No Sigma Full-Frame RF Lenses Until 2026?!

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @stew_redman
    @stew_redman 5 месяцев назад +17

    3rd-party full-frame RF lenses will be the deciding factor for me in deciding whether or not to stick with Canon going forward, including buying an R5 MkII

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +1

      I would expect some sort of announcement in the second half of 2025. It could be earlier if sales exceed expectations.

    • @evertvdb000
      @evertvdb000 5 месяцев назад

      me too!

    • @gourami7
      @gourami7 5 месяцев назад +1

      You best choose another marque, don't hol your breath waiting or use the EF-RF adaptor, plenty of quality EF glass around secondhand

    • @jamesburne3893
      @jamesburne3893 5 месяцев назад

      Why not buy the real ones?

    • @FilipDePreter
      @FilipDePreter 5 месяцев назад

      So Sony or Nikon it will be.

  • @jordanshipley448
    @jordanshipley448 5 месяцев назад +28

    They know their lenses would sell like hot cakes in RF mount, and if they simply wanted to wait and see then there’s no reason they couldn’t just say so.
    I would bet my lunch that they are simply not permitted by Canon to make full frame lenses yet, and they don’t want to say anything to rock the boat.

    • @chriscrowell6678
      @chriscrowell6678 5 месяцев назад +1

      agree 💯

    • @urosjovanovic3142
      @urosjovanovic3142 5 месяцев назад +1

      Fully agree

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +2

      Its possible. They might just be approved for RF lenses. But trying to get anything concrete out of Canon or Sigma on this might be next to impossible until they finally make an announcement. Statements over the last several years have been useless in understanding their direction.

    • @billmartin1010
      @billmartin1010 5 месяцев назад

      I'm going to disagree. We know that Canon is applying the "cripple hammer" to restrict certain Z-lens features from current camera bodies. Maybe Sigma just doesn't want to play that game. Maybe Sigma is waiting to introduce their lenses when Canon sells bodies that can use all their features.

    • @natureredux1957
      @natureredux1957 5 месяцев назад +1

      The EASY answer is to just repeat what everyone else is saying. With all the Delays of certain Lens regardless of Brand, why can't it be production and or Technical issues. Canon's Camera bodies have been delayed. Other Brands Camera Bodies have been delayed. So why not LENS. So often time the EASY answer isn't the correct one.

  • @bamhamer
    @bamhamer 5 месяцев назад +5

    I'm so sick and tired of canons bs.
    If they at least would have a complete lineup of RF L lenses!
    But no! Don't allow third party manufacturers to sell them and don't sell them themselves

    • @alansach8437
      @alansach8437 5 месяцев назад

      That's the bigger issue I think. Not everyone looking to buy third party are looking to save a buck. They are looking for the variety that Canon is not (as of yet) offering. Is that the fault of Canon, or are they just reacting to raw material supply issues? New products from all the manufacturers are glacially slow getting into stores. A friend bought a new Nikon (Z-whatever) and it took him over a year to get it delivered. I am still waiting on my 200-800 that I ordered in December. It's possible that Canon just doesn't want everyone filling their RF lens arsenals with third party before they can get a reasonably complete line of their own into stores.

  • @Jim_Mundy
    @Jim_Mundy 5 месяцев назад +2

    After shooting Canon from the late 70s, the availability of third-party lenses for the Canon mirrorless was a significant factor in my decision to make the switch to the Sony platform. Great information Simon!

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching Jim. Sony's purchase of Minolta was a smart strategic move.

  • @Vaquero_interestelar
    @Vaquero_interestelar 5 месяцев назад +4

    This smells to me like Canon is once again intervening to ensure that Sigma and Tamron do not manufacture lenses that cannibalize their own optics. Canon being Canon.

  • @bamhamer
    @bamhamer 5 месяцев назад +4

    If the α9 III would have 50+ megapickles I would have abandoned canon already and would never look back

    • @billmartin1010
      @billmartin1010 5 месяцев назад +1

      There's the a1 and the a7Rv for that.

