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One of my favorite moments was calling a tower on the ground to execute a weather contingency for a number of aircraft. I said “I have a number for you to call advise ready to copy” (unkey mic snicker snicker).
The way ATC’s tone of voice changes when he has to go on guard… serious business. In other news though, that tower controller is the coolest cat out there. Seems very much like a no harm no foul kind of guy, and also completely in control of protocol. The kind of guy I’d like to have a beer with off the clock
Even more importantly he's the kind of guy we like to have ON the clock! Yeah, I feel like we can really tell when someone is just completely on their game, fully aware of the situation, and absolutely competent.
You'd find that, when he's not on duty, he speaks even more slowly than when he's being the "cool cat," and when he's in get-things-done-quick mode, he's in overdrive. Trust me -- I'm a Piedmont area local. Damn, but I miss barbecue....
Bless his heart for thinking the violator is monitoring Guard. That pilot SHOULD be, but most bugsmasher pilots that I know aren't aware that they're supposed to be monitoring it if they have a secondary radio available.
@@neilharrah7365 Next time you're anywhere near the Coliseum, pull into Stamey's and have a chopped barbecue sandwich, hushpuppies, coleslaw, and sweet tea, if you don't mind. Think of me as you savor those hot, fresh hushpuppies.
The lesson here is to keep that outside scan going even while in controlled airspace. There are kamikaze drones, birds, and non-communicating pilots always out there. Way to be looking out 932.
True story about drones, my glider port sits right next to a tiny mountain town of a few thousand - gorgeous little place... Annnddd sometimes the towns folk want to see the gliders - by flying their drones right into our flight path. Thankfully they tend to be covered in lights and vigilant piloting prevents any issue but its still totally uncalled for and dangerous! However, if I had to choose between running into a drone vs a rogue high wing plane, I'll take my chances with the drone!
I remember a time during my private pilot training in which I went with a student pilot and instructor on a cross country for night flight. We took off from one runway, and out of nowhere a high performance jet (probably an L39) took off from the same runway in the opposing direction. That pilot never called out on the radio and probably assumed an uncontrolled field late afternoon means no planes either. After we took off and just barely missed the jet, the instructor called ATC about the jet. ATC responded that they could see the jet on radar but the pilot didn’t talk. Presumably to avoid getting into trouble. It was the closest to a mid air for me.
That is terrifying. Both for what happened to you and for the fact that it was so easy for the other pilot to evade responsibility for their recklessness. I know GA is dangerous but dang.
@@x--. They probably figured out who it was pretty quickly, or at least what plane -- it shouldn't be that hard to see who should be there but isn't. Running from a problem generally means a bigger problem when it catches up. Taking inventory of all aircraft on site is not a resource available in this latest incident though. I mean they could, but it wouldn't help any since the offending aircraft most likely isn't one of "theirs".
Yikes! I had a similar situation at the end of a night training flight years ago. Coming home, the tower was closed for the night but some Fedex jets were still arriving and departing. They and I were using all the proper non-towered procedures when someone in a private jet took off from a crossing runway without saying a word to anyone. Could have been a bad situation. I understand that radios aren't required at an uncontrolled airport, but the FAA should change the regs to state that if you HAVE a radio, you MUST use it!
Had a seaplane fly 50 feet infront across my dash same alt obviously joy riding during private training. CfI was livid at that dude. Said it was "probably some drunk Doctor." He was using a training area as a short cut home, shit was nuts and i scan like a starved hawk now when over FL.this was in like 2006
@@mal2ksc I do wonder if the FAA would pull camera footage from surrounding fields to investigate this. It seems plausible this aircraft would have taken off or landed within an hour of the incident.
Not only no contact, but no squawk! Controller had him on PRIMARY radar and eyeballs! If they manage to find the guy, THIS is somebody I'd think should lose his ticket!
I wonder why the aircraft didn't pop up on radar until AFTER it crossed the extended centerline? Radar issue or maybe some sort of terrain obstruction?
Towers don't always give numbers solely for pilot deviations. There is a decently large list of incidents that will cause a number to be given and a pilot being asked to contact an ATC facility.
@Bob John Agree 100%, the number to call is anything they don't want broadcast over the air to anyone listening. The tower and ops phones are likely recorded as well for FAA records. I have heard police/fire dispatch do it, and we had special callsigns used when dispatching an ambulance to locations for events monitored by teams of amateur radio operators.
It was really nice to hear a professional pilot and two outstanding controllers putting safety first and working the problem. Even though it was a very dangerous situation I feel more confident about the safety of air travel when listening to these professionals at work.
Really impressed with the approach controller when he realised it was a different aircraft, and went in to serious mode. Excellent professionalism on both sides. Sucked they never identified it ...?
He will most likely be caught, Simple fact as he will go into another controlled airspace from the direction they caught him going. Then the next person will identify the plane and write a report. The most probable explanation for what occurred was a lazy complacent pilot flying G airspace. This airspace does not require a radio and him being that low would make sense. He was not operating the radio either so he most likely would not have been on Guard frequency either.
@@zeWuzard not a pilot but are you saying it's legal to fly a plane without operating a radio? That's insane. Or it sounds insane to someone who doesn't fly. Wow
@@arbitrage2141 Only in G airspace yes. G for gulf or basically "ground airspace" goes 0 to 700 and can change depending on where you are flying. Entirely up to the pilot if he wants a radio but, very very risky.
@@arbitrage2141 I know it sounds insane, but there are plenty of airstrips in the country where you can easily just take off and fly around like the old "barnstormer" days. Technically you don't need a radio. You still have to follow a set of procedures. You must follow visual flight rules, where you can see everything clearly. You have to stay out of large areas around controlled airfields, and below a certain altitude. And the pilot is solely responsible for checking the traffic pattern and runway before landing. I haven't done it, but I can see the appeal.
A few years ago, when holding short at a class D under a class B shelf I watched an obviously confused pilot violate the class D, circle over the runway and then perform a low approach on the opposite direction runway before departing for a nearby uncontrolled field. All the while tower was trying to get ahold of him on tower and guard frequencies. I'm 90% sure it was a student pilot who had gotten lost and went to the wrong airport, even though the class D and the uncontrolled field have vastly different terrain and runway configurations. I later found out he flew over the uncontrolled field a few times and didn't see the runway. We have so many tools at our disposal, it's amazing to me that people still get lost.
@@Brokkolesz Agreed. How does he allow that student to do a cross country so close to Class B and D airspace? I was lucky, my CFIs always took me to foreign airports even for pattern work, etc. Yeah, we burned a little time and fuel enroute but i learned so much about landmarks, watching for traffic, reacting to emergencies, even cross country planning. I wonder if that CFI ever reviewed that flight with his student or if he followed him on Foreflight/FlightRadar and thought "OMG, I may have just endangered a bunch of people, including this student."
The violator definitely deserves to have his ppl pulled, or at the very least, "suspended until safety re-education takes place, and can demonstrate the ability to safely operate an aircraft in controlled airspace"... Used to fly into Greensboro a lot, nice place, always well treated at their main FBO, great off-site restaurants nearby, especially for an "admitted iced tea junkie"......
