I went through that shit as a kid, and it is not a nice thing to subject a child to. My dad also was slightly abusive. The only incident I can remember vividly is when I was 6 years old, my dad slapped the absolute shit out of me for asking him to fix my toy. That being said, I still love my parents
Having a dysfunctional marriage, but refusing to get divorced just because of the stigma is just as nonsensical as thinking that getting married will FIX a dysfunctional relationship.
"Ciga-cigar right from Cuba-Cuba I just bite it It's for the look, I don't light it" Sums up everything quite well I think. It's ALL for the look. Sad but that's what he thought it took to make it.
I don't think they got married to fix the relationship. They got married because of outside cultural pressures. Will felt like men need to be married in order to be successful. Jada felt she had to get married because of pressure from Will and her relatives. And it may be nonsensical in our view, but it happens all the time. As a society, we still hold marriage up on a pedestal as the best model of relationships. We criticize people who choose to stay single or unmarried. We criticize people who don't believe in monogamy. Things are slowly changing, but these are still the mainstream views and many people still feel like they have to comply with social pressures.
It's literally what every other boomer-era couple did yet they all wonder how they raised an entire generation of kids with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and PTSD that came from either daddy's drinking problems or from the number of times they remember mommy "walked into a door", give me a break. Just get divorced!
Dudette, every other married couple you know is like this. They're no different from anyone. Marriage is fraudulent. People stay together for all sorts of reasons.
The morals of today's story is "Don't marry anybody that don't want to marry you" and also, "Don't say yes, if really mean no." Don't be pressured into marriage and don't pressure somebody else.
To add on from a man’s perspective, make sure the woman says I love you first and brings up marriage as well. It’s important because women tend tj have the most option compared to men so if she says I love you and wants to marry you, she’s more likely gonna make your marriage happy unless she’s a psycho
For a family that tries to show they openly communicate and talk they really don't know a thing about each other. Watching them express themselves is like watching strangers sitting at a table trying to break the ice.
@@FyeRye She is a sociopath. You ever know someone like that in your life? They are narcissist and try to get what they want without considering who they hurt or have any moral compass. Will ain’t innocent either.
the whole time I am making this video i'm thinking.. they never had to share ANY of this. One interview/press statement that says "We are separated, but still love and support each other & our family." And the whole world would still think nothing but positive thoughts about them
@@PatrickCc Yah i first thought it when you showed the lists they made and I thought, “you could have just kept that to yourself bud.” Jeez. It was so sad to hear the quote from the daughter about their interaction in the kitchen. Anyhow, another great and fascinating video. Thank you, and thanks for the reply. :)
I was grateful when my parents were honest about their failed marriage. I spent much of my childhood being pushed to "pretend along" that everything was normal and fine. Once they started being honest about their experience and mistakes, it was painful, but I felt liberated, because it validated my gut instincts that things hadn't been right. I don't think we can decide for Willow whether this is hurting or healing, only she can. This may be far less painful than sitting at home in silence having to tell the world everything's fine.
Because most sign up for it. Unless your blackballed into it then. I feel bad, like Britney Spears or even Justin Bieber. People keep talking about his marriage was not willingly. The same people who were Britney Spears management are also Justin Bieber’s management….. both child stars.
i think this is the first time i'm actually listening to will and jada's issues at my own will, the media makes their relationship issues unavoidable lol
Both are people who think they are the most important person on the planet. That's what narcissists do, watch out for only themselves. Now put two of them together and you get this car crash. Hollywood is full of these clout chasers.
that's mostly from jada but this is just an example of keeping your business to yourself not narcissistic behavior cause why would one be self destructive to themselves.
I watched a bio which said will as a teenager was distraught his girlfriend cheated, maybe he's hyper sensitive, low self esteem and doesn't care how jada treats him as long as she doesn't leave him 😮 she probably enjoys tormenting him
These two??? I mean. I get it takes two to tango. But Will just did what EVERY man is raised to do. Take charge. Fight for his family and its stability. How the fook is this Will's fault. Yeah. He chose a wrong woman. But he was just doing everything he can to lead a happy stable life, as a MAN. Brevs. This why I just stare at wuhmen and think, "Is she worth it. Worth the love. Worth the DEVOTION. SACRIFICE. Stability. Safety. Security" Nah, fam. Leave her alone. She skrong. She independent. Don't save her. She don't want to be saved." Leave em to Satre, Wilde, Lovecraft or whatever bullzhit they read and think is "illuminating".
It finally makes sense why they’re so fucked in the head as well. I mean like we already kinda knew. Exstream fame from young age, used as nepobaby and industry plants from the start but we never knew just how waked their parents were
As someone who came from a family where both of my parents hurt each other in actions and words and still decided to stay together "for the children", I sympathize with the kids in this situation. It takes a toll on you mentally and emotionally having to deal with your parents marriage problems and it leaves a lasting impact into your adulthood when you're trying to figure out wtf a healthy relationship is supposed to be like.
My parents didn't have near the issues other couples had. But, nevertheless, I was much happier when they split. A lot of tension was relaxed. I still saw my dad often. It has lead me to dislike the whole "stay together for the sake of the kids". You are not necessarily doing your kids any favors. Splitting can possibly be for the sake of the kids. Just don't assume one way or another.
K but the kids are now adults. I'm an adult now & I don't live with my ab*sive parents. I haven't talked to one of my parents in 8 years bc they don't deserve it.
@goober112 K. Good for you. Not everyone has the luxury to be able to leave that kind of toxic situation, even when they're already an adult. Some people lack the will or strength to leave because they feel obligated to their parents. Even though I'm sure Jaden and Willow have the means to move out, they're stars in their own right, maybe family expectations or their own motivations won't let them leave. It doesn't make the situation any less awkward and uncomfortable for them, having their parent's problems publicly known to this extent.
Don't waste your energy sympathizing with billionaires, they can afford the best therapies money will buy. Empathize with the kids who _can't_ take a spa weekend in Barbados to "clear their heads" everytime mommy and daddy have an explosive shouting match.
An emotionally unstable man meets an emotionally damaged unstable woman, they have emotionally damaged unstable children and then have a publicly emotionally unstable divorce 🤷♂️
He means he’s an INTJ personality type according to the Myers-Briggs test. It’s also referred to as the architect or the mastermind behind because these individuals are obsessed with planning and executing every detail of their lives on their own terms.
There's a new definition for narcissism in these two. The irony of refusing to get divorced for whatever moral or noble reasons they have, but carrying on in the actions to semi-destroy each other is incredible. At least the mask is finally off.
16:55 is _HILARIOUS!_ The way she signs that letter “Siempre.” That word means “Always” or “Forever” in a different language. The Marines put “Fi” after it, which means “LOYAL.” She stole the Marine motto, but neglected to put the “loyal” part of it, because she and will AREN’T loyal to one another. 😂 Even using a different language is ridiculous in and of itself. What a cringe tweet.
@@poweredman They're both narcissists. Will is an egomaniac. Jada is an eternal unsatisfied woman who stayed with a guy she was not happy with, then made her private life into a platform for attention. The only victims are their children.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 First siempre is spanish, and sempre is italian.In both languages it means forever. Semper fidelity or semper fi is on the other hand latin. It is similar to previously mentioned languages because put simply both of them developed from latin, they are roman languages. Latin has existed for centuries before spanish and italian. So if she did use either italian or spanish version, she didn't steel motto from the marines. The words are written slightly different. Also you can't "steal expressions" from others that's a ridiculous statement, like saying anyone using word other people use are stealing them. You don't own actual words.
Will actually laughed at Chris Rock's joke, before he saw Jada's unimpressed expression. Also, everyone would have easily forgotten it within seconds, if not for Will's reaction.
Yup, I don't know why he felt the need to do that. Jada might've been salty about the joke, but assaulting him over it is a little much. Especially after laughing first, it made him look even more ridiculous.
This is one of the rare times where it’s not just a jada hate train, I’m so glad that you’re touching on this subject from such a different angle because the halo effect on Will Smith is so damn strong it’s ridiculous. They are both Hollywood weirdos.
It's simple, it's the hale effect mixed with misogyny. In black culture, we're very well aware that black ppl get attacked but the problem is, the black community then proceeds to throw all thier resources into protecting and defending the man while demonizing the woman
The fact that Jada was unhappy on her wedding day and Will was like "don't worry about it, she'll get over it" is a large screaming red flag that he only cared about what he wanted and that she should have walked right out of there before the ceremony started. I was always on Team Will and thought Jada was a narcissistic cow, but I see now they are as bad as each other. My feeling is that she had the "affair" with that young guy (August?) and talked about it in depth to Will's face as a way of her "punishing" him for making her get married when she clearly did not want to. Regardless, that is one very toxic relationship with two people who have very different perspectives and are constantly trying to get their own way at the expense of the other person.
@@mimiquintero470nothing was taken from her,. She called that relationship an “entanglement” and didn’t even talk much about that poor kid who apparently fell in love with her.
She may have been unhappy but she did make the active decision to get married, not just for will but for her mother. I agree Will should not have married such a woman, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a red flag. They already had a baby conceived. Im sure marriage was pushed especially due to this reason back then. Also marriage for women in their twenties is even conventional now, so I’m sure she was feeling the pressures twenty something years ago. She probably thought she would regret it in the future if she didn’t get married then. Even now, there’s so many people in their 40s, 50s just constantly looking because they thought they didn’t want to get married when they were younger but changed their mind as they grew older. Jada’s a smart calculative woman,. She weighed out the pros and cons and marriage won. She was an unhappy bride, but marriage was her decision
@@Imokayluv there’s nothing “active” about being forced by all sides to marry someone that you don’t want to marry…. That’s like a man being forced to get married to a woman he got married
I know it’s often talked about as friend, but I think Augustwas just helping Jaden with his music career. I think they were more acquaintances. And August was much older. But it’s more salacious to say Jada was with her sons friend, like some childhood kid. And damn, Will told August to go for it. They ( Will & Jada) weren’t even together. I think if it was Jadens “friend” Will would have thought of how his son felt. And there’s definitely more to Wills history with women as alluded during their red table talk. But Will cannot be seen as not perfect in his own eyes. He thought only a “happy marriage image” was good for HIS career. Seems he was much more selfish than we thought. I mean the wedding, the 40th party wasn’t for her, he admitted it was for him. I’m over the “poor Will” stuff. He got everything he wanted. The fantasy fake life.
