How Remembrance of the Daleks was Fixed in the Edit
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In this episode we bring you a wealth of unseen footage from Remembrance of the Daleks which reveals the troubled tale of how they struggled to end the Dalek civil war using the footage that had been shot.
The Special Weapons Dalek caused some unexpected problems!
my brother was in the Met Police when the shot of the gates exploding was being filmed. the explosion was so loud it was thought to be an IRA bomb and my brother and colleagues were sent to the scene only to be confronted by Daleks and not terrorists.
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I found this clipping which I think is from TV Zone magazine from the time. They would have seen the Special Weapons Dalek before we did! twitter.com/graemeallan/status/1189538089980649473
The Daleks would probably be offended that they were not regarded as terrorists
I went to a convention for the 50th anniversary and Sylvester McCoy told this story
@gary jones It's not a crazy story.
This is the kind of thing that should be on the DVD's.
Thank you! 😁
I feel the same way every time I watch a new vid, this is amazing attention to detail! Like crack for me!
Maybe if they re-release it on Blu-Ray who knows food for thought.
A C Exactly, imo there are not enough real fans involved in the show or the blu ray releases atm, with long lived shows like this the more fans are involved in the production, the more fans stick by the end product, I think.
Lumibear you hit the nail on the head! Fans care about their franchises, studios care about the $$. That’s why so many franchises are being destroyed now, there’s no love for them by the people who own them.
I can see why they made the change. If you have the Special Weapons Dalek, you make the most of it.
You don’t just stick it in the background for a cameo appearance [grumble, grumble].
I see what you said here! 😉
I wonder what this refers to... 🤷♂️ *cough* Asylum... 😉
(Cough cough) asylum is awful (cough cough) ruins dalek continuity (cough cough)
To this day I still have no idea why asylum wasn’t a cyberman story. It makes so much more sense for them to have an asylum of crazy cybermen as that’s actually a way for them to be defeated multiple times in the show and it would’ve just been cooler
Matthew Duncan imagine the body horror of seeing heavily damaged Cybermen with what’s under the armor being shown. Or like a real horror moment where a Mondas cyberman gets the cloth ripped off by a companion and you see either a skull or the skin stretched over a metal skull. Now that episode would be great horror.
As fun as Daleks are, filming with these Dalek props must've been a nightmare
They were on large spherical plastic wheelbarrow wheels instead of the castors. It made them all wobble around and looked terrible.
One of the French teachers where I went to high school was an ex-policeman who supervised part of the Remembrance shoot.
He has a distinct memory of watching three daleks coming down a ramp (possibly leaving the shuttle) and the third one came down so quickly it fell over forwards.
Funny to watch, but probably not fun for the operator.
I remember at the 50th Anniversary Convention, Sylvester McCoy told a story about the massive explosion from the Special Weapons Dalek. When the gate exploded, it triggered a lot of alarms across the area (Which I believe can be heard in the behind the scenes footage), to which people contacted the police because of the disturbance. So then, a policeman (I think it was a policeman) arrived to the scene, and all he saw were Daleks emerging from a yard of debris.
It's so hilarious, because it's not everyday a policeman is informed of an explosion occurring and when cropping up to the scene of the crime finds a group of Daleks slowly revealing themselves. I can only imagine how the police officer reacted or even looked like at that moment. XD
I can just imagine the officer having a “wait, what?!” moment when they saw the Daleks 😂
That's like my favorite moment that's like the funniest part at the last moment
Roight wots all this then
Yo that guys brother commented on this and told the story from the real end
@@SubParMechanic my brother was one of the police quick response team called out to the explosion as i stated a year ago on this film. i remember it was in the news papers the following day or two with photos of the Daleks.
the special weapon Dalek was covered with a tarp in the photos.
6:24 = Michael Caine: "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
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@@Dalek6388😂😂😂
I was on the studio floor during rehearsals for episode 2 or 3… I can’t recall which it was now. The school corridor set was raised quite high off the ground, as I remember it, and we sneaked a peek under a black cloth to see what was underneath. It turned out to be the Dalek chair for the little girl.