The immediate thought is this is someone who really screwed up, and that's absolutely a possibility, but there is also a chance this could have been something else like an electrical failure. Thankfully everyone appears to be safe and hopefully they can track down the AC involved to figure out what went wrong. Good on 55932 for reporting so they could get some eyes out the window.
@@Darryl_Frost lmao how so? If you have an electrical failure you don’t start flying randomly through Charlie airspace. 😂 Also if that was the case, they would have actually landed, which doesn’t seem to have happened. Lack of transponder AND comms is super odd.
@@EstorilEm He did say _inexperienced_ pilot. They would hardly be the first pilot so task saturated aviating in an emergency that they failed to navigate, let alone communicate.
@@LtRiot Actually, that's literally exactly what you do. While I'm not saying that it's what happened here, if you lose your radio and transponder the AIM says to fly the traffic pattern and land with visual separation and to immediately let the controlling ATC facility know.
he learned from his last experience that a. he's cleared into every air space at all times without talking to anyone and b. to keep is radio off hahahaha
I've flown through GSO's airspace several times when I used to fly out of Smith Reynolds airport in Winston Salem. The GSO controllers back then were pretty much the same professional but usually fun to interact with no matter what you were flying. In fact one of them saved me and my flight instructor's life when we had them for flight following on a trip towards Martinsville. Another aircraft was traveling at the same altitude going the opposite direct (he was VFR and at the wrong altitude for his direction of travel). The controller told us to expited a hard climbing right hand turn. As we did I will never forget watching a twin engine prop pass just under us on the left hand side. That being said what this pilot did was clearly reckless especially when it's so easy to talk to them.
These air traffic controllers surely are of a different breed. How they keep up with all that stuff is a mystery to me. I consider myself to be highly organized and efficient, and there is evidence that I’m of at least ordinary intelligence - and I couldn’t do that job with a hundred years’ training.
I just started a new job working with controllers, dealing with training them. I've been a pilot for half of my life and having to learn all the ATC stuff and keep up with the constantly changing situations is very stressing. They all keep telling me that it takes time (2-5 years) to get comfortable and that you're always learning new things.
This is exactly why I always listen to Guard freq(121.5) just in case something like this happens. I guarantee that idiot who blew thru the airspace was never listening to guard, never heard ATCs call and was completely oblivious to the disaster he almost caused.
not a particularly insightful comment, I know, but I wanted to say thank you for making my Sunday by posting an aviation video that has my hometown accent all over it. :-)
Same! I flew as a student out of KBUY and KGS0. When the controller gave the incorrect area code are first, I immediately said "hey, that's not right!"😂
Fun fact about Greensboro Airport - They use it quite frequently for training of Air Force One pilots since the airspace is less crowded and the airport has runways over 10,000 ft.
@F. A. , Usually the transponders are on for routine training missions, at least they are from the DoD units that I have worked with. DoD CONUS towers don't like unidentifiable aircraft in their airspaces any more than civilian CONUS towers do.
They've also used KBKW (Beckley WV) and KMRB (Martinsburg WV). I understand they like MRB, it has an air national guard base, and would be a safer place to fly in if there was some sort of national emergency and issues with the DC metro area.
I think I know this person. Student, decided to quit training after this incident. (not 100% sure it was the same guy though). He was dead reckoning from KMTV to KINT and got disoriented. Again, not sure if it was the same incident or not
That’s so risky. Imagine if it was brickyard or another jet coming in. That would have been an absolute near mid air collision. Luckily, a large number of pilots watch Vasaviation and the pilot of the aircraft will be humiliated when he sees this.
I confess that hearing that Brickyard call made my hair stand up. Until then I had blithely assumed this was some tiny airport and the rogue plane didn't really matter that much.
Once a student pilot in a Cessna flew so low over the roof I was working on on our barn that I knew he was a student pilot, because I could see the instructor throw his clipboard and brace for impact before we all hit the deck. He took the top off one of our trees. That was a wild day.
@@VASAviation You seem to regularly make typos in the subtitles. Theres a number of mistakes in this video alone. Sometimes entire words are incorrect. Do you need help? I'm sure a number of us would volunteer to proof-read your subs before you upload.
@@teelo12000 I know I'm years late, but did you ever get a response? I feel like these inaccuracies have remained as a consistent flaw for this channel.
We also had a unknown aircraft around Philly airspace near the Rwy 17 Approach. It was doing circles at around I believe 2000-2500ft. I was able to get a photo of it to see what it was and it was a Cessna 206. Idk why it's flying in circles over my neighborhood...
Check out the pinned comment from VASAviation, you might consider sending it in. Might make for another interesting story on the channel. Glad to know everyone made it through safe.
In your picture does it appear to have any sensors in the bottom or on the side? There are lots of planes doing LIDAR 3D surveying of the terrain all over the country although they usually fly in a down and back pattern like a tractor harvesting a field would. The US Marshals also operate 206s that carry "stingray" cell phone devices to capture cell phone calls or can mount a camera turret to search for fugitives. We actually had one rent hangar space from the FBO I worked at a long time ago.
Had something similar happen to me years ago at LVK. I had just joined a busy pattern for 25R the controller was pretty happy that he had gotten us all in order and had transmitted to me to follow the Cessna in front of me on a long downwind for 25R, inbound IFR traffic. While I was transmitting my acknowledgement, I had to ask them about the Bonanza that pop'ed up, about 150 feet in front of me. The controller was cool, he adjusted my clearance to follow the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. This was OK, until the Bonanza started to head across the airport at pattern altitude. That's when the controller told us all to scatter, as he had a lost comm situation he needed to handle. They finally got the Bonanza on the ground, and we were all able to get back in line to land. Just another day in having flying fun.
I got my PPL flying out of an uncontrolled field. We hardly ever talked to ATC, even though we were under the outer shelf of a Charlie. So many guys like me are uncomfortable talking to controllers, and good comms should be pushed harder during training. It wasn’t until I got my instrument out of a field that fell under the bravo that I really sharpened my comms chops. Really, there isn’t any excuse for not picking up VFR traffic advisories if you can get them. Violating airspace and crossing the approach path at approach altitudes is a big damn deal, and I hope that it’s dealt with accordingly.
I am lucky and fly out of KARR, a small class D. Talking on the radio was just something I did. I never realized some pilots only talk to ATC once during their training, the 3 patterns at an airport with active ATC. Even with that said, I get surprised, when flying to pilot controlled airports, that so many pilots do not talk on the radio. I cannot say anything bad about those pilots, they are not breaking any rules, but talking with each other makes flying safer for everyone. Another thing I always do is tune in 121.5 and the closest airport.
What blows my mind, is that flying into a towered airport’s airspace makes things easier, not harder. All you have to do is keep an eye out for traffic and the ATC will even point out where the traffic is instead of everyone tying up the radio with 16 position reports.
I started my training at Santa Monica under the LAX Class B, so you use the radio like crazy from day one. Now I fly out in the boonies where you talk to ATC when you get lonely. It's a good skill to learn!
@@VictoryAviation It's easier as long as everyone is following the rules. Any VFR aircraft are supposed to call the tower when they want to enter controlled airspace, at which point the tower will either deny entry or initiate flight following procedures and issue that VFR aircraft a squawk code for the duration of that following. A VFR aircraft that doesn't call in and is running without transponder is barely visible on radar and poses a danger to all other aircraft in the vicinity.
