Hurst vs MGW review
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Link to the S197 MGW shifter:
www.mgwltd.com/...
Link to the MGW Rally shift ball in video:
www.mgwltd.com/...
Before and after w/ the Hurst and MGW plus CHE torque limiters. Both shifters are great but the MGW is well worth the money. $340 for the MGW and $180 for the k-member with torque limiters but its smooth now and still incredibly short. The MGW is set at 6 turns in the video and is fairly new. I may also do a full 10 turns and see how short the throw is.
Like I said both are great but the MGW is better in almost every way besides price. The Hurst ate through the gasket in a matter of months.
**I also have another MGW review in my 08 Corvette. Great quality piece.**
I've gone from a hurst to a barton then to a mgw, and honestly there is no comparison. The mgw out performs the others by leaps and bounds. If you want a short throw, just pay a little extra and go with mgw.
I got the hurst short throw competition shifter last year and i love it it makes the car so much more fun to drive
Actually in all fairness, I've owned both and in my opinion I love the MGW far more. I did nothing extra on either shifters and the MGW shifts from 1st to 2nd perfectly in my 2010 Mustang gt. the Hurst however I can't same the same for. So for my vehicle and my experience with both I'm all MGW. But for those searching please do your own homework and see what's a better fit for you.
6800 and she's still running strong. A lot of guys on the forums are running 6500-7000 with no problems. I wouldn't recommend hitting the rev limiter often but honestly after owning the car for a few years I never heard of anyone hurting the engine by over revving it. It was mostly burning up clutches or having too much horsepower for the stock block.
The Hurst is a great shifter for the money. It wasn't completely the issue with the grinding but it was causing the rough shifts from 1st to 2nd. The way it's mounted causes the linkage to get out of alignment and sometimes grind or just not go into gear until well after you press the clutch pedal.
If you do decide to get a short throw I would either go right for an MGW or get the Hurst with a K-member support and torque limiters.
I don't think the Hurst shifter is the issue for the 1st to 2nd grind. The factory shifter does the same thing once in awhile in my 09 GT. I always assumed it was because I didn't have the clutch pedal fully depressed when trying to shift. I'll be buying the Hurst for my car. Not because I think it is better per se, but because I am 54 and have always had great luck with them. You can pound the piss out of them and they keep on going. And besides, I think that MGW looks like shit compared to a Hurst.
In this video I am running with a Pypes offroad H-pipe, Pypes Violators axleback and the stock headers.
I liked the sound it had probably the most. Not too loud but still sounded aggressive. The other setups I did later on down the road where nice but had issues with trumpeting and other annoyances.
It was a combination of the MGW shifter, CHE K-member support w/ torque limiters and new pennzoil trans fluid. The MGW is a nicer shifter and felt better in my opinion but if you're grinding it's most likely due from the transmission going or too much power that's torquing the transmission.
I wouldn't really said I regret buying my Hurst. It was an improvement over stock but the piece was far from high quality. The jump up to an MGW is always a lot no matter what the car but it's worth it in my opinion. You just have to feel the shifter and see how much better its built but if the Hurst works keep it till it falls off.
Yes I usually always took it to the rev limiter. It came on pretty quick with the 4.10 gears. Never seemed to bother the car too much. I've heard that with cams you shouldn't go over 6800 and I've also heard the car can take 7000 completely stock its up to you and whomever tunes the car in the end.
I've read that Royal Purple Sychromax eats the lining from the sychros in the Tremec 3650. That's why I asked Kadorja.
The MGW is worth the extra money. It has a lot more quality parts and you can change pretty much everything about it down to the height of the shifter or even the angle to the left or right.
After the install you will turn the shifter linkage all the way clockwise as far as you can. That's the longest throw. The more turns to the left the shorter and notchier the throw becomes. Max on an S197 is about 10 turns.
Hurst was ok but it was loud and way too notchy.
Just the standard competition plus shifter. From what I've read it's a 40% shorter throw than the 30% the billet comp plus offers but that may be why it was fairly notchy.
Nope I swapped the shifter at the same time I did the torque limiters but after having an MGW in my Mustang and in a C6 Corvette I would have to say the MGW is a much better piece. It looks and feels incredible. The Hurst was a step up from stock though.
I almost went for the Hurst. But now I've decided to just keep the stock shifter. Make sure nothing goes wrong.
Stock shift is a piece of poop lmao your probably more likely to miss a shift and break something with the stock shifter tbh
@FordFan8691 Yeah the shifter is $240 I think and the ball and collar where $60. Expensive but they are definitely quality.
Manual transmissions have transmission fluid or oil in them. I've changed the transmission fluid in that car before to improve it's performance.