@@phoenixgirl70August was 22 when him and jada slept together. She was 43. If this was a video about how a middle aged man had slept with his teenage daughters 22 year old "acquaintance" as you like to call it, your comment would be much much different. The mental gymnastics that women perform in order to excuse each others disgusting predatory behaviour is quite disturbing. When we all know you would have been super triggered if the genders were swapped 👌
IDK, I'm glad to experienced that kind of love, even though it didn't last. I get their relationship - but I think this is my abusive upbringing showing. Dysfunctional love is the only love we know.
my parents did aswell and only split up after all the damage was caused. i get no love from them. never have, never will. its a sad life knowing they regretted their own decisions but won't do anything to better the relationship. tough times. i hope you are doing well disco. god knows we both need it
@@inmyOWN_world Someone smart oof these people man unless it is not bickering and fights infront of your kids it don't affect you everyone parents fight time to time lol
@RazorRamonMachismo My Dad would have my mum against the wall by her throat while she spat in his face and started screeching at him and clawing at his face when he let go. I hid my little sister under the bed against the wall incase one of them came in and reached under the bed looking for someone to throw onto the bed and beat the living daylights out of. My parents stayed together because they enjoyed the lavish lifestyle of both incomes. Yep, those new cars and fancy appliances were worth every day of them hiding those bruises & scratches and lying about how one of their kids is mysteriously injured again... My Dads dead now (he ended up on a pension long ago due to poor health) and my mother's in a care home due to stage 4 dementia. She doesn't know who I am some days and when she does, she keeps asking me when Dad will be home from work tonight. My sister and I lived like we were walking on eggshells our whole lives and they tried to blame US for their selfish choice? It would be laughable if my sister wasn't so incredibly damaged. I think being autistic protected me enough to help me function. Saying you "stayed for the kids" can be a great cover story for "I'm a self centred, selfish person who now happens to have kids". Not everyone is suffering in a bad relationship. A parents job is to protect their children and they BOTH failed. My sister and I have raised good kids at least, so that's something.
@inmyOWN_world My parents stayed together FOR MONEY. Luxury items - not survival mind you. My sister and I were abused daily - as well as watching them abuse each other. Then we had to act normal in public. You ever seen a telephone ripped out of a wall and thrown at someone's head? I was 8 years old and I had no idea that was possible. My mum ducked it with ease and just threw her nail file off the coffee table at him. It was almost like they ENJOYED the fights. I just shoved my oblivious sister under the bed and told her to shut up because I might be a scrawny, little girl but at least they wouldn't reach for her after beating the daylights out of me. My Dad died broke and my mums in a home with stage 4 dementia. The money didn't last as long as they thought. My mother might be alive but she's dead to my sister and I. My sister actually blocked out our entire childhood, but at least with autism my long term memory is phenomenal so I can try and remember anything happy to tell her to give it back to her I guess. That's not really what siblings should have to do for each other, but it's not like we could choose our parents.
if you were raised in a dysfunctional family, the words 'happy' end 'unhappy' have different meanings. unlearning that mess is hard.. denial is a happy shelter for so many. it's where trumpain society thrives.
Also don't stay in marriage for a Children . As a kid I seen my parents argue many times some days they are happy. some days they argue like crazy. I feel like it just ends the both of them
@@courtneyawalshwill at meast recognizes his faults it takes a while but he at least gets there Jada doesn't recognize anything except her own unhappiness
@@theoutsiderjess1869 That's very true. She doesn't accept that she played along with all of this stuff that she claimed made her so unhappy, or how she also did things that hurt Will and damaged their relationship.
If we are all honest with our own selves and relationships, whether failed or current....they are all transactional in some aspect....emotional, financial, sexual, it’s all bartering, which is transactional. It’s part of the human survival instinct. Except the emotional part is not. It’s exponential. We all have it to some degree no matter who we are or where we are it has occurred. The difference is that for the most part this shit is private. What they have done is vicious over sharing and it’s gross. We all have enough of our own to deal with, each of us and our stories is unique and if you find a space that is specific to sharing, whether that’s a person or people or group that has invited your sharing KEEP IT PRIVATE my god. The entire world has no use for this much information about these people! we will never know them in real life it’s tooooooo much too much. Thank you Patrick I love all of your content.
"But all this does is .. _fill their egos to the brim thinking they have some divine purpose_ to open up on behalf of all of the broken relationships and marriages in the world." Well said.
Two things Jada does in every conversation: turn it into her own therapy session, and displaying insane mental gymnastics that twists avoidance of responsibility into some act of heroism.
She also tries to sound educated by using words she has heard somewhere and thought, yea I'll use that! It's very laughable because in the UK, Will Smith is known, but Jada is not. She is Wills' wife, lol😂
It's like she can't even be honest with herself and has to find a euphemism for what she did. Why not be accountable and call it what it really was. I think her moral compass is pointing south.
She claims the kids are her number 1 priority yet tells all the intimate details of her so called marriage to their dad RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. Both are very disturbed people.
Will seems to be the kind of person that is willing to be unhappy and miserable as long as he pleases other people, which in many cases, the other people is the media.
Its actually the opposite. Jada is the one who has allowed herself to appear to be the bad guy to save Will. For example, Jada wanted to announce that they were separated and had been since 2016 during the red table talk where they discussed the "entanglement" but Will wasn't ready. Jada went as "family" to the Oscars event, not as a spouse and Will hadn't referred to Jada as his wife for years before the slap. Jada was just as surprised about the slap as she was being called his wife.
@@Noise_floorxxWill might be a narcissist or he might be taking the blame to make Jada happy. But Jada on the other hand is a compulsive liar. She wasn’t selling drugs at 14. She claimed her mom was an addict and she was a drug dealer. And then one day her drug addict mom comes to her and begs her to stop dealing drugs? Please! She also tried to say Tupac proposed to her the night he died even though he was engaged to Kidada Jones. I don’t trust a damn word that woman says. Tupac had know her for years but never made a move or even kissed Jada but he’s going to run off and quit Deathrow and marry Jada? 😂😂😂😂😂 She even claimed Tupac called her into going through marrying Will.😂😂😂 😂😂
Also I always thought Will was a reasonable dude but this video and the one I saw of him promoting Sick Ass Dubai (sick as in evil & awful) leads me to realize he's probably a jerk
This is so interesting… truly, this is what happens when one tries to “change” another. A cautionary tale. While I feel bad for Will bc Jada is so obviously not wanting to be with him… he didn’t listen. He should have let her go and find a woman who wanted to be “a wife.” It’s just sad all around, for the both of them, and for the children. This was such a great overview. I want to read both of their memoirs now to see the different sides and points of view on this.
I found this very interesting as well, glad I watched it. Not being on the same page as far as how they felt about marriage was a huge red flag. In those situations you do NOT get married. Neither of them ever really listened to each other.
Patrick, you crushed it with this video. This is the most nuanced, unbiased take and I cant imagine the hours of journalism you had to do to make this video
Its weird when he calls her mommy as if willow is a toddler. He's so contrived in an attempt to come off as this well put together family as if we can't see thru these cracks. It was cringe as is every time he speaks on their relationship. It's like he's always acting.
@JacquelynNhi It’s a habit. My husband still refers to me as mommy when he is speaking to our kids about me and I refer to him as daddy when I am talking to our kids about him. 🤷🏽♀️
@@JacquelynNhicalling her ‘mommy’ when it’s clearly not appropriate serves to erase her own personal identity. To him she’s the mother of his kids, that’s it.
Will is the boyfriend that won’t let you dump him. You tell him you don’t want him to his face and publicly and he just chuckles and thinks it’s a challenge. You let it play out because you’re slightly terrified he will snap when he realizes you’re serious.
@@donotreply8979As said in the video and by her own admission she literally didn't want too. She was pressured into it while pregnant and anyone that knows a women who's been pregnant knows they can be extremely fragile (for lack of a better word) while pregnant and not always in the right headspace because they are literally making a human. They're tired and moody most days. It was not the right time for him to pressure her into marriage. Any decent person would have realised that and waited until after the pregnancy but he only thought of what he wanted and how people around him perceived him. Classic narcissistic person.
Also avoid narcissists at all cost 🙏 it's funny because I'm actually dealing with someone like Will right now, who won't stop texting me & trying to hang out after I've clearly told him I don't want to date him multiple times. I'm very high functioning autistic so I can't read people super well & I kinda went along with the friendship. Until he kept asking me out again & again & I could see how Jada might eventually succumb to it. When we hung out he would say he needed to pay for eberything bc he had a full ride to college. Very narcissistic. & he showed up at my school trying to talk to me when he doesn't even go there. Anyway that's my life story sorry that was tmi but he reminds me a bit of this situation
I see Jada as the female version of Dave Dash.. broken over their dead lovers. If only she opened up to Will earlier and he let her heal instead of getting married to her. She's still finding herself and deserves to be unmarried. Will made a mistake by marrying the wrong woman
This was a great video and made me see both of them very differently! Jada is more sad an understandable than I expected and Will is more delusional and stubborn than I thought. Both seem to be hurting alot and I hope they can find some peace.
Crazy take to side with Jada I love Patrick videos but I can’t help but feel so much anti will bias in this video while actively stretching things to paint Jada as a sympathetic figure
@@Strawhatj824 anti will? He pressured Jada into marrying him, cared more about his image than his own family, yet you’re over here mad that Will made HIMSELF look bad and that there’s a bias towards Jada? There’s no bias, this is the most unbiased video I’ve seen over their relationship. You’re just mad bc your own bias towards Will isn’t being supported in the comments and ppl are taking a more neutral stance on their relationship. They are both fucked up people in a real weird relationship, Will is not Jada’s victim.
@@end-me-Yeah. As someone who's female, it's crazy how quickly we accepted the sexist, black-and-white narrative that Jada's a manipulative, seven-headed demon who can't take jokes. Many of us should've known there was probably more to it than that.
this video really struck me. ive loved a woman who didnt love me back as much as i loved her. i feel bad for them both in different aspects. its just all around sad. im glad im marrying a woman who loves me as much as i love her. who gives and takes as much as i and also understands were partners and nobody is "stuck". geeze imagine what my life could have become if the woman i once loved "gave in" to me wanting to be married. no thank you! i feel the most for their children, you can see the sadness on willows face trying to understand them both. 😢
I totally get this.I had a crazy unrequited love for a guy that I wanted to drag into a marriage. But thank god he said no and stood his ground rather than giving into it.He was my friend at the time and he never used me either. May god bless that man for having some common sense and basic human discipline cuz if not it would've ended much worse than Will and Jada. I'm still single after all but still I'm sure happy by myself going on my merryway.😊💫 P.S. The lesson I learned is always be in a place where I'm needed, loved, respected and cherished as much as I give in, even if it's a relationship or a job.🎉 And the fact that u can be the juiciest peach in the world and still there can be someone who hates peach.😅😅😅😅 So, don't take rejection personal, cuz sometimes it can be a blessing in disguise. 😊😊
ouuu this was so good, legit so refreshing to see such a balanced & fair analysis about their equal contributions to the relationship instead of it just being 'jada bad' perspective. So well explained!