Its not that bad a thing just that you invaded the local safety area below 4000 feet around a "controlled" tower monitored airport. The point is that the airport controller needs a certain amount of real estate around the airport to safely control approaches and departures without being "molested" by an aircraft who does not check in and get permission to fly through before they invade said airspace. But yes, it is the equivulent of invading private property on the ground.
Yeah, the controller sounded like he was pissed in this one. I would be, too. Really great to hear both atc and aircraft working together though, it’s the one time where you don’t mind a phone number.
That pilot handled that well! 2-300 ft is NOTHING in terms of air space and extremely dangerous. Wonder who the stick jockey was in that aircraft! Yikes!
I can only assume the high wing was trying to fly under the outer shelf of the Class C which starts at 2100, and must've drifted into the inner circle. But given 5R is the landing runway, this indicates the wind was blowing away from the inner circle instead of towards. So the drift had to be pilot induced. There's also no uncontrolled airports on the 5R final approach side other than a private grass field to the south, so we can only assume this was a transition flight. 55349 didn't indicate the direction of flight of the violating aircraft..(northbound/ southbound). Which could have given a clue of possible destination. Being he did say "left", maybe the dude was flying north, of which there happens to be an uncontrolled airport named "Meadow Brook" in that direction and not far from the Class C. All this is just speculation, of course.
I had TWO issues like this TODAY flying with a student. I had a citabria join the downind 200' above me. Literally directly above me. Then, in the practice areas, I had another aircraft not on the practice area frequency or approach frequency get within a few hundred feet of me to the point that I had to make an evasive maneuver. Annoying as hell. Scary, too.
I don't know if any of you people watch LewDix Aviation, but he recently had a similar incident in a video. He was doing pattern work with a student at an uncontrolled airport when a cirrus came flying over the airport below pattern altitude to transition the airspace. Go check out that video
In the lewdix case, that was class E airspace with no control tower. The cirrus violated flight guidelines, but legally did not violate airspace. In this case, the Cessna violated airspace.
Had a cessna cross in front of me while on final in KSTL one night years ago, I was in a cherokee 6 .They kept calling out traffic but I could not see it until it crossed through my landing light, yes it was that close less then 300 feet. Not cool.
similar to the question 'if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound' - If you violate class C airspace, and nobody knows who you are and you don’t communicate, did you really violate the air space?
If you were in Charlie space and were not communicating with ATC, you were committing a grave and potentially catastrophic violation. You may not get caught, and it may be a situation where a student pilot got lost, but if ATC calls you on Guard, you RESPOND! Aviate first, of course, and navigate so you know where you are (which, in the circumstances, isn't where you belong) but then COMMUNICATE.
I was on a helicopter sight-seeing ride in a Bell 206 Jetranger. We were on final just short of the threshold around maybe 200 feet when I casually glanced to my left and saw a low wing Beechcraft about two hundred feet away coming straight at us! It passed mere feet behind us about 1 second later. I said to the pilot, "That plane just missed us!" He said, "What plane?" Thats why I don't take sight-seeing rides any more. lol When I say it was close, I mean it was he was wearing a blue shirt and his wife had on a yellow dress close.
BA1 (BAW001) and VS3 (VIR3N) had a joint take off (same time, off each runway) at LHR bound for JFK with the relaxing of US covid related border controls to Europe. Both flights departed LHR at 0850 UTC.
I've fallen down the rabbit hole of ATC radio transmission recordings recently, and this is the _only_ time so far that "I have a number for you to call" is not a reason to dye your shorts brown. Disregard the fact that 55932 already had brown shorts by the time any mention of phone numbers was made. 😅
TWR: I have a number for you N32: I don' have anything to write TWR: You are not in trouble N32: I just found a piece of paper and a pen. p.s. I am joking
actually they do, but some aircraft are exempt, which are very few. Drones cannot be seen by ASR RADAR, nor a R/C Aircraft unless its a decent sized one. which makes them that much more dangerous to full size aircraft.
Some pilots are plain stupid. I was watching a video where they were flying options at a uncontrolled airport, and some clown flew over the runway at a low altitude and wasn’t even on frequency. Luckily they wasn’t on a runway heading.
@@talkymocha9994 You still need to communicate with other pilots… 😂 Any decent pilot at any airport like that communicate with one another to avoid colliding and know each other’s intentions. You become ATC.
I hope it was a student on solo, I would hope a "real" pilot is not that stupid. However if it was a student, the fact that their cfi signed off on them scares me. I am not a child but I would not want a student like that putting my ticket on the line.
Maybe someone clipped the edge of Class C airspace while flying cross country from A to B. Hopefully they didn’t mean to do it and realized what they did and took corrective action.
Proper corrective action includes tuning in to local frequency, turning on your transponder, and working with ATC to rectify the situation in a hurry. Yes, corrective action sometimes means owning your mistakes and taking your medicine. There was NONE of that happening with this unknown plane.
Hi Vasa. Do you have any info on this crash i believe happened on the 5th nov. (last Friday) - Marília Mendonça, one of Brazil's biggest singers and a Latin Grammy winner, has been killed in a plane crash on her way to a concert -
Because pulling over by the side of the road if there's a problem is a bit more complex than with a car, especially electrical fires. Wiring and equipment have shorted in airplanes before and caused deadly crashes, see TWA 800. I'm not willing to fly any aircraft wherein I'm unable to kill all electrical devices if the need arises.
Or when it’s spazzing out and confusing everyone, I had that happen on a rental aircraft and approach has me turn off my transponder for a minute to try resetting it
Do you mean allowed or able? As GrayRabbit below posts, there can be many circumstances where something should be ABLE to be switched off, after which some kind of emergency procedures with ATC initiated.
If you fly formation and you will learn why you can turn off the transponder. ATC would get all sorts of traffic alerts becuase the planes in the formation are well within ATC safety margins. So, only the lead aircraft has the transponder on and the others turn them off.
Because in an emergency you have to be able to turn anything necessary off to save your neck and/or the plane. For example, a couple of years ago my plane’s alternator quit during a flight. Since it was day VFR in uncontrolled airspace I turned off the plane’s entire electrical system until approach to conserve battery power.
Question: At 1:28 when he calls all aircraft, what frequency is he calling on? Is there a frequency all pilots are tuned to? Or is he doing some sort of multiple band transmit?
Probably 121.5 which is the civilian distress frequency. All controllers and most aircraft are listening to that frequency at all times, in addition to their assigned frequency.
@@Number_055 AKA "Guard" Frequency. the FAA, FCC, DOD, DHS, even some local Law Enforcement with aviation units monitor that frequency 24/7/365. I know as a HEMS pilot myself, i ALWAYS keep my secondary radio on 121.5 as monitored so i can hear it, but not actively talk to it.
My assumption: the controller gave the standard number and then someone in the room reminded him they’d been having phone problems and so he gave an alternate that may or may not be the supervisor’s cell phone
I don’t like at all when they have a student pilot on base to final turn and someone else on short final on parallel runway. Somehow that seems a bit dangerous if the student pilot overshoots the turn or thinks he/she is overshooting it and stalls/spins because of that.
I have been noticing more and more planes not on ADSB lately. First it was the local hospital's helicopter that was visible mabe 60% of the time. Now I've seen military mostly but some what appear to be civilian planes doing that.