JNT has us booted out and in retrospect it was a surprise that we got in at all. We simply signed in at the main reception at TV Centre and walked into the studio. I shan’t name my co-conspirator but we got lucky that day for sure.
Not sure that could happen now! 😂
@@Dalek6388 I bet it couldn't... however, I had a spy on the inside at the time, which helped.
I saw Planet of Spiders in production - I visited the special effects team and saw the spiders being made. I was also on the studio floor for part one the Zygons. Both were official invitations.
I've been very lucky!
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@@GrumpyOldGit60 lucky sod!
@@fobstaa I am indeed...
Really fantastic Red/Blue Dalek designs! Always wondered how that would have turned out. But I am happy they went for the Ivory/Grey design, it helps the story fit in with the continuity of Revelation. Also the original Daleks had been grey for so long that them maintaining that colour help sell them as being the ‘pure’ ones in this story!
I agree, I think the correct decision was made!
Although it remains a mystery how or why they turn to grey and black and white and gold on screen.
@@Dalek6388 I had a light blue small dalek (now sold) from a ceral premium giveaway , probably from the 60s but might have been 70s (still have the Lyons Maid story cards filed somewhere)
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The state of those Imperials after the gate was blown apart... wow!
Yep! Amazing isn't it. The force must have been incredible.
If memory serves it set off car alarms for miles around
The explosive tech overdid it deliberately to make sure it looked good on screen! Apparently the police turned up to be confronted with Daleks emerging from the smoke! 😉
The Director was an idiot. I mean no way was that take usable. The VFX guys were totally justified.
richard mattocks if there’s was a couple seconds seen of that footage people would have seen the Imperials looking wrecked and be like, “that doesn’t look good at all.”
This deserves to be on the Season 25 Blu-Ray, it’s that good. Seeing all the raw footage is truly breathtaking.
Thank you!
Dalek 63•88 no. Thank you.
they should also make a extended version and remaster the silver nemesis extended version
The problem is, the daleks don't do that droopy eyestalk that previous ones did, so as you say their dead daleks don't look dead.
Yes, it they were going to show those Daleks they should have at least had some smoke comng from the neck section to suggest they were dead.
Droopy-eyestalk Dalek deaths are nifty!
@@Dalek6388 Or even just painting big obvious black marks where they were hit, and where the smoke escaping the nack discoloured the casing would work.
@@Dalek6388 We could say they were put into permanent statis, with the possibility in time of awakening after a re-program by the victorious daleks using the hand of Omega , but then they could realise that captured dalek technology on earth was not a good thing to have so the warrior dalek was sent back with two white guards to see off the army and the warrior obliterate the remaining ones.
Once again this is the reason why I pledge my money to you two, these videos are just fantastic to watch and gives me insight into things I never knew before. Keep it up!!
Thank you! We really appreciate your support! 😃
I would do the same if I had a job
The use of soft tyres for the Daleks was part of the problem. I remember being told by one of the crew at the time that it made any movement look like the most destructive force in the universe was set in jelly!
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@@danielemberson5321 Daniel emberson?
@Bobo Daniel Emberson!!!
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This should be an actual documentary on bbc 1
Thank you guys! Thats appeciated!
You all deserve infinite rice pudding etc etc for this
Luckily I love rice pudding so I will be very happy with that! :)
@@Dalek6388 Ambrosia Cream rice 🍚
I wish they'd been able to use the scene of the gates being blown apart to reveal the Daleks behind it in the smoke. It looked a great shot.
maybe they should have reduced the power of the explosion
Wow! I have seen Remembrance so many times, enough to know the dialogue word-for-word and I never noticed / realised that the final scene with the Doctor and the Supreme took place outside the Ratcliffe's yard. This makes that last scene make so much more sense. I always thought it weird for the Supreme to be wandering the streets.
Strangley, I always thought it was at the yard but Gav didn't. That highlights how confusing it was! 😂
Yes I always thought it was wondering a street just down the road, hence why they appear to be in the van to track it down. However again, just my impression from the missing shots not being used.
I was the same way! Remembrance was my favorite story for years and years. I'm amazed I didn't wear out my VHS copy from over viewing, but I never realized where that scene took place until now!