    • @bamhamer
      @bamhamer 5 месяцев назад

      @@billmartin1010 oh i completely missed that the a1 and a7rv are identical to the a9III 😮

  • @chriscrowell6678
    @chriscrowell6678 5 месяцев назад +4

    Yeah.. I will be passing on the R5II at launch and will wait to see what happens down the road , I was considering dumping all my sony gear after I purchased my R5 but after some thought i decided to hang on to it, even happier now that i did....

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад

      If you own multiple systems, it's always good to keep it. You never get the full value out of it selling. I've yet gotten to the point where I can justify owning another platform ;)

  • @ytr8989
    @ytr8989 5 месяцев назад +1

    There’s still a place for 24 MP. A lot of people want more, and they have those types of cameras too. It’s always nice to have options.

    • @billmartin1010
      @billmartin1010 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yep. 9 of 10 Canon full frame bodies have 24MP. 1 has more. That's options!

    • @alansach8437
      @alansach8437 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@billmartin1010To be fair, each of those cameras has different features. Canon execs aren't stupid. I'm sure they have done their research. They are certainly privy to a lot of marketing information that we don't have. They haven't been the industry leader for over twenty years by forcing products onto their customers that they don't want. Likely, the majority of customers are not photographing small birds, they are taking pictures of their kids, family vacations etc.

    • @christophercarlimages9003
      @christophercarlimages9003 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@billmartin1010and probably some more 24mpx cameras in the pipeline. Canon apologists just keep parroting "what you need is the R5...". There's your options 🤣

  • @rumrill5020
    @rumrill5020 5 месяцев назад

    It will be interesting to see if there are FPS limitations on Canon third party RF lenses. While third-party full-frame RF lenses would be nice, if Canon releases 50mm and 85mm f1.4 lenses similar to the 35mm in the next year or so the mount would be complete for my purposes.

  • @martinhommel9967
    @martinhommel9967 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for your thoughts. I am wondering if Canon will ever allow Sigma or anyone else to make RF lenses. I would like to see an 18 - 400 mm super zoom lens from Sigma or Tamron

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +1

      We are never privy to the details, but if I was Canon, I'd put in place some restrictions. When it comes to lenses like the 100-300 at $9500, I don't see too many companies taking the risk of going after the limited but lucrative market. But an 18-400, that would be an interesting lens for sure. I would not mind a telephoto being a little wider. I've taken to using the 100-500 as a general purpose lens on occasion. The results are great, but can be a challenge at times. ;)

    • @jimbruton9482
      @jimbruton9482 5 месяцев назад

      @@OrdinaryFilmmaker If I'm not mistaken, Canon has published a patent on a full frame RF 30-300 mm L lens. When and if they make it is the one I want.

  • @alandyer910
    @alandyer910 5 месяцев назад +1

    The same situation applies to Nikon. Everyone complains about Canon shutting out Sigma full frame lenses but no one seems concerned that Sigma full frame lenses aren’t available for Nikon Z. Just three APS lenses. Perhaps that’s because Nikon has more primes or other third party lenses such as from Viltrox are available for Nikon Z mount. So why is Sigma staying away from both Canon and Nikon? Maybe it is Sigma’s decision. It would seem an odd one. Or both Canon and Nikon are shutting them out.

  • @CrawPhotography
    @CrawPhotography 5 месяцев назад

    I am honestly excited for the Nikon Z6 III, and It looks like they are going to be pulling out all the stops... it could be that they really do start to takeover if they do come out with leading class specs, at a better price then the competition, especially if the z6 iii, comes out with all of the new autofocus features of the z8/z9, it could really send nikon into the forefront. As for sigma, I mirror other peoples comments, I think there is something else going on here. Sigma would make a huge impact on canon lens sales if they did release more lenses, especially full frame ones, yeah the Apsc ones might be a test, but I already think they know the outcome.