Jada IS worse. Will was bad in the sense that he chose to ignore red flags and signals, but Jada went along with it instead of breaking it off because she benefitted from their fake marriage
The talk about having money, being young and hot and being able to have anyone, yet being unhappy, can be applied to so many people and speaks volumes about that person. They don't have self fulfilment. Their entire identity is based on something that isn't sustainable and will never be completely attainable. You have to find your own happiness, inside. You have to understand, appreciate and respect yourself. If you depend on money, fame, attractiveness, or whatever else that's decided by society and sources beyond your control to make you happy, it'll never happen. You'll just be stuck living as a puppet, with everything in life decided by your relevance and what you can offer to everyone. I wish more people would do themselves a favor and live on their own terms, not the world's.
This Matt Damon quote from the movie, The Departed, reminds me of Will Smith's personality on bad relationships. "If we're not gonna make it, it's gotta be you that gets out, cause I'm not capable. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life."
They are proof of how detrimental it is to force a marriage. I will never understand people who insist on staying in miserable relationships especially when they use their kids as an excuse when all they're teaching their kids is to normalise toxic behaviour. Finding happiness and not tolerating abuse is the best example you can set for your children.
Thank you for explaining how BOTH Jada and Will are at fault and not just Jada. I’m tired of people painting Jada as the villain and Will as the victim. Both of them are villains. Both of them are toxic people who made horrible decisions and chose to stay in a toxic marriage.
I got myself hating solely on Jada bc I thought she was a manipulative wife. Turns out Will is a self-serving narcissist who isn't that much better of a spouse. No wonder she hates him deep inside. I would too if I was in her place.
@@seesee5363 no one is saying women have no agency, and in my comment it litterally says I dislike jada too. But you cant deny that REGARDLESS of whether she fell for the pressure or not, it still is very messed up of Will to pressure jada becuase he knew she wasnt comfortable
@mariasafron7789 so essentially " I don't like either but men bad so will at fault for everything and Jada has no agency and no other option than to be a manipulative pos and birth two children with this dude and half @ss raise them with the same bitterness and toxicity she has no chocie but to do it "
Will Smith begged the woman to marry him and he couldn't see she wasn't happy with it? Then two decades later she says the obvious, she didn't want it, and he just nods. He knew it since day one, but it took 20 something years to sit back and listen to her. And people wonder why their relationship is so broken.
Both Will and Jada had abusive fathers. Wills father was extremely abusive to his mother. He once punched her in the face so hard that she spit up blood. Will was very young and not being able to protect his mother made him feel like a coward. He felt like he failed his mother. Will said his father was his hero but his father was also the source of his greatest pain. Will has had to work through a lot of childhood trauma just like Jada, who was abused by her father and then raised by a mother and step father who were functioning drug addicts. Will said he started to tell jokes and be entertaining because if his father was laughing then he wouldn’t hit his mother. That’s a lot of weight for a child. Will deconstructs the persona “Will Smith” that he created initially to protect his mother in his RUclips special “The Best Shape of My Life”. The Will Smith that he presents to the world is very funny, kind, entertaining and able to make a lot of money for himself and others. He realized that Will Smith, the persona, ignored and couldn’t even see the feelings of others. He realized that what helps him to be disciplined and good at his craft was a level of persistent control that was harming his wife and kids. In his RUclips special he started working with a very good therapist to help him confront his issues. Both Will and Jada are human. There is no villain in their story. They are now coming back together as healthier people just as they had always planned to do. Thank you Patrick for making such a balanced video. The trend online is to paint Jada as a villain and Will as a simp when neither are accurate descriptions of who they are.
I love how the video left all this out, I guess they ran out of time after painting Will as this airheaded egomaniac who was constantly forcing others to tow his line
This relationship has always seemed off to me. I never bought into the perfect family/marriage image. Always felt odd toe how much people idolized their relationship
Because people didn't know what was happening behind closed doors. All they saw was a happy couple in a long-lasting relationship. In the black community, it was a big to see a successful marriage that can show representation.
Jada has always been really strange to me. The way she's constructed an entirely made up narrative about her relationship with Tupac is just insane. He was never as into her as she was into him. When she claimed he wanted to marry her, he was with a whole other woman that he was about to marry shortly before his death. Even to the point of trying to get her kids to treat Tupac like their father instead of Will. She's mentally unstable, to put it lightly.
@@Ukraineaissance2014She makes up so much shit to manipulate people, it doesn't even surprise me. Every time she opens her mouth, I don't believe a word of it. She couldn't even be honest when admitting the August situation.
Literally he was only in rykers for 4 weeks and his actual fiancé moved closer so she could see him. Apparently this is the time Will divorced his wife so she was with him. The time line doesn’t add up. I can’t believe she lied so hard
It's a sub-culture where celebrities can get away with bad things for longer, or not suffer much at all. Look at R Kelly -- how many certain people still insist he's innocent? Same with Michael Jackson. Look at how 2pac went to prison for sexual assault yet he's still a black hero. It isn't like that in shall we say "mainstream" society but for others bad behaviour doesn't seem to matter at all.
I honestly love your balanced and well researched content. It’s actually a lesson to all of us to do the do the same when forming our own opinions on anything in this world of sensationalist bombardment! Thank you
To those who kept saying "Will should have never married" "Will should have ran", just remember, HE pressured JADA into marriage. If he left it the way it was, then perhaps everything would be different. But his obsession for Jada started all this mess.
She was a young pregnant woman in an affair in the 90s. She would have def been feeling the pressure to get married at her age even if she weren’t pregnant ,. It’s 2023, I’m 25 and I’m feeling the pressure to find some dude to marry cuz people my age are starting to get hitched and pop out babies. Her mom wanted her to get married, she wanted to give Will the family he wanted., so she decided to get married even if she was unhappy on her wedding day. She was not forced into marriage in anyway.
@clorozweepvmundosalazar5153 She was emotionally forced into marriage. Her entire group of friends AND family wanted her to get married to Will. Will was relentless in pursuing Jada - making her his wife. His exhausting demeanour made sure that happened. And it did.
@@Aussie.Lassiestop denying young women their autonomy. Jada’s a smart, calculative woman. There’s no way that I believe for a second that a woman who lies about alopecia was somehow hackled into marriage without her consent. She does and says what she wants to get people on her side. And I think Will is just stupid. A calculative woman and a stupid dude equals a disaster.
Damn I never realized how implicated Will was in all of this. I assumed he had at some point transformed into a simp but it was really his ego that preceeded all of this. Cowardly that Jada went along with it for so long, no doubt, but I can't solely blame her in this shit show.
It really seems like Jada had a whole life of living for other people. This is typical child of an addict dysfunction. I actually feel sympathy for her now. Trying to do her own thing and get shut down, but everyone benefits from her living for them. Damn.
Totally agree. Both are losers in life who made unwise choices (regardless of childhood issues (my father was and is an alcoholic) and are "stuck" with the consequences, and by that I don't mean they can't get divorced, but they created two kids who have become scary lost confused creatures left to raise themselves because they can see their parents are so screwed up. So while Jada and Will could busily indulge in their ID and ego and etc., they forgot they have two precious children who need parents not besties.
Dude Patrick, thank you so much for this video. I wasn’t fully aware of the whole situation and was siding with Will out of pure nostalgia and now I’m feeling like you should never judge anyone until you really get to know them. Great video
I’m still more on will’s side based on the fact that I don’t trust anything jada really says after she lied about alopecia and is growing back hair in a normal healthy pattern. From what will said, they had been separated from 2011, but ig they still had some sort of relationship going on if they both acknowledged that her cheating with that sickly 23 year old was a bad move..
@Imokayluv you can still grow hair if you have alopecia. There's different types of alopecia. I have it and am currently growing my hair back as well.
I met Jayden at a restaurant I was working at in NYC and he was very kind and humble. Def one of if not the nicest celebs we had so they must have done something right
FYI, the drug dealing arc of Jada’s manga has never really been confirmed to be true. A lot of people from that neighborhood have questioned the validity of that claim of hers.
So basically they're both assholes: Will for putting his ego and career above all and Jada for resenting and publicly shaming Will because this is not the life she wanted even though shes reaping all the benefits
I wonder why he didn’t feel like a failure after his first marriage, given the context of abandoning his first wife for a fantasy. Long winded karma and unhealed patterns repeated.
I'm glad I watched this. I really had really harsh judgments about them as people and felt really sorry for their kids. But this just reminded me that they are just people and that they are not invincible from pain just because of money and privilege. It helps me learn to be more open to what human nature actually looks like, instead of the ideals we want to be at all times
I find it honestly shocking how hard people are on them; as if they, their parents, their loved ones, haven't made mistakes of the exact same calibre as Will and Jada - except Will and Jada are brutally honest about it. I think that's brave. They're still mistakes and nothing to look up to... but it's more honest than the majority of the world around us. How many people do we ALL know who are in relationships that deep down they and we know may not be right for them, but we're all too scared to admit it and so we pretend everything's fine.
@@NeedMoreCoffeeOGJada humiliates and cheats on Will every chance she gets. But Will really loves her and takes it. This Video is so Pro Jada it's ridiculous. Even she is lying about Tupac proposing to her. Why? To hurt Will even more? She slowly turned him into a Cuck and made his kids lose respect for him. She did all this while he loves him so much that he takes the daily disrespect. #freeWillSmith
@morrighan8787 she told will she wanted an open marriage. She slept with her sons friend. Will did nothing to stop it. Would it have been acceptable if will slept with a teenage girl who was a friend if his son?! Model parents.... They deserve any and all scrutiny they recieve.
Okay then why didn't Jada interject when Will stated "Keep my wife's name out your mouth!" Why didn't she say anything at all at that point? He was laughing until he looked at her. She was pissed off at a harmless joke.
This threw a new wrench into the whole thing. Though not invested in anyone's relationship, their open book of a life makes it as though Will wanted something but everyone else in his life and those around him were living their own life but wants them to go along with what he wanted. When he did finally allowed them to do whatever, in the back of his mind, Will cannot seem to let go.