It's not required to be using ADSB. Some people don't want the gov to be able to track them. You can fly in and out of uncontrolled fields without it all the time and be legal.
you can thank LADD and PIA for that. ADSB Exchange is the place to go to see unfiltered data now, FR24 has to follow certain rules when it comes to privacy requests since its using FAA Data, not just open source ADSB data from users.
@@gringoloco8576 lol, the gov tracks them regardless..... just because we cant see them on ADSB or whatnot does not mean the elaborate RADAR network cannot see them.
It is luck that primary radar is still also in use on many airports. Imagine this happening at night and this aircraft has (probably intentionally) disabled transponder.
luck? no, not at all. there were probably 5 RADAR's looking at him, but intermittent detection due to terrain. I know for a fact there are two ASR RADAR sites within 80 miles of Greensboro that picked him up. then you have the JSS Long Range Sites that have 2-400 Mile Ranges of detection, and there are at least 2 of them nearby that would have picked him up.
@@CapStar362 But in these times there are many airports which don't have primary radar coverage, as primary radar has been phased of in many areas, and only military air defence stations have primary radars.
@@if860 not true in the slightest. the ENTIRE landmass of CONUS is RADAR covered. and that is down to 100 ft AGL for >90% of the landmass. only certain sites where shut down because the necessary coverage was already there. you dont need a ASR Site at every airport, in fact, many smaller regional airports do not have a ASR Site because ASR Coverage is already established. they have GATR Sites for ADSB 1090ES and TIS/FIS 987 UAT transceivers. ASR RADARs like the ASR-9 and ASR-11 have a 60 Mile Range. the JSS/FAA ARSR-4 Long Range Sites have a 400 Mile Range, and all of the sites overlap each other with plentiful amounts that the FAA needs to be able to monitor all airfields. the original ARSR-4's had a range of about 215-230NM, but as newer electronics with tighter filters and detection algorithms came about, that range got well enhanced to around 380-400. ARSR-4's can detect aircraft only 323m apart and separate them as needed as returns. I went back and checked the JSS Sites and ASR Sites to within Range of KGSO, i can guarantee you, at least 5 sites in total had to have detected this aircraft at some point within a 20 NM range of KGSO. that data is collaborated nationwide and used specifically for situations like this. when tower said - "I just picked up a Primary" that was at least 1 site picking him up on Primary RADAR, and i can easily guestimate it was Raleigh-Durham's ASR and/or Charlotte's JSS ARSR-4 Site.
When i read the title my first thought was pipeline patrol while laughing to myself. Probably wasn't him though cuz he is kind of obvious with giant pipeline patrol written on the bottom of the wings.
Has any pilot ever reported a unidentified flying object after or a Uso unidentified submerged object or do they just report each other and ruined their own careers even if it's a mistake, I know it's wrong and dangerous up there but do they always do that
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Thanks for the report!
If you want to share your experiences as a pilot or ATC, don't hesitate and email vasaviation1@gmail.com with all the information so we can produce a video about it.
Got one for you but may not be archived anymore
I want to share my ability to edit these inaccurate transcripts
Keep up the great work!
@@ublade82 you know you can edit all the transcripts you want on your own RUclips channel. I'm sure it'll be a big hit...
@@terrybarnett273 You need further CRM training to avoid an incident
Love the fact the ATC is well aware of how dreaded the "copy a number" call is and jumped back in with the "you're not in trouble!" call
One time when you do not mind getting a “number to call” from the tower.
Came here to say the same thing!
Yep
I like how the controller clarified he's not the one in trouble, lol...
@@Backroad_Junkie Good he put it in the radio traffic record.
One of my favorite moments was calling a tower on the ground to execute a weather contingency for a number of aircraft. I said “I have a number for you to call advise ready to copy” (unkey mic snicker snicker).
The way ATC’s tone of voice changes when he has to go on guard… serious business. In other news though, that tower controller is the coolest cat out there. Seems very much like a no harm no foul kind of guy, and also completely in control of protocol. The kind of guy I’d like to have a beer with off the clock
Even more importantly he's the kind of guy we like to have ON the clock! Yeah, I feel like we can really tell when someone is just completely on their game, fully aware of the situation, and absolutely competent.
You'd find that, when he's not on duty, he speaks even more slowly than when he's being the "cool cat," and when he's in get-things-done-quick mode, he's in overdrive. Trust me -- I'm a Piedmont area local. Damn, but I miss barbecue....
Bless his heart for thinking the violator is monitoring Guard. That pilot SHOULD be, but most bugsmasher pilots that I know aren't aware that they're supposed to be monitoring it if they have a secondary radio available.
I fly in and around GSO a lot and that controller is a really cool dude. Everyone likes him.
@@neilharrah7365 Next time you're anywhere near the Coliseum, pull into Stamey's and have a chopped barbecue sandwich, hushpuppies, coleslaw, and sweet tea, if you don't mind. Think of me as you savor those hot, fresh hushpuppies.
I didn't realize pilots submit their crazy encounters to you to share. that's awesome! love listening to these
The lesson here is to keep that outside scan going even while in controlled airspace. There are kamikaze drones, birds, and non-communicating pilots always out there. Way to be looking out 932.
Agree. Anytime in VMC, 91.113 (b) is the rule.
True story about drones, my glider port sits right next to a tiny mountain town of a few thousand - gorgeous little place... Annnddd sometimes the towns folk want to see the gliders - by flying their drones right into our flight path. Thankfully they tend to be covered in lights and vigilant piloting prevents any issue but its still totally uncalled for and dangerous!
However, if I had to choose between running into a drone vs a rogue high wing plane, I'll take my chances with the drone!
"...annnnnnnnd we've got a hot-air balloon doin' barrel-rolls @ 400knots."
- AirForceproud95
(sorry) 😆😂🤣
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT "doo Doo Doo doot.... Doo Doo Doo doot..."
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT The fact I actually get that reference makes me chuckle.
I remember a time during my private pilot training in which I went with a student pilot and instructor on a cross country for night flight. We took off from one runway, and out of nowhere a high performance jet (probably an L39) took off from the same runway in the opposing direction. That pilot never called out on the radio and probably assumed an uncontrolled field late afternoon means no planes either. After we took off and just barely missed the jet, the instructor called ATC about the jet. ATC responded that they could see the jet on radar but the pilot didn’t talk. Presumably to avoid getting into trouble. It was the closest to a mid air for me.
That is terrifying. Both for what happened to you and for the fact that it was so easy for the other pilot to evade responsibility for their recklessness. I know GA is dangerous but dang.
@@x--. They probably figured out who it was pretty quickly, or at least what plane -- it shouldn't be that hard to see who should be there but isn't. Running from a problem generally means a bigger problem when it catches up. Taking inventory of all aircraft on site is not a resource available in this latest incident though. I mean they could, but it wouldn't help any since the offending aircraft most likely isn't one of "theirs".
Yikes! I had a similar situation at the end of a night training flight years ago. Coming home, the tower was closed for the night but some Fedex jets were still arriving and departing. They and I were using all the proper non-towered procedures when someone in a private jet took off from a crossing runway without saying a word to anyone. Could have been a bad situation.
