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Weirdly enough, I personally would not describe Paper Mario to someone as fun and childlike. They're probably the darkest Mario games lmao. TTYD alone has a noose in the central plaza, boos in playboy bunnysuits, catcalling goombas, a house with a bloodied floor and a chalk outline of a toad, and my favorite, Goombella telling another character she's "the world's biggest floozy" There's probably more I'm missing
@pkshuuu Yeah, people nitpicking at game play we have seen, like complaining about it supposedly being censored, always felt like they were just complaining for the sake of complaining rather than these being actual issues
@@jolteonrpgplayer2751for the most part i'm fine with the remake running at 30, it's unfortunate that it's lower than the gamecube version but i can look past it. i don't think it's good to dismiss framerates as an unimportant part of games though. i don't really care about the discussion regarding ttyd in particular because it seems to run consistently (and i'm excited to play a ttyd that runs consistently since i played rhe original on dolphin) but an inconsistent framerate absolutely CAN be an issue. i was playing pokemon violet a couple weeks ago and the lag spikes (among other things) made it absolutely miserable to play. i think dismissing it as "people just want things to complain about" is a silly and childish thing to do.
Personally I'm fine with the FPS being capped at 30, because going by the trailer, the graphics and animations look really good. The game probably COULD run at 60 fps most of the time, but I'll take a stable 30 fps over a game that sometimes run at 60 but keeps dipping on and off between them. As for gameplay, I stability and graphics quality over maximum framerate in this type of game because it's more of a "timing" gameplay than a "reaction" gameplay.
i wonder if everyone forgot ttyd struggles to properly render big crowds in those cutscenes with hundreds of NPCs. The game was running at 60fps but those NPCS would be lower resolution and move at a choppy 20 frames next to everyone else. It was never perfect to begin with so now that we have a more graphically intensive artstyle and lighting engine things had to be pushed back for the sake of stability. People would not be happy with a 60 FPS remake that constantly dipped frames and had even worse looking crowd npcs. If they looked bad then, imagine how much worse it would look by comparison with the cleaner artstyle.
I'm just hoping this'll lead to an all-new, original, Paper Mario RPG, that brings everything good from the first 2 games back. Just my list here: -NPCs (and enemies) that vary and deviate from their original, standard counterparts. -Partner"s", with an "s". -A story that's actually interesting. -Writing that doesn't involve a reference to, or characters acknowledging, the fact that it's 'Paper' Mario). -Just, less focus on the 'paper' aspect, whether it's the writing or the environments, but just, like, reserve it for the characters. 'Story Book' Paper Mario is like, actually peak. -Etc.
they're probably going to drag their feet on it since the financial success of the remake is further evidence that they don't have to make new (risky) content to make huge profit, due to so many fans trying to relive their nostalgia (even though they'll never relive the first-time-playing experience that they're chasing) the modern business model for established developers will place more emphasis on remaking/porting old, popular games while pushing out a new title here and there to maintain relevance, unlike the early 2000s when most titles were new games
Why are people like this!? This is a remake of a classic that we wait for 8 years & now that we got it, the fans argue over the new music, the graphics are too shiny & the game doesn't run on 60FPS. ...Seriously?
My thing is why did it have to be remade? A 30$ port would have been plenty. No censorship, no framrate dips, the recently underrated graphics of the original as well as nit having to use a badge for the og music.
People would just complain about the graphics not being good if they did :/ personally I could care less everyone is so entitled these days it’s disgusting I’m so sick and tired of it all 😑
I know this is a bit irrelevant to the debate, since all we have is the Switch right now, but I noticed the ABXY button inputs are colored, something belived to be on the controllers of the rumored Switch successor. Maybe when Nintendo's next console is revealed, it might be patched to run the game at 60 FPS when playing on new hardware? I think it would make sense for Nintendo to make that work if their next console is really going to release as soon as leaks suggest.
True I noticed that aswell! A lot of people have been saying the same thing too! Tbh I feel like when the switch 2 comes out a lot of games will run and feel a lot smoother because of the extra gpu power!!
Well I have one question: are the button colors the same as the GameCube’s? If yes, then it’s definitely a nod to the platform of the og paper Mario ttyd
Honestly, I haven't really seen that many Paper Mario fans getting upset about the framerate. It was more of a scare from game journalists who spread that it ran at only 30FPS like wildfire the moment it was announced. It's something that's weirdly contentious in a lot of gaming spheres recently. Most fans don't actually care, except for the occasional worry that it'll mess with the Action Command timings (It very likely won't). I think it's common to assume Paper Mario fans are getting angry over everything now because of the obvious divide between the tone and gameplay of the first games vs the last 3, but I've seen very little from long-term fans personally. Now, if you want something real Paper Mario fans are ACTUALLY divided on right now, it's that TTYD seems to be getting censored further. All discussion on gender in regards to Vivian seems to have been removed in most if not all versions (Ironically, it was previously believed she would be translated closer to the original Japanese script). They also censored a catcalling scene that added a lot of character to Goombella very early into the game. Now instead of calling them out and beating them up, Goombella gets called a snob and then kind of immediately proves them right. Honestly, the dialogue is funny but very out of place and detracts a lot from the scene.
The whole "catcalling" thing actually wasn't in the original Japanese, so I've heard, and actually was close to along the lines in the remake. Idrc either way; in the end, the gameplay is still, EVER SO SLIGHTLY, more important.
@@videogollumer That was an assumption thrown around early on, since the rest of the game seemed to be closer to the Japanese script. It's not true though. English Release: "Hey! Hey, man! What's up? Who's the hottie you got there with you?" "Wassup, baby? Why don't you hang with us for a while? We play real nice!" "Man, what's a FINE-lookin' Goomba doin' with a tubby mustache man like that?!?" Japanese Version Translated: "Hey, I see you got a cutie with you." "How about playing with us cutie?" "Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies."
