I am not noticing much of an increase of depth over Park & Field with the Beast mode. This dime is at the edge of detection. I am running both machines very hot (not realistic) to try and hit this dime. I am also noticing an iron grunt on deep targets with new DT setting when used at higher levels.. This is a tough test, a 10" a dime (in my soil) is very difficult, and only used as a demo to see if we could hear it in the new Beast Mode. This is 1.14 which is a Beta, if you are noticing the same results or any other concerns please inform NOKTA. Thanks Mike
Did you try all of the tests using the A discrimination pattern? The background noise floor is changing over the 10" dime. Sometimes using the A discrimination pattern allows both a ferrous and non ferrous response sometimes that can't be heard using the G or F patterns from my experience in mineralized dirt.
@@IffySignals I noticed that you were using horseshoe off on Manticore and G and F patterns on Legend in the video. That’s why I asked if you had tried the A disc pattern.
I happen to live in a spot with a park across the street. This park is built over an old golf course. 1930 to about 1960 it closed and park took it's place. They brought in fill dirt. Spread about 6" to 12" of top soil over it all. I have to be able to reach through that top soil to the old ground to get old coins. I am also fortunate to be able to run any and I mean any detector maxed out on sensitivity. Ground is mild and little to zero emi interference. It's a miracle spot. So I am able to stretch the legs on my detectors. I own Simplex plus, Legend now on 1.14, Equinox 800, Manticore and Deus 2. I run and have to tune each machine to get that absolute maximum depth and even then I am just able to pick up the old wheats and silver. Most coins are full pinpointer depth. I have to move very slowly like a turtle listening for that soft repeating target. And I am not talking an actual tone. Or VDI /Tid numbers working at all. In the Manticore and Deus case the depth bars are maxed full and targets come through more on the threshold pitch change. So lightly zip zip not high tone beep beep. Every deep target is questionable and not a clear high tone coin. Today I put the lg35 coil on the Legend. I buy the biggest coils for my detectors for maximum depth. So Legend on 1.14 with lg35. I put it in the beast mode under prospecting profile. And proceeded to frequency scan the the MOST critical ground balancing. Now Delic says there is ground balance then there is ground balance level 2. On ALL my detectors if I want maximum depth it's extremely critical to have a perfect ground balance. If not you will lose inches! They put 2 levels of ground balance for a reason. So I ground balanced level 1 or normal ground balance. Then I pulled up level 2 and ground balanced that. Return to the regular screen and began to go. I set reactivity to 3 in my testing it's the best for sure on the Legend. I proved that again today. Anyway I started with my turtle pace. Slow steady sweeps coil riding right on the grass. You are listening for that soft rise in tone. I did not get 5ft forward and I got a nice soft sound repeatable in both 90 degree turns. The VDI would hint a 47 once and awhile and with the Legend the depth bar works to a certain point then if target is deeper the depth bar shows nothing. So I have a nice bump of a signal tone whoop whoop and depth beyond the depth gauge and occasionally a 47vdi. This are the signs that say deep coins. And I am stretching the capabilities to the absolute max of the legend and program. For curiosity I dropped reactivity to 2 and 1. I lost the signal. Back to 3 it's back and 4 and 5 it's gone. 3 is the winner for sure on any program on the Legend. Next I switched to my Hotrod park program. And I could just pick up the signal. But not on every sweep and most of the time only one way. So back to beast. Yep it's there and a signal I would dig. Definitely faint definitely not slapping you in the face. I dug the big plug like normal and flip it. Detect the plug nope swing over the hole and target is a bit stronger and now repeating well with VDI. So I pinpoint with Accupoint. Nothing. So I dig another shovel load out a good 4" more depth. Pinpoint and there it is still in the hole. I am now at the original surface of peat gravel from the golf course. I take my hand trowel and pop the area it's pinpointed in. And I have the coin. A 1939s wheat. Full pinpointer depth. Now yes it did do it. I feel it's close to my Manticore for depth and was able to reach this level. However my Manticore does this with the stock 11"coil. My Deus 2 does this all the time with its 9" stock coil. I think the Manticore has a slight advantage with 11" over Deus 9" but they both pull coins from this level regularly. This legend has done it now. But with the largest coil at 13.5x12.5 inches. It's big heavy beast. I have to use a sling to hold the detector to be able to go any amount of time with that giant coil on. My conclusion is when conditions allow and you can max sensitivity and squeeze out everything the detector has the legend is just 1 notch below the Manticore and Deus 2. If Manticore and Deus 2 where 90 out of 100 the Legend is a solid 88 along with the Nox 800. It's right there. Weight wise it's a tank compared to Manticore and really heavy compared to Deus 2. But price it smokes everything else available. Coils are very affordable. Not the case with Manticore or Deus 2. Price and VALUE cannot be beat with the Legend. 