I have several friends who refused to pay for Medical or Legal training for their children, as they no longer believe there Is any such training available. Concurrently, all but one of the people in my class have moved into a non-clinical position, or else, gone into a niche corner to practice - so-called "Boutique Practices", where people like Dr. Gay can have no direct nor indirect effect on their lives.*
*We have such a serious shortage of physicians in this country that Medicine as a field has been atomized and credentialized, to allow non medical people to cover some small area of medicine for them. For instance, Respiratory therapists are the ones most likely to place an airway outside of the OR, and they have full prescribing rights as well, provided they stay within their credentialed scope of practice. There are dozens of variations on this theme, from Surgical "technicians" to "Physician Assistants", to "Nurse Practitioners". We as a society have effectively killed the **_practice_** of Medicine, by replacing the _"Art" of Medicine with "Evidence Based Medicine (essentially a a methodology of turning practice into a flow chart), while relegating the actual science of Medicine to the PhD researchers, in toto. The result is severely undertrained, underinformed, questionably competent MD/DO (they recently became legally identical) graduates. This makes the shortage worse, and the circle goes round and round.*
*Yale has been a laughingstock for a very long time now. Harvard, despite Dr. Weinstein's belief, has also been a laughingstock for a long time - just not as long as Yale. If you go into a university library system that carries "The Crimson" [Harvard Alum Magazine], you can see the changes starting to take place, gaining momentum, and finally reaching the point of adverse Absurdity in the 2010's.*
Did you call people who pointed out the dangers with giving ground to the Humanists, conspiracy theorists? I mean at any point before the 2010s.
@@Ewil.Bluetooth
Yes actually. As any of my friends, victims, or wives will attest, I have been railing bout this since at least 1980, when "DRG's" became a substitute for professional judgement. I was careful to keep my concerns at a low volume until I could graduate, but the worry was already there and in loud stereophonic sound. The group cries didn't become loud enough to be universally heard and discussed until the 2003-ish destruction of medicine was made official through the fully implemented credential system. This forced everyone to have a "specialty" if they wanted to use their license to practice, and that credential requires (a) renewal by examination every 10 years, and (b) that every practitioner (not just MD/DO practitioners) follow the ridiculous "Evidence Based Medicine" structure. EBM is a blight on medicine, society as a whole, and on every individual it has maimed or killed - while proving cover for an EBM Based killing through practice norms set by EBM. People forget quickly how fast things move: in the 70s and 80s, extreme trauma patients were supposed to be fitted with pressure suits ("MAST trousers" - you'll have to look it up to believe it) - when they were bleeding fast, or were more than a few minutes from the nearest trauma rated emergency room. Those MAST pants killed a LOT of people, and it did it in several different ways - ALL of which were fully obvious before their use became the standard of care. MAST pants are museum pieces now, but there are many things just like them in medicine now, and these have more protections, and will be used far longer than they would have been when "professional judgement" was the standard of care. In our attempt to "fix the horrors of medical training, and ostensibly in the name of Patient Safety, we deliberately cut medical training (post graduate training, aka Residency) by more than 2/3rds. And the result, which was obvious from the moment it was conceiver, is now ours to try and avoid. Good luck with that, as practitioners trained the old fashioned way are dying off, retiring, or getting new careers that have less stress, abuse, and regimentation - with similar or superior rewards.*
Wooow!!! 😮
It's sad what's happening and disappointingly true.
The absurdity is now on steroids. A Canadian university announced it was going to "decolonize" engineering and start the process with a two-row wampum treaty with Indian tribes. Comedy ensued as tribes in New York state were referenced. I guess they don't have a competent history department. A peer-reviewed journal described efforts to develop "feminine glaciology. I tell people about these bizarre developments, and they believe it's the work of isolated wackos. The bad news that this is the current state of universities in the English-speaking West hasn't sunk in yet.
@AnonymousSquirrel123 I enjoyed reading your comment. Well said, and well written.
This is a great interview, thank you for posting.