Hey Gary! As a person that's only used a detector once (about 30 yrs ago) to find a lost wedding band, I think your video is interesting, definitely not boring! The things that I know & understand about detecting is what I've learned watching and listening to you. There's other detecting channels, I'm sure, but you make it informative & intertaining. Anyone else, I'd never watch it. At my age, chances are, I'll never go do this, but I do enjoy watching you go out, trying to find anything possible plus the aggravation of filming it. This stresses to me patience that I'll never have. I appreciate your time & effort. Pay no attention to the negative 💩 others sling your way. They're not worth it. Again, thanks for the video! Have a large day my friend 👍🍁
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld Same here Gary...I agree with Sandy because after all the years you been doing this, I just take it that you know what you are doing 👍👍👍
I'm only a few minutes in but you've got your logic all wrong. Galvanized and rusty screws are still iron lol. It's Galvanized STEEL or stainless steel which is 99 percent iron. :) Just like nails are technically steel. We just call them iron in the hobby. The small foil range is just on the upper limit of iron on the Legend it read property other than the ferrous meter which isn't really accurate at all, never trust that. The manticore did hit the foil a bit better. A depth reading on the shell casing and other objects did exist on the Legend.......the one tiny bar at the bottom is for anything 6 inches or over. That's what that means. Last but not least if you're running two different modes on two different machines results will vary. Deep coins on the Legend should be in M1 on cleaner ground maybe M2 in heavy iron. M3 is a higher frequency weighted mode which more for unmasking coins in modern trash like foil and aluminum or in wet soil I've never had much success with it looking for deep targets. Also using a 15 inch coil on one machine and an 11 on the other can change the ability to ID targets........even changing coils on the same machine can do it.
All of the sites I show you guys are modern. Polluted. The fairgrounds for example is 120 years of fairs...right up to this year. Yes there are areas that have history burried there such as the nail bed...but the nail bed still has modern trash in it. So M3 is the correct multifrequency for these spots. In my opinion. As for the galvanized screw I have found dozens with the older machines and they do read them higher. The AT would ring that into the 60's ...the simplex 60's or 70's...so when I say the minelab got it right...I am saying it follows the cool kids with its determination. What I am used to seeing from past digs. So Yes The legend may have it correct. But its not following the crowd. Yes thank you for mentioning the bar at the bottom scale on the legend. I did figure that out after the video. Yes the coils size difference is a given...I try the same test on coins in an upcoming video and I do mention it is in no way a fair test. The legend should still read iron as iron non dependent on coil size and manticore should as well.....that being said we have seen the eq 600 ring items up different with the 6 inch coil....IRON would ring much like the manticore...oh its a coin...but it never was.
I also own the legend as well as the Manticore, and while I am strictly a beach hunter here in South Florida, I have found the Manticore to be extremely accurate and it’s identification of iron versus non-iron targets, especially if you configure the red numbers to indicate iron targets. I don’t believe you had that menu option on using the Manticore ! It’s a big part of the technology built into the Manticore, especially if you bother to USE it! It’s always a good idea to learn how to use a machine if you’re going to post a review of it! The Manticore is my go to machine on the beach.. especially with the M9 coil.
Well firstly beach and the highly mineralized soil I am digging here in Northern onatario are not remotely the same. So as I always say your mileage based on digging conditions is going to differ. Therefore my analysis of machine vs machine in the same soil type is more accurate than saying well here in my region in my soil my machine does a great job differing ferrous to non ferrous. I say that is awesome, make us a video showing your success. Secondly this is not a review of the manticore this is a user experience test. I am not a novice, I am not new to minelab and not new to the legend. This is a comparison video. I have used the red numbers in previous videos. They do not change the signals coming in. They are in fact as terrible as the target id numbers. Some ferrous shows red...some doesn't. Some non ferrous shows red if deep enough. So very inconsistent. I prefer to use the 2d screen instead of the red number. The 2d screen is about the most accurate information giver on this machine. The sound id is terrible as ferrous items come in non ferrous all the time. It needs an adjustment. Again this is my results in my soil. I am showing my region and many other videos out there show exactly what I have experienced in this video. The legend handles iron in my region much better than the manticore. The manticore will find deeper coins and has no issues with coin signals. I don't just dig coins however and there lies my problem with the manticore. Price wise. There is a very clear winner. Thanks for stopping in.