2 points down in performance is almost nill. And here's the truth about detecting. When and I truly ask when are you trying to or going to be actually trying to dig targets at 12" deep? I have this one situation where this is the case. I have to move at a snails pace to get them. The ground water content is a huge factor to. When I go to 99% of locations I will be hunting in 6" or less with maybe an occasional 8" deep target. You or I are not trying to reach down to China to get coins. It's not practical. Most places if you popped out these giant plugs and dig even deeper you would be in trouble in a big hurry. The legend like all my other detectors can reach 8" with pretty much grab and go stock programs. Fairly fast pace and get some treasures. Those that are crazy enough to slow down and cover a 10ft x10ft patch in 1 hour and trying to squeeze every millimeter out of it we can are far and few. Beast mode, DT setting are still program options within the limits of the machines power it has available. Which is set by the FCC for this particular electronic device. This regulation's are what the companies have to work within. There's not going to be a setting or program update that's going to be a overwhelming gain. It's still within the machines specs. Just settings that might work better in one spot and not the next. Beast mode although sounds like something huge is going to happen in reality is still settings within a certain amount of power output capabilities of the detector. No update is suddenly going to make the detector gain inches. The settings in certain conditions and you having the knowledge on when and how to apply those programs and settings is what will give you the advantage over the basic programming options. I expected this 1.14 update to open another "tool" within my "toolbox/ programs" to help fine tune for some depth gains. But did I expect to update and turn on the BEAST and suddenly I am digging 2ft holes? The answer is no. I never expected anything much over what the Legend was already capable of already. That's the real truth of it. And that's perfect. Big gains will come from new technology in new machines that will be capable of greater depths. But like I say most places you know what's past 10"? NOTHING! Just dirt and rocks. How do I know this? We detected my yard. House is built 1947. I pulled everything with every detector I owned at that time. I hit it super hard. We shaved 4" off the top. Detected again. I only got a few bullets and couple of coins on that shave. We took another 4" off the top. And I detected again. And got ZERO targets. There was nothing at 8" and definitely nothing below 8". Another park in my town. I have hit it hard. I know where the old house was exactly. I pulled all the coins and junk I could. It was built around 1907. They removed the sod. Took about 6 to 8 inches off initially. I went and detected. I pulled 6 more silver coins and they where not deep. Right on the surface that was just shaved off. So for whatever reason hotter ground I suspect and coins tilted up. I did not get those silvers when the grass was there. And the depth was not big. It was conditions. And the technology was not punching through to reach those or in 99% of the case with shallow silver that's not detected the coins where standing on edge or tilted past 45 degrees. This is the most difficult thing for our detectors to find. Silver coins or any coins tilted up past 45 degrees up to 90 degrees can be 2" below the surface and most detectors won't detect them. The only detector I am starting to get tilted coins with is the Manticore. It seems to have a slight advantage on tilted up coins. I truly think testing and focus should always be performed on tilted coins. Coins at a 45 degree angle or more. For every flat coin there is probably 2 tilted coins your machine will not see. I think detector companies should be focusing on being able to detect tilted coins. Compare tilted coins on the various detectors. It will blow your mind. The first company that can detect deeper or say tilted silver at even 6" will clean up out in the world detecting. Its dumb to think all coins are laying flat or close to it. But back to depth. They took another 4 to 6" off to level the ground before the new base material went down. I detected it again and got not a single coin more. Only a few pull tabs that where clearly mixed from the surface dirts down into the flatten level. Depth is not what it's all about. Beast mode is a tool towards a slight advantage in certain situations. Will be awesome for some and worse for others. It's location dependent. Have fun detecting! Don't expect the world from the update expect you got a new set of unique wrenches that just might work on that next job.....
Great writeup thanks. I agree its a deep machine, all of these new machines are deep, they have to be with the recent competition. Im 100% sure in some soil you will get much deeper than i can and also allot less in other areas. The advantage or unique capabilities will be more around how it handles the more difficult soil, iron ect.. how stable is it in the more difficult conditions, can it unmask in these conditions how well can it punch in these conditions. You notice on some high end machines that when they lock onto a non ferrous its almost like they forget about the ferrous around them. Others struggle and try to deal with both. Good info 👍
I’m glad I bought the manticore. I wasn’t at first but once they came out with update and I finally figured out not to run above 25 sensitivity. It’s a beast. Running sensitivity to high was giving me iron falsing way too much. I thought just because it was stable I should run as high as possible. Not true with manticore. 21-25 is the best in my area 😊
I haven’t updated mine yet. I like to wait & let them work out all the bugs in Beta version then once the actual update comes out I’ll update. Saying that tho maybe I could add some input of the Beta version….idk. I’ll probably wait for the update tho. I’ve been detecting almost 4 years now & watch tons & tons of videos trying to learn everything I can. 4 years is nothing compared to most detectorist so I try not to put out my inputs on it. I have learned a lot tho & know the Legend very well. You, Calabash & a few others have taught me so much & most don’t even know it. I do appreciate all your videos.
Thx Kody, you know your stuff so why not try it out and offer feedback. Nokta tossed it out as a beta for feedback. Its an interesting approach to release betas like this for feedback/testing before a final release.
Excellent honest testing. Good, straight-forward, easy to assimilate analysis. This was why I was giving you kudos as a tester of genuine ability earlier. You save people a lot of grief. That counts. Over to you Nokta. Please take heed Nokta. You only need two, genuine top-class testers, imo. Look at the giant XP concern. Too many "chefs".......Cheers Mike.