No. There relationship is as weird as they both are. Jada is just a predator and all around awful human being. Will just looks mild by comparison. He is awful to though.
She still is…let me remind you will has never said anything negative about Jada till this day.ost if his intentions are good. Most women especially black women complain about what most black men don’t do. Will has overachieved as a black man when it comes to protecting, providing and loving his wife and kids.
This is a fantastic video and really challenges the popular prevailing narrative that Jada is some kind of villain who exists to make Will Smith miserable. In reality it seems like most of the issues in their relationship can be traced to Will himself, and both of them have caused each other pain. I wish more people wouldwatch this video, it really puts a lot of things in perspective and shows there's a lot more to the situation than most people assume. Great work!
Thank you for this video Pat. For a long time I’ve seen Jada as a villain, but this really explains how Will’s ego has been dominating her for the entirety of their relationship and the frustration that she’s kept inside the whole time. Great vid
I respect that you were able to change your mind. Most people tend to be stubborn. Due to my experiences, I've learned never to take sides between a couple. When it comes to relationships, there's hardly ever a perfect victim.
Jada And Will’s marriage sounds less like a marriage of love and more of a marriage of convenience, And over the years especially the last few we’re all seeing it for what it really was, That’s how I view this entire saga.
Wait hold up.. this actually changes so much. He and her family pressured her into marrying knowing damn well she never wanted that… she finally submits and Will prioritized himself before her and the kids, the birthday thing being about will and not her, didn’t pull any Hollywood strings to get her at least a consistent career… no wonder she became the witch she is, but it was cuz of will all along. He sharpened the sword that would kill him. Ain’t that poetic justice?
i respectfully disagree. this changes absolutely NOTHING. i've maintained the entire time that, besides the slap, the worst thing about all of this is that we know anything about it. i adore the fresh prince and i can't even look at it on screen anymore. the world truly was a slightly better place before i found out way too much about will smith's personal life.
I really liked will, was always impressed by his talent and how well spoken he is, now im just so sad to see who he really is and how terrible he has handled all of this baggage.
I really appreciate the even-handed approach you took with this video. Neither of them was made to seem like the direct cause of their problems, as you took the time to look at the ways both of them contributed to their relationship woes. Great job
This video is so great and has clarified a lot for me! She was unhappy before and he is now. They just don't work together, but Will seems absolutely obssessed with the relationship. She clearly never loved him and just went along with it and he refuses to accept defeat because he's that self absorbed. I don't get why she stays.
@@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124 I suspect she wants someone else that doesn't want her. They're both arguing and will never agree with the other, each repeating the same minutia.
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Sorry pawl
First?
Second😎
Of course!.
Omg poor Willow, having to sit there and hear her mom and dad talk like that, low key trashing each other and their own marriage. Unbelievable
Looks as if she has been for years too. And they validate her opinion on .
Yeah, there are some parts of parents relationship they shouldn't out in front of their kids
I went through that shit as a kid, and it is not a nice thing to subject a child to. My dad also was slightly abusive. The only incident I can remember vividly is when I was 6 years old, my dad slapped the absolute shit out of me for asking him to fix my toy. That being said, I still love my parents
Yes having their child sit in on their public therapy sessions just seems wildly inappropriate
She's seems very disappointed in them; you'd swear she's the actual parent listening to her immature kids
Having a dysfunctional marriage, but refusing to get divorced just because of the stigma is just as nonsensical as thinking that getting married will FIX a dysfunctional relationship.
"Ciga-cigar right from Cuba-Cuba
I just bite it
It's for the look, I don't light it"
Sums up everything quite well I think. It's ALL for the look. Sad but that's what he thought it took to make it.
I don't think they got married to fix the relationship. They got married because of outside cultural pressures. Will felt like men need to be married in order to be successful. Jada felt she had to get married because of pressure from Will and her relatives. And it may be nonsensical in our view, but it happens all the time. As a society, we still hold marriage up on a pedestal as the best model of relationships. We criticize people who choose to stay single or unmarried. We criticize people who don't believe in monogamy. Things are slowly changing, but these are still the mainstream views and many people still feel like they have to comply with social pressures.
Jayden and Willow are grown ups, nobody understands why these two haven't gotten a divorce. It's a financial arrangement and investment at this point.
It's literally what every other boomer-era couple did yet they all wonder how they raised an entire generation of kids with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and PTSD that came from either daddy's drinking problems or from the number of times they remember mommy "walked into a door", give me a break. Just get divorced!
Dudette, every other married couple you know is like this. They're no different from anyone. Marriage is fraudulent. People stay together for all sorts of reasons.
The morals of today's story is "Don't marry anybody that don't want to marry you" and also, "Don't say yes, if really mean no." Don't be pressured into marriage and don't pressure somebody else.
For real and get an aborto if you have a clump of cells forming inside of you from a complete stranger.
Wow dude best summarized comment ... thanks for giving guidance in this mess
To add on from a man’s perspective, make sure the woman says I love you first and brings up marriage as well. It’s important because women tend tj have the most option compared to men so if she says I love you and wants to marry you, she’s more likely gonna make your marriage happy unless she’s a psycho
@King9tails Meanwhile women wait for the man to say it first so good luck with that.
as much as I dislike jada (which is a lot), I do also think its wild that will smith pressured her into marriage when she clearly didn't want it
For a family that tries to show they openly communicate and talk they really don't know a thing about each other. Watching them express themselves is like watching strangers sitting at a table trying to break the ice.
This!! I was just thinking this!
Great description. Nailed the vibe.
These two are a testament to the value of keeping certain personal things completely to yourself
If Will loved himself he would have never got involved with that toxic woman but then again she is a master manipulator.
@@Thaddeus-ml8ifthey’re both humans. Stop making them seen like monsters. They’re just like us. Humans confused and trying to figure life out.
@@FyeRye She is a sociopath. You ever know someone like that in your life? They are narcissist and try to get what they want without considering who they hurt or have any moral compass. Will ain’t innocent either.
the whole time I am making this video i'm thinking.. they never had to share ANY of this. One interview/press statement that says "We are separated, but still love and support each other & our family." And the whole world would still think nothing but positive thoughts about them
@@PatrickCc Yah i first thought it when you showed the lists they made and I thought, “you could have just kept that to yourself bud.” Jeez. It was so sad to hear the quote from the daughter about their interaction in the kitchen. Anyhow, another great and fascinating video. Thank you, and thanks for the reply. :)
Willow shaking her head in disgust when Jada was talking about crying down the isle of her wedding is so telling. I only pity the kids.
Right I saw that and thought wow if their own kids know what’s fucking up in their marriage then they just need to leave each other
Will just laughing at the terrible things Jada says 🤦♀️
Like when Willow was nodding her head when Jada said she doesn’t agree w the construct 7:25
@@mickygurll it's a coping mechanism
I was grateful when my parents were honest about their failed marriage. I spent much of my childhood being pushed to "pretend along" that everything was normal and fine. Once they started being honest about their experience and mistakes, it was painful, but I felt liberated, because it validated my gut instincts that things hadn't been right. I don't think we can decide for Willow whether this is hurting or healing, only she can. This may be far less painful than sitting at home in silence having to tell the world everything's fine.
It’s hard for me to feel sympathy for Will and Jada let alone any celebrity these days.
Two narcissistic millionaires are not high on my sympathy list either. They deserve each other.
Too true....for me too! Especially when they give out hypocritical advice
Because most sign up for it. Unless your blackballed into it then. I feel bad, like Britney Spears or even Justin Bieber. People keep talking about his marriage was not willingly. The same people who were Britney Spears management are also Justin Bieber’s management….. both child stars.
hell no why should we? people who think their life is perfect know nothing about life😂but to each their own i guess🤷🏼♂️
Everything turns to shit when you drink from the cup of Satan for all his worldly riches but your soul is dead!!!
Will’s saying “hell yeah” when asked about Jada being being ungrateful has me screaming 😂😂😂🤣💀
I think you misheard the question. He asked Will was he jealous of the Tupac Relationship. He said "F**K Yea"
@@anthonygordon9483 and I think u mistaken the op for something else. Op was referring to this 13:17
bruh her face right after too 😂😂
i think this is the first time i'm actually listening to will and jada's issues at my own will, the media makes their relationship issues unavoidable lol
Patrick's documentaries are so good you have no choice but to watch em, there's no free will in that sense
I couldn’t have said it better..
Yet here I am.. I feel like I know whats going on because I remember all background incidents
Same lmao
I've had no issue with avoiding both the Smiths and the Kardashians. It's easy to avoid if you really want to.
No you mean had a not the media 😭
It’s hard to place a “bad guy” in this scenario… seems like both of them are equally as responsible for this toxic mess of a relationship
U r right I always thought she was the bad guy but damn he kinda sucks too
Both are "bad guys"!
Agreed, he put too much pressure on her and rather than telling him or leaving, she continued to let it escalate
@@googleuser9616 yeah this video really showed why jada became the villain. they are both bad anyway but internet seems to be feel sorry for will.
jada is toxic
The simple fact that they both have publicly outted each other multiple times over the years is horrendous
They deserve each other lol.
Both are people who think they are the most important person on the planet. That's what narcissists do, watch out for only themselves. Now put two of them together and you get this car crash. Hollywood is full of these clout chasers.
that's mostly from jada but this is just an example of keeping your business to yourself not narcissistic behavior cause why would one be self destructive to themselves.
What did Will out?
My parents would NEVER do that to each other…. That’s not “love”, that’s EGO
"I can only excel for a woman." Not for yourself, brother? Kinda sums it up. Lack of identity and self worth.
it's why she picked him, he was the perfect lapdog..
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I watched a bio which said will as a teenager was distraught his girlfriend cheated, maybe he's hyper sensitive, low self esteem and doesn't care how jada treats him as long as she doesn't leave him 😮 she probably enjoys tormenting him
The real ones I feel sympathy for is their children that have been dragged into this mess by these two.
And it shows. Narcissism runs in the family. But I guess it is unavoidable being raised that way..
Will Smith is the problem for choosing to marry the wrong women
@@YHSHUA🤷🏼♀️
These two??? I mean. I get it takes two to tango. But Will just did what EVERY man is raised to do. Take charge. Fight for his family and its stability. How the fook is this Will's fault. Yeah. He chose a wrong woman. But he was just doing everything he can to lead a happy stable life, as a MAN. Brevs. This why I just stare at wuhmen and think, "Is she worth it. Worth the love. Worth the DEVOTION. SACRIFICE. Stability. Safety. Security" Nah, fam. Leave her alone. She skrong. She independent. Don't save her. She don't want to be saved." Leave em to Satre, Wilde, Lovecraft or whatever bullzhit they read and think is "illuminating".