  • @indago1
    @indago1 5 месяцев назад +1

    I don''t think Sigma is testing waters... Because why would Tamron not anonouce full frame lens then, but only aps-c. My theory is - Sigma and Tamron will get only rf-s mount, Canon keeps the full frame

  • @WilliamWeston-k1f
    @WilliamWeston-k1f 5 месяцев назад

    I have no issues spending the extra money on canon lens but they have holes in their inventory- for me in the Astro-milky way area. Sigma makes several great lenses for Milky Way work, canon- not so much. I currently solve it with ef to rf adapter but several of Sigma’s new lenses designed for mirrorless are incredible

  • @PWingert1966
    @PWingert1966 5 месяцев назад

    I suspect Canon will not allow full-frame lenses to be produced until the patent on the mount patent expires in another 15 years. This is why I have not upgraded my SL1 and will never upgrade to a Canon RF mount mirrorless camera unit the patents expire in 20 years or so.

  • @hielkeklooster241
    @hielkeklooster241 5 месяцев назад

    I think Sigma is locked into very specific supply agreements with Canon and Nikon that also gag them in a way locking their customer base into first party lenses for the intern future in order to maximise profit margins ..

  • @6gwilliams
    @6gwilliams 5 месяцев назад +1

    Simon thanks for the report. But let's be clear, these Sigma lenses are for mirrorless R cameras, and Canon does NOT have 50% of mirrorless camera sales. Canon's percentage of the overall camera market is 50% made up of its DSLR sales, where Canon has 70% of the DSLR market. Sigma has long made very good DSLR-designed EF-mount lenses, I have owned a few. For mirrorless-designed lenses Sigma's mainstays have been its E-mount and L-mount lenses. . Canon is still reluctant to allow Sigma as a competitor for its own Canon fullframe autofocus RF mount lenses , just a fact. So it will depend more on what Canon allows Sigma to do, than on Sigma's own wishful plans for fullframe AF RF lenses, just a fact. Cheers and best to you.

  • @Digmen1
    @Digmen1 5 месяцев назад

    So what is Sigma selling and making at the moment.
    If I was a Sigma employee or shareholder I would be a bit worried

  • @johnclay7644
    @johnclay7644 5 месяцев назад +2

    informative news thanks Simon

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching and being a loyal viewer John.

  • @lordeinz
    @lordeinz 3 месяца назад

    Why doesnt canon realise that they would sell a few less lenses but camara sales would drastically go up….
    The longer they wait and restrict the more people will choose other systems and wont come back

  • @HeadlessChickenTO
    @HeadlessChickenTO 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wish Sigma could do their 18-35 f1.8 and 50-100 f1.8 on RF. I have the former and its a beast on my R7, and I can only imagine what the 50-100 would have been like.

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад

      Have you tried adapting any of these lenses? It's tough being patient and waiting for these lenses to appear on the RF mount. The other option is to buy a used camera to be able to use these older lenses on. With lots of new cameras on sale, you might find something affordable to pick up.

    • @drbeardo6960
      @drbeardo6960 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@OrdinaryFilmmakerAF hunt issues are deal breaker

    • @HeadlessChickenTO
      @HeadlessChickenTO 5 месяцев назад

      @@OrdinaryFilmmaker
      I've adapted the 18-35, and I'm sort of hunting around for the 50-100. The results are great with 18-35, but I need slightly higher shutter speeds without OS. RFing them with better AF motors would be very welcomed for us APS-C shooters.

    • @JA_0143
      @JA_0143 5 месяцев назад

      @@OrdinaryFilmmakerAs a R7 user and previous owner of the Sigma Art 50-100mm F/1.8 and the art 30mm F/1.4 I’ve experienced focusing issues and they’re starting to show their age. I sent my 30mm back to sigma to get it inspected because it was missing focus.
      After I started using RF L glass I haven’t really looked back at Canon STM or another third party lenses. Yes they’re expensive, but are worth it.

  • @thegoldenmaestro
    @thegoldenmaestro 5 месяцев назад +1

    If they leave it to 2026 I don’t think they should bother
    It won’t be worth it as no one will remain shooting canon by then
    Including me
    SPECIALLY if that R5 mark 2 messes up by even 1%
    No chance

    • @jamesburne3893
      @jamesburne3893 5 месяцев назад

      @thegoldenmaestro It's actually not funny how deluded you are. Take a holiday, leave your phone at home.