Thx Tim. They have opened to the public for testing. Kudos to them for that interesting approach. Others will offer feedback and we will see where it goes from there. This Beast mode seems like it is based on an all metal hunter, deep iron ect.. i think many were hoping for a Beast mode that would benefit deep coins as well and be available in a park/field type setup. Without giving tone and filtering (less/more) options its not a Beast mode for the general hunter.
Great comparison! I know you have already addressed this, but to reiterate for those who may be disappointed in the results, punching deep for silver is always better in a single, low frequency.
In my country the Manticore costs 2200 usd while the legend costs 650 usd. Manticore is better, but x3 expensive, that makes the legend good choice too
I checked later and the Legend hits it in single freq so does the Double Score. But thats what I and other requests wanted to see. Something just out of range for park and field multi and if Beast Mode could hit it.
Wow, I was expecting much better results than the results you showed! We gotta be missing something because it dosent make sense for Nokta to work that long on a mode that doesn't give better results. What I've seen so far wouldn't be worth the time it takes to upload the 1.14 something MUST be missing!! What the heck??
Maybe I am missing something, not sure. I have it opened up here and the audio gain at 3 to align with Park, not sure what i could be missing but i am open to feedback and will watch others results as well. All the feedback good/bad will be a plus for the final release.
Yes, thanks for all the time you give. I'm keeping a close eye on all the results. Sooner or later Nokta "Dilek" will come on the scene and maybe clarify!! Something must be wrong! 😢
I felt like I did have better results in single frequency, 15khz. I have also noticed with dt cranked up , that it is hard to hunt with so much feedback from the detector. Mine I have noticed the tones have somewhat changed when using dt?
Looks like the beast mode update is a dud to me. I was hoping for better results. Thanks for the test. Glad I bought the Manticore but I also own the Legend.
In my mild soil, im getting 12 inch wheat penny, so im leaving mine alone. Nice video, im more interested in operating in high iron infestation areas. Let me know what you think about it's unmasking ability. Mine is going to be forsale if it doesn't improve.
I'm looking for my first detector, and trying to logically choose a multi purpose machine for use in North Carolina where we have everything from beaches to mountains. I thought I was dead set on the Manticore (especially at the current $1200 sale price) but I could get a Legend and a Gold Kruzer for the same price as the Manticore. I don't have a problem taking time to research and learn a machine, but all the variables make it really hard to choose. Suggestions?
Hey man, pretty sure you set beast mode but didn't change the number from 0, which is not active. I don't see any way that the Legend isn't hitting that dime even without beast mode. I crush 10 inch dimes all day with mine.
Hey Chris, yea i messed with 0-5. 0 which is IR off, should give the Beast Mode the best chance of hitting it. Im sure in some different ground, cleaner ground, less minerals it would do better. This was to see if BE is hitting something Park/Field would not.
Did you use the DOUBLE ground balance function along with it ? As it seemd imperative to the beast mode functionality explination 🤔 Just wondering if that was what might have made the difference or if it is also mabe useless🤔
No difference for me, reset both of them. Its easy to do and I would do it each time you enter the beast mode if you notice threshold when raising and lowering the coil. If it is out of wack you will know it. Weird that they put this where they did with no user (tone/filter) options. Like i have said it must have been requested/tested by many for them to be this far along in the process. Maybe i am missing something?
Some are saying its deeper now, i have not noticed but that is because it could hit everything before. I added the deep dime today just for an edge of detection test. All these machines are deep, i have a few oldies including the V3i that cannot hit a bunch of targets in my testbed. My bed is trashy with iron so allot of it is masked, these newer faster machines can pull them out though.
I’ve done some testing too and so far I have to concur, DT makes little to no difference and beast mode attached to gold mode limits tone settings which is disappointing. I currently prefer 4 tones which I’m used to, so trying to get my ears tuned to gold mode tones is confusing so I probably won’t use it. I’m out in the fields tomorrow so I will do some comparative tests with real targets to see I my normal settings can find the targets that I find with DT & Beast mode settings.
After 3 hours of field testing I can see why some people would like the beast mode because the modulated tones really shout out when you hit a good target it’s easy to set up and ground balance, however for me i found the constant warbling unpleasant to use for an extended time, I would have found all of the targets I found with my normal set up so no benefit, I won’t be using it for my daily detecting. I tested the DT from 1 to 6 in field M1 & M2 and switched it off when I found a target, I was still able to hear the target so again no perceivable benefit on my ground on this day. I did notice a slight distortion of the tones I use when using DT. To conclude I will continue to testing the DT mode over the next few weeks.
You enter Beast Mode through the Gold Field mode right? So after you enter the BE mode, if you change modes after that will you no longer be in BE? I seen a post that says Beast Mode is entirely a different mode all by itself, which leads me to believe it's not really dependent on the Goldfield mode, if you follow what I'm saying. Other then just having to be in Goldfield to access it. Just a stab in the dark lol
BE is only in The gold mode, its placed there but not actually gold mode, its not an option in other modes. Hopefully it will be so we have tone and filter options again.