It finally makes sense why they’re so fucked in the head as well. I mean like we already kinda knew. Exstream fame from young age, used as nepobaby and industry plants from the start but we never knew just how waked their parents were
As someone who came from a family where both of my parents hurt each other in actions and words and still decided to stay together "for the children", I sympathize with the kids in this situation. It takes a toll on you mentally and emotionally having to deal with your parents marriage problems and it leaves a lasting impact into your adulthood when you're trying to figure out wtf a healthy relationship is supposed to be like.
My parents didn't have near the issues other couples had. But, nevertheless, I was much happier when they split. A lot of tension was relaxed. I still saw my dad often.
It has lead me to dislike the whole "stay together for the sake of the kids". You are not necessarily doing your kids any favors. Splitting can possibly be for the sake of the kids. Just don't assume one way or another.
There kids are well I to adulthood. They're staying because this somehow serves them.
K but the kids are now adults. I'm an adult now & I don't live with my ab*sive parents. I haven't talked to one of my parents in 8 years bc they don't deserve it.
@goober112 K. Good for you. Not everyone has the luxury to be able to leave that kind of toxic situation, even when they're already an adult. Some people lack the will or strength to leave because they feel obligated to their parents. Even though I'm sure Jaden and Willow have the means to move out, they're stars in their own right, maybe family expectations or their own motivations won't let them leave. It doesn't make the situation any less awkward and uncomfortable for them, having their parent's problems publicly known to this extent.
Don't waste your energy sympathizing with billionaires, they can afford the best therapies money will buy. Empathize with the kids who _can't_ take a spa weekend in Barbados to "clear their heads" everytime mommy and daddy have an explosive shouting match.
Jada: "I cried all the way through my wedding."
Will: "YEAH! HAHAHAHA!!! [Slaps thigh]"
I know so cringe
Grade A knee slapper
That’s him trying not to cry, no man wants to hear that BS
Bro was tryna cope 😂
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An emotionally unstable man meets an emotionally damaged unstable woman, they have emotionally damaged unstable children and then have a publicly emotionally unstable divorce 🤷♂️
I started dying laughing when Will said he was a scientist 💀
Yeah, he comes across as such a dumb-dumb.
Dude for real. Bro didn’t even go to college. Like calm down.
even willow was like "idk about that"
He means he’s an INTJ personality type according to the Myers-Briggs test. It’s also referred to as the architect or the mastermind behind because these individuals are obsessed with planning and executing every detail of their lives on their own terms.
@@buffalomomo5061 saying “I’m a very analytical person” is massively different than saying “I’m a scientist”.
There's a new definition for narcissism in these two. The irony of refusing to get divorced for whatever moral or noble reasons they have, but carrying on in the actions to semi-destroy each other is incredible. At least the mask is finally off.
Will is literally a narcissist... He married for his own self, not out of love. That is all.
16:55 is _HILARIOUS!_ The way she signs that letter “Siempre.” That word means “Always” or “Forever” in a different language. The Marines put “Fi” after it, which means “LOYAL.” She stole the Marine motto, but neglected to put the “loyal” part of it, because she and will AREN’T loyal to one another. 😂
Even using a different language is ridiculous in and of itself. What a cringe tweet.
@@poweredman They're both narcissists. Will is an egomaniac. Jada is an eternal unsatisfied woman who stayed with a guy she was not happy with, then made her private life into a platform for attention. The only victims are their children.
@@poweredman well is jade not will and everyone knows that and you dont
@@anti-ethniccleansing465
First siempre is spanish, and sempre is italian.In both languages it means forever.
Semper fidelity or semper fi is on the other hand latin. It is similar to previously mentioned languages because put simply both of them developed from latin, they are roman languages. Latin has existed for centuries before spanish and italian. So if she did use either italian or spanish version, she didn't steel motto from the marines. The words are written slightly different. Also you can't "steal expressions" from others that's a ridiculous statement, like saying anyone using word other people use are stealing them. You don't own actual words.
Wishing someone finds"That Will & Jada Love" went from a blessing to one of the darkest curses you can wish on someone 😂
J.Cole leaves that part out now at his concerts. 😂😂
Oh shhhh, you right
Will only slapped Chris because he thought: “What would Tupac do?”
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no, he slapped him because of he didn't she would have had his balls at home.. and not in a fun way.
Will actually laughed at Chris Rock's joke, before he saw Jada's unimpressed expression. Also, everyone would have easily forgotten it within seconds, if not for Will's reaction.
Yup, I don't know why he felt the need to do that. Jada might've been salty about the joke, but assaulting him over it is a little much. Especially after laughing first, it made him look even more ridiculous.
all that slap really did was shine a bright light on how screwed up he and his family is.
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds.Will needed a divorce so he can go for the men he loves. Poor Jada.
Everyone was getting roasted, that's the theme of the ceremony. They make tongue in cheek remarks, meant in good fun, between friends. He raged.
@@Philip_Tayloryeah, complete psychopathic patrick bateman behavior.
This is one of the rare times where it’s not just a jada hate train, I’m so glad that you’re touching on this subject from such a different angle because the halo effect on Will Smith is so damn strong it’s ridiculous. They are both Hollywood weirdos.
we get it but clearly one of them is getting the effects more with people not minding their business and peering into their lives.
Jada is doing the hate train herself just divorce don’t make your partner miserable
@@spookieboogi6161 The fact that neither of them want a divorce is CRAZY to me. They really do deserve each other
@@spookieboogi6161The man can literally divorce herself himself and he isnt
It's simple, it's the hale effect mixed with misogyny. In black culture, we're very well aware that black ppl get attacked but the problem is, the black community then proceeds to throw all thier resources into protecting and defending the man while demonizing the woman
The fact that Jada was unhappy on her wedding day and Will was like "don't worry about it, she'll get over it" is a large screaming red flag that he only cared about what he wanted and that she should have walked right out of there before the ceremony started. I was always on Team Will and thought Jada was a narcissistic cow, but I see now they are as bad as each other. My feeling is that she had the "affair" with that young guy (August?) and talked about it in depth to Will's face as a way of her "punishing" him for making her get married when she clearly did not want to. Regardless, that is one very toxic relationship with two people who have very different perspectives and are constantly trying to get their own way at the expense of the other person.
She wasn't being touched by her husband. August made her feel alive again but that was taken from her again!!!
@@mimiquintero470nothing was taken from her,. She called that relationship an “entanglement” and didn’t even talk much about that poor kid who apparently fell in love with her.
She may have been unhappy but she did make the active decision to get married, not just for will but for her mother. I agree Will should not have married such a woman, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a red flag. They already had a baby conceived. Im sure marriage was pushed especially due to this reason back then. Also marriage for women in their twenties is even conventional now, so I’m sure she was feeling the pressures twenty something years ago. She probably thought she would regret it in the future if she didn’t get married then. Even now, there’s so many people in their 40s, 50s just constantly looking because they thought they didn’t want to get married when they were younger but changed their mind as they grew older. Jada’s a smart calculative woman,. She weighed out the pros and cons and marriage won. She was an unhappy bride, but marriage was her decision
@@Imokayluv there’s nothing “active” about being forced by all sides to marry someone that you don’t want to marry….
That’s like a man being forced to get married to a woman he got married
WiinterKitten Even if she were a man and Will was a woman, it would still be an active decision of an adult individual.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! There are WAYYYY too many people who are misconstruing things and blaming Jada when they are BOTH toxic!!!
they are both damaged, she is toxic.
@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970nothing compared to Will and don’t act like it is.
@@Riu-bw4blnah she’s toxic 😂😂😂😂.
@@undertakerblaise256 not compared to Will 😂
Lets not act like they are in the same league
their marriage shows the power of peer pressure
Family pressure more specifically, which is why millions get into unhappy marriages.
Never force someone to marry if they don't wanna marry, this is what i have learned, and do not marry if you are not ready for marriage
Family pressure on Jada's side, and Will just added to it so half on her and mostly on him.
Or the power of Narcissism that Will has as a demon
so it was an affair that became a horrible marriage
Fr. I had no idea. “How you get em is how you lose em” 🥴
why did he feel the need to tie her down so bad?
@@yamuthahowill said it. If he wasn’t married he felt like he’d never be successful. So an ego problem pretty much lol
@@bencabrera8957 oh you right ☺️
i hadn’t gotten to that part of the video yet
Many such cases
The fact that August was Jaden's friend and had a relationship with his mom is so deeply disturbing
I know it’s often talked about as friend, but I think Augustwas just helping Jaden with his music career. I think they were more acquaintances. And August was much older. But it’s more salacious to say Jada was with her sons friend, like some childhood kid. And damn, Will told August to go for it. They ( Will & Jada) weren’t even together. I think if it was Jadens “friend” Will would have thought of how his son felt. And there’s definitely more to Wills history with women as alluded during their red table talk. But Will cannot be seen as not perfect in his own eyes. He thought only a “happy marriage image” was good for HIS career. Seems he was much more selfish than we thought. I mean the wedding, the 40th party wasn’t for her, he admitted it was for him. I’m over the “poor Will” stuff. He got everything he wanted. The fantasy fake life.
it sort weird
Yes she went deep deep on him..in love…
@@phoenixgirl70August was 22 when him and jada slept together. She was 43. If this was a video about how a middle aged man had slept with his teenage daughters 22 year old "acquaintance" as you like to call it, your comment would be much much different. The mental gymnastics that women perform in order to excuse each others disgusting predatory behaviour is quite disturbing. When we all know you would have been super triggered if the genders were swapped 👌
Should see my mates mum...
7:25 ugh painful to listen to. A bunch narc babies trying to justify why they don’t want responsibility and commitment
J.Cole lyric about him wanting that "Jada and Will love" has aged like milk.
She had no intention of being saved
That is an on target analogy.
IDK, I'm glad to experienced that kind of love, even though it didn't last. I get their relationship - but I think this is my abusive upbringing showing. Dysfunctional love is the only love we know.
Like most of J Cole's lyrics.
@@thornybackwtf
they were the last couple that needed to be sharing their lives on social media
She really hates him
Will Smith killed Tupac
My parents stayed in a toxic marriage and it damaged my sister & I for life.