Good morning Gary 🌞👋 I don't know much about those machines as I haven't done much detecting (Just a handful of times really) But love going with you on your digs...Its exciting!! Especially when you dig something good 😂😂😂 Thanks for the info & for sharing Time to do a video on your Bigfoot channel now 😂🙃😁 We love all of your channels Gary 💯%
Appreciate your video being concise. Like that you didn't waste screen time showing the dig. What is important is how the detectors portray the target and then what the target actually is. It might also be interesting to retest the target out of the hole when the VID is reading high on a low conductor. Interestingly, iron targets register as iron because the magnetic domains of the iron atoms align with the detector's magnetic field, and then relax, causing a secondary field that the receive coil senses. Yet iron targets also can generate eddy currents in their skin that produce an opposite polarity magnetic field which is also detectable. So, often two components interact, and it's really the quality of the post-processing in the detector that can "decide" whether the target is iron impersonating non-ferrous. So many subtle interactions can alter the results. For instance, a magnetic field shape in the ground will follow a higher permeability route through iron nails which may sufficiently bend the field more horizontally and keep it from going deeper. Suppose the nail orientation in the ground promotes the formation of eddies (nail head, tip, and bent edges). This could be because of a more perpendicular intersection with the magnetic field lines in the ground. In that case, the target may bounce toward non-ferrous and sound like something worthwhile. When the coil angle changes the target bounces toward ferrous as the field interests with the rest of the nail. On the other hand, a lower freq detector may not excite the non-ferrous eddies sufficiently and the lower freq enters deeper into the nail's skin to reveal its character better. Whereas the higher freq detector might find more eddy activity and conclude non-ferrous and the shallow skin depth of the induced eddies doesn't reveal as much of the iron character (or the galvanized skin acts to hide the iron by being more electrically conductive). Anyway, you did a good job with the test. Perhaps a test garden would work benefits in a controlled manner to understand each detector's capabilities and flaws better.
Well the Manti read that big spike right (according to your earlier declared win) that big nail is galvanized as well. As you said its a hot machine and you need to trust the ferrous signal it was telling you was there..just the tone would lead you astray but that's the beauty of that ferrous line..that said I have a Legend and love it. FYI for other Legend users..I found a nice large gold earring recently at the beach...dead center of a pulltab signal!! 33 ID..lesson..going for gold dig em all. Also found a silver chain..thin links..at ID of 12..dig em all for Jewelry. Also, not sure why you use M3..seems worst for me in most situations but my soil may be different. Seems too shallow and miss signals..we have lots of sediment so signal are of 8-12 inches down.
Interesting to see another user on the legend. For me its doing a great job telling you what to dig and not dig and gave you plenty of clues on what to what to pass over. I dont think you know as much as you think with the Legend and the filters were clearly trying to make you pass over stuff and yet when you dug up garbage. Your logic then thought the manitcore did a better job on some targets because the numbers seamed better matched to what you dug. Legend won that easy in my eyes. Also when you micro sweep on a target the depth is blank because it clearly says in the manual this works best when you sweep over the target to get enough information for it to work correctly. The legend really talks to you but only if you listen ..... I only look at the screen half the time when i know im going to dig it after listening to the target,
The Manticore gives you the ability to let some iron in (or all iron) for people that want to relic hunt. If you move your upper ferrous limit down one level, those nails would have read up as iron.