  • @thesharpercoder
    @thesharpercoder 5 месяцев назад

    😮Brainstorm! I wonder what it is about the RF mount and RF-S mount lenses that tells the camera that the lens mounted on the camera is designed for an APS-C image sensor.

  • @billmartin1010
    @billmartin1010 5 месяцев назад

    It's possible that the reason for the delay is fairly simple. We know already that Canon's new Z lenses have features disabled for current camera bodies that won't be disabled for future camera bodies. (You're going to have to buy an R5ii if you want that aperture ring to actually do anything in stills mode.) Perhaps Sigma is smart enough to wait until all the features of their lenses will be available to buyers of new cameras. Why make the buyer of a new R5 angry when they discover they can't use all the features of their brand new Sigma lens? Introduce the lens after the R5ii comes out and you end up with much happier customers. AND . . . you avoid being accused of helping Canon wield the dreaded "CRIPPLE HAMMER!"

    • @WernerBirdNature
      @WernerBirdNature 5 месяцев назад

      Hi Bill, the cripple hammer still exists (just look at Simon's beloved R100) but on the higher models not as much as in the past. And I don't believe your example regarding the Aperture ring on Canon Z glass is a case of cripple hammer. You can use the control ring on most RF lenses for aperture, so why would they intentionally block the new dedicated ring ? I'd rather assume it requires a camera side extension of the RF protocol to work ..
      Canon might release in 2030 a new lens feature which is not yet supported by the R1 .. but that wouldn't mean they'll release next month an intentionally crippled R1, right ?

  • @jackmen4
    @jackmen4 5 месяцев назад

    Canon is definitely trying to squeeze as much money from the Native RF lenses before they let anyone use the RF mount. Just look at how they just allowed cropped sensor lenses for the RF, they knew those lenses werent selling.

  • @omarfuzzy6621
    @omarfuzzy6621 2 месяца назад

    Need that Sigma 70-200mm and 24-105mm and I’ll be complete

  • @justinhaller2055
    @justinhaller2055 5 месяцев назад

    I'll stick my canon 7d and sigma 8-16mm and 18-35mm for real estate photography for now. New isn't always better.

  • @TVe200
    @TVe200 5 месяцев назад

    The lenses Sigma want to release are for mirrorless cameras. I do not believe for a second that Canon have 50% of that marked. Bigger than Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus and Lumix together.

  • @albertjimenez7896
    @albertjimenez7896 5 месяцев назад +1

    Canon's recent decision could have negative consequences for the company, as it presents significant obstacles for financially strapped young people to connect with the brand, especially considering the current global economic climate.

  • @soumakbinduwildlife
    @soumakbinduwildlife 5 месяцев назад +3

    Very soon canon will loose it's major market shares

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад +1

      They've held steady just under %50 percent and recently moved up a little. What data or sentiment are you using to predict their fall?

    • @billmartin1010
      @billmartin1010 5 месяцев назад

      I think it depends. Canon seems to be going hard after the video market. If Canon is correct that the video market is where the growth is . . . they could GAIN market share! But, if the stills shooters won't tolerate the added weight and expense of the new video features, who knows. I have to acknowledge being on the fence about this. The new Z lenses and the rumor specs of the R5ii may portend a new direction at Canon.

    • @alansach8437
      @alansach8437 5 месяцев назад

      If you look strictly at mirrorless camera sales, Canon sells more units while Sony makes more money. This would imply that, with mirrorless, Canon is selling more lower end units, and Sony more high end units; which kind of makes sense when you consider that Canon has not had a mirrorless flagship. But, yeah, overall camera sales, Sony, Nikon, Fuji...whoever.. don't come close to Canon.

    • @mbismbismb
      @mbismbismb 5 месяцев назад +1

      Mehhh... even they dont open their mount... the market share is still very big... so big that even sony and nikon combined still cant match canon's

  • @anildangol
    @anildangol 5 месяцев назад

    At this point, most of the people including me care less about canon's ego and not interested. It's been eternity they have yet to produce 35mm 1.4 lens which is one of the most widely used lens while third party manufacturers are flooding the sony's ecosystem left and right. I think new comer should forget canon ecosystem altogether as they have much much better choice in Sony.