Do a google search for transmission fluid and you will find "ATF" which is automatic transmission fluid and manual transmission fluid.
Metal on metal contact at high speeds (transmission gears) without oil wouldn't last for too long before something heated up too much or simply wore out. ATF fluid is for lubrication and hydraulic pressure.
Also, transmissions will shift better on good oil vs shit oil
It could be any number of things. Clutch may be worn out, the torque might be letting the transmission flex the shifter too much or the transmission may be worn down. First thing I would do is change the transmission fluid. I believe Pennzoil Synchromesh is the best choice for the S197. After that if it's still acting up go with the K-member bracket w/ torque limiters and then the shifter. The way the MGW is mounted helps a lot but it may be something cheaper that fixes it.
The hurst does look good but i think im going to go ahead and order me the mgw for my stang. Have been doing my research.
Great video
@BOUNTYWAY Over stock im not sure how much of a difference it would be. I had a few times at very high RPM where I couldnt shift into 2nd at all and once I hit 350hp it was pretty tough not to grind. I would constantly double clutch or shift at 5500 or so to avoid grinding (rev limiter is currently at 6800). With the CHE k-member and torque limiters I can peg the rev limiter and slam it into 2nd with no problem at all. Its pretty easy to install yourself too. Definitely worth the $180 or so.
You can get it from MGWs web site but no the shifters do not come with a shift ball. I think it was like $40 maybe? It's not cheap but it's a great quality knob.
@Whitedealer07 Its a lot smoother and easier. I enjoyed the Hurst while I had it but I can definitely say the MGW is worth it. I had it set at a very short throw in the video. I actually turned it out from 6 turns to 4 and its a lot less notchy than it was and I raised the handle up some. With it so short and low it was hard to shift as fast.
@green97probe None at all. I've heard a lot of different views on trans fluid but I think a lot of people will agree the Pennzoil is great. It's not to hard to find either I had some issues with the Royal Purple I was running before.
The hurst is a great shifter. Must have not been installed right.
Chevyblock 550 I agree the Hurst is a great shifter but the MGW lineup has always been much better quality. They're expensive but they produce an amazing shifter.
As for the install it was 100% correct. I was a lot younger in this video but I did my fair share of wrenching on this car in particular and know it was on the way it was intended to be. I've done everything from the grill, hood scoop (including cutting the hole), CMDP install and long tube headers. A shifter is a walk in the park.
Installing an MGW Flat stick in my 2010 Mustang GT this coming weekend.I debated for weeks on which to go with: Hurst,Barton,or MGW.I have watched countless videos and read even more reviews about all three of them! Ultimately,I decided on the MGW,its a bit pricier but I think (I hope) I made the right choice. Time will tell I suppose!
Who is it? I'm also deciding on what shifter i should get
So... maybe there's something I don't know but AFAIK grinding going into second would be due to synchro rings, not anything to do with the shifter. I mean sure, maybe the shifter can be tweaked to REALLY cram it into gear, but discounting the RPMs at the time and the synchro performance is probably a bit silly for comparing shifters.
freezerlunik The S197s had a terrible remote mounted shifter. The back half is mounted to the frame of the car while the front was a long and skinny metal brace attached to the transmission itself. The transmissions did torque heavily which wouldn't allow the shifter to properly line up. If it was the synchros alone it wouldn't of changed a single thing with the shifter and brace but up until the day I sold that car I had no issues with the MGW.
Let me know how it feels and I hope you enjoy it. I have one for my Vette now and it's definitely a lot better than stock in that car as well. I can't say enough good things about MGW.
My Hurst grinds in 2nd too..MGW on it's way!
The Hurst wasn't too much effort but you could feel how notchy it was. Didn't feel like it was gliding in but you didn't need to force it either.
The MGW will differ depending on where you set it. I initially had it at a very short throw but it was a little more force required than what I was looking for. I lengthened the throw and moved the handle a little higher which felt a lot better.
Overall I think with the MGW on a similar throw distance as the Hurst it will be smoother with the MGW.
did u notice a huge difference with the CHE torque limitiers?
Any issues with the Pennzoil? I have been reading about what fluid is best for the Tremec 3650 in the 05-10 Mustang GT, and can't find any definite answers.
Which shifter needs more effort to shift?... You know, after they're both broken in I mean. Thanks
@BlownTPI383 I haven't had any issues like that with the MGW so far. I did just recently drop it down to 3 turns and its still a very short throw but it stays perfectly still in every gear. I would double check and make sure everything is snug and mounted right. Is yours on an S197? I know with my transmission once I switched the fluid out to Pennzoil it definitely made everything feel a lot better.
