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Babylon 5: Londo and G'Kar - The shelter within
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Londo and G'Kar talking about their past in a shelter during an attack to the station, in episode 5x04: "A View from the Gallery"
"You did not grow up, you grew old."
This one sentence carries enough truth to warrant its own TV series.
It is criminal that not enough people appreciate how philosophically deep this show is. B5 was a masterpiece of writing.
Did you hear? Stravinsky himself is rebooting it!
@@sportscarman5 nice
"My shoes are too tight. But it does not matter because I have already forgotten how to dance."
@@Crazael that scene actually makes me cry.
I could watch G'Kar and Londo talking and arguing 24 hours a day for a whole century and not get bored. Definitely the best alien characters in sci-fi history.
31hrs a day*
That would exclude Thor and Teal'c, lol.
@@saberiandream316 And Garak, plain, simple Garak.
One of the best duo characters ever written on TV.
Agree.
YES
Londo is my favourite B5 character.
Possibly THE best. In sci-fi definitely.
If only Garak would be in the B5 universe.
The Londo/G'Kar relationship, loved how it went from absolute hatred to almost best friend. In a way, their deaths at each others hands is more out of love and respect than hatred and fear.
+rizon72 Well said. Developing character relations such as this one were to me one of the best things B5 had to offer, among many others. Enemies becoming friends is a strong concept that the series used in a wonderful manner.
Pitty that we did not see friendship between Neroon and Sinclair, that would be priceless too. And the moment Sinclair going in to the past to become Valen, I would loved to see Neroon's face when he realize's that all this time he was dealing with Mimbari hero icon himself. He would probably convert to religious caste after that much sooner, than he did.
Ryszard Nanke Agreed. The two already started to form some amount of respect towards one another, would have been a promising storyline. I have a feeling JMS might have wanted to develop the relation between these two characters further, had circumstances been different.
Londo and G'Kar are a fine example of character development. Seeing them change over time was one of the best parts of this show. It's a shame it's so underrated compared to other shows.
Same with Deleen - when she said her people went mad and nearly killed all of the human race - what she really means is that she was the whip hand encouraging that she too had a lot of personal growth.
Not when Sheridan says he went from being the enemy of the Minbari to loving one - the look on her face is quite complex - as if she's remembering the time she would have looked on Sheridan as an enemy too.
"You carry your shelter with you... every day _ you did not grow up, you grew old" ... you can tell that got to Londo!
It got to me as well..
From anyone else, or to anyone else, "you did not grow up, you grew old" would be considered an insult. But between these two it is a declaration of personal recognition/understanding of one to another.
Season 5 may not have been great but seeing G’Kar be mellow and at peace with himself after so much hardship and strife was always great.
You can't deny that Londo and G'Kar have chemistry. They're like two sides of the same coin. G'Kar starts off with power and loses it, but in the process, he finds his true self. Londo starts off with very little power, but loses himself when he eventually "gets" everything he ever wanted. They highlight the age old truth that the external world never brings happiness or growth. It comes from within and requires personal struggle.
"Isn't it strange, G'kar? When we first met I had no power and all the choices I could ever want, and now I have all the power I could ever want and no choices at all...no choice at all."
I wish this clip had included the actual ending of this scene, with the camera panning away from the departing Londo and G'Kar to focus on two maintenance men who have been listening the whole time, and one commenting, "...How long have those two been a married couple?".
Ah - I remember the episode. This was a really great one - just from the perspective of those two janitors.
@@robertnett9793 Their names were Mack and Bo. It would have been great to see them from time to time if the show had gone longer.
No one has ever been dumb enough to call me a racist, but if they ever do I will tell them the story of lango and g'kar.
@@kblskables2877 Sadly, if they are dumb enough to call you a racist, then they will probably be to dumb to understand the story of Londo and G'Kar.
@@tomjustis7237 He lives in an alternate universe.
And, oh, poor Londo, the Universe hadn't even started with you yet.