Its awesome, Has great unmasking, depth and the dual audio mode. Other machines do not have the dual audio. I have a video or two showing the dual audio.
@@jethrocarpenter3106 👍 high conductors. I try and stick with multi, the only time i switch out is if theres an emi issues on a site. Most of the time im in the woods and gar away from emi.
2 diff detectors - a whole bunch of different adjustments - a HUGE AMOUNT of environmental interference - over 100 different ways to set each one up - missing the equalization IMO.
Yes, mainly just a demo showing Beast mode. Manticore is only there to show the dime is there. Manticore has always been a bit deeper than the Legend here. The request was to get a target out of range of Park and Field and see if Beast hits it.
Hi, this is Stock vs Stock. ML is stock 11” and the Nokta is the Bigger (new stock) LG30 which is a 12x9. Even at that, take the Manticore out of the equation… the Legend Stock modes are punching better than Beast in all configurations.
Yea! You are correct. Tough test. Had to show the silver was down there. Manticore hits it, To hot for the Legend too. Look at the Versa video i just tossed up. Its stable and hits it, that surprised me.
And right there is the difference between a high end detector and a mid range detector. Seems like the lesser EMI shielding is also crippling the Legend.
Prob close to twice as much $$ but i needed a machine to put the dime at the edge of detection (as a control) to show its down there and even almost out of range for the manticore. The Legend is a deep machine, soil conditions mean everything but here in my soil the Manticore is a bit deeper.
With legion found scrap metal at 3 pin pointer deep from bottom of foot to my knee cap Iam 5”6 so that was a deep hole that was at 40 khz 1500 machine will not do much better
All these new quality machines are deep. This is testing the beta Beast Mode vs Park and Field. If you are happy with it thats all that matters. Im just testing/comparing and showing how it acts here.
@@IffySignals I don’t like not having any tonal control In beast mode. I like to set up my tone breaks to my preference. And its not hitting anything in my test bed that the regular park program can’t already hit.
@@IffySignals ok I redid my test with the stock lg 28 coil and now I can recognize a slight depth advantage. Maybe this new program is geared more toward the original stock coil
Yea, BE is BE, very limited on what we can do with it. Weird to me but the way they wanted it, must have been requested/tested like this or why would they do it.
These tests are shit,this detector is not in the same league as the Manticor)not useable in the field. I do not like them.its original schematic as the fishery,why try and use machine..it's junk
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I am not noticing much of an increase of depth over Park & Field with the Beast mode. This dime is at the edge of detection. I am running both machines very hot (not realistic) to try and hit this dime. I am also noticing an iron grunt on deep targets with new DT setting when used at higher levels.. This is a tough test, a 10" a dime (in my soil) is very difficult, and only used as a demo to see if we could hear it in the new Beast Mode. This is 1.14 which is a Beta, if you are noticing the same results or any other concerns please inform NOKTA.
Thanks Mike
Did you try all of the tests using the A discrimination pattern? The background noise floor is changing over the 10" dime. Sometimes using the A discrimination pattern allows both a ferrous and non ferrous response sometimes that can't be heard using the G or F patterns from my experience in mineralized dirt.
@@jeffmcclendon3835 only removed ground from the Legend. Rest is stock discrimination.
@@IffySignals I noticed that you were using horseshoe off on Manticore and G and F patterns on Legend in the video. That’s why I asked if you had tried the A disc pattern.
@@jeffmcclendon3835 ahh ok, no just the left side and the ferrous limits, everything else is in and stock.
Same results for me in Germany
I happen to live in a spot with a park across the street. This park is built over an old golf course. 1930 to about 1960 it closed and park took it's place. They brought in fill dirt. Spread about 6" to 12" of top soil over it all. I have to be able to reach through that top soil to the old ground to get old coins. I am also fortunate to be able to run any and I mean any detector maxed out on sensitivity. Ground is mild and little to zero emi interference. It's a miracle spot. So I am able to stretch the legs on my detectors. I own Simplex plus, Legend now on 1.14, Equinox 800, Manticore and Deus 2. I run and have to tune each machine to get that absolute maximum depth and even then I am just able to pick up the old wheats and silver. Most coins are full pinpointer depth. I have to move very slowly like a turtle listening for that soft repeating target. And I am not talking an actual tone. Or VDI /Tid numbers working at all. In the Manticore and Deus case the depth bars are maxed full and targets come through more on the threshold pitch change. So lightly zip zip not high tone beep beep. Every deep target is questionable and not a clear high tone coin.
Today I put the lg35 coil on the Legend. I buy the biggest coils for my detectors for maximum depth. So Legend on 1.14 with lg35. I put it in the beast mode under prospecting profile. And proceeded to frequency scan the the MOST critical ground balancing. Now Delic says there is ground balance then there is ground balance level 2. On ALL my detectors if I want maximum depth it's extremely critical to have a perfect ground balance. If not you will lose inches!
They put 2 levels of ground balance for a reason.