I haven't been paying attention to the twitter scene so I don't know if anyone has brought up this point, but biggest argument I could see for at least questioning the drop to 30fps would be for the mechanics. Paper Mario may be turn based, but it's very heavily focused on timing action commands. For normal attacks this doesn't really matter, but for tight windows like the super guard, their ability to balance a mechanic's difficulty has been effectively cut in half. Superguards used to be a 3 frame window, which would be 1.5 frames at 30fps. So I don't know if they made it 50% harder or 33% easier. The same could be asked about power bounce in its later bounces. That said, though... the problem *only* applies to the high skill moves that had very low frame windows. They're more of a show of skill and mastery over the game than anything else, optional risk-reward mechanics meant to offer you a new way to approach battles if you're up for it. And even then, it's not like the moves were completely revamped, they've just had their frame windows changed slightly in certain niche edge cases. When you look at it that way, it's a really minor complaint even at its strongest point. As for the graphical side of things, I know you already talked about this but the paper style doesn't need 60fps at all. And if I'm being honest... doesn't it make more sense for a paper world to have a bit of a snappy art style to it?
Personally I'm fine if it's got 30 fps. Just because it's got 30 fps doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be a bad game. I'm gonna enjoy this remake of Paper Mario the Thousand-Year Door regardless of how much fps it's got and I think there's lots of fans of this game that are gonna enjoy it, 30 fps or otherwise.
People complaining about FPS? Its a action turn base rpg. Not a First person shooter! (Goddamnit fps, why must you have the same abbreveation as frame per second) 30 fps works fine for this type of game
To be fair, the battle system requires you to be timing button presses for attacking and defending, some with very short windows. 30fps _might_ effect it but probably not enough for it to be a big issue
I think it's moreso outsider people than Paper Mario fans. A lot of Paper Mario fans are very happy with the remake and the weird frame rate people are bashing it for the sake of bashing it.
I think it's probably going to be like the Superstar Saga remake. There'll be pros and cons to each version. I'm just hoping that between this and the Mario RPG remake, we'll get a new wave of Mario RGPs.
I dont think many people are actually angry. I think people are just a little annoyed? It is a silly fact that the gamecube can run ttyd at 60 fps but the switch literally cant.
It could, but not without potential frame dips that would look worse. You cant expect a remake with such high quality graphics and lighting to run consistantly at a higher framerate when the gamecube could barely handle large crowds at 60fps. Its clear why the gamecube ran at 60, the sprites were simpler and there was no advanced lighting effects... but even that game had to make any scene with hundreds of entities appear at a lower resolution and slower framrate compared to the main cast. The gamecube made its own sacrifices to work so its only fair that upping the quality meant you'd have to hold back if you want things to remain consistant. Beauty comes at a price.
I say this as a Sonic fan. Paper Mario fans, stop acting like us. This is OUR thing. Go find your own. Y'all are taking one tiny little flaw about the game and making it bigger than it actually is, and using it to say the entire game is ruined. THATS OUR THING. THATS WHAT WE DO. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO BE US?
My opinion is for a game like this it’s not as important. For a game like Bayonetta or monster hunter where needing to dodge or parry is more important. I know you got timing inputs for paper Mario as well but it’s not as hard with less chaotic input from your surroundings like those games I listed. But like I said it’s just my opinion.
I've said this in another video, and i'll say it again: all i care about right now is to play the gosh darn game! Yes, i would prefer it to run 60fps like the original, but at least im not flipping my parents and crying and pouting like a baby over a downgrade of fps. And the worst part? Some people on the internet shame others for not minding the downgrade. I sware, the media is always overextended whether they're right or not!
They’re mostly angry about the remake and how it’s gonna be running at 30fps! Tbh I feel like them being angry is understandable but at the same time it IS just a paper Mario game I don’t really see why 30fps should matter lolol
Bowsers fury for me runs at 30fps and I was thinking it was gonna be 60fps but it wasn’t And the only reason I wanted paper mario TTYD was because the OG copies was not cheap and Dolphin emulator is complicated because controls I’ve had videos I watched who run at 720p but I’m not mad about it….im still gonna buy this game
i was thinking that this was a zoomer moment when you kept mentioning it was made in 2004 and 20 years old, but then you actually turned that on its head by bringing up the fact that it ran at a smoother framerate than the remake. i guess all the people who downvoted didn't watch the whole thing, or even a quarter of it. rip. either that or people hate rational, level-headed takes like yours.
@@pkshuuu Nah, it looks fine. Zoomers are obsessed with 4k hyperrealism, the game is clean looking and runs smooth. It's not like an N64 game or something.
@@Vulpas I know lol im just saying the graphics aren’t all there because it’s a GameCube game, why are people tryna fight me cuz I said this like its not true 😭
good video, but a better argument would have been if you pointed out all the actual gameplay improvements made to the game. gameplay matters more than graphics and story when it comes to a game. there's quality of life improvements and they even made the backtracking less painful. it'd be hard to drop the game over the framerate alone after knowing that the gameplay itself is just objectively better.
I disagree. Metroid Prime Remaster set the standard and showed that remakes of GC games can be made to both look graphically impressively updated AND run at 60 FPS. So we should hold Nintendo to that standard.
@@pkshuuu I'm just saying, as soon as you show Nintendo that they should feel guilt-free for dipping below 60, then 60 is gone forever and will never come back.
@@sayuriartsy5108 true! It is kinda looking that way right now, but at the same time I’m not super surprised? The switch isn’t the strongest console and even though paper Mario is a first party game I just don’t really know how to feel lol
Lol 30fps in a game that looks like the best paper I’ve ever seen? That’s just reaching hard, like 60fps is sharp, but on a game like this it barely even matters.
i feel like the majority of people are all really hyped for this, but the ungratefull people like complaining. and are probably just more vocal about it.