I understand that radios aren't required at an uncontrolled airport, but the FAA should change the regs to state that if you HAVE a radio, you MUST use it!
Had a seaplane fly 50 feet infront across my dash same alt obviously joy riding during private training. CfI was livid at that dude. Said it was "probably some drunk Doctor." He was using a training area as a short cut home, shit was nuts and i scan like a starved hawk now when over FL.this was in like 2006
@@mal2ksc I do wonder if the FAA would pull camera footage from surrounding fields to investigate this. It seems plausible this aircraft would have taken off or landed within an hour of the incident.
Not only no contact, but no squawk! Controller had him on PRIMARY radar and eyeballs! If they manage to find the guy, THIS is somebody I'd think should lose his ticket!
True. Violated multiple rules (no ads or squawk in class C, not talking)
This a-hole is lucky he's not on Probable Cause! There's absolutely no reason for this kind of thing! 🤬
@@eugeneweaver3199 AHAHAHA Give it some time Im sure Dan will post photos of his body.
It is hard to lose a certificate permanently. Suspension, yes, and probably a check ride after remediation lessons.
I wonder why the aircraft didn't pop up on radar until AFTER it crossed the extended centerline? Radar issue or maybe some sort of terrain obstruction?
The time "and I have a number to copy" is not because of THAT pilot deviation. This is a new experience to listen and watch here.
Towers don't always give numbers solely for pilot deviations. There is a decently large list of incidents that will cause a number to be given and a pilot being asked to contact an ATC facility.
@Bob John Agree 100%, the number to call is anything they don't want broadcast over the air to anyone listening. The tower and ops phones are likely recorded as well for FAA records.
I have heard police/fire dispatch do it, and we had special callsigns used when dispatching an ambulance to locations for events monitored by teams of amateur radio operators.
932 also sounds very competent. I was kind of impressed he remembered his taxi readback in among the other talk.
It was really nice to hear a professional pilot and two outstanding controllers putting safety first and working the problem. Even though it was a very dangerous situation I feel more confident about the safety of air travel when listening to these professionals at work.
Really impressed with the approach controller when he realised it was a different aircraft, and went in to serious mode. Excellent professionalism on both sides.
Sucked they never identified it ...?
Not yet, anyway!
He will most likely be caught, Simple fact as he will go into another controlled airspace from the direction they caught him going.
Then the next person will identify the plane and write a report.
The most probable explanation for what occurred was a lazy complacent pilot flying G airspace.
This airspace does not require a radio and him being that low would make sense.
He was not operating the radio either so he most likely would not have been on Guard frequency either.
@@zeWuzard not a pilot but are you saying it's legal to fly a plane without operating a radio?
That's insane. Or it sounds insane to someone who doesn't fly. Wow
@@arbitrage2141 Only in G airspace yes. G for gulf or basically "ground airspace" goes 0 to 700 and can change depending on where you are flying. Entirely up to the pilot if he wants a radio but, very very risky.
@@arbitrage2141 I know it sounds insane, but there are plenty of airstrips in the country where you can easily just take off and fly around like the old "barnstormer" days. Technically you don't need a radio. You still have to follow a set of procedures. You must follow visual flight rules, where you can see everything clearly. You have to stay out of large areas around controlled airfields, and below a certain altitude. And the pilot is solely responsible for checking the traffic pattern and runway before landing. I haven't done it, but I can see the appeal.
A few years ago, when holding short at a class D under a class B shelf I watched an obviously confused pilot violate the class D, circle over the runway and then perform a low approach on the opposite direction runway before departing for a nearby uncontrolled field. All the while tower was trying to get ahold of him on tower and guard frequencies. I'm 90% sure it was a student pilot who had gotten lost and went to the wrong airport, even though the class D and the uncontrolled field have vastly different terrain and runway configurations. I later found out he flew over the uncontrolled field a few times and didn't see the runway. We have so many tools at our disposal, it's amazing to me that people still get lost.
Small world. Tell me the place without actually telling me.
The real moron is the CFI that let him solo at that stage
@@Brokkolesz I hate instructors who could be that incompetent at this day and age.
@@Brokkolesz Agreed. How does he allow that student to do a cross country so close to Class B and D airspace? I was lucky, my CFIs always took me to foreign airports even for pattern work, etc. Yeah, we burned a little time and fuel enroute but i learned so much about landmarks, watching for traffic, reacting to emergencies, even cross country planning. I wonder if that CFI ever reviewed that flight with his student or if he followed him on Foreflight/FlightRadar and thought "OMG, I may have just endangered a bunch of people, including this student."
The violator definitely deserves to have his ppl pulled, or at the very least, "suspended until safety re-education takes place, and can demonstrate the ability to safely operate an aircraft in controlled airspace"... Used to fly into Greensboro a lot, nice place, always well treated at their main FBO, great off-site restaurants nearby, especially for an "admitted iced tea junkie"......
Is the iced tea thing a drug reference
@@behindthen0thing525 No, I was raised by an Irish-born grandmother, picture 'Mrs. Brown", without the swearing. She had me drinking tea by age 3.
@@AMStationEngineer never heard of it. Must be an Arkansas thing
You assume he even had a license to begin with
@@behindthen0thing525 Sweetened black iced tea is a staple in the South. They probably pour it on you when you arrive in Gboro.
The immediate thought is this is someone who really screwed up, and that's absolutely a possibility, but there is also a chance this could have been something else like an electrical failure. Thankfully everyone appears to be safe and hopefully they can track down the AC involved to figure out what went wrong. Good on 55932 for reporting so they could get some eyes out the window.
An inexperienced pilot with an electrical failure does fit, unless he comes forward we will probably never know..
@@Darryl_Frost lmao how so? If you have an electrical failure you don’t start flying randomly through Charlie airspace. 😂
Also if that was the case, they would have actually landed, which doesn’t seem to have happened.
Lack of transponder AND comms is super odd.
@@EstorilEm He did say _inexperienced_ pilot. They would hardly be the first pilot so task saturated aviating in an emergency that they failed to navigate, let alone communicate.
You dont just ignkre rules cause your comms are down
@@LtRiot Actually, that's literally exactly what you do. While I'm not saying that it's what happened here, if you lose your radio and transponder the AIM says to fly the traffic pattern and land with visual separation and to immediately let the controlling ATC facility know.
Props to the approach controller for making absolutely sure N483MP knew he was supposed to be on 5R after he called in late and somewhat flustered
i REALLY like that guy
It was probably the pilot from N315EX flying home in his personal Cessna.
he learned from his last experience that a. he's cleared into every air space at all times without talking to anyone and b. to keep is radio off hahahaha
I didn't get the joke can you explain?
The only time when, "I've got a number for you," doesn't ruin your day.
I've flown through GSO's airspace several times when I used to fly out of Smith Reynolds airport in Winston Salem. The GSO controllers back then were pretty much the same professional but usually fun to interact with no matter what you were flying. In fact one of them saved me and my flight instructor's life when we had them for flight following on a trip towards Martinsville. Another aircraft was traveling at the same altitude going the opposite direct (he was VFR and at the wrong altitude for his direction of travel). The controller told us to expited a hard climbing right hand turn. As we did I will never forget watching a twin engine prop pass just under us on the left hand side. That being said what this pilot did was clearly reckless especially when it's so easy to talk to them.