What a tragic character, what a story!
+brav0wing Ayup, and the most tragic thing of all might be that he had a little voice of reason and enlightenment speaking to him asking, begging, pleading for him to do the right thing all along. Instead he didn't listen to it, belittled it, used it for his own ends, and was envious of it.
+Debonair Damsel
But in the end he took the way of redemption as Lady Morella prophesied.
Did he though? Centauri Prime was still in ruins with its people suffering. At a glance, the man who is already dead seems like it easily could be Sheridan, but what if it was actually Morden? What if Londo hadn't killed Morden?
The one who has everything, and has nothing. Or the one who has nothing and everything..
@@InfernosReaper In the novel at least he brought enough time playing the Drake games that vir built a army in secret that were able to disable the nukes and free his people.
That duo is just... well, they have been through a lot. Together. Against each other. Such bonds are broken only through death. And so did it end.
No. Death itself is powerless against a bond like theirs.
0:42 "Mr. Morden and the Shadow War, mass drivers against my people, overseeing my torture, kicking me off the council WHILE bombing my home world, do I need to go on?" Such communication with a glance.
"Too soon?" LOL
No. He wasn't " overseeing " G'Kar's torture. He was forced to watch. There is a world of difference.
From being political rivals, to hating each other, to trying to kill each other one several occasions, Londo and G'Kar have grown to like and respect each other throughout the entire series, and it's moments like these that make all the rivalry worth while! Because at the end of the series, when the two of them are dead and don't appear in the finale, you can look back and remember all the back and forth the two make and know that they died as friends........trying to kill each other one last time...
G'kar killing Londo to free him from his keeper/ that is real love.
That's morbid.
@@saberiandream316 Not necessarily. Londo, ironically, was a slave. In the absence of an escape, the release of death was the only freedom he'd ever get. It was an act of mercy.
All these years past and this series, this show is still magic. No sci-fi other show has come close since.
I agree. It's like seeing an old friend when I watch these clips.
@@standupp2885 I totally get what you said.
I watched DS9 for the first time two years ago. It never came close to Babylon 5. BSG remake was just.........too dark.
Cough, Stargate.
What is so amazing about this scene is the little things. The fact that G'kar said none of this will hate in his tone, but merely as how it was, that he had learned to not project what Londo's people did to his onto Londo. Then you see in Londo's eyes as G'kar spoke of what his people did to the Narns a sense of shame for what had been done, and sorrow for what G'kar had to endure. Even as G'kar spoke of how Londo never grew up merely grew old it was less of a jab, or snide comment, but more him being sorry for Londo for never being able to experience being a child an growing up like G'kar had.
An amazingly accurate reflection on the character of Mallari: "You didn't grow up, you grew old"
That Dynamic between Londo and G`Kar was one of the best things in the entire Series.
My shoes are too tight.
And I've forgotten how to dance..
Lord T. And I have forgotten how to dance
my shoes are too tight. But it's fine, this Narn is teaching me how to dance
But it does not matter,
For I have forgotten how to dance.
Those, to me, are the more revelatory parts of that scene :)
Ziggy McDougal my sentiments exactly
These Babylon5 clips are comforting.
That they are indeed..
Like old friends.
The character arc between these two is just a joy to watch, from start to finish.
I would have watched a whole season with just Londo and G'Kar talking.
I remember in the 70's as a child, a TV show called the Odd Couple ... living in he same apartment - I'm imagining that LOL ruclips.net/video/45pfnGEkDe0/видео.html&ab_channel=ChiefScheider
@@hairyrichardson8921 Literally made me think of this: ruclips.net/video/OHx6vEv6GKs/видео.html
The development of these two characters individually and with each other is pure gold.
The two best Characters on T.V. They both had their moments when they become one of those Characters you can't wait to see what is happening.
I love their relationship in the later seasons, this sort of grudging, wary respect for each other that evolved into something I doubt either of them would have been willing to call "friendship", at least not while the other was in earshot.