run legion i house i live dug a large scrap iam 5"6' checked it with GPR so was their that machine hit it was up to my knee cap that was a deep hole still finding in yard built in 1890 been here for 20 yrs still finding stuff
Min 17:55 do you think by having the stabiliser at around 5 you won’t have the falsing on the spike nail? It will be great if you can show what stabiliser 5 will do in your upcoming videos thanks! Awesome video
i dig every thing when i started their was no VDI back in the 90s running garett TR then after that whites IDX pro found first merc dime 1945 that still own still think was using more battery power untill fcc stepped said turn down power was maybe causing interference
Hey Gary. Just curious, but did you try a comparison of those machines in single frequency, with the same scenario, if you were using them both on multi? Great video._/👍🏻
Both machines are upated to newest firmware. I update regularly. The manitoce has only ever had one update....and it is updated. the legend has beast mode update on it currently.
Nokta beat all the Americans and Australian brands with price/performance. I think the only competitor to it is the Deus 2 with the WS6 master headphones and still the price is like 70% more
The biggest nuance here is the fact that all the trouble some iron here have rounded tops. This is what fools the Minelabs most. Cut the ends of those round tops and retest. This has been the problem with every Minelab I have owned and I have had a couple. Jeremiah
Have ran both extensively, in the same places (to compare). Manti does love rusty bent nails and crusty screws, but does much better on the deep old coins that have been missed by other machines. It seems the only choices are to either deal with digging the rusty bits or turn up the stabilizer, over 4 or 5, to knock them out (which will cause loss of some deep or masked goodies). Always nice to see two or more machines compared on the same targets though. Happy hunting
I agree with all you say..100% my findings after one season. Stabilzer is useless. Takes away the point of the 15 inch coil and paying an extra $1500 for more power. I have found a good 90 coins in the coin fields that my nox 600 and legend just don't have the power to reach. That being said neither of those machines have a 15 inch coil. So would they find those coins with a bigger coil...I can't say...but the manticore does find them and so I accept its weak points for this ability. I wish they would just tweak the iron bias setting on this machine...it needs a tweaking for us high mineralized soil guys.
Legend is better. f you want to dig galvanized go ahead. I’ll take the legend all day while I . I’m digging Indian Head pennies you will digging galvanized screws with the manacore legend.rules
oh I am trying to like my manticore...but its a lot of work. Can it get deeper coins..yes...but the price is what kills it for me. But its bought and paid for so...all can do is use it and try to perfect the settings on it to my liking...will I ever get it dialed in probably not without another update from minelab. The legend is pretty easy to pick up out of the box and trust...and I love the continued updates from nokta....a much easier purchase to justify.
I have the Ledgend, Manticore along with Minelab 800. I have used the Ledgend roughly 30 to 40 hours, which now just sits in my closet . The Ledgend seems to be like the Garrett AT Pro which was my first metal detector only finding nails and pennies. My go to machines are the Minelab.
Well I can say larry the legend was very comparable to my nox 600...a little better on Canadian clad. It takes some getting used to..but it is a good machine once you figure it out...price wise it is the hands down winner on value. I also like that they are still updating it to this day.
Great test Gary thanks! I'm sticking with the legend!
Enjoy it
Hey Gary! As a person that's only used a detector once (about 30 yrs ago) to find a lost wedding band, I think your video is interesting, definitely not boring! The things that I know & understand about detecting is what I've learned watching and listening to you. There's other detecting channels, I'm sure, but you make it informative & intertaining. Anyone else, I'd never watch it. At my age, chances are, I'll never go do this, but I do enjoy watching you go out, trying to find anything possible plus the aggravation of filming it. This stresses to me patience that I'll never have. I appreciate your time & effort. Pay no attention to the negative 💩 others sling your way. They're not worth it. Again, thanks for the video! Have a large day my friend 👍🍁
Thx Ronnie...just being informative..
Did you find the wedding band?
Everybody has their detector of choice but I must add one note.The does 2 will kick both of their tails.