@@Centurian128 Yes it just shows how important filming and editing is it viewing experience and understanding. You should not have to have in depth knowledge of a program to keep up.
The Daleks wobbling in this story is very off putting.
Check out the Daleks in "Destiny of the Daleks", if you think they look wobbly here, the ones in "Destiny" look almost inflatable 🤔😂
I think it was wheelbarrow wheels fitted to them to allow them to traverse uneven ground that made them wobble. And In "Destiny" they got around the problem by having vacuum-formed half-Daleks carried along in the distance 😅
It’s such a shame. So much about this story is absolutely brilliant. Having the Daleks not looking their best is one of the few marks against it.
The Dalek civil war didn't help Dalek quality control.
@@GaryTheGardener71 Destiny has way less wobbling even though its cheaper overall
Some people say that some of the classic series was rushed in order to complete episodes in time, but this shows the attention to detail that was put in by the crew to really make it as realistic and continuity as error free as possible!! Great work!!!
Weebles wobble but they won't fall down. It was great to see this footage and the struggle the daleks had over rough ground, I'm going to have to get my dvds out and watch this episode again. Thank you once again for a great episode.
Thank you Nicole!
How nice to still see fresh material on something from over 30 years ago well done guys 👍👍
The only criticism I can toss towards Rememberance is the Dalek Wobbling. I know it's not something that could really have fixed, but MAN I always fear those operators are gonna topple over in the casings!
Ooh, that's really cool. I am glad they made all those sacrifices to give the SW Dalek more destructive potential, as it made it far more memorial.
What a brilliant video! Always loved the Renegade Supreme, so it's almost sad to know that we never got to see a fight scene with him in it, but Remembrance is such a masterpiece anyway so it's no big loss, haha!
Thank you!
@@Dalek6388 You're ever so welcome!
Wait...so Doctor Who created Red Vs Blue at least a decade earlier?
2003-1988=15, so 15 years earlier...
According to a very old Dalek annual (Book) Daleks are supposed to be colour blind to red. The cartoon in the book showed one ramming a post box because it was invisible to the eye-stalk! The red ones must be special weapons stealth division!
Now I want to see someone recreate the first season but replace the characters with daleks
Wow I was totally absorbed in that from the first minute to the last -good job, awesome to see new information about the old stories.
Thank you!
FANTASTIC stuff as always! And huge kudos to whoever provided you with the music - very evocative of Keff McCulloch's score for Remembrance.
Thank you! The music is done by the brilliant Graeme Allen. You can check out more here: ruclips.net/video/18FJe8J3wCM/видео.html
I've always loved Remembrance! The battle sequences, the Daleks in full glory and the writing and casting is just superb!
6:36 am I the only one who feels a sense of uncannyness when seeing people so unfazed by being around a dalek
This is quite literally the best sort of Who-related content possible. 10/10, gold stars all round. Thoroughly enjoyed this!
Thank you! Thats realy appreciated!
1:36 Remembrance is one of the stories I’ve watched the most, I can practically recite it from memory. Seeing footage from it that I’ve never seen before is genuinely disorienting. I can only describe the sensation like if you glanced in a mirror and it didn’t completely match what it’s reflecting.
This superb footage emphasises once again why the proceeding story (The Happiness Patrol) looked so rough and cheap by comparison - they'd blown a chunk of the Season's budget on Remembrance' instead!
Money well spent I say though I believe the director was essentially _blacklisted_ from working on 'Who again due to his 'fiscal irresponsibility'....
Fantastic and fascinating to see such a new insight into a story I know so well - thank you!
Thank you!
I’m always a fan of behind the scenes documentary, Sometimes out on location, and interviews with actors producers script editors directors, All that good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed!
I vaguely recall coming to London from Woking, leaving Waterloo Station and passing an alleyway or narrow road and seeing a dalek or two. I might’ve been on a bus come to think about it. It was definitely this story they were filming.