I'm more... disappointed by it. I want to support the first alright decision for this franchise in 20 years, but I still have the original, and I think it still looks fine. The presentation overhaul is very much a: "I sure would hope the game looks better on newer hardware"... but that's all they really have. And it causes the game to run worse. Woah. I'm missing nothing by skipping the remake (aside from saving money). One of the most influential games for me and its remake leaves me indifferent. It's odd to me. We could have gotten balance changes (the community has 20 years of hindsight on what's worth using or not), a new Chapter/actual postgame, a new Partner, new Badges (not just a glorified option for the old soundtrack), actual QoL (like Badge Sets that can be saved and loaded as needed, like a romhack of friggin' PM64)... Instead, I saw people getting excited for... On the fly Partner-switching. I imagine these people didn't have a d-pad on their Gamecube controllers. ...Am I just jaded?
I noticed from the very first trailer that the game is in 30fps, and it has annoyed me since. My take on the matter is that I would prefer the graphics to be based around consistent performance rather than the framerate to be based on graphical fidelity. I'll be honest, I'm a sucker for frames. You cannot tell me that they couldn't have made the game look better than the original without having to give up the smoothness of 60fps. Just sad man.
@@pkshuuu Absolutely. Regardless of how much it bugs me, it IS, at the end of the day, a minor knock against the game. The game looks absolutely stunning compared to the original and all the gameplay mechanics are here and accounted for. So long as it's consistent, the framerate will look more natural the more you play it. I'm not simply going to dismiss the game as a whole over something like this.
it's just a vocal minority who are really pissy, the rest is fine with it being 30 fps. Of course 60 fps would have always been better but ultimately won't be an issue
Honestly let them cry and whine like children it will just drum up more sales any publicity whether good or bad is good for a product whether it’s a video game tv show movie etc
I dont care if others opinions differ- Im fine with the fr, and im fine if it upsets you. Sorry? Im not angry, moreso annoyed that there is ALWAYS a stupid controversy. I am absolutley of the mind that 60 is prefferable! YET 30 was what origami king ran and the animations and game are gorgeous and snappy. 🤷♀️ I can't find a legitamite reason to not be exited. Like it doesnt even feel like a hit considering the overhaul the rest of the game received! It feels like people just WANT to be upset, compaining and making a stink about the single downgrade the game gets as if the rest of it isn't enhanced. I say boo to this mindset. We can say I wish it was 60 without making it an internet movement or discourse right? Can we stop acting like a bad attitude will get us what we want? This is only reflective of how people act in their real lives when things arent perfect; the difference is in real life we move forward because it doesnt wait for us, the unneccissary attitude and disperspective only holds us up. On the internet the problems become stuck in a time bubble and become an echo chamber of discourse. Im so sick of seeing this, I just want people to be able to complain without it being a flippin call to arms acting like they NEED to be understood and others who dont are just wrong and bad? Why does this community not accept that people have varying opinions? Paper mario has a new gimmick almost every single game. Of course there are different opinions and favorites. Personally growing up SPM was my favorite! But over time Pm64 and TTYD have become my favorites. I still enjoyed sticker star, color splash, and origami king and credit them based off their merits. They have some wonderful ideas. I dont appriciate the limitations imposed on the developers but its not like i am personally offended, its just not something I liked- *in contrast* To be honest I ENJOYED sticker star! Reflecting on it I didnt enjoy it as the rest of the series which is my personal take. I still think there are reasons to like that game and be able to enjoy it today, and its my least favorite paper mario. 🤷♀️ I guess what I'm saying is how do yall live a pleasant life with such deeprooted opinions on things that are supppsed to be entertainment? Video games are literally all I do, if they are offending me or causing me deep irritability *I'm* the one doing something wrong and spending my time focusing on things that get me nowhere. Just my 2 cents. Im not trying to belittle the opinion that 60 is superior or would be better because it would be. Im just wondering why people think others should care so much and why we are putting people in positions of inferiority over something as simple as fr prefrences. This goes for both sides mind you! I wish people on the internet would learn how to be better spoken. 😐
Honestly, this anger is just false anger, and just be glad we're getting this at all because let's be honest the last paper mario games were not that great
Well that's just opinionated, and I don't want to say it like it's because of the different generation of paper Mario. I like both the older and newer games (outside of sticker star). Color splash and Origami king are good, though outliers for doing some controversial stuff. (Like Bobby's death)
Sorry, but whining about framerate is stupid we have so much other stuff in return: GameCube Badge, backtracking fixed, fast partner swap and incredible visuals and music are great stuff we get in return just like Mario RPG, Superstar Saga, Mario VS DK and Luigi's Mansion 2, people always find stuff to whine about in those remakes
Superstar Saga remake had some character design changes that were really jarring, like the Koopas that looked more generic than in the original even though their Dry Bones version had the old design, stuff like that really ruined that remake. But the TTYD remake is pretty consistently faithful, so it should be good
@@geschnitztekiste4111 I never played the original Superstar Saga, and i like the new remake more, and the music is much better on 3DS but TTYD doesn't deserve this whining
@@PeachyFanboy Well if you‘ve never played the original of course you’re gonna be biased. I recommend the original, things will make a lot more sense there (like the Bone Donkey Kong who hosts the barrel minigame on the ship who got completely cut in the remake and replaced with a normal skeleton sailor, but they didn’t even bother to change his speech, he still speaks in broken English as a normal guy, it’s honestly bad)
Why are we even having pc gamer arguments like this in the first place? I mean, what's next, are we gonna deem these games unplayable because we can't cut trees?
Hell YHEA! Now I can hit my superguards! I call this kind of hate the "PokeCOD syndrome", everyone shts on the game pre-release -> the game sells extremely well -> 80% of the players don't rage and actually try to enjoy the game they bought -> the other 20% still plays the game hating on it as if they were developers themselves. Go make your game bro... you are still buying (most likely) the next instalment too.