These air traffic controllers surely are of a different breed. How they keep up with all that stuff is a mystery to me. I consider myself to be highly organized and efficient, and there is evidence that I’m of at least ordinary intelligence - and I couldn’t do that job with a hundred years’ training.
I just started a new job working with controllers, dealing with training them. I've been a pilot for half of my life and having to learn all the ATC stuff and keep up with the constantly changing situations is very stressing. They all keep telling me that it takes time (2-5 years) to get comfortable and that you're always learning new things.
@@Arrow32172 • Good luck, sir! With your prior experience, you’ll be ahead of the game.
This is exactly why I always listen to Guard freq(121.5) just in case something like this happens. I guarantee that idiot who blew thru the airspace was never listening to guard, never heard ATCs call and was completely oblivious to the disaster he almost caused.
not a particularly insightful comment, I know, but I wanted to say thank you for making my Sunday by posting an aviation video that has my hometown accent all over it. :-)
Same! I flew as a student out of KBUY and KGS0. When the controller gave the incorrect area code are first, I immediately said "hey, that's not right!"😂
@@deeanna8448 oh my goodness! This is embarrassing...I'm actually a telephone engineer and I only caught the part where the number was corrected. :-D
I'm from southern WV, and accent? I don't hear any accent. That's normal speaking in my world..lol.
Fun fact about Greensboro Airport - They use it quite frequently for training of Air Force One pilots since the airspace is less crowded and the airport has runways over 10,000 ft.
They also use Lynchburg which is very busy with student traffic and only 7000 ft.
The also practice takeoff and landings with the president's plane. They do low approaches several times a year over my house.
@F. A. ,
Usually the transponders are on for routine training missions, at least they are from the DoD units that I have worked with. DoD CONUS towers don't like unidentifiable aircraft in their airspaces any more than civilian CONUS towers do.
They've also used KBKW (Beckley WV) and KMRB (Martinsburg WV). I understand they like MRB, it has an air national guard base, and would be a safer place to fly in if there was some sort of national emergency and issues with the DC metro area.
I think I know this person. Student, decided to quit training after this incident. (not 100% sure it was the same guy though).
He was dead reckoning from KMTV to KINT and got disoriented. Again, not sure if it was the same incident or not
*transponder off, throttle full, i wasn't here, flies off into the sun*
That’s so risky. Imagine if it was brickyard or another jet coming in. That would have been an absolute near mid air collision. Luckily, a large number of pilots watch Vasaviation and the pilot of the aircraft will be humiliated when he sees this.
I confess that hearing that Brickyard call made my hair stand up. Until then I had blithely assumed this was some tiny airport and the rogue plane didn't really matter that much.
@@kateorman Greensboro gets a decent amount of regional airline flights daily.
@@kateorman Why do you put down the efforts to find that arsehole. Mid airs are on the rise due careless pilots..
Why cant you have the decency to have the Guard frequency up on your secondary radio. I happen to know the FM band is illegal for those radios.
i like the new tower symbol that comes up when tower is talking. maybe do that for aircraft too to make it easier to see which aircraft is speaking?
Once a student pilot in a Cessna flew so low over the roof I was working on on our barn that I knew he was a student pilot, because I could see the instructor throw his clipboard and brace for impact before we all hit the deck. He took the top off one of our trees. That was a wild day.
Did they crash or stay airborne?
One time getting "a number" to call is actually a GOOD thing in the world of aviation.
2:50 typo - he says small prop, not prob.
Thanks, Karen. We were all so confused.
@@nickv4073 Dude, constructive criticizm is helpful, nothing else. Especially in aviation.
@@nickv4073 who's Karen, Brandon?
@@VASAviation You seem to regularly make typos in the subtitles. Theres a number of mistakes in this video alone. Sometimes entire words are incorrect. Do you need help? I'm sure a number of us would volunteer to proof-read your subs before you upload.
@@teelo12000 I know I'm years late, but did you ever get a response? I feel like these inaccuracies have remained as a consistent flaw for this channel.
We also had a unknown aircraft around Philly airspace near the Rwy 17 Approach. It was doing circles at around I believe 2000-2500ft. I was able to get a photo of it to see what it was and it was a Cessna 206. Idk why it's flying in circles over my neighborhood...
Check out the pinned comment from VASAviation, you might consider sending it in. Might make for another interesting story on the channel. Glad to know everyone made it through safe.
In your picture does it appear to have any sensors in the bottom or on the side? There are lots of planes doing LIDAR 3D surveying of the terrain all over the country although they usually fly in a down and back pattern like a tractor harvesting a field would. The US Marshals also operate 206s that carry "stingray" cell phone devices to capture cell phone calls or can mount a camera turret to search for fugitives. We actually had one rent hangar space from the FBO I worked at a long time ago.
I fly in circles over my neighborhood sometimes.
"55932, I have a number for you to call the tower"
55932: "Alright! My call the tower event is cause somebody else is in trouble!"
2:55 "small prob" should probably be "small prop". It's a big prob :D
I thought same thing
Noticed this guy has bad voice comprehension
@@Top_Weeb indeed, another error at 3:40 when tower ended with "help resolve this" transcribed as 'help us with all of this"
Flying from Coat Factory to Triad, it would've been very cool to hear AG or RH as controller... 👍😎
quick stop at the taco truck airport for lunch 😎😎😎
I was so hoping to hear them when I clicked on it. Lucky they didn't send that poor Virgin airplane around - might have hit the Cessna violator.
I clicked hoping to hear one them. Poor Virgin 11 he must be nearly out of gas by now,
Sure sounds like they could do with some Opposing Bases learning ;)
Tower, 55932, I’m too close for missiles, switching to guns
That's operating under VSFR: very special flight rules
Had something similar happen to me years ago at LVK. I had just joined a busy pattern for 25R the controller was pretty happy that he had gotten us all in order and had transmitted to me to follow the Cessna in front of me on a long downwind for 25R, inbound IFR traffic. While I was transmitting my acknowledgement, I had to ask them about the Bonanza that pop'ed up, about 150 feet in front of me. The controller was cool, he adjusted my clearance to follow the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. This was OK, until the Bonanza started to head across the airport at pattern altitude. That's when the controller told us all to scatter, as he had a lost comm situation he needed to handle. They finally got the Bonanza on the ground, and we were all able to get back in line to land. Just another day in having flying fun.
I got my PPL flying out of an uncontrolled field. We hardly ever talked to ATC, even though we were under the outer shelf of a Charlie. So many guys like me are uncomfortable talking to controllers, and good comms should be pushed harder during training. It wasn’t until I got my instrument out of a field that fell under the bravo that I really sharpened my comms chops. Really, there isn’t any excuse for not picking up VFR traffic advisories if you can get them. Violating airspace and crossing the approach path at approach altitudes is a big damn deal, and I hope that it’s dealt with accordingly.
I am lucky and fly out of KARR, a small class D. Talking on the radio was just something I did. I never realized some pilots only talk to ATC once during their training, the 3 patterns at an airport with active ATC. Even with that said, I get surprised, when flying to pilot controlled airports, that so many pilots do not talk on the radio. I cannot say anything bad about those pilots, they are not breaking any rules, but talking with each other makes flying safer for everyone. Another thing I always do is tune in 121.5 and the closest airport.