Not trying to be mean or anything but your shifts seemed a lot slower with the mgw maybe because you just got it. i have the hurst in my car now making 450rwhp and having zero problems with it. I was thinking of switching to the mgw just for something different.
Does your MGW have slop while in gear, like 1st, 2nd and 5th? I just installed mine and it has slop while in gear. It's much better than stock but I was wondering if the slop is because of the remote shifter design.
ive decided to go with MGW when the time comes, ive seen nothing but positive things said about it so im sold. last question, did the shift knob come with it or did you buy it separately?
You sure? I think I was driving in this video but I might be wrong it was a while ago.
What kind of shift knob setup is that? I've been looking for something like that for my 08
I switched from Hurst billet to MGW and never looked back.
I have the hurst installed and my car scratches at high RPMs just like yours. Do you think the hurst shifter is at fault??
exhaust sounds great, may have convinced me to drop 340 bucks
when you did the 0-120 how high were you shifting? I heard you say earlier that your rev limiter was at 6800 and then you hit it so were you really shifting that high?
@Kadorja
Thanks for the reply. I'd like to get the MGW as well to replace the stock shifter
did u say u set your rev limiter to 6800? u do know thats when they were having failures and set it to 6250 rpm stock...
What kinda ball is the black one in the beginning of the video?
My damn Hurst shifter does the same thing into second...is this problem solved with the MGW?
im looking at getting a short shifter my GT soon, im stuck between this and the hurst billet. would you recommend the MGW over the hurst? also, with MGW the lower number of turns, the shorter the shift right?
hey bro my bird used to grind 2nd also going WOT, not cruising just like you. its syncro adjustment. adjusted mine and never again(:
did you ever try the hurst with the CHE torque dampners
Really cause i have the same problem with my stang currently, how did you adjust it so i didn't grind?
Nice shifter but looks to short and no leaverage to shift it fast. Wish my tko shifted like that! Lol
I just installed my mgw on my 01 gt. it's pretty short. Im always thinking its not all the way in gear because how short lol. It's also pretty stiff. Idk if that's normal
it grinds because you did not set up the shifter right at the bump stops just saiyan.
Larry Broad it's been about 8 years since I installed this part and sadly the Mustang is long gone but it definitely wasn't an adjustment issue.
There are no bump stops for this vehicle. It's a remote mounted shifter that can flex under high RPM. The Hurst was mostly thin stamped steel that couldn't retain it's shape. The MGWs base was milled out of a solid piece as well as a much thicker mounting point at the rear and stronger linkage connecting to the transmission.
I've owned two MGW shifters and they're one of the best products for the price.
btw, the ball and collar come from mgw too?
Thanks i appreciate it!
Our 4 valves have been revving to 7 grand for years without problems I don't know why anyone would be worried.
It's not the shifter tremic has problems with 2 3 shift Ford's Chevys have this problem change oil make sure its warmed up before pounding on it if it still does this put in carbon fiber synchro rings replace 2nd gear junk
Is that the hurst billet shifter?
what kind of exhaust to do have? Sound nice and beefy!
I was thinking about buying the Hurst short throw shifter, but I'm having second thoughts now. Did the 1-2nd gear grind stop?
He must have not installed it correctly. I've never heard of grinding issues.
and i hit 120 in 4th also ;) lol. good shifting!
Hey quick ? What is this CHE torque limiter you have installed? What does it do?
They bolt up to the k member support and transmission. Limits the twisting of the transmission from engine torque so you don't lose power and helps the shift linkage line up during high rpm shifts. Less missed shifts/grinding.
MGW rally series shift ball.
Little pricey at $70 but it was a pretty nice piece.
I'll link it in the description.
great video thanx. how much shorter is the throw with the mgw vs the hurst?
Since it's adjustable it's up to you but even with the longest throw it was still noticeably shorter if i remember correctly. The shorter you adjust the MGW the notchier feeling it will be but some enjoy that shift feeling more than others.
That is a mean sounding car.
My brothers 93 is the same thing going into second
iSwagzable did you find the issuse why
it would be cool but im on a tight budget
I regret buying hurst, but I don't have money to blow on a $275+ shifter
its not an automatic thus meaning its not gonna have transmission fluid haha.
meh
Need to stop granny shifting and learn how to speed shift a stick
Thanks Dom. It’s all about family in the end.
@green97probe None at all. I've heard a lot of different views on trans fluid but I think a lot of people will agree the Pennzoil is great. It's not to hard to find either I had some issues with the Royal Purple I was running before.
@green97probe None at all. I've heard a lot of different views on trans fluid but I think a lot of people will agree the Pennzoil is great. It's not to hard to find either I had some issues with the Royal Purple I was running before.