Plus Nintendo of America is woke so Vivian will be changed to a troon, whereas in the Japanese he was a feminine male, whereas in the English localization Vivian was a regular female. Definitely not getting it.
@@pkshuuu It's not officially confirmed yet, but in Japan Vivian was what's called otokonoko, which is essentially a feminine male. But Nintendo of America is known to be woke, so any character who is male but behaves femininely will almost certainly be put under the transgender umbrella because there's no nuance with modern western identity politics.
-_- she was trans in the original Europe... She was made full female in North America because transexual in 2004 were taboo... And who cares if Vivian trans -_- like... WHO CARES?! Is a shadowy thing from a fictional race with no faces at all affect you that much... Look the switch is very much moddable. I am sure an original translate without Vivian being trans will be made... Go get it once it out
What a strange reason not to support. This is one character and one aspect of her character that is literally not even brought up (outside of maybe one stray line)… u act like they are going to bring it up every moment they get. It’s not that deep.
it does run better, its consistant. The gamecube did not have to worry about high graphics and lighting, but also your memory seems to be forgetting how poorly the game handled large crowds of npcs. If anything the remake at a consistant 30 is more stable than the older 60 that couldn't render 100s of npcs without lowering their quality and framerate. Go back and watch crump vs bowser and notice how both armies are less detailed than everyone around them (This is not the only scene that has these low res npcs in them). If the gamecube can't handle having everyone be at the same level of quality then it wasn't exactly doing its job well. The remake is anything but simplistic, it takes a lot of work to get everything to look good and function properly. It was a choice of having 60fps but with constant dips and issues trying to render everything in top quality, or simply lower the framerate to make everything consistant and smooth. Frame dips would not be the definition of 'running better'
It looks better, runs on 30 fps as a style choice and were getting a remake for one of the best mario rpgs even after Nintendo confirmed that they were done with the old paper mario format. We got new surveys asking people what they liked about paper mario, we have new music for the game and if you dont like the new music for whatever reason, you can obtain an item that lets you switch back to the og soundtrack and sound effects. What exactly am I missing here??? 🗿
You know dang well Nintendo games dont have story 😂. Nah fr good video people shouldn't care. Its not like its an action game its a slow moving RPG. Although if we are getting this for $60 it should have good graphics and frame rate, if not make it cheaper
higher quality graphics = higher intesity per frame. The better your game looks the harder it will be to make it look good consistantly. If you dont cut the framerate you're going to get a lot of frame dips which would look worse than if it was 30 or had uglier graphics. Consistancy is far superior to havinga slightly smoother animation. The game doesn't move any faster or slower either way... but a frame dip will slow you down and look horrible. Its not like the gamecube didn't have to sacrifice quality to make some of its scenes work. A good framerate is a consistant one, 30 or 60. I would not give up this high quality artstyle just to make it run at 60 and look drab (and potentially dip). Besides no one actually cares, the gameplay is all we care about.
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It's ironic for the fanbase of a fun, childlike, papercraft themed game series to have so much contention
Right? Lolll
Honestly let those losers be ruined over something as trivial as a consistent 30 frame rate.
Weirdly enough, I personally would not describe Paper Mario to someone as fun and childlike. They're probably the darkest Mario games lmao.
TTYD alone has a noose in the central plaza, boos in playboy bunnysuits, catcalling goombas, a house with a bloodied floor and a chalk outline of a toad, and my favorite, Goombella telling another character she's "the world's biggest floozy"
There's probably more I'm missing
& even the 3rd entry SPM which has a life destroying black hole vortex. And a top hat wearing antagonist dealing with grief of losing his partner.
“Everyone is angry”
I’m not
Why did you air quote me? I didn’t literally mean everyone lmfao
framerate is overrated. I just care that the game plays well.
Honestly same!
I never understood why anyone would ever care about frame rates
@@jolteonrpgplayer2751 cuz people like finding things to complain about
@pkshuuu Yeah, people nitpicking at game play we have seen, like complaining about it supposedly being censored, always felt like they were just complaining for the sake of complaining rather than these being actual issues
@@jolteonrpgplayer2751for the most part i'm fine with the remake running at 30, it's unfortunate that it's lower than the gamecube version but i can look past it. i don't think it's good to dismiss framerates as an unimportant part of games though. i don't really care about the discussion regarding ttyd in particular because it seems to run consistently (and i'm excited to play a ttyd that runs consistently since i played rhe original on dolphin) but an inconsistent framerate absolutely CAN be an issue. i was playing pokemon violet a couple weeks ago and the lag spikes (among other things) made it absolutely miserable to play. i think dismissing it as "people just want things to complain about" is a silly and childish thing to do.
People complaining about lower FPS on the game? Who cares? I just want to see Koops again and fight Hooktail in HD.
REAL
Personally I'm fine with the FPS being capped at 30, because going by the trailer, the graphics and animations look really good.
The game probably COULD run at 60 fps most of the time, but I'll take a stable 30 fps over a game that sometimes run at 60 but keeps dipping on and off between them.
As for gameplay, I stability and graphics quality over maximum framerate in this type of game because it's more of a "timing" gameplay than a "reaction" gameplay.
Honestly same!
i was expecting something really stupid but even THIS surpassed my expectations. THAT'S IT???? that's all it is? who even cares about framerate?
yep lol! thats exactly how i feel LMAOAOAO
i wonder if everyone forgot ttyd struggles to properly render big crowds in those cutscenes with hundreds of NPCs. The game was running at 60fps but those NPCS would be lower resolution and move at a choppy 20 frames next to everyone else. It was never perfect to begin with so now that we have a more graphically intensive artstyle and lighting engine things had to be pushed back for the sake of stability. People would not be happy with a 60 FPS remake that constantly dipped frames and had even worse looking crowd npcs. If they looked bad then, imagine how much worse it would look by comparison with the cleaner artstyle.