Love that fellow actor respect carrying that prop back for the little girl.
as a massive fan of remembrance and Daleks in general, I think ive watched this now about 10 times, so Im so looking forward to seeing more content of 80s Daleks as they are my fav especially the imps and when this was first released or when I got the little sneak peek from the previous ep my jaw dropped when I saw the SWD come out of the shuttle and was so giddy for waiting about a week for it, didn't disappoint me at all, if there was a way to support you guys in anyway other than subscribing I would as I just love Dalek content in general about design or the props history itself, you truly disserve to be recognised for this
Thank you :)
Thanks Cameron, we really appreciate that! We do have a Patreon page and soon a Ko-Fi page of you wanted to support us that way. Or even just liking and sharing our content would be appreciated too!
The wobble effect was supposed to make the Daleks appear to be hovering, but really, it just made them all look like they had a broken wheel.
Remembrance of the Daleks remains my favourite all time Dalek Story, with Sylvester McCoy giving the kind of performance that other, later Doctor's could only dream of. Also, Davros' Dalek was the closest we have ever had to the Golden Emperor of the Dalek Chronicles
Wow just wow. Remember seeing this on its original transmission and has always been a favourite. This new info was awesome. Thanks so much for your efforts!
Thank you Alex!
This sorted something that got under my skin the first time i watched remembrance,thank you for that and again another top video !..thanks.
Thank you!
It is kind of nice some people want to spend time to help clarifying things like this.
This is one of my favourite episodes of Doctor Who just because of how much yet how little sense it makes.
I never knew about any of the troubles regarding Remembrance of the Daleks, so its always nice to learn something about my favorite Doctor Who story.
I've always adored the Imperial color scheme; I think it may be because they were the first Daleks I remember seeing as a child. But seeing that one in the door at the start as the lights start flashing... man, what a gorgeous design.
I was literally thinking the same thing moments ago!
Brilliantly presented. What a story within a story.
Wow! I did not think I could appreciate Remembrance of the Daleks more! This is an editing triumph.
Thanks!
The only shot I would have liked to have been kept (although I understand it would be illogical) is that of the excellent and creepy Jasmine Breaks hop-skipping past the dead daleks. Chills!
The Dalek operators delivered their lines in character, knowing they would be dubbed in later. Very cool!
Another well written and designed video Gavin. So good to see work of this quality. 👍
Like,Like,Like, My Favourite dr Who story, and there was more to it that we all thought!!!
Interesting video. Remembrance Of The Daleks was one of the first series by the BBC to be produced in stereo and broadcast in NICAM Stereo, but in London & the South-East region only from the Crystal Palace transmitter. Obviously, you'd had to have had NICAM decoding equipment to receive it in digital stereo, which not many people had in 1988.
very cool, I miss the renegade/imperial conflict, I found it awesome there were two factions like that.
Red and Blue Daleks!! What a great colour scheme. And another great video.
Thank you!
Loved seeing this behind the scenes footage. Great. One of my favourite stories. At the time it was exciting to see the Daleks on location on video because in those days that look was associated with live TV and news rather than drama.
Absolutely interesting hope this footage makes its way on blu ray as a bonus feature.
Thank you!
I’m a Doctor Who and Video edit geek so I love this insight to the making Of one of my favourite stories.
Awesome content. Got shivers seeing new Remembrance footage. First story I saw and still towers above the rest. Bravo ! This should be on the bluray.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it Leon! 😀
New video packed with hi-level Dalek geekery! bliss!
You guys are just epic in your research and production 😁😁👍👍
Thank you Richard!
Another astonishing piece of work. Seriously. One of my favourite stories and now a totally new perspective! And I feel for those poor operators wobbling drunkenly on the cobbles! 💪🏻
Thank you Roger!
That was a great retrospective. It was fantastic seeing some of the unused footage from this story! One of my all time favorite Dalek stories.
We are pleased you enjoyed it!
I love your videos. It's interesting to see how it all came together.
Thank you! Thats appreciated!
Man, I wish there was a Dalek Story detailing wars like this.
I always had this one idea/dream where we could have a game detailing the Dalek Wars.
It'd be neat to see a Doctor Who game in general that's used as a first/third person shooter.