They're selfish for doing this to their kids.
my parents did aswell and only split up after all the damage was caused. i get no love from them. never have, never will. its a sad life knowing they regretted their own decisions but won't do anything to better the relationship. tough times. i hope you are doing well disco. god knows we both need it
I bet they had yall in mind with their decision ... it's easy to judge when you never walked a mile in their shoes
@@inmyOWN_world Someone smart oof these people man unless it is not bickering and fights infront of your kids it don't affect you everyone parents fight time to time lol
@RazorRamonMachismo My Dad would have my mum against the wall by her throat while she spat in his face and started screeching at him and clawing at his face when he let go.
I hid my little sister under the bed against the wall incase one of them came in and reached under the bed looking for someone to throw onto the bed and beat the living daylights out of.
My parents stayed together because they enjoyed the lavish lifestyle of both incomes.
Yep, those new cars and fancy appliances were worth every day of them hiding those bruises & scratches and lying about how one of their kids is mysteriously injured again...
My Dads dead now (he ended up on a pension long ago due to poor health) and my mother's in a care home due to stage 4 dementia.
She doesn't know who I am some days and when she does, she keeps asking me when Dad will be home from work tonight.
My sister and I lived like we were walking on eggshells our whole lives and they tried to blame US for their selfish choice? It would be laughable if my sister wasn't so incredibly damaged. I think being autistic protected me enough to help me function.
Saying you "stayed for the kids" can be a great cover story for "I'm a self centred, selfish person who now happens to have kids".
Not everyone is suffering in a bad relationship.
A parents job is to protect their children and they BOTH failed.
My sister and I have raised good kids at least, so that's something.
@inmyOWN_world My parents stayed together FOR MONEY.
Luxury items - not survival mind you.
My sister and I were abused daily - as well as watching them abuse each other.
Then we had to act normal in public.
You ever seen a telephone ripped out of a wall and thrown at someone's head? I was 8 years old and I had no idea that was possible.
My mum ducked it with ease and just threw her nail file off the coffee table at him.
It was almost like they ENJOYED the fights.
I just shoved my oblivious sister under the bed and told her to shut up because I might be a scrawny, little girl but at least they wouldn't reach for her after beating the daylights out of me.
My Dad died broke and my mums in a home with stage 4 dementia.
The money didn't last as long as they thought.
My mother might be alive but she's dead to my sister and I.
My sister actually blocked out our entire childhood, but at least with autism my long term memory is phenomenal so I can try and remember anything happy to tell her to give it back to her I guess.
That's not really what siblings should have to do for each other, but it's not like we could choose our parents.
Will went from the "Fresh Prince" to the "Fresh Simp" 😂
Don't marry a woman that hates you, don't marry a man that hates you, marry if you genuinely care about each other and making each other happy.
You're so right! And marry someone who is marrying for the right reasons
Ew..don't marry at all
@@dionmarburyand that is why you don’t get woman
if you were raised in a dysfunctional family, the words 'happy' end 'unhappy' have different meanings.
unlearning that mess is hard..
denial is a happy shelter for so many.
it's where trumpain society thrives.
Also don't stay in marriage for a Children . As a kid I seen my parents argue many times some days they are happy. some days they argue like crazy. I feel like it just ends the both of them
When Will and Jada said "Bad marriage for life" I noped out of caring for either of them forever. Sad and pathetic.
Jepp
Knowing the backstory now, this relationship was transactional from the very start.
Yes. Both narcs. Both incapable of honesty…honesty is needed for intimacy.
@@courtneyawalshwill at meast recognizes his faults it takes a while but he at least gets there Jada doesn't recognize anything except her own unhappiness
@@theoutsiderjess1869 That's very true. She doesn't accept that she played along with all of this stuff that she claimed made her so unhappy, or how she also did things that hurt Will and damaged their relationship.
If we are all honest with our own selves and relationships, whether failed or current....they are all transactional in some aspect....emotional, financial, sexual, it’s all bartering, which is transactional. It’s part of the human survival instinct. Except the emotional part is not. It’s exponential. We all have it to some degree no matter who we are or where we are it has occurred. The difference is that for the most part this shit is private. What they have done is vicious over sharing and it’s gross. We all have enough of our own to deal with, each of us and our stories is unique and if you find a space that is specific to sharing, whether that’s a person or people or group that has invited your sharing KEEP IT PRIVATE my god. The entire world has no use for this much information about these people! we will never know them in real life it’s tooooooo much too much. Thank you Patrick I love all of your content.
Right? I think Will twisted her arm a lot. He used her. And she really resents him for it
"But all this does is .. _fill their egos to the brim thinking they have some divine purpose_ to open up on behalf of all of the broken relationships and marriages in the world." Well said.
This is the first time I hear of a "preventable marriage" and I love it.
I know. I just found this channel but I was looking for this comment lol
Will had Jada, but she was too sprung on Tupac, something she held over his head!
Two things Jada does in every conversation: turn it into her own therapy session, and displaying insane mental gymnastics that twists avoidance of responsibility into some act of heroism.
She's A narcissist! Thinking she's all that and can have anyone she wants! Please!
100% 😒 it’s exhausting and I’m not even involved
She also tries to sound educated by using words she has heard somewhere and thought, yea I'll use that! It's very laughable because in the UK, Will Smith is known, but Jada is not. She is Wills' wife, lol😂
Hard agree. She tries to paint herself as this generous woman who does no wrong. She’s responsible for this mess as well and people don’t see it.
dude will has been gaslit into a fucking shell of a man
“An entanglement?” Always gets me😅
Why was I about to comment that! I literally scrolled past your comment right after he said that. Lmaooooooooo.
Why she even say that it makes sounds like she cheated 😂
It's like she can't even be honest with herself and has to find a euphemism for what she did. Why not be accountable and call it what it really was. I think her moral compass is pointing south.
She claims the kids are her number 1 priority yet tells all the intimate details of her so called marriage to their dad RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. Both are very disturbed people.
Will seems to be the kind of person that is willing to be unhappy and miserable as long as he pleases other people, which in many cases, the other people is the media.
Its actually the opposite. Jada is the one who has allowed herself to appear to be the bad guy to save Will. For example, Jada wanted to announce that they were separated and had been since 2016 during the red table talk where they discussed the "entanglement" but Will wasn't ready. Jada went as "family" to the Oscars event, not as a spouse and Will hadn't referred to Jada as his wife for years before the slap. Jada was just as surprised about the slap as she was being called his wife.
It's almost as if they intended to raise two screwed-up children when the boy is named after his mother and the girl is named after her dad.
@@Noise_floorxxWill might be a narcissist or he might be taking the blame to make Jada happy. But Jada on the other hand is a compulsive liar. She wasn’t selling drugs at 14. She claimed her mom was an addict and she was a drug dealer. And then one day her drug addict mom comes to her and begs her to stop dealing drugs? Please! She also tried to say Tupac proposed to her the night he died even though he was engaged to Kidada Jones. I don’t trust a damn word that woman says. Tupac had know her for years but never made a move or even kissed Jada but he’s going to run off and quit Deathrow and marry Jada? 😂😂😂😂😂 She even claimed Tupac called her into going through marrying Will.😂😂😂 😂😂
Also I always thought Will was a reasonable dude but this video and the one I saw of him promoting Sick Ass Dubai (sick as in evil & awful) leads me to realize he's probably a jerk
I read that too
People need to learn to say “no” and to respect that and move on by living with someone’s denial and another one’s acceptance.
Absolutely agree people should accept “no” as a full answer too. 🔥
The irony of Will leaving his first wife for someone that never even wanted to marry him is something.
This is so interesting… truly, this is what happens when one tries to “change” another. A cautionary tale. While I feel bad for Will bc Jada is so obviously not wanting to be with him… he didn’t listen. He should have let her go and find a woman who wanted to be “a wife.” It’s just sad all around, for the both of them, and for the children. This was such a great overview. I want to read both of their memoirs now to see the different sides and points of view on this.
Watch Tasha K interview with his ex best friend
Why feel bad for him, he's the one who started all of this by pursuing her
I found this very interesting as well, glad I watched it. Not being on the same page as far as how they felt about marriage was a huge red flag. In those situations you do NOT get married. Neither of them ever really listened to each other.
you say that like she isn’t her own person and couldn’t have walked away.
Yes, let’s give the toxic, abusive celebrities more money.
I hate we gotta listen to their problems while we’re still broke. Like figure it out or gimme the money. Since when did we turn to their therapists
what you "gotta do"? turn off the TV. No one's making you tune in.
😂
Patrick, you crushed it with this video. This is the most nuanced, unbiased take and I cant imagine the hours of journalism you had to do to make this video
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Calling this journalism is absolutely wild
I dont think this is unbiased at all but okay
Will: "there was a period mummy woke up and cried, 45 days straight..."
Everyone: 😂😂😂
Yeah, it’s SO funny. Not incredibly sad. 😒
it *is* funny, cause they're both megalomaniacal narcissists lmao
Its weird when he calls her mommy as if willow is a toddler. He's so contrived in an attempt to come off as this well put together family as if we can't see thru these cracks. It was cringe as is every time he speaks on their relationship. It's like he's always acting.
@JacquelynNhi It’s a habit. My husband still refers to me as mommy when he is speaking to our kids about me and I refer to him as daddy when I am talking to our kids about him. 🤷🏽♀️
@@JacquelynNhicalling her ‘mommy’ when it’s clearly not appropriate serves to erase her own personal identity. To him she’s the mother of his kids, that’s it.
This was really well written. Clean and concise. informative without any unnecessary filler or sensationalism. Thumbs up.
Still doesn't know the full story. And it's only on a hunch
Everyone’s talking about how Jada is a full blown narcissist but ppl generally ignore how deeply troubled Will Smith is.
Will is the boyfriend that won’t let you dump him. You tell him you don’t want him to his face and publicly and he just chuckles and thinks it’s a challenge. You let it play out because you’re slightly terrified he will snap when he realizes you’re serious.
Ok but like don't marry it 💀
And boy did he snap. How accurate!
He’s a loser, but she’s a narcissistic cow. Don’t excuse either one of them.
@@donotreply8979As said in the video and by her own admission she literally didn't want too. She was pressured into it while pregnant and anyone that knows a women who's been pregnant knows they can be extremely fragile (for lack of a better word) while pregnant and not always in the right headspace because they are literally making a human. They're tired and moody most days. It was not the right time for him to pressure her into marriage. Any decent person would have realised that and waited until after the pregnancy but he only thought of what he wanted and how people around him perceived him. Classic narcissistic person.
@@ripenip1980He had himself at the top of the list of priorities over her and his kids, what can you expect from someone like that.