So I ground balanced level 1 or normal ground balance. Then I pulled up level 2 and ground balanced that. Return to the regular screen and began to go. I set reactivity to 3 in my testing it's the best for sure on the Legend. I proved that again today. Anyway I started with my turtle pace. Slow steady sweeps coil riding right on the grass. You are listening for that soft rise in tone. I did not get 5ft forward and I got a nice soft sound repeatable in both 90 degree turns. The VDI would hint a 47 once and awhile and with the Legend the depth bar works to a certain point then if target is deeper the depth bar shows nothing. So I have a nice bump of a signal tone whoop whoop and depth beyond the depth gauge and occasionally a 47vdi. This are the signs that say deep coins. And I am stretching the capabilities to the absolute max of the legend and program. For curiosity I dropped reactivity to 2 and 1. I lost the signal. Back to 3 it's back and 4 and 5 it's gone. 3 is the winner for sure on any program on the Legend. Next I switched to my Hotrod park program. And I could just pick up the signal. But not on every sweep and most of the time only one way. So back to beast. Yep it's there and a signal I would dig. Definitely faint definitely not slapping you in the face. I dug the big plug like normal and flip it. Detect the plug nope swing over the hole and target is a bit stronger and now repeating well with VDI. So I pinpoint with Accupoint. Nothing. So I dig another shovel load out a good 4" more depth. Pinpoint and there it is still in the hole. I am now at the original surface of peat gravel from the golf course. I take my hand trowel and pop the area it's pinpointed in. And I have the coin. A 1939s wheat. Full pinpointer depth.
Now yes it did do it. I feel it's close to my Manticore for depth and was able to reach this level. However my Manticore does this with the stock 11"coil. My Deus 2 does this all the time with its 9" stock coil. I think the Manticore has a slight advantage with 11" over Deus 9" but they both pull coins from this level regularly. This legend has done it now. But with the largest coil at 13.5x12.5 inches. It's big heavy beast. I have to use a sling to hold the detector to be able to go any amount of time with that giant coil on.
My conclusion is when conditions allow and you can max sensitivity and squeeze out everything the detector has the legend is just 1 notch below the Manticore and Deus 2. If Manticore and Deus 2 where 90 out of 100 the Legend is a solid 88 along with the Nox 800. It's right there. Weight wise it's a tank compared to Manticore and really heavy compared to Deus 2. But price it smokes everything else available. Coils are very affordable. Not the case with Manticore or Deus 2. Price and VALUE cannot be beat with the Legend. 2 points down in performance is almost nill. And here's the truth about detecting. When and I truly ask when are you trying to or going to be actually trying to dig targets at 12" deep? I have this one situation where this is the case. I have to move at a snails pace to get them. The ground water content is a huge factor to. When I go to 99% of locations I will be hunting in 6" or less with maybe an occasional 8" deep target. You or I are not trying to reach down to China to get coins. It's not practical. Most places if you popped out these giant plugs and dig even deeper you would be in trouble in a big hurry. The legend like all my other detectors can reach 8" with pretty much grab and go stock programs. Fairly fast pace and get some treasures. Those that are crazy enough to slow down and cover a 10ft x10ft patch in 1 hour and trying to squeeze every millimeter out of it we can are far and few.
Beast mode, DT setting are still program options within the limits of the machines power it has available. Which is set by the FCC for this particular electronic device. This regulation's are what the companies have to work within.
There's not going to be a setting or program update that's going to be a overwhelming gain. It's still within the machines specs. Just settings that might work better in one spot and not the next. Beast mode although sounds like something huge is going to happen in reality is still settings within a certain amount of power output capabilities of the detector. No update is suddenly going to make the detector gain inches. The settings in certain conditions and you having the knowledge on when and how to apply those programs and settings is what will give you the advantage over the basic programming options. I expected this 1.14 update to open another "tool" within my "toolbox/ programs" to help fine tune for some depth gains. But did I expect to update and turn on the BEAST and suddenly I am digging 2ft holes? The answer is no. I never expected anything much over what the Legend was already capable of already. That's the real truth of it. And that's perfect.
Big gains will come from new technology in new machines that will be capable of greater depths. But like I say most places you know what's past 10"?
NOTHING!
Just dirt and rocks. How do I know this? We detected my yard. House is built 1947. I pulled everything with every detector I owned at that time. I hit it super hard. We shaved 4" off the top. Detected again. I only got a few bullets and couple of coins on that shave. We took another 4" off the top. And I detected again. And got ZERO targets. There was nothing at 8" and definitely nothing below 8".
Another park in my town. I have hit it hard. I know where the old house was exactly. I pulled all the coins and junk I could. It was built around 1907. They removed the sod. Took about 6 to 8 inches off initially. I went and detected. I pulled 6 more silver coins and they where not deep. Right on the surface that was just shaved off. So for whatever reason hotter ground I suspect and coins tilted up. I did not get those silvers when the grass was there. And the depth was not big. It was conditions. And the technology was not punching through to reach those or in 99% of the case with shallow silver that's not detected the coins where standing on edge or tilted past 45 degrees. This is the most difficult thing for our detectors to find. Silver coins or any coins tilted up past 45 degrees up to 90 degrees can be 2" below the surface and most detectors won't detect them. The only detector I am starting to get tilted coins with is the Manticore. It seems to have a slight advantage on tilted up coins.