Would love something like DOOM but in the DW Universe. Imagine having a selection of companions to play as while running through gunning down daleks. Sure it ruins their indestructible look a bit but it’s just a bit of fun
@@matthewduncan8523 Thanks dude! And yeah, it would be fun. Doesn't even have to be a game. It could be a spinoff show where it centers on a group of soldiers fighting Daleks, Cybermen, and other threats while at the same time debunking the stigma that Soldiers are evil in the DW universe.
Excellent work, as per usual. Made my day to see this pop up in my feed, since I knew I was in for a treat!
Thank you thats very kind of you to say!
i find all the artifacts left behind from reconstructive editing to be really interesting, all the things they had to bodge. i love the reused explosion detail
2:20 - I suspect it wouldn't have surprised anyone if the Special Weapons Dalek was just the type to run over other Daleks if they were in its way at all.
"APOLOGIES FOR IMPEDING YOU, SPECIAL WEAPONS DALEK."
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Cracking video, as usual. Each of these documentaries have been superlative. :)
Thank you! 😁
I'm not really a fan of Dr Who or the Daleks but these videos are absolutely joyful viewing, magnificently interesting.
Thank you! That is really appreciated! Now if we could convert you to be a fan then that would be a job well done! 😁😉
Fascinating! Thanks for posting this brilliant behind the scenes footage.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Remembrance is one of my absolute favourites and this video blew my mind 10 times more than any special weapons Dalek ever could! Great stuff, and worthy of being a special feature on a future release! Also, what's the music you used in the background? It's not the score composed by Mark Ayres by any chance is it? Is there any way to listen to it separately?
Thank you for those kind comments. The music is done by the amazing Graeme Allen for us. More here: ruclips.net/video/18FJe8J3wCM/видео.html
It's composed for us specially by Graeme Allen and he has posted some of his clean tracks on his channel: ruclips.net/video/18FJe8J3wCM/видео.html
@@Dalek6388 Fantastic, thank you so much! And thanks again for this great series of videos!
Ooft, compared to the great Mark Ayres, I'll take that compliment, thank you very much! I see Jon and Gav have provided you with links, hope you enjoy.
@@brassbandit Haha my pleasure! I genuinely thought it might have been taken from Mark Ayres' audition score for that he sent to JNT for episode 1. And thanks for uploading! Is there any chance of the other musical parts from this video being uploaded too? Your other pieces were also great, and complements these great videos fantastically well.
6:30 Poor dalek second from left has had its bumps blown off :(
Literally my favorite daleks! My favorite 80s doctor, my favorite companion! My favorite story!
At 6:46 "Very stupid c----s!".
Some very un-BBC language there!
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Mary whitehouse starts frothing at the mouth
It's "buggers."
Crimson Dynamo: It's not like as if it's part of the actual episode, if it was, she'd have reason to.
Possible extended version with cert 18
From what episode is the music?? It's so lovely!
Its done for us by Graeme Allen. Check it out here... ruclips.net/video/18FJe8J3wCM/видео.html
love this story, especially davros' new design and the special weapons dalek
Fascinating. One of the best videos you have posted.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the work as usual, if you cover this story more I actually have a few facts that I got when I met terry Molloy, such as he disliked this production, IE he said he should have voiced the battle computer to throw people off, and that he was brought in for only one day of work, and that he was nearly replaced because they were uncertain as to weather even bringing him back for such small work would be a good idea
Interesting! Certainly (as far as I understand) Davros wasn't in the script originally but was suggested at a later date
Dalek 63•88 from when I talked to him (it was like a half an hour interview, cause I was early to the con) he didn’t seem to indicate that Davros was a late inclusion he was under the impression that every Dalek Story was to feature Davros and when he did receive the script he was upset and disappointed by his minor role when he said even through voice work it would have enhanced the story because Episode 3 you see his credit on one thing and then the anagram credit on the Dalek emperor it would have been a great misdirection and he said he put forward his services to play Davros again in 2008 but they turned him down from what I can tell quite harshly as they wanted a new direction
@@that-british-whovian personally he played the best Davros. I can't believe how stupid the BBC can be. Us fans would have loved it. Julian Bleach didn't really do it for me.