Exactly my point!!!
I'm just hoping this'll lead to an all-new, original, Paper Mario RPG, that brings everything good from the first 2 games back.
Just my list here:
-NPCs (and enemies) that vary and deviate from their original, standard counterparts.
-Partner"s", with an "s".
-A story that's actually interesting.
-Writing that doesn't involve a reference to, or characters acknowledging, the fact that it's 'Paper' Mario).
-Just, less focus on the 'paper' aspect, whether it's the writing or the environments, but just, like, reserve it for the characters. 'Story Book' Paper Mario is like, actually peak.
-Etc.
they're probably going to drag their feet on it since the financial success of the remake is further evidence that they don't have to make new (risky) content to make huge profit, due to so many fans trying to relive their nostalgia (even though they'll never relive the first-time-playing experience that they're chasing)
the modern business model for established developers will place more emphasis on remaking/porting old, popular games while pushing out a new title here and there to maintain relevance, unlike the early 2000s when most titles were new games
Why are people like this!? This is a remake of a classic that we wait for 8 years & now that we got it, the fans argue over the new music, the graphics are too shiny & the game doesn't run on 60FPS. ...Seriously?
My thing is why did it have to be remade? A 30$ port would have been plenty. No censorship, no framrate dips, the recently underrated graphics of the original as well as nit having to use a badge for the og music.
Understandable! Nintendo has been remaking a lot of their old games this year and the last so I kind of expected it tbh
People would just complain about the graphics not being good if they did :/ personally I could care less everyone is so entitled these days it’s disgusting I’m so sick and tired of it all 😑
Knowing nintendo the port would be 60, thats why they are remaking it, to make it worth the price
They made the best game ever even better. Of all games to be 60$ this game right here makes the most sense
I know this is a bit irrelevant to the debate, since all we have is the Switch right now, but I noticed the ABXY button inputs are colored, something belived to be on the controllers of the rumored Switch successor. Maybe when Nintendo's next console is revealed, it might be patched to run the game at 60 FPS when playing on new hardware?
I think it would make sense for Nintendo to make that work if their next console is really going to release as soon as leaks suggest.
True I noticed that aswell! A lot of people have been saying the same thing too! Tbh I feel like when the switch 2 comes out a lot of games will run and feel a lot smoother because of the extra gpu power!!
Does that mean TTYD remake was made with Switch 2 in mind?
@@Dilmi.AOUKLI tbh im not too sure! It could be possible!
@@Dilmi.AOUKLI If it's true that the buttons are colored and that Nintendo is working on the next console, then I think so
Well I have one question: are the button colors the same as the GameCube’s?
If yes, then it’s definitely a nod to the platform of the og paper Mario ttyd
Honestly, I haven't really seen that many Paper Mario fans getting upset about the framerate. It was more of a scare from game journalists who spread that it ran at only 30FPS like wildfire the moment it was announced. It's something that's weirdly contentious in a lot of gaming spheres recently. Most fans don't actually care, except for the occasional worry that it'll mess with the Action Command timings (It very likely won't). I think it's common to assume Paper Mario fans are getting angry over everything now because of the obvious divide between the tone and gameplay of the first games vs the last 3, but I've seen very little from long-term fans personally.
Now, if you want something real Paper Mario fans are ACTUALLY divided on right now, it's that TTYD seems to be getting censored further. All discussion on gender in regards to Vivian seems to have been removed in most if not all versions (Ironically, it was previously believed she would be translated closer to the original Japanese script). They also censored a catcalling scene that added a lot of character to Goombella very early into the game. Now instead of calling them out and beating them up, Goombella gets called a snob and then kind of immediately proves them right. Honestly, the dialogue is funny but very out of place and detracts a lot from the scene.
I’ve been hearing a lot about this censoring the past few days! The whole censoring situation is definitely interesting!
The whole "catcalling" thing actually wasn't in the original Japanese, so I've heard, and actually was close to along the lines in the remake. Idrc either way; in the end, the gameplay is still, EVER SO SLIGHTLY, more important.
@@videogollumer That was an assumption thrown around early on, since the rest of the game seemed to be closer to the Japanese script. It's not true though.
English Release:
"Hey! Hey, man! What's up? Who's the hottie you got there with you?"
"Wassup, baby? Why don't you hang with us for a while? We play real nice!"
"Man, what's a FINE-lookin' Goomba doin' with a tubby mustache man like that?!?"
Japanese Version Translated:
"Hey, I see you got a cutie with you."
"How about playing with us cutie?"
"Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies."
@@Snowstorm... Isdrc
@@videogollumer lmao sure man
I think people are also forgetting the rumors that just got confirmed that we are going to the switchs successor soon
True that! I cannot WAIT FOR THE SWITCH 2 I AM SO EXCITEDDDD
I haven't been paying attention to the twitter scene so I don't know if anyone has brought up this point, but biggest argument I could see for at least questioning the drop to 30fps would be for the mechanics.
Paper Mario may be turn based, but it's very heavily focused on timing action commands. For normal attacks this doesn't really matter, but for tight windows like the super guard, their ability to balance a mechanic's difficulty has been effectively cut in half. Superguards used to be a 3 frame window, which would be 1.5 frames at 30fps. So I don't know if they made it 50% harder or 33% easier. The same could be asked about power bounce in its later bounces.
That said, though... the problem *only* applies to the high skill moves that had very low frame windows. They're more of a show of skill and mastery over the game than anything else, optional risk-reward mechanics meant to offer you a new way to approach battles if you're up for it. And even then, it's not like the moves were completely revamped, they've just had their frame windows changed slightly in certain niche edge cases. When you look at it that way, it's a really minor complaint even at its strongest point.