What blows my mind, is that flying into a towered airport’s airspace makes things easier, not harder. All you have to do is keep an eye out for traffic and the ATC will even point out where the traffic is instead of everyone tying up the radio with 16 position reports.
I started my training at Santa Monica under the LAX Class B, so you use the radio like crazy from day one. Now I fly out in the boonies where you talk to ATC when you get lonely. It's a good skill to learn!
@@jaywung7616 🤣😂
@@VictoryAviation It's easier as long as everyone is following the rules. Any VFR aircraft are supposed to call the tower when they want to enter controlled airspace, at which point the tower will either deny entry or initiate flight following procedures and issue that VFR aircraft a squawk code for the duration of that following. A VFR aircraft that doesn't call in and is running without transponder is barely visible on radar and poses a danger to all other aircraft in the vicinity.
Hey I live right next to Greensboro it’s great to finally see Greensboro make it on here lol
In fact this probably happened right over my house but I wasn’t outside to witness it
Stuff like this makes me think I am not cut out to become a pilot. Kudos to those of you who can handle it.
Its not that bad a thing just that you invaded the local safety area below 4000 feet around a "controlled" tower monitored airport. The point is that the airport controller needs a certain amount of real estate around the airport to safely control approaches and departures without being "molested" by an aircraft who does not check in and get permission to fly through before they invade said airspace. But yes, it is the equivulent of invading private property on the ground.
A slightly different version of "I have a number for you to call."
Yeah, the controller sounded like he was pissed in this one. I would be, too. Really great to hear both atc and aircraft working together though, it’s the one time where you don’t mind a phone number.
That pilot handled that well! 2-300 ft is NOTHING in terms of air space and extremely dangerous. Wonder who the stick jockey was in that aircraft! Yikes!
Lt. Pete Mitchell
The only time you get given a number to call from the tower and you arent in trouble lmao
There are several flight schools at and around GSO and INT which is close by. Surprised it doesn’t happen more often.
I can only assume the high wing was trying to fly under the outer shelf of the Class C which starts at 2100, and must've drifted into the inner circle. But given 5R is the landing runway, this indicates the wind was blowing away from the inner circle instead of towards. So the drift had to be pilot induced. There's also no uncontrolled airports on the 5R final approach side other than a private grass field to the south, so we can only assume this was a transition flight. 55349 didn't indicate the direction of flight of the violating aircraft..(northbound/ southbound). Which could have given a clue of possible destination. Being he did say "left", maybe the dude was flying north, of which there happens to be an uncontrolled airport named "Meadow Brook" in that direction and not far from the Class C. All this is just speculation, of course.
Atc said that he was northbound though
I had TWO issues like this TODAY flying with a student. I had a citabria join the downind 200' above me. Literally directly above me. Then, in the practice areas, I had another aircraft not on the practice area frequency or approach frequency get within a few hundred feet of me to the point that I had to make an evasive maneuver. Annoying as hell. Scary, too.
I don't know if any of you people watch LewDix Aviation, but he recently had a similar incident in a video. He was doing pattern work with a student at an uncontrolled airport when a cirrus came flying over the airport below pattern altitude to transition the airspace. Go check out that video
In the lewdix case, that was class E airspace with no control tower. The cirrus violated flight guidelines, but legally did not violate airspace. In this case, the Cessna violated airspace.
@@enthalpy the legal situation may be different, but the safety factor (or lack thereof) isn't
Had a cessna cross in front of me while on final in KSTL one night years ago, I was in a cherokee 6 .They kept calling out traffic but I could not see it until it crossed through my landing light, yes it was that close less then 300 feet. Not cool.
similar to the question 'if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound' - If you violate class C airspace, and nobody knows who you are and you don’t communicate, did you really violate the air space?
If you were in Charlie space and were not communicating with ATC, you were committing a grave and potentially catastrophic violation. You may not get caught, and it may be a situation where a student pilot got lost, but if ATC calls you on Guard, you RESPOND! Aviate first, of course, and navigate so you know where you are (which, in the circumstances, isn't where you belong) but then COMMUNICATE.
It's an interesting tactic. I hope this doesn't spread. Soon we'll have all incompetent pilots applying stealth coating to their planes...
You do great work, love your channel.....
It s a double violation then since ADS-B out is now mandatory for any aircraft!
I was on a helicopter sight-seeing ride in a Bell 206 Jetranger. We were on final just short of the threshold around maybe 200 feet when I casually glanced to my left and saw a low wing Beechcraft about two hundred feet away coming straight at us! It passed mere feet behind us about 1 second later. I said to the pilot, "That plane just missed us!" He said, "What plane?" Thats why I don't take sight-seeing rides any more. lol When I say it was close, I mean it was he was wearing a blue shirt and his wife had on a yellow dress close.
BA1 (BAW001) and VS3 (VIR3N) had a joint take off (same time, off each runway) at LHR bound for JFK with the relaxing of US covid related border controls to Europe. Both flights departed LHR at 0850 UTC.
Thanks Richard for sharing that
I've fallen down the rabbit hole of ATC radio transmission recordings recently, and this is the _only_ time so far that "I have a number for you to call" is not a reason to dye your shorts brown. Disregard the fact that 55932 already had brown shorts by the time any mention of phone numbers was made. 😅
TWR: I have a number for you
N32: I don' have anything to write
TWR: You are not in trouble
N32: I just found a piece of paper and a pen.
p.s. I am joking
Wow. My blood ran cold listening to this.
I hope they catch that SOB. Not only did he violate so many rules, but also seriously put others in danger.
Live In GSO and work as a Ramper at Rdu
When "I have a number for you to call" isn't "I have a number for you to call" 😂👍
Seems weird that they're bringing in remote id for drones and rc planes but apparently they don't have it for full size aircraft
actually they do, but some aircraft are exempt, which are very few.
Drones cannot be seen by ASR RADAR, nor a R/C Aircraft unless its a decent sized one. which makes them that much more dangerous to full size aircraft.
I read the title as "Unknown Aircraft Violates the Geneva Convention"
Some pilots are plain stupid.
I was watching a video where they were flying options at a uncontrolled airport, and some clown flew over the runway at a low altitude and wasn’t even on frequency.
Luckily they wasn’t on a runway heading.
Which is allowed since it’s Un controlled you bafoon
@@talkymocha9994 You still need to communicate with other pilots… 😂 Any decent pilot at any airport like that communicate with one another to avoid colliding and know each other’s intentions. You become ATC.
They wasn't, was they?
Lol plane stupid
I hope it was a student on solo, I would hope a "real" pilot is not that stupid. However if it was a student, the fact that their cfi signed off on them scares me. I am not a child but I would not want a student like that putting my ticket on the line.
So, Harrison Ford now flies east coast also?
🤣🤣
Probably somebody who thought he was flying a sim but accidentally got in a real plane instead.
Easy mistake. Have you seen how MSFS looks nowadays?
I love pti that’s one of my favorite small airports. There’s a lot of military planes that fly around that area daily I have a house around there.
2:50 He said prop, not prob. (I think that means propeller aircraft?)
Maybe someone clipped the edge of Class C airspace while flying cross country from A to B. Hopefully they didn’t mean to do it and realized what they did and took corrective action.