Daniel Pullella he feels the same cause Davros is a unique singular character when big finish wish to use him they have to clear it with the BBC so as there's no conflict of canon, and that's why Molloy hasn't played the role in a while because whenever Davros appears on screen Big Finish can't use him for a set time, Molloy who yes is the best Davros for his scope and range, feels upset by this because he loved playing the role, but he feels that whenever he might get a chance to reprise the role he gets done over by the BBC using the character, also he strangely remembered playing Russel but couldn't remember which story that was funny cause he and Colin baker were laughing at that when I met both of them
Another brilliant episode. I find this more compelling than anything I'm watching on TV or Netflix at the moment!
Glad you enjoyed!
This is seriously the best stuff on RUclips.
Wow thank you! Thats appreciated!
Joined best with the music in this video, suites it so well, your team should send this video to the BBC and see if you can get to work on DVD extras for the show.
impressive explanation. i think they made the right descion to change the scene because although the swd is an amazing dalek introduction it seems a bit difficult for them to use them in the right time fame.
I live for more of any Sylv story, so this was a blessing! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
Ok guys, these behind the scenes outtakes and footage are a rare treasure to see that thankfully someone took or kept. We are truly lucky to have them now. If u had the chance to be on set at the time what would you do to capture these treasured moments without being thrown off set? Watching Adam savages one day builds shows he's like to have a more detailed history of where components for props where sourced. Ideas on a postcard to...
These are great videos! And a long overdue thanks for your help over on PDF (to do with exhibition/goon props in a warehouse IIRC)
Thank you and no problem!
I love Remembrance, really an excellent video! In fact all of your videos are excellent.
Thank you!
Another amazing episode! If Terry Nation was alive today he'd be proud of what you guys do! Well done.
Either that or he’d be sending us an invoice! 🤣
Excellent documentary! Thank you
I love this lovely Dalek video. A brilliant mini documentary.
Thank you!
Perfect way to cap off my 21st birthday by watching this :)
Oh wow thank you! Hope you had a really great day!
@@Dalek6388 Thank you, I'm probably the only person to be excited to go to B&M on their birthday, in order to get some doctor who figure sets
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Remembrance of the Daleks is one of my favourite series.
That was really interesting, the only thing I think it's a shame we lost through these changes was the clarity of where the destruction of the black and silver dalek took place, the fact that it's right outside the warehouse adds a little extra to that scene rather than it just looking like he's chilling in some random street. And weirdly I was sure we had seen the SWD coming out of the ship, I guess that's just my memory adding details in that weren't really there.
The Mandela effect at work, haha. I always knew where it took place but there still seems to have been a lot happen story wise between the supreme hiding and then emerging again. Dude must’ve been trembling in that store room on his own for hours!
Brilliant work. I can't get over how wobbly all the Daleks looked compared to the CGI creations of today. I nearly laughed my head off in the scene where the black dalek nearly wobbled its head off!
I'm glad they made my boi Special Weapons literly destroy other sales instead of just plainly killing them. Interesting video by the way, just like always! 😀
RUclips's algo works in mysterious ways. But this is awesome.
Long ago it seems I’d be impatiently waiting for a DWM to arrive each month so I could savour Andrew Pixleys archive feature, the best thing about the mag in those days. For me these videos are the visual equivalent, with excitement and anticipation to match. Can’t wait to see what curios pop up in the future.
Thank you! 😀
Bloody brilliant video as ever guys!!!
Thank you Matt!
Fantastically researched and very interesting! 👍
Thank you 😊
I really hope we get to see all of this footage on the Season 25 Collection Set.
4:12 those blue Daleks may genuinely be my favourite Dalek design I’ve ever seen
10:52 I love this shot with the two 60's props in the background. I think one was a movie skirt with one of the original 'Dead Planet' TV shoulders and the other a goon with movie shoulders. I can't believe I got the chance to walk inside one of the first Dalek props ever at Dapol and I can't believe they cut his back off! luckily he's been reunited with his back though, haha!
Now that is some great piece of information.
Thank you!
Dalek 63•88 No problem.
Fascinating as ever!