As for the graphical side of things, I know you already talked about this but the paper style doesn't need 60fps at all. And if I'm being honest... doesn't it make more sense for a paper world to have a bit of a snappy art style to it?
Personally I'm fine if it's got 30 fps. Just because it's got 30 fps doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be a bad game. I'm gonna enjoy this remake of Paper Mario the Thousand-Year Door regardless of how much fps it's got and I think there's lots of fans of this game that are gonna enjoy it, 30 fps or otherwise.
I don’t care about the frame rate to
People complaining about FPS? Its a action turn base rpg. Not a First person shooter! (Goddamnit fps, why must you have the same abbreveation as frame per second) 30 fps works fine for this type of game
Real
To be fair, the battle system requires you to be timing button presses for attacking and defending, some with very short windows. 30fps _might_ effect it but probably not enough for it to be a big issue
I think it's moreso outsider people than Paper Mario fans. A lot of Paper Mario fans are very happy with the remake and the weird frame rate people are bashing it for the sake of bashing it.
Lol reallll
I think it's probably going to be like the Superstar Saga remake. There'll be pros and cons to each version. I'm just hoping that between this and the Mario RPG remake, we'll get a new wave of Mario RGPs.
Dude same! I would love to see the mario and Luigi rpg franchise come back those games were awesome!
My favorite genre: Rolegame Play
Unless they are getting the switch for this game alone how aren’t they used to 30 fps?
the second I heard the word twitter I knew it was going to be something that barely affects the game and doesn't matter that much. and I was right
Bahahaha
I dont think many people are actually angry. I think people are just a little annoyed? It is a silly fact that the gamecube can run ttyd at 60 fps but the switch literally cant.
True! Honestly I feel like both sides of the argument are valid tbh but I totally see your point!
It could, but not without potential frame dips that would look worse. You cant expect a remake with such high quality graphics and lighting to run consistantly at a higher framerate when the gamecube could barely handle large crowds at 60fps. Its clear why the gamecube ran at 60, the sprites were simpler and there was no advanced lighting effects... but even that game had to make any scene with hundreds of entities appear at a lower resolution and slower framrate compared to the main cast. The gamecube made its own sacrifices to work so its only fair that upping the quality meant you'd have to hold back if you want things to remain consistant. Beauty comes at a price.
My concern is that combat is going to feel differently since they have to translate the frames moves ams blocks take over to 30fps
I say this as a Sonic fan.
Paper Mario fans, stop acting like us.
This is OUR thing. Go find your own.
Y'all are taking one tiny little flaw about the game and making it bigger than it actually is, and using it to say the entire game is ruined.
THATS OUR THING. THATS WHAT WE DO. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO BE US?
My opinion is for a game like this it’s not as important. For a game like Bayonetta or monster hunter where needing to dodge or parry is more important. I know you got timing inputs for paper Mario as well but it’s not as hard with less chaotic input from your surroundings like those games I listed. But like I said it’s just my opinion.
Agreed
I've said this in another video, and i'll say it again: all i care about right now is to play the gosh darn game!
Yes, i would prefer it to run 60fps like the original, but at least im not flipping my parents and crying and pouting like a baby over a downgrade of fps.
And the worst part? Some people on the internet shame others for not minding the downgrade. I sware, the media is always overextended whether they're right or not!
Real!
Good video! Oh jeez what are they angry about? Is it the remake? The Origami King? Sticker Star or Color Splash?
They’re mostly angry about the remake and how it’s gonna be running at 30fps! Tbh I feel like them being angry is understandable but at the same time it IS just a paper Mario game I don’t really see why 30fps should matter lolol
@@pkshuuu Oh jeez this is just like Disney's fans when they got angry about Winnie The Pooh blood and honey 🐻🩸🍯
@@Dorox97 true! Lolll
@@pkshuuu Yeah XDXDXDXDXDXD!
Bowsers fury for me runs at 30fps and I was thinking it was gonna be 60fps but it wasn’t
And the only reason I wanted paper mario TTYD was because the OG copies was not cheap and Dolphin emulator is complicated because controls
I’ve had videos I watched who run at 720p but I’m not mad about it….im still gonna buy this game
Yeah I get what you mean about bowser’s fury, it runs for me at 30fps too in handheld so im used to 30fps in Nintendo games tbh
2:52 that’s a honest correct point
i was thinking that this was a zoomer moment when you kept mentioning it was made in 2004 and 20 years old, but then you actually turned that on its head by bringing up the fact that it ran at a smoother framerate than the remake. i guess all the people who downvoted didn't watch the whole thing, or even a quarter of it. rip. either that or people hate rational, level-headed takes like yours.
LITERALLY!!!!
@@pkshuuu LITERALLY BRO
Well regardless, in the end, the money is always right and the sales may very well shape the future of Paper Mario.
true that fr
PM ON GAMECUBE STILL HOLDS UP
Lolol true! But the graphics aren’t.. all there! That’s understandable though since it’s a GameCube game haha
@@pkshuuu I still perfer it then the current pm ok graphics they used in the game
@@pkshuuu Nah, it looks fine. Zoomers are obsessed with 4k hyperrealism, the game is clean looking and runs smooth. It's not like an N64 game or something.
@@pkshuuu the graphics are very good, you guys are obsessed with 192992k ultra realism shit
@@Vulpas I know lol im just saying the graphics aren’t all there because it’s a GameCube game, why are people tryna fight me cuz I said this like its not true 😭
good video, but a better argument would have been if you pointed out all the actual gameplay improvements made to the game. gameplay matters more than graphics and story when it comes to a game.
there's quality of life improvements and they even made the backtracking less painful.
it'd be hard to drop the game over the framerate alone after knowing that the gameplay itself is just objectively better.
True! My bad haha
I disagree. Metroid Prime Remaster set the standard and showed that remakes of GC games can be made to both look graphically impressively updated AND run at 60 FPS. So we should hold Nintendo to that standard.