Their relationship was toxic from day 1. They both ignored eachother's red flags
Moral of the story don’t choose someone who doesn’t want you like you want them
Exactly and don't force a woman to marry you 😂
Bro's a living L even with all that money
Also avoid narcissists at all cost 🙏 it's funny because I'm actually dealing with someone like Will right now, who won't stop texting me & trying to hang out after I've clearly told him I don't want to date him multiple times. I'm very high functioning autistic so I can't read people super well & I kinda went along with the friendship. Until he kept asking me out again & again & I could see how Jada might eventually succumb to it.
When we hung out he would say he needed to pay for eberything bc he had a full ride to college. Very narcissistic. & he showed up at my school trying to talk to me when he doesn't even go there.
Anyway that's my life story sorry that was tmi but he reminds me a bit of this situation
I see Jada as the female version of Dave Dash.. broken over their dead lovers. If only she opened up to Will earlier and he let her heal instead of getting married to her. She's still finding herself and deserves to be unmarried. Will made a mistake by marrying the wrong woman
The fact that Will made the same mistake his character did in Hitch on Judas bday is absolutely hysterical
Perhaps he wasn't playing a character...Hitch was Will.
was good role playing
This was a great video and made me see both of them very differently! Jada is more sad an understandable than I expected and Will is more delusional and stubborn than I thought. Both seem to be hurting alot and I hope they can find some peace.
Crazy take to side with Jada I love Patrick videos but I can’t help but feel so much anti will bias in this video while actively stretching things to paint Jada as a sympathetic figure
That's dumb
@@Strawhatj824 anti will? He pressured Jada into marrying him, cared more about his image than his own family, yet you’re over here mad that Will made HIMSELF look bad and that there’s a bias towards Jada?
There’s no bias, this is the most unbiased video I’ve seen over their relationship.
You’re just mad bc your own bias towards Will isn’t being supported in the comments and ppl are taking a more neutral stance on their relationship. They are both fucked up people in a real weird relationship, Will is not Jada’s victim.
@@end-me-Yeah. As someone who's female, it's crazy how quickly we accepted the sexist, black-and-white narrative that Jada's a manipulative, seven-headed demon who can't take jokes. Many of us should've known there was probably more to it than that.
“Just call him smith cause he has lost the will” is crazy 😂😂
this video really struck me. ive loved a woman who didnt love me back as much as i loved her. i feel bad for them both in different aspects. its just all around sad. im glad im marrying a woman who loves me as much as i love her. who gives and takes as much as i and also understands were partners and nobody is "stuck". geeze imagine what my life could have become if the woman i once loved "gave in" to me wanting to be married. no thank you! i feel the most for their children, you can see the sadness on willows face trying to understand them both. 😢
I totally get this.I had a crazy unrequited love for a guy that I wanted to drag into a marriage. But thank god he said no and stood his ground rather than giving into it.He was my friend at the time and he never used me either. May god bless that man for having some common sense and basic human discipline cuz if not it would've ended much worse than Will and Jada. I'm still single after all but still I'm sure happy by myself going on my merryway.😊💫
P.S. The lesson I learned is always be in a place where I'm needed, loved, respected and cherished as much as I give in, even if it's a relationship or a job.🎉
And the fact that u can be the juiciest peach in the world and still there can be someone who hates peach.😅😅😅😅
So, don't take rejection personal, cuz sometimes it can be a blessing in disguise. 😊😊
ouuu this was so good, legit so refreshing to see such a balanced & fair analysis about their equal contributions to the relationship instead of it just being 'jada bad' perspective. So well explained!
Yea I HATED Jada but now I'm like hey they both played a role in this
why hate someone you dont know for a reason you dont understand? our society just hates women i guess, carry on.
@@jns08d
Jada IS worse. Will was bad in the sense that he chose to ignore red flags and signals, but Jada went along with it instead of breaking it off because she benefitted from their fake marriage
@@jns08dsame !
Yeah, same. It's odd coming out of this feeling like I'm more on Jada's side, even though it's clearly both their fault.
The talk about having money, being young and hot and being able to have anyone, yet being unhappy, can be applied to so many people and speaks volumes about that person. They don't have self fulfilment. Their entire identity is based on something that isn't sustainable and will never be completely attainable. You have to find your own happiness, inside. You have to understand, appreciate and respect yourself. If you depend on money, fame, attractiveness, or whatever else that's decided by society and sources beyond your control to make you happy, it'll never happen. You'll just be stuck living as a puppet, with everything in life decided by your relevance and what you can offer to everyone. I wish more people would do themselves a favor and live on their own terms, not the world's.
It's all the worse because she admits she had everything and still didn't feel happy.
Narcissistic personality and happiness are polar opposites
This seems to be one of the few videos about this relationship which describes the situation in an unbiased manner!
This Matt Damon quote from the movie, The Departed, reminds me of Will Smith's personality on bad relationships.
"If we're not gonna make it, it's gotta be you that gets out, cause I'm not capable. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life."
They are proof of how detrimental it is to force a marriage. I will never understand people who insist on staying in miserable relationships especially when they use their kids as an excuse when all they're teaching their kids is to normalise toxic behaviour. Finding happiness and not tolerating abuse is the best example you can set for your children.
Thank you for explaining how BOTH Jada and Will are at fault and not just Jada. I’m tired of people painting Jada as the villain and Will as the victim. Both of them are villains. Both of them are toxic people who made horrible decisions and chose to stay in a toxic marriage.
as much as I hate jada, its wild that will smith pressured her into marriage when she clearly didn't want it
I got myself hating solely on Jada bc I thought she was a manipulative wife. Turns out Will is a self-serving narcissist who isn't that much better of a spouse. No wonder she hates him deep inside. I would too if I was in her place.
@mariasafron7789 how are you pressured into marriage inswear to god you people act like women have no agency
@@seesee5363 no one is saying women have no agency, and in my comment it litterally says I dislike jada too. But you cant deny that REGARDLESS of whether she fell for the pressure or not, it still is very messed up of Will to pressure jada becuase he knew she wasnt comfortable
@mariasafron7789 so essentially " I don't like either but men bad so will at fault for everything and Jada has no agency and no other option than to be a manipulative pos and birth two children with this dude and half @ss raise them with the same bitterness and toxicity she has no chocie but to do it "
These two, are the best examples of what not to be.
Will Smith begged the woman to marry him and he couldn't see she wasn't happy with it?
Then two decades later she says the obvious, she didn't want it, and he just nods. He knew it since day one, but it took 20 something years to sit back and listen to her.
And people wonder why their relationship is so broken.
Both Will and Jada had abusive fathers. Wills father was extremely abusive to his mother. He once punched her in the face so hard that she spit up blood. Will was very young and not being able to protect his mother made him feel like a coward. He felt like he failed his mother. Will said his father was his hero but his father was also the source of his greatest pain. Will has had to work through a lot of childhood trauma just like Jada, who was abused by her father and then raised by a mother and step father who were functioning drug addicts. Will said he started to tell jokes and be entertaining because if his father was laughing then he wouldn’t hit his mother. That’s a lot of weight for a child.
Will deconstructs the persona “Will Smith” that he created initially to protect his mother in his RUclips special “The Best Shape of My Life”. The Will Smith that he presents to the world is very funny, kind, entertaining and able to make a lot of money for himself and others. He realized that Will Smith, the persona, ignored and couldn’t even see the feelings of others. He realized that what helps him to be disciplined and good at his craft was a level of persistent control that was harming his wife and kids. In his RUclips special he started working with a very good therapist to help him confront his issues.
Both Will and Jada are human. There is no villain in their story. They are now coming back together as healthier people just as they had always planned to do.
Thank you Patrick for making such a balanced video. The trend online is to paint Jada as a villain and Will as a simp when neither are accurate descriptions of who they are.
Absolutely spot on
Very beautifully put.Thank you.👌
I love how the video left all this out, I guess they ran out of time after painting Will as this airheaded egomaniac who was constantly forcing others to tow his line
Jada is definitely a villain.
This is all a bunch of crap. You just posted.
This relationship has always seemed off to me. I never bought into the perfect family/marriage image. Always felt odd toe how much people idolized their relationship
Same. Joyner Lucas’s song aged like spoiled milk
Because people didn't know what was happening behind closed doors. All they saw was a happy couple in a long-lasting relationship. In the black community, it was a big to see a successful marriage that can show representation.
Your relationship seems off lol! Worry about y'all own single lives
Maybe because Jada is wills beard?
Watch Tasha K recent interview about them
Jada has always been really strange to me. The way she's constructed an entirely made up narrative about her relationship with Tupac is just insane. He was never as into her as she was into him. When she claimed he wanted to marry her, he was with a whole other woman that he was about to marry shortly before his death. Even to the point of trying to get her kids to treat Tupac like their father instead of Will. She's mentally unstable, to put it lightly.
She lied nonstop about her scientology school as well
@@Ukraineaissance2014She makes up so much shit to manipulate people, it doesn't even surprise me. Every time she opens her mouth, I don't believe a word of it. She couldn't even be honest when admitting the August situation.
Literally he was only in rykers for 4 weeks and his actual fiancé moved closer so she could see him. Apparently this is the time Will divorced his wife so she was with him. The time line doesn’t add up. I can’t believe she lied so hard
@@shanel4294She's out of her mind, I'm starting to think that she actually believes her lies.
It's a sub-culture where celebrities can get away with bad things for longer, or not suffer much at all. Look at R Kelly -- how many certain people still insist he's innocent? Same with Michael Jackson. Look at how 2pac went to prison for sexual assault yet he's still a black hero. It isn't like that in shall we say "mainstream" society but for others bad behaviour doesn't seem to matter at all.
I honestly love your balanced and well researched content. It’s actually a lesson to all of us to do the do the same when forming our own opinions on anything in this world of sensationalist bombardment! Thank you
To those who kept saying "Will should have never married" "Will should have ran", just remember, HE pressured JADA into marriage. If he left it the way it was, then perhaps everything would be different. But his obsession for Jada started all this mess.
She was a young pregnant woman in an affair in the 90s. She would have def been feeling the pressure to get married at her age even if she weren’t pregnant ,. It’s 2023, I’m 25 and I’m feeling the pressure to find some dude to marry cuz people my age are starting to get hitched and pop out babies. Her mom wanted her to get married, she wanted to give Will the family he wanted., so she decided to get married even if she was unhappy on her wedding day. She was not forced into marriage in anyway.
@clorozweepvmundosalazar5153 She was emotionally forced into marriage. Her entire group of friends AND family wanted her to get married to Will. Will was relentless in pursuing Jada - making her his wife. His exhausting demeanour made sure that happened. And it did.