@@wesleydoty5373 Yes
Good morning, Gary! I feel like you know what yur doing so I agree with you! See ya in the next one! ~~~~
She'll take my word for it...LOL
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld
Same here Gary...I agree with Sandy because after all the years you been doing this, I just take it that you know what you are doing 👍👍👍
@@gloriamitchell4596 Ty Gloria! 🤗
I'm only a few minutes in but you've got your logic all wrong. Galvanized and rusty screws are still iron lol. It's Galvanized STEEL or stainless steel which is 99 percent iron. :) Just like nails are technically steel. We just call them iron in the hobby. The small foil range is just on the upper limit of iron on the Legend it read property other than the ferrous meter which isn't really accurate at all, never trust that. The manticore did hit the foil a bit better. A depth reading on the shell casing and other objects did exist on the Legend.......the one tiny bar at the bottom is for anything 6 inches or over. That's what that means. Last but not least if you're running two different modes on two different machines results will vary. Deep coins on the Legend should be in M1 on cleaner ground maybe M2 in heavy iron. M3 is a higher frequency weighted mode which more for unmasking coins in modern trash like foil and aluminum or in wet soil I've never had much success with it looking for deep targets. Also using a 15 inch coil on one machine and an 11 on the other can change the ability to ID targets........even changing coils on the same machine can do it.
All of the sites I show you guys are modern. Polluted. The fairgrounds for example is 120 years of fairs...right up to this year. Yes there are areas that have history burried there such as the nail bed...but the nail bed still has modern trash in it. So M3 is the correct multifrequency for these spots. In my opinion. As for the galvanized screw I have found dozens with the older machines and they do read them higher. The AT would ring that into the 60's ...the simplex 60's or 70's...so when I say the minelab got it right...I am saying it follows the cool kids with its determination. What I am used to seeing from past digs. So Yes The legend may have it correct. But its not following the crowd. Yes thank you for mentioning the bar at the bottom scale on the legend. I did figure that out after the video. Yes the coils size difference is a given...I try the same test on coins in an upcoming video and I do mention it is in no way a fair test. The legend should still read iron as iron non dependent on coil size and manticore should as well.....that being said we have seen the eq 600 ring items up different with the 6 inch coil....IRON would ring much like the manticore...oh its a coin...but it never was.
I also own the legend as well as the Manticore, and while I am strictly a beach hunter here in South Florida, I have found the Manticore to be extremely accurate and it’s identification of iron versus non-iron targets, especially if you configure the red numbers to indicate iron targets. I don’t believe you had that menu option on using the Manticore ! It’s a big part of the technology built into the Manticore, especially if you bother to USE it! It’s always a good idea to learn how to use a machine if you’re going to post a review of it! The Manticore is my go to machine on the beach.. especially with the M9 coil.
Well firstly beach and the highly mineralized soil I am digging here in Northern onatario are not remotely the same. So as I always say your mileage based on digging conditions is going to differ. Therefore my analysis of machine vs machine in the same soil type is more accurate than saying well here in my region in my soil my machine does a great job differing ferrous to non ferrous. I say that is awesome, make us a video showing your success. Secondly this is not a review of the manticore this is a user experience test. I am not a novice, I am not new to minelab and not new to the legend. This is a comparison video. I have used the red numbers in previous videos. They do not change the signals coming in. They are in fact as terrible as the target id numbers. Some ferrous shows red...some doesn't. Some non ferrous shows red if deep enough. So very inconsistent. I prefer to use the 2d screen instead of the red number. The 2d screen is about the most accurate information giver on this machine. The sound id is terrible as ferrous items come in non ferrous all the time. It needs an adjustment. Again this is my results in my soil. I am showing my region and many other videos out there show exactly what I have experienced in this video. The legend handles iron in my region much better than the manticore. The manticore will find deeper coins and has no issues with coin signals. I don't just dig coins however and there lies my problem with the manticore. Price wise. There is a very clear winner. Thanks for stopping in.