  • @breakfastforyousoul
    @breakfastforyousoul 5 месяцев назад +1

    Its easy! They are releasing apsc as that is what is allowed by Canon, they will make a killing on the canon apsc front. Canon has no choice but to let them in on the apsc line as they have only a few lenses native apsc for rf and will fall behind bad if they do not. They have to open the apsc up or they will be buried by the competition. Canon wont let them on the RF full frame yet, otherwise 3rd parties would be jumping in as their is allot of money to be made there. I blame canon, if they would have opened up the RF mount years ago, they would be sitting good right now. But it is a money play for Canon and they are out to make as much as they can at the expense of the customer. That is all their is to it. I know Canon has the right to do that, but ALL the other manufacturers opened up. I talk with my wallet and sold canon and am happily moved on to sony and panasonic... BYEEEEEE!!

  • @dentonator96
    @dentonator96 5 месяцев назад +3

    What a joke

  • @grahamtowers5513
    @grahamtowers5513 5 месяцев назад

    Will that guest speaker be "The Fro"????? I know he's used the Z6 MkIII

  • @aronaldharper543
    @aronaldharper543 5 месяцев назад +2

    Deal breaker.

  • @LOLA6ifyable
    @LOLA6ifyable 5 месяцев назад +2

    1st!!
    Sigma keeps doing this , they release thier crappy triple APC lenses , then go silent.
    Same with Nikon ,Fuji ... while releasing Sony Left and right a bummer.

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад

      I don't think most people realize the cost of gearing up for just one lens. It's very expensive. The reason they start with APS-C is that is where there is the most demand. This allows them to assess demand before committing to full frame which costs a lot more to develop at the quality needed. With six lenses for Canon announced, Sigma is pretty confident that will make back their investment, but it isn't guaranteed.
      Once they are confident in the numbers, they will commit to the lenses they expect to generate the greatest sales first, likely lenses like the 150-600...

    • @rumrill5020
      @rumrill5020 5 месяцев назад

      How are the 18-50 and 10-18 crappy, exactly?

  • @colinbluth5461
    @colinbluth5461 5 месяцев назад +2

    canon failing bad

  • @FilipDePreter
    @FilipDePreter 5 месяцев назад

    Maybe, just maybe, 3rd party should tell Canon " or you let us, or we tell the world you don't let and we tell so and will never do make RF"

  • @christophercarlimages9003
    @christophercarlimages9003 5 месяцев назад

    Canon has worse problems than lack of third party lenses. They need to break off their love affair with redundant 24mpx cameras.

    • @xmj6830
      @xmj6830 5 месяцев назад +1

      Well not just Canon....

  • @Kajama-g9c
    @Kajama-g9c 5 месяцев назад +1

    Just work hard and buy the original

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад

      That or find good deals in used gear... but still work hard as they won't be cheap, but they hold their value for a Lon along time... Better than renting...

  • @drbeardo6960
    @drbeardo6960 5 месяцев назад +1

    Going to Team Sony😅

    • @mbismbismb
      @mbismbismb 5 месяцев назад

      Bye dont come back... we wont miss u

  • @Burritosarebetterthantacos
    @Burritosarebetterthantacos 5 месяцев назад +1

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I knew it.

  • @jibin0005
    @jibin0005 5 месяцев назад +2

    Switch to sony solve 😂

    • @OrdinaryFilmmaker
      @OrdinaryFilmmaker  5 месяцев назад

      What problem would switching to Sony solve, and how would that switch generate a positive ROI?

    • @jibin0005
      @jibin0005 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@OrdinaryFilmmaker third party full frame lenses

    • @alansach8437
      @alansach8437 5 месяцев назад

      Wonder if it makes more sense economically (assuming a reasonable amount of gear) to sell all your Canon stuff (presumably at a loss) and switch to Sony, or just suck it up and buy Canon RF lenses?

    • @mbismbismb
      @mbismbismb 5 месяцев назад +2

      Hahaha only ppl have plenty of time to edit those sony colours 😂😂 us canon users just cant bear to see those fugly colours sooc