@@clorozweepvmundosalazar5153I'm single if you don't mind foreigner 😅
Yeah it's what adults do when they have kids. How is Will the bad guy for wanting a proper family?
@@Aussie.Lassiestop denying young women their autonomy. Jada’s a smart, calculative woman. There’s no way that I believe for a second that a woman who lies about alopecia was somehow hackled into marriage without her consent. She does and says what she wants to get people on her side. And I think Will is just stupid. A calculative woman and a stupid dude equals a disaster.
Damn I never realized how implicated Will was in all of this. I assumed he had at some point transformed into a simp but it was really his ego that preceeded all of this. Cowardly that Jada went along with it for so long, no doubt, but I can't solely blame her in this shit show.
Exactly!! I understand what happened so clearly now. She never even liked him but he's too self absorbed to accept it
It really seems like Jada had a whole life of living for other people. This is typical child of an addict dysfunction. I actually feel sympathy for her now. Trying to do her own thing and get shut down, but everyone benefits from her living for them. Damn.
Who are you to blame anyone anyway? All you people are sick and confused.
@@panthercat38 They’re both fcked in the head. Jada is even worse than will.
Totally agree. Both are losers in life who made unwise choices (regardless of childhood issues (my father was and is an alcoholic) and are "stuck" with the consequences, and by that I don't mean they can't get divorced, but they created two kids who have become scary lost confused creatures left to raise themselves because they can see their parents are so screwed up. So while Jada and Will could busily indulge in their ID and ego and etc., they forgot they have two precious children who need parents not besties.
“I’m a scientist” gotta be the funniest thing to ever come out of Will Smith
Imagine if it comes out that Diddy did have something to do with Tupac. With how it’s been revealed that the Smith’s were close to Diddy.
Dude Patrick, thank you so much for this video. I wasn’t fully aware of the whole situation and was siding with Will out of pure nostalgia and now I’m feeling like you should never judge anyone until you really get to know them. Great video
I’m still more on will’s side based on the fact that I don’t trust anything jada really says after she lied about alopecia and is growing back hair in a normal healthy pattern. From what will said, they had been separated from 2011, but ig they still had some sort of relationship going on if they both acknowledged that her cheating with that sickly 23 year old was a bad move..
Yeah, this vid is a lot kinder to Jada, and I better understand her perspective; still, her cheating and oversharing isn't righting any wrongs.
@Imokayluv you can still grow hair if you have alopecia. There's different types of alopecia. I have it and am currently growing my hair back as well.
I met Jayden at a restaurant I was working at in NYC and he was very kind and humble. Def one of if not the nicest celebs we had so they must have done something right
@@hi.genevieveApparently you haven't seen enough interviews with them then. They ARE weird, especially Jaden. He has some very serious issues.
@@ct6502cwell this guy has seen him irl and he was alright and you’ve only watched RUclips videos so 🖕
@@hi.genevievedudes on his 20s, he’s not a kid and he IS weird and pretentious
Stop trying to be a foolish
@@hi.genevieve No, they are WAY beyond that. Also, they aren't even "kids" anymore. Jaden is 25.
@@hi.genevieve Nope. Tired of Millennials trying to act like they're still little angsty teenagers forever. It's long past time for them to grow up.
FYI, the drug dealing arc of Jada’s manga has never really been confirmed to be true. A lot of people from that neighborhood have questioned the validity of that claim of hers.
Complete bs 😂
Its complete BS. Even Tupac was a studio gangster. Theyre completely fake
I hurt myself sideyeing the drug dealer comment. Girl stop😅. If anything she was maybe a drug dealer girlfriend or pass around.
The drug dealing arc was the least believabl thing ever
imagine she posts a pic of her, 16, serving some rock😂
"whip my hair" was considered on the same level as "Friday" by Rebecca Black
Hahahahaha 😂
So basically they're both assholes: Will for putting his ego and career above all and Jada for resenting and publicly shaming Will because this is not the life she wanted even though shes reaping all the benefits
I wonder why he didn’t feel like a failure after his first marriage, given the context of abandoning his first wife for a fantasy. Long winded karma and unhealed patterns repeated.
I said the same can't build after hurting someone else
I'm glad I watched this. I really had really harsh judgments about them as people and felt really sorry for their kids. But this just reminded me that they are just people and that they are not invincible from pain just because of money and privilege. It helps me learn to be more open to what human nature actually looks like, instead of the ideals we want to be at all times
I find it honestly shocking how hard people are on them; as if they, their parents, their loved ones, haven't made mistakes of the exact same calibre as Will and Jada - except Will and Jada are brutally honest about it. I think that's brave. They're still mistakes and nothing to look up to... but it's more honest than the majority of the world around us. How many people do we ALL know who are in relationships that deep down they and we know may not be right for them, but we're all too scared to admit it and so we pretend everything's fine.
@@NeedMoreCoffeeOGpeople are hard on them because they’re both malignant self-entitled narcissists.
@@NeedMoreCoffeeOGJada humiliates and cheats on Will every chance she gets. But Will really loves her and takes it. This Video is so Pro Jada it's ridiculous. Even she is lying about Tupac proposing to her. Why? To hurt Will even more? She slowly turned him into a Cuck and made his kids lose respect for him. She did all this while he loves him so much that he takes the daily disrespect.
#freeWillSmith
@morrighan8787 she told will she wanted an open marriage. She slept with her sons friend. Will did nothing to stop it.
Would it have been acceptable if will slept with a teenage girl who was a friend if his son?!
Model parents....
They deserve any and all scrutiny they recieve.
I feel exactly the same .I had really harsh judgement as well
Okay then why didn't Jada interject when Will stated "Keep my wife's name out your mouth!" Why didn't she say anything at all at that point? He was laughing until he looked at her. She was pissed off at a harmless joke.
This threw a new wrench into the whole thing. Though not invested in anyone's relationship, their open book of a life makes it as though Will wanted something but everyone else in his life and those around him were living their own life but wants them to go along with what he wanted. When he did finally allowed them to do whatever, in the back of his mind, Will cannot seem to let go.
This whole time I thought Jada was the only problem in that relationship. Wow.
Finally someone agrees with me
No. There relationship is as weird as they both are. Jada is just a predator and all around awful human being. Will just looks mild by comparison. He is awful to though.
They are both EQUALLY terrible. Jada is just overt while Will is covert
IYKYK 💯
@@TheVerbalAssassinFAFOthis actually a perfect assessment my g
People forget all narcissists aren’t visibly narcissistic
She still is…let me remind you will has never said anything negative about Jada till this day.ost if his intentions are good. Most women especially black women complain about what most black men don’t do. Will has overachieved as a black man when it comes to protecting, providing and loving his wife and kids.
Their laughter at each other masking the toxicity.
"i´m a scientist" 🤣
More like Scientologist
Awww ever since his character in I AM LEGEND
That visit to the CDC before they made the movie confused will
😂😂😂🙆🏿♂️
He is saying he is an actor. He is acting all the time lmao
im an orca
This is a fantastic video and really challenges the popular prevailing narrative that Jada is some kind of villain who exists to make Will Smith miserable. In reality it seems like most of the issues in their relationship can be traced to Will himself, and both of them have caused each other pain. I wish more people wouldwatch this video, it really puts a lot of things in perspective and shows there's a lot more to the situation than most people assume. Great work!
Thank you for this video Pat. For a long time I’ve seen Jada as a villain, but this really explains how Will’s ego has been dominating her for the entirety of their relationship and the frustration that she’s kept inside the whole time. Great vid
Agreed
I think they're both guilty of having big egos.
I respect that you were able to change your mind. Most people tend to be stubborn. Due to my experiences, I've learned never to take sides between a couple. When it comes to relationships, there's hardly ever a perfect victim.
@@sinovuyobudaza7167 so true, relationships are two ways and most issues between them are double errors
They’re both villains though
This was good 👏🏾👏🏾 the housekeepers say they worked as 24 hrs nonstop babysitters…. while cleaning #nofair how do the gay rumors fit in 🤔
Jada And Will’s marriage sounds less like a marriage of love and more of a marriage of convenience, And over the years especially the last few we’re all seeing it for what it really was, That’s how I view this entire saga.
Actually it doesn't sound like a marriage at all, but I guess they haven't come up with a name yet for the kind of mess they're in.
It’s called a lavender marriage.
You had me at "this was a preventable marriage" 😅
Wait hold up.. this actually changes so much. He and her family pressured her into marrying knowing damn well she never wanted that… she finally submits and Will prioritized himself before her and the kids, the birthday thing being about will and not her, didn’t pull any Hollywood strings to get her at least a consistent career… no wonder she became the witch she is, but it was cuz of will all along. He sharpened the sword that would kill him. Ain’t that poetic justice?
i respectfully disagree. this changes absolutely NOTHING. i've maintained the entire time that, besides the slap, the worst thing about all of this is that we know anything about it. i adore the fresh prince and i can't even look at it on screen anymore. the world truly was a slightly better place before i found out way too much about will smith's personal life.
@robertoso8796 what an utterly juvenile mindset
@@leahscontemporary yea because people are making videos about my sad fucked up personal life
@@robertoso8796So you don't disagree... You just wish it never came out and could still live with the Smiths on a pedestal in your head....
I see what you did at the end of your comment there.
I am here for the comment I once read “Jada was the only bullet Tupac dodged”
I always find it amusing how many details I miss having never cared for hollywood gossip but this one sounds like a real trip.
Listening to Will calling himself "a scientist" is so cringe and sad...
They are just so arrogant as though their story is so important to us when it"s not!
I really liked will, was always impressed by his talent and how well spoken he is, now im just so sad to see who he really is and how terrible he has handled all of this baggage.
Theyre both so... humble, ya know? 😂
I really appreciate the even-handed approach you took with this video. Neither of them was made to seem like the direct cause of their problems, as you took the time to look at the ways both of them contributed to their relationship woes. Great job
This video is so great and has clarified a lot for me! She was unhappy before and he is now. They just don't work together, but Will seems absolutely obssessed with the relationship. She clearly never loved him and just went along with it and he refuses to accept defeat because he's that self absorbed. I don't get why she stays.
Nine if your business anyway. Focus on your own life.
to try to prove that she can redefine marriage. to what end, I cannot imagine. She has only proved the opposite.
Money
@@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124 I suspect she wants someone else that doesn't want her. They're both arguing and will never agree with the other, each repeating the same minutia.
MONEY and FAME! Duh.
Nice to see people calling BOTH of them out
I watched many of your videos throughout the years, but the writing in this one was far better than most others. We love to still see you improve your craft all these years later❤