Good morning Gary 🌞👋 I don't know much about those machines as I haven't done much detecting (Just a handful of times really)
But love going with you on your digs...Its exciting!! Especially when you dig something good 😂😂😂 Thanks for the info & for sharing
Time to do a video on your Bigfoot channel now 😂🙃😁
We love all of your channels Gary 💯%
Thanks 👍I trust Sandy on this matter too....
Galvanized is just a coating, it is iron or steel.
Appreciate your video being concise. Like that you didn't waste screen time showing the dig. What is important is how the detectors portray the target and then what the target actually is. It might also be interesting to retest the target out of the hole when the VID is reading high on a low conductor. Interestingly, iron targets register as iron because the magnetic domains of the iron atoms align with the detector's magnetic field, and then relax, causing a secondary field that the receive coil senses. Yet iron targets also can generate eddy currents in their skin that produce an opposite polarity magnetic field which is also detectable. So, often two components interact, and it's really the quality of the post-processing in the detector that can "decide" whether the target is iron impersonating non-ferrous. So many subtle interactions can alter the results. For instance, a magnetic field shape in the ground will follow a higher permeability route through iron nails which may sufficiently bend the field more horizontally and keep it from going deeper. Suppose the nail orientation in the ground promotes the formation of eddies (nail head, tip, and bent edges). This could be because of a more perpendicular intersection with the magnetic field lines in the ground. In that case, the target may bounce toward non-ferrous and sound like something worthwhile. When the coil angle changes the target bounces toward ferrous as the field interests with the rest of the nail. On the other hand, a lower freq detector may not excite the non-ferrous eddies sufficiently and the lower freq enters deeper into the nail's skin to reveal its character better. Whereas the higher freq detector might find more eddy activity and conclude non-ferrous and the shallow skin depth of the induced eddies doesn't reveal as much of the iron character (or the galvanized skin acts to hide the iron by being more electrically conductive). Anyway, you did a good job with the test. Perhaps a test garden would work benefits in a controlled manner to understand each detector's capabilities and flaws better.
A lot of new updates and carbon fiber upper shaft available by the way, much better cost on the Legend
3 Legends for price of Manticore! You can swing Legends in both hands in same time! And will find more than 1 manticore!!!
Well the Manti read that big spike right (according to your earlier declared win) that big nail is galvanized as well. As you said its a hot machine and you need to trust the ferrous signal it was telling you was there..just the tone would lead you astray but that's the beauty of that ferrous line..that said I have a Legend and love it.
FYI for other Legend users..I found a nice large gold earring recently at the beach...dead center of a pulltab signal!! 33 ID..lesson..going for gold dig em all. Also found a silver chain..thin links..at ID of 12..dig em all for Jewelry. Also, not sure why you use M3..seems worst for me in most situations but my soil may be different. Seems too shallow and miss signals..we have lots of sediment so signal are of 8-12 inches down.
What camera do you use?
Legend👌👌👌👌👌
Nice unbiased comparison, good job.
Interesting to see another user on the legend. For me its doing a great job telling you what to dig and not dig and gave you plenty of clues on what to what to pass over.
I dont think you know as much as you think with the Legend and the filters were clearly trying to make you pass over stuff and yet when you dug up garbage. Your logic then thought the manitcore did a better job on some targets because the numbers seamed better matched to what you dug. Legend won that easy in my eyes.
Also when you micro sweep on a target the depth is blank because it clearly says in the manual this works best when you sweep over the target to get enough information for it to work correctly.