Fair enough!
@@pkshuuu I'm just saying, as soon as you show Nintendo that they should feel guilt-free for dipping below 60, then 60 is gone forever and will never come back.
@@sayuriartsy5108 true! It is kinda looking that way right now, but at the same time I’m not super surprised? The switch isn’t the strongest console and even though paper Mario is a first party game I just don’t really know how to feel lol
Lol 30fps in a game that looks like the best paper I’ve ever seen? That’s just reaching hard, like 60fps is sharp, but on a game like this it barely even matters.
i feel like the majority of people are all really hyped for this, but the ungratefull people like complaining. and are probably just more vocal about it.
Basically lol
the switch is like nine years old... chill
I'm more... disappointed by it. I want to support the first alright decision for this franchise in 20 years, but I still have the original, and I think it still looks fine.
The presentation overhaul is very much a: "I sure would hope the game looks better on newer hardware"... but that's all they really have. And it causes the game to run worse. Woah.
I'm missing nothing by skipping the remake (aside from saving money). One of the most influential games for me and its remake leaves me indifferent. It's odd to me.
We could have gotten balance changes (the community has 20 years of hindsight on what's worth using or not), a new Chapter/actual postgame, a new Partner, new Badges (not just a glorified option for the old soundtrack), actual QoL (like Badge Sets that can be saved and loaded as needed, like a romhack of friggin' PM64)...
Instead, I saw people getting excited for... On the fly Partner-switching. I imagine these people didn't have a d-pad on their Gamecube controllers.
...Am I just jaded?
Honestly your take is completely understandable!
I noticed from the very first trailer that the game is in 30fps, and it has annoyed me since. My take on the matter is that I would prefer the graphics to be based around consistent performance rather than the framerate to be based on graphical fidelity. I'll be honest, I'm a sucker for frames. You cannot tell me that they couldn't have made the game look better than the original without having to give up the smoothness of 60fps. Just sad man.
Tbh that’s fair! I can see why you’d say that! Do you think you’ll still end up buying it though? Or is it wraps now?
@@pkshuuu Absolutely. Regardless of how much it bugs me, it IS, at the end of the day, a minor knock against the game. The game looks absolutely stunning compared to the original and all the gameplay mechanics are here and accounted for. So long as it's consistent, the framerate will look more natural the more you play it. I'm not simply going to dismiss the game as a whole over something like this.
@@noelleonhart the most mature take I’ve ever seen on this fr
it's just a vocal minority who are really pissy, the rest is fine with it being 30 fps. Of course 60 fps would have always been better but ultimately won't be an issue
Real!
Honestly let them cry and whine like children it will just drum up more sales any publicity whether good or bad is good for a product whether it’s a video game tv show movie etc
honestly i never understood the 30-60 fps thing since i dont notice a difference NOR DO I FUCKING CARE!
Lol real
It's the natural state of things
If we were told the game ran at 30 FPS the second the game came out, we probably wouldn't have cared 👽
I dont care if others opinions differ- Im fine with the fr, and im fine if it upsets you. Sorry?
Im not angry, moreso annoyed that there is ALWAYS a stupid controversy.
I am absolutley of the mind that 60 is prefferable!
YET 30 was what origami king ran and the animations and game are gorgeous and snappy. 🤷♀️
I can't find a legitamite reason to not be exited.
Like it doesnt even feel like a hit considering the overhaul the rest of the game received!
It feels like people just WANT to be upset, compaining and making a stink about the single downgrade the game gets as if the rest of it isn't enhanced.
I say boo to this mindset.
We can say I wish it was 60 without making it an internet movement or discourse right?
Can we stop acting like a bad attitude will get us what we want? This is only reflective of how people act in their real lives when things arent perfect; the difference is in real life we move forward because it doesnt wait for us, the unneccissary attitude and disperspective only holds us up.
On the internet the problems become stuck in a time bubble and become an echo chamber of discourse.
Im so sick of seeing this, I just want people to be able to complain without it being a flippin call to arms acting like they NEED to be understood and others who dont are just wrong and bad?
Why does this community not accept that people have varying opinions?
Paper mario has a new gimmick almost every single game.
Of course there are different opinions and favorites.
Personally growing up SPM was my favorite! But over time Pm64 and TTYD have become my favorites. I still enjoyed sticker star, color splash, and origami king and credit them based off their merits.
They have some wonderful ideas.
I dont appriciate the limitations imposed on the developers but its not like i am personally offended, its just not something I liked- *in contrast*
To be honest I ENJOYED sticker star! Reflecting on it I didnt enjoy it as the rest of the series which is my personal take.
I still think there are reasons to like that game and be able to enjoy it today, and its my least favorite paper mario. 🤷♀️
I guess what I'm saying is how do yall live a pleasant life with such deeprooted opinions on things that are supppsed to be entertainment?
Video games are literally all I do, if they are offending me or causing me deep irritability *I'm* the one doing something wrong and spending my time focusing on things that get me nowhere.
Just my 2 cents.
Im not trying to belittle the opinion that 60 is superior or would be better because it would be.
Im just wondering why people think others should care so much and why we are putting people in positions of inferiority over something as simple as fr prefrences.
This goes for both sides mind you!
I wish people on the internet would learn how to be better spoken. 😐
Well said! Very well said indeed!
Honestly, this anger is just false anger, and just be glad we're getting this at all because let's be honest the last paper mario games were not that great
Literally! Like origami king was so… not it!
@muskular7 I tried to give Origami King a chance I really did but I couldn't I just couldn't
I like origami king
Well that's just opinionated, and I don't want to say it like it's because of the different generation of paper Mario. I like both the older and newer games (outside of sticker star). Color splash and Origami king are good, though outliers for doing some controversial stuff. (Like Bobby's death)
The Origami King was good
Color Splash could have been better
Sticker Star belongs to the trash bin
Sorry, but whining about framerate is stupid
we have so much other stuff in return: GameCube Badge, backtracking fixed, fast partner swap and incredible visuals and music are great stuff we get in return
just like Mario RPG, Superstar Saga, Mario VS DK and Luigi's Mansion 2, people always find stuff to whine about in those remakes
True that!