I truly think testing and focus should always be performed on tilted coins. Coins at a 45 degree angle or more. For every flat coin there is probably 2 tilted coins your machine will not see. I think detector companies should be focusing on being able to detect tilted coins. Compare tilted coins on the various detectors. It will blow your mind. The first company that can detect deeper or say tilted silver at even 6" will clean up out in the world detecting. Its dumb to think all coins are laying flat or close to it.
But back to depth. They took another 4 to 6" off to level the ground before the new base material went down. I detected it again and got not a single coin more. Only a few pull tabs that where clearly mixed from the surface dirts down into the flatten level.
Depth is not what it's all about. Beast mode is a tool towards a slight advantage in certain situations. Will be awesome for some and worse for others. It's location dependent.
Have fun detecting! Don't expect the world from the update expect you got a new set of unique wrenches that just might work on that next job.....
Great writeup thanks. I agree its a deep machine, all of these new machines are deep, they have to be with the recent competition. Im 100% sure in some soil you will get much deeper than i can and also allot less in other areas. The advantage or unique capabilities will be more around how it handles the more difficult soil, iron ect.. how stable is it in the more difficult conditions, can it unmask in these conditions how well can it punch in these conditions. You notice on some high end machines that when they lock onto a non ferrous its almost like they forget about the ferrous around them. Others struggle and try to deal with both. Good info 👍
I’m glad I bought the manticore. I wasn’t at first but once they came out with update and I finally figured out not to run above 25 sensitivity. It’s a beast. Running sensitivity to high was giving me iron falsing way too much. I thought just because it was stable I should run as high as possible. Not true with manticore. 21-25 is the best in my area 😊
Agree! I run some stability as well.
I haven’t updated mine yet. I like to wait & let them work out all the bugs in Beta version then once the actual update comes out I’ll update.
Saying that tho maybe I could add some input of the Beta version….idk.
I’ll probably wait for the update tho.
I’ve been detecting almost 4 years now & watch tons & tons of videos trying to learn everything I can.
4 years is nothing compared to most detectorist so I try not to put out my inputs on it.
I have learned a lot tho & know the Legend very well.
You, Calabash & a few others have taught me so much & most don’t even know it.
I do appreciate all your videos.
Thx Kody, you know your stuff so why not try it out and offer feedback. Nokta tossed it out as a beta for feedback. Its an interesting approach to release betas like this for feedback/testing before a final release.
@@IffySignals okay, I’m going to update it tomorrow & play in my test garden & take it out on a hunt.
Thanks
Nice 👍
Excellent honest testing. Good, straight-forward, easy to assimilate analysis. This was why I was giving you kudos as a tester of genuine ability earlier. You save people a lot of grief. That counts. Over to you Nokta. Please take heed Nokta. You only need two, genuine top-class testers, imo. Look at the giant XP concern. Too many "chefs".......Cheers Mike.
Thx Tim. They have opened to the public for testing. Kudos to them for that interesting approach. Others will offer feedback and we will see where it goes from there. This Beast mode seems like it is based on an all metal hunter, deep iron ect.. i think many were hoping for a Beast mode that would benefit deep coins as well and be available in a park/field type setup. Without giving tone and filtering (less/more) options its not a Beast mode for the general hunter.
Thank you for the great videos you do. I’m glad I just bought the Manticore. Now I need to get some hours under my belt in the field. 👍
Happy Hunting!
Manti is a beast. She slaps coins hard.
Great comparison! I know you have already addressed this, but to reiterate for those who may be disappointed in the results, punching deep for silver is always better in a single, low frequency.
Thanks Travis
In my country the Manticore costs 2200 usd while the legend costs 650 usd. Manticore is better, but x3 expensive, that makes the legend good choice too
Definitely 👍
Good test Iffy. I don't know about the beast mode . 😮 Keep swinging !
Thanks!
Good test with machines 👍👍👍
Thanks!
Nice video Iffy.
Wished you would have checked dime using 5 kHz with Legend.
Looks like the Manticore was the Beast.
I checked later and the Legend hits it in single freq so does the Double Score. But thats what I and other requests wanted to see. Something just out of range for park and field multi and if Beast Mode could hit it.
Wow, I was expecting much better results than the results you showed! We gotta be missing something because it dosent make sense for Nokta to work that long on a mode that doesn't give better results. What I've seen so far wouldn't be worth the time it takes to upload the 1.14 something MUST be missing!! What the heck??
Maybe I am missing something, not sure. I have it opened up here and the audio gain at 3 to align with Park, not sure what i could be missing but i am open to feedback and will watch others results as well. All the feedback good/bad will be a plus for the final release.
Yes, thanks for all the time you give. I'm keeping a close eye on all the results. Sooner or later Nokta "Dilek" will come on the scene and maybe clarify!! Something must be wrong! 😢
I felt like I did have better results in single frequency, 15khz. I have also noticed with dt cranked up , that it is hard to hunt with so much feedback from the detector. Mine I have noticed the tones have somewhat changed when using dt?