The legend really talks to you but only if you listen ..... I only look at the screen half the time when i know im going to dig it after listening to the target,
Great demonstration of both machines, Gary. Now, go get those coins.😊
Thanks 👍
As an XP user if I were to buy 1 I'd buy the legend
The Manticore gives you the ability to let some iron in (or all iron) for people that want to relic hunt. If you move your upper ferrous limit down one level, those nails would have read up as iron.
run legion i house i live dug a large scrap iam 5"6' checked it with GPR so was their that machine hit it was up to my knee cap that was a deep hole still finding in yard built in 1890 been here for 20 yrs still finding stuff
You can set the Manticore stabilizer as high as 4 with no loss of depth. Might work better in iron nails (or not LOL). Anyway, nice vid.
Hello please whats number of software installed on your legend? Good job. ❤
Min 17:55 do you think by having the stabiliser at around 5 you won’t have the falsing on the spike nail? It will be great if you can show what stabiliser 5 will do in your upcoming videos thanks! Awesome video
i dig every thing when i started their was no VDI back in the 90s running garett TR then after that whites IDX pro found first merc dime 1945 that still own still think was using more battery power untill fcc stepped said turn down power was maybe causing interference
Hey Gary. Just curious, but did you try a comparison of those machines in single frequency, with the same scenario, if you were using them both on multi? Great video._/👍🏻
Not yet!
What version firmware on each detector?
Both machines are upated to newest firmware. I update regularly. The manitoce has only ever had one update....and it is updated. the legend has beast mode update on it currently.
You gotta run M2 not m3 for better separation and ability to hit gold..has 40khz in it, and M1 has the deepest punch
Nokta beat all the Americans and Australian brands with price/performance. I think the only competitor to it is the Deus 2 with the WS6 master headphones and still the price is like 70% more
Maybe get a 900 the manticore sounds to advance for you 😉
ohhh i like a smart ass...thanks for stopping in
The biggest nuance here is the fact that all the trouble some iron here have rounded tops. This is what fools the Minelabs most. Cut the ends of those round tops and retest.
This has been the problem with every Minelab I have owned and I have had a couple. Jeremiah
hmmm good observation...
Look at the coil size difference
Have ran both extensively, in the same places (to compare). Manti does love rusty bent nails and crusty screws, but does much better on the deep old coins that have been missed by other machines. It seems the only choices are to either deal with digging the rusty bits or turn up the stabilizer, over 4 or 5, to knock them out (which will cause loss of some deep or masked goodies). Always nice to see two or more machines compared on the same targets though. Happy hunting
I agree with all you say..100% my findings after one season. Stabilzer is useless. Takes away the point of the 15 inch coil and paying an extra $1500 for more power. I have found a good 90 coins in the coin fields that my nox 600 and legend just don't have the power to reach. That being said neither of those machines have a 15 inch coil. So would they find those coins with a bigger coil...I can't say...but the manticore does find them and so I accept its weak points for this ability. I wish they would just tweak the iron bias setting on this machine...it needs a tweaking for us high mineralized soil guys.
Legend is better. f you want to dig galvanized go ahead. I’ll take the legend all day while I . I’m digging Indian Head pennies you will digging galvanized screws with the manacore legend.rules
oh I am trying to like my manticore...but its a lot of work. Can it get deeper coins..yes...but the price is what kills it for me. But its bought and paid for so...all can do is use it and try to perfect the settings on it to my liking...will I ever get it dialed in probably not without another update from minelab. The legend is pretty easy to pick up out of the box and trust...and I love the continued updates from nokta....a much easier purchase to justify.
Legend is better f you want to dig galvanized still go ahead. I’ll take the legend day. I’m digging corn on galvanized screws with the legend.
I don't ever use the legend in m3 ,I run m2-m1
I have the Ledgend, Manticore along with Minelab 800. I have used the Ledgend roughly 30 to 40 hours, which now just sits in my closet . The Ledgend seems to be like the Garrett AT Pro which was my first metal detector only finding nails and pennies. My go to machines are the Minelab.
Well I can say larry the legend was very comparable to my nox 600...a little better on Canadian clad. It takes some getting used to..but it is a good machine once you figure it out...price wise it is the hands down winner on value. I also like that they are still updating it to this day.