@@pkshuuu I never played Paper Mario 64, orginal TTYD and Sticker Star
i probably won't even notice 30 fps
Princess Peach Showtime ran fine at 30
Superstar Saga remake had some character design changes that were really jarring, like the Koopas that looked more generic than in the original even though their Dry Bones version had the old design, stuff like that really ruined that remake. But the TTYD remake is pretty consistently faithful, so it should be good
@@geschnitztekiste4111
I never played the original Superstar Saga, and i like the new remake more, and the music is much better on 3DS
but TTYD doesn't deserve this whining
@@PeachyFanboy Well if you‘ve never played the original of course you’re gonna be biased. I recommend the original, things will make a lot more sense there (like the Bone Donkey Kong who hosts the barrel minigame on the ship who got completely cut in the remake and replaced with a normal skeleton sailor, but they didn’t even bother to change his speech, he still speaks in broken English as a normal guy, it’s honestly bad)
Please turn up the volume, it is very very hard to hear your voice even at max volume
Okie! I’ll make sure my volume is up for my next video! Thank you for telling me!
Listen I'm just happy I get to enjoy this game soon😊 and I hope they put Kirby robot planet on the switch are really miss that game
True that! If they added kirby robot planet to the switch that'd be super cool!
I love your voice
AWWW TYSMMM!! hahaha
Why are we even having pc gamer arguments like this in the first place? I mean, what's next, are we gonna deem these games unplayable because we can't cut trees?
Lol real
cant upgrade their fps yet again...... same issue with all their remake on the switch , so its to be expected at that point
Real!
What about the censorship that is what I am mad about
I’ve been hearing about that! Apparently Vivian is getting changed or something?
Noone else but the loud and annoying 1% actually care about the small line changes
Comment idk
Hell YHEA! Now I can hit my superguards!
I call this kind of hate the "PokeCOD syndrome", everyone shts on the game pre-release -> the game sells extremely well -> 80% of the players don't rage and actually try to enjoy the game they bought -> the other 20% still plays the game hating on it as if they were developers themselves. Go make your game bro... you are still buying (most likely) the next instalment too.
Exactly! Lmaoaoaooo
Plus Nintendo of America is woke so Vivian will be changed to a troon, whereas in the Japanese he was a feminine male, whereas in the English localization Vivian was a regular female. Definitely not getting it.
Wait what??? They’re changing Vivian?? Why???
@@pkshuuu It's not officially confirmed yet, but in Japan Vivian was what's called otokonoko, which is essentially a feminine male. But Nintendo of America is known to be woke, so any character who is male but behaves femininely will almost certainly be put under the transgender umbrella because there's no nuance with modern western identity politics.
@@Vulpas ohhhhh i seeeee
-_- she was trans in the original Europe... She was made full female in North America because transexual in 2004 were taboo... And who cares if Vivian trans -_- like... WHO CARES?! Is a shadowy thing from a fictional race with no faces at all affect you that much... Look the switch is very much moddable. I am sure an original translate without Vivian being trans will be made... Go get it once it out
What a strange reason not to support. This is one character and one aspect of her character that is literally not even brought up (outside of maybe one stray line)… u act like they are going to bring it up every moment they get. It’s not that deep.
It's not an excuse. It should look better and run better. Paper Mario games are supposed to be simplistic to run better on the hardware
Fair enough! I see both sides of the argument
it does run better, its consistant. The gamecube did not have to worry about high graphics and lighting, but also your memory seems to be forgetting how poorly the game handled large crowds of npcs. If anything the remake at a consistant 30 is more stable than the older 60 that couldn't render 100s of npcs without lowering their quality and framerate. Go back and watch crump vs bowser and notice how both armies are less detailed than everyone around them (This is not the only scene that has these low res npcs in them). If the gamecube can't handle having everyone be at the same level of quality then it wasn't exactly doing its job well.
The remake is anything but simplistic, it takes a lot of work to get everything to look good and function properly. It was a choice of having 60fps but with constant dips and issues trying to render everything in top quality, or simply lower the framerate to make everything consistant and smooth. Frame dips would not be the definition of 'running better'
It looks better, runs on 30 fps as a style choice and were getting a remake for one of the best mario rpgs even after Nintendo confirmed that they were done with the old paper mario format. We got new surveys asking people what they liked about paper mario, we have new music for the game and if you dont like the new music for whatever reason, you can obtain an item that lets you switch back to the og soundtrack and sound effects. What exactly am I missing here??? 🗿
You know dang well Nintendo games dont have story 😂. Nah fr good video people shouldn't care. Its not like its an action game its a slow moving RPG. Although if we are getting this for $60 it should have good graphics and frame rate, if not make it cheaper
True lol! I see both sides of the argument tbh both sides are valid
Better than buying the original for $300 on eBay
@@raihanvarghese8553 exactly! Loll
@@raihanvarghese8553Not better than emulation though 😏
higher quality graphics = higher intesity per frame. The better your game looks the harder it will be to make it look good consistantly. If you dont cut the framerate you're going to get a lot of frame dips which would look worse than if it was 30 or had uglier graphics. Consistancy is far superior to havinga slightly smoother animation. The game doesn't move any faster or slower either way... but a frame dip will slow you down and look horrible. Its not like the gamecube didn't have to sacrifice quality to make some of its scenes work. A good framerate is a consistant one, 30 or 60. I would not give up this high quality artstyle just to make it run at 60 and look drab (and potentially dip).
Besides no one actually cares, the gameplay is all we care about.