Awesome Mikey 💯💯💯🤟
Juice! Will catch up on your vids bud! Been allot going on here at the farm 😆
Looks like the beast mode update is a dud to me. I was hoping for better results. Thanks for the test. Glad I bought the Manticore but I also own the Legend.
Thanks Mark, its a Beta, hopefully if enough people are seeing a concern they will revisit.
In my mild soil, im getting 12 inch wheat penny, so im leaving mine alone.
Nice video, im more interested in operating in high iron infestation areas. Let me know what you think about it's unmasking ability. Mine is going to be forsale if it doesn't improve.
Rick that DT might help ya, it works. I don’t have a use for Beast the way they have it but that DT has some stuff going on.
I'm looking for my first detector, and trying to logically choose a multi purpose machine for use in North Carolina where we have everything from beaches to mountains. I thought I was dead set on the Manticore (especially at the current $1200 sale price) but I could get a Legend and a Gold Kruzer for the same price as the Manticore. I don't have a problem taking time to research and learn a machine, but all the variables make it really hard to choose. Suggestions?
Multi purpose and you can afford the Manticore i would go with that, the menu is very nice and the 2d screen is great.
Thanks for vid and demonstration.
Welcome Fred
nice video but you need to hold down the noise cancel until it sets on one number on the Manticore.
Personal preference 👍 if in a tough spot that works even better.
Hey man, pretty sure you set beast mode but didn't change the number from 0, which is not active. I don't see any way that the Legend isn't hitting that dime even without beast mode. I crush 10 inch dimes all day with mine.
Hey Chris, yea i messed with 0-5. 0 which is IR off, should give the Beast Mode the best chance of hitting it. Im sure in some different ground, cleaner ground, less minerals it would do better. This was to see if BE is hitting something Park/Field would not.
Did you use the DOUBLE ground balance function along with it ? As it seemd imperative to the beast mode functionality explination 🤔 Just wondering if that was what might have made the difference or if it is also mabe useless🤔
No difference for me, reset both of them. Its easy to do and I would do it each time you enter the beast mode if you notice threshold when raising and lowering the coil. If it is out of wack you will know it. Weird that they put this where they did with no user (tone/filter) options. Like i have said it must have been requested/tested by many for them to be this far along in the process. Maybe i am missing something?
Did you press pinpoint button to auto ground balance GB1 and GB2 in the beast mode? @@IffySignals
Thanks for your testing! Do you notice any difference on the Legend in Park and Field versus older firmwares?
Some are saying its deeper now, i have not noticed but that is because it could hit everything before. I added the deep dime today just for an edge of detection test. All these machines are deep, i have a few oldies including the V3i that cannot hit a bunch of targets in my testbed. My bed is trashy with iron so allot of it is masked, these newer faster machines can pull them out though.
Thanks Iffy ,wondering where the versa went everything has been quite for awhile now ?
Its still here! Currently my favorite relic machine. Park Dual mode. 👍
Hi do you think manticore is deeper than the versa ?
@@adrianchintoan5120 until today i did. 😆 now i think the Versa is right with it or deeper than it. Did you see the video i just posted? Surprised me.
Will the Deus 2 hit that same merc that the manti will hit?
Not sure i will try, i buried it for testing Beast Mode.
.beautiful detector❤
Thanks
I’ve done some testing too and so far I have to concur, DT makes little to no difference and beast mode attached to gold mode limits tone settings which is disappointing. I currently prefer 4 tones which I’m used to, so trying to get my ears tuned to gold mode tones is confusing so I probably won’t use it. I’m out in the fields tomorrow so I will do some comparative tests with real targets to see I my normal settings can find the targets that I find with DT & Beast mode settings.
Glad others are testing it as well. I am uploading a video now with the Legend Stable.
After 3 hours of field testing I can see why some people would like the beast mode because the modulated tones really shout out when you hit a good target it’s easy to set up and ground balance, however for me i found the constant warbling unpleasant to use for an extended time, I would have found all of the targets I found with my normal set up so no benefit, I won’t be using it for my daily detecting. I tested the DT from 1 to 6 in field M1 & M2 and switched it off when I found a target, I was still able to hear the target so again no perceivable benefit on my ground on this day. I did notice a slight distortion of the tones I use when using DT. To conclude I will continue to testing the DT mode over the next few weeks.
awesome video do you know if there will be a new metal detector that will replace the manticore like a version 2? thanks
Thanks! Not heard anything yet.
You enter Beast Mode through the Gold Field mode right? So after you enter the BE mode, if you change modes after that will you no longer be in BE? I seen a post that says Beast Mode is entirely a different mode all by itself, which leads me to believe it's not really dependent on the Goldfield mode, if you follow what I'm saying. Other then just having to be in Goldfield to access it. Just a stab in the dark lol
BE is only in The gold mode, its placed there but not actually gold mode, its not an option in other modes. Hopefully it will be so we have tone and filter options again.
Thank you sir
Welcome!