Not the edge... They clipped the final approach corridor by 250 ft!!!
they also flew with transponder turned off
Proper corrective action includes tuning in to local frequency, turning on your transponder, and working with ATC to rectify the situation in a hurry. Yes, corrective action sometimes means owning your mistakes and taking your medicine. There was NONE of that happening with this unknown plane.
Hi Vasa. Do you have any info on this crash i believe happened on the 5th nov. (last Friday)
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Do you think all that coke is just going to deliver itself?
Bingo
My thoughts too
haha that number to call was like when you got called to the principal but wernt in trouble in school
"Jet It 77, Greensboro TWR, wuzzaaaah??" 😅
Why are planes even allowed to switch off their transponders? Seems like that shouldn't even be possible, but what do I know lol.
Because pulling over by the side of the road if there's a problem is a bit more complex than with a car, especially electrical fires. Wiring and equipment have shorted in airplanes before and caused deadly crashes, see TWA 800. I'm not willing to fly any aircraft wherein I'm unable to kill all electrical devices if the need arises.
Or when it’s spazzing out and confusing everyone, I had that happen on a rental aircraft and approach has me turn off my transponder for a minute to try resetting it
Do you mean allowed or able? As GrayRabbit below posts, there can be many circumstances where something should be ABLE to be switched off, after which some kind of emergency procedures with ATC initiated.
If you fly formation and you will learn why you can turn off the transponder. ATC would get all sorts of traffic alerts becuase the planes in the formation are well within ATC safety margins. So, only the lead aircraft has the transponder on and the others turn them off.
Because in an emergency you have to be able to turn anything necessary off to save your neck and/or the plane. For example, a couple of years ago my plane’s alternator quit during a flight. Since it was day VFR in uncontrolled airspace I turned off the plane’s entire electrical system until approach to conserve battery power.
Question:
At 1:28 when he calls all aircraft, what frequency is he calling on? Is there a frequency all pilots are tuned to? Or is he doing some sort of multiple band transmit?
Probably 121.5 which is the civilian distress frequency. All controllers and most aircraft are listening to that frequency at all times, in addition to their assigned frequency.
@@Number_055 AKA "Guard" Frequency. the FAA, FCC, DOD, DHS, even some local Law Enforcement with aviation units monitor that frequency 24/7/365.
I know as a HEMS pilot myself, i ALWAYS keep my secondary radio on 121.5 as monitored so i can hear it, but not actively talk to it.
*Alarm sounds*
Tower had visual but no radar contact? And am I correct in the assumption the phantom plane was not squawking as well?
"Let me give you another number in case that one doesnt ring" wtf is that lol
My assumption: the controller gave the standard number and then someone in the room reminded him they’d been having phone problems and so he gave an alternate that may or may not be the supervisor’s cell phone
I don’t like at all when they have a student pilot on base to final turn and someone else on short final on parallel runway. Somehow that seems a bit dangerous if the student pilot overshoots the turn or thinks he/she is overshooting it and stalls/spins because of that.
If it is a primary target only, would acknowledge by IDENT even work ?
I wonder if the first number he started giving was his personal number. I almost gave out my number instead of the facility’s number one time.
I have been noticing more and more planes not on ADSB lately. First it was the local hospital's helicopter that was visible mabe 60% of the time. Now I've seen military mostly but some what appear to be civilian planes doing that.
It's not required to be using ADSB. Some people don't want the gov to be able to track them. You can fly in and out of uncontrolled fields without it all the time and be legal.
you can thank LADD and PIA for that.
ADSB Exchange is the place to go to see unfiltered data now, FR24 has to follow certain rules when it comes to privacy requests since its using FAA Data, not just open source ADSB data from users.
@@gringoloco8576 lol, the gov tracks them regardless..... just because we cant see them on ADSB or whatnot does not mean the elaborate RADAR network cannot see them.
Legend says the unknown aircraft is still breaching class C to this day
Knowing our luck it was that c172A that crashed in Atlanta....
It is luck that primary radar is still also in use on many airports. Imagine this happening at night and this aircraft has (probably intentionally) disabled transponder.
luck? no, not at all.
there were probably 5 RADAR's looking at him, but intermittent detection due to terrain.
I know for a fact there are two ASR RADAR sites within 80 miles of Greensboro that picked him up. then you have the JSS Long Range Sites that have 2-400 Mile Ranges of detection, and there are at least 2 of them nearby that would have picked him up.
@@CapStar362 But in these times there are many airports which don't have primary radar coverage, as primary radar has been phased of in many areas, and only military air defence stations have primary radars.
@@if860 not true in the slightest. the ENTIRE landmass of CONUS is RADAR covered. and that is down to 100 ft AGL for >90% of the landmass.
only certain sites where shut down because the necessary coverage was already there.
you dont need a ASR Site at every airport, in fact, many smaller regional airports do not have a ASR Site because ASR Coverage is already established. they have GATR Sites for ADSB 1090ES and TIS/FIS 987 UAT transceivers.
ASR RADARs like the ASR-9 and ASR-11 have a 60 Mile Range. the JSS/FAA ARSR-4 Long Range Sites have a 400 Mile Range, and all of the sites overlap each other with plentiful amounts that the FAA needs to be able to monitor all airfields. the original ARSR-4's had a range of about 215-230NM, but as newer electronics with tighter filters and detection algorithms came about, that range got well enhanced to around 380-400. ARSR-4's can detect aircraft only 323m apart and separate them as needed as returns.
I went back and checked the JSS Sites and ASR Sites to within Range of KGSO, i can guarantee you, at least 5 sites in total had to have detected this aircraft at some point within a 20 NM range of KGSO. that data is collaborated nationwide and used specifically for situations like this.
when tower said - "I just picked up a Primary" that was at least 1 site picking him up on Primary RADAR, and i can easily guestimate it was Raleigh-Durham's ASR and/or Charlotte's JSS ARSR-4 Site.
Thats pretty cool I saw this, PTI is where I do my training. Idk it was just kinda cool
Maybe it was an ultralight? That would explain no ads-b or response. Idk though.
Just how likely is it the violator didn't even notice 932? Or hear the coms from ATC....
Somebody went furtive under the radar!
Definition of no license plates or insurance
I drive the “95” everyday…..i need a number to call too for guys who keep cutting me off……i hope that guy pays for his dangerous flying.
When i read the title my first thought was pipeline patrol while laughing to myself. Probably wasn't him though cuz he is kind of obvious with giant pipeline patrol written on the bottom of the wings.
Does this mean that the pilot did not turn his transponder on?
How and where can you list to archives ?
License action for this violator? Who said he has a license?
Not identified and didn't appear on radar = Ghost plane!
I’m gonna try calling all 10k possibilities of that number that you censored until I get it right. Lol
Has any pilot ever reported a unidentified flying object after or a Uso unidentified submerged object or do they just report each other and ruined their own careers even if it's a mistake, I know it's wrong and dangerous up there but do they always do that
You just heard a report of an unidentified flying object on this very video. If by UFO you mean an alien spacecraft, they don't exist on Earth.
Thats me in flight simulator not really knowing anything about airspaces 😆
Tower needs to shop the clearance sales and stock up on their surfact to air missiles