Well done!
Thanks Mark!
Good information thank you.
Thanks Jimmy!
Great videos. How does the Versa compare to these 2 machines please 👍
Its awesome, Has great unmasking, depth and the dual audio mode. Other machines do not have the dual audio. I have a video or two showing the dual audio.
@@IffySignals An awesome achievement by the master Arek 👍💪
@@takeitonthechin3965 yes! his 3.7 update is a different animal than the 2.44.
Great video
Thanks Dave!
is that the lg 30 coil or 24 on the Legend?
LG 30, nice coil.
Have you tried single frequencies??...
Yes, a new video from yesterday.
It's deeper in 10-15khz single frequency on the legend.
Prob on silver yes, the lower the better for deep high conductors. These are multis so I figured show them in Multi.
@@IffySignals it's deeper ever on clad.
Far better in single.
@@jethrocarpenter3106 👍 high conductors. I try and stick with multi, the only time i switch out is if theres an emi issues on a site. Most of the time im in the woods and gar away from emi.
2 diff detectors - a whole bunch of different adjustments - a HUGE AMOUNT of environmental interference - over 100 different ways to set each one up - missing the equalization IMO.
Yes, mainly just a demo showing Beast mode. Manticore is only there to show the dime is there. Manticore has always been a bit deeper than the Legend here. The request was to get a target out of range of Park and Field and see if Beast hits it.
Would the Double Score hit that?
Good question, I’m not sure. That would be interesting considering I could not get the Legend to. Ill check.
@IffySignals whenever you gets a chance please check it out thanks for all the work you puts into this.
@@seandoyle6494 welcome
Manticore has a bigger coil obviously it’s gonna hit better
Hi, this is Stock vs Stock. ML is stock 11” and the Nokta is the Bigger (new stock) LG30 which is a 12x9. Even at that, take the Manticore out of the equation… the Legend Stock modes are punching better than Beast in all configurations.
OUCH!!!!!
Danny 👍
For the price you pay for top end detectors, it seems a 10” dime would be no problem. Just my thoughts. Maybe I’m missing something. Idk…..
Tough here in NE, my soil is loaded with bits of nails.
Damn it, now I’m gonna have to sell house to buy a Manticore.
Lmao
Running that manticore way to hot 😉
Yea! You are correct. Tough test. Had to show the silver was down there. Manticore hits it, To hot for the Legend too. Look at the Versa video i just tossed up. Its stable and hits it, that surprised me.
@@IffySignals Will do buddy 👌
And right there is the difference between a high end detector and a mid range detector.
Seems like the lesser EMI shielding is also crippling the Legend.
Prob close to twice as much $$ but i needed a machine to put the dime at the edge of detection (as a control) to show its down there and even almost out of range for the manticore. The Legend is a deep machine, soil conditions mean everything but here in my soil the Manticore is a bit deeper.
im glad i looked at this video .i won.t be going to 1.14 until they fix it.great job iffy can.t see how u can show it any better than u did.not good.
Thx Mike
Anfibio would kill that...
Thx
Run it the leagion in m4 with 1.13 works fine
It works fine in Park M2 as well, the video is about Beast Mode and if you are gaining depth over park and field.
Ground BALANCE!!!!!
Many times 👍 They are working on it.
600 euro vs 2200 euro this is real test!!!
Thanks
With legion found scrap metal at 3 pin pointer deep from bottom of foot to my knee cap Iam 5”6 so that was a deep hole that was at 40 khz 1500 machine will not do much better
All these new quality machines are deep. This is testing the beta Beast Mode vs Park and Field. If you are happy with it thats all that matters. Im just testing/comparing and showing how it acts here.
Im not impressed at all by the beast mode so far
What have you noticed Lance?
@@IffySignals I don’t like not having any tonal control In beast mode. I like to set up my tone breaks to my preference. And its not hitting anything in my test bed that the regular park program can’t already hit.
@@lancemcilwainoutcastmetald5398 same here.
@@IffySignals ok I redid my test with the stock lg 28 coil and now I can recognize a slight depth advantage. Maybe this new program is geared more toward the original stock coil
Bust Mode
Have you tried it yet?
you would have hit that dime on 4 khz
Yes, hits it better than multi was.
It's like listening to awfully bipping noise..it's not good enough,it's old tech,that's not worth it.
Thanks.
The Minelab coil is bigger not a fair comparation
Have you seen the LG 30 coil for the Legend? Its a 12”x9 its a big coil. Comes stock on the new Legends. The Manticore is the stock round 11”.
Single frequency in my ground is considerable deeper than multi, maybe give that a try.
Unfortunately after trying to use single frequency I think beast mode is only active under multi frequency.
Yea, BE is BE, very limited on what we can do with it. Weird to me but the way they wanted it, must have been requested/tested like this or why would they do it.
These tests are shit,this detector is not in the same league as the Manticor)not useable in the field.
I do not like them.its original schematic as the fishery,why try and use machine..it's junk
Thanks for the feedback.
Beast mode LOL, Not even worth the UPGRADE for what better VDI INFO 🤣
Not what i was expecting.