Well, once... "but I...can forgive...you"
Londo grew up in the Royal Palace, his surroundings were much prettier than G'Kars, but the gilded cage is still a cage. In a way it was even worse than G'Kar's life, all that was expected of him was that he survive, Londo's world required far more expectations
This series embodies everything modern cinema and television lacks. The ability for two people, two great actors, to simply sit in a cheap, cardboard room and convincingly delivery poignant lines, to where you not only believe they are real characters, and not actors, but that the cheap carboard set is a room in a space station 5 miles long in outer space in the future....that is true talent, and true storytelling my friends, of a kind I fear we won't ever see again.
I have great fear the new B5 reboot will be among the likes of "The Lost Tales" or "Tales of the Rangers", both flops in the attempt to catch lightning twice. I hope I am wrong, and it's a great success. But I'm fearful it will only further bury Babylon 5 except among those of us who know the greatness of the original production.
This is where Lando and G'Kar went from being a married couple on the rocks, to a married couple that learned to accept each other.
That little laugh from Londo at the end is what seals it, really.
Though that does make me wonder, what does Timov think of this?
Babylon 5 was an amazing show. I really appreciated how the writers molded their two characters from race enemies into a deep, complex friendship. Classy show, all the way. Thank you, B5, for informing My imagination.
The last 5 years has been very hard, but watching these two adversaries slowly become friends gives me hope that one day we will all learn to coexist in peace.
Don‘t forget, that in the end they sadly but inevitably strangled each other to death.
Londo and G'Kar, the best frenimies in the entire galaxy right up until the end when both strangle each other to death because of Londo being possessed by a Keeper
Think Londo knew it and planned it he always planned things ren steps ahead and I dont think G’Kar rather liked haveing to do that but he knew Londo would rather have him do it then anyone else
@Wenchework he kept the keeper asleep through alcohol consumption. It wasn't till after the keeper realized that it was gonna die when it forced Londo to strangle G'kar. In the end they died as they both sought to live, free from a cycle of war and hate so their peoples could have peace.
This was an amazing show.
They're mutual hatred and eventual friendship was the best part of the show.
I don't think, in the entire course of their relationship that Londo and G'kar were friends, I don't think they ever 'liked' each other, but the true brilliance of the writing of the show, and these two astouding actors, is that they were able to portray these two coming to understand, and more importantly, to respect each other for who and what they were. Friendship is easy to convey, but what they did with Londo and G'Kar through the course of the series is truly amazing..
I loved this scene, it showed how far they had come since the beginning. They are able to compare each other's lives without any racial, or species bias. This series is full of such wisdom.
This happens to be one of my favorite episodes of the series and one of the most memorable since it offers a new perspective and this scene right here. Londo and G'Kar are the best.
besides the scene in the elevator. that was hilarious
I think the best line that sums up the Londo/G'kar relationship is when Londo says "and I didn't even know we were married!" he said it during that episode with the B-5 crew fixing and cleaning things. I think.
he said that to doctor franklin. it was the episode where Londo's arrive on the station
THIS is the episode with the crew, and they were the ones who said something like that here.
one of my favorite episodes.. "she remembered my name"
And the fact that that incredible actress was killed by pretty much a fucking mosquito....
Remarkable relationship these two had.
Perhaps my favorite of the entire series.
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One of the best episodes of this whole, brilliant series.
The relationship between these two is extremely complex and I can appreciate their bond as a living being, as someone who appreciates a good story, and someone who appreciates the concept of people understanding each other. This was what made Babylon 5 so good.
It is a damn shame that Andreas Katsulas is dead because he and Peter Jurasic made a great double-team as G'Kar and Londo Molar.
Never give up the fun things in life, all the things that make you happy, no matter how childish they seem to others. The day you give up all those fun things to "become and adult" is the day you die inside and become just another cog in the machine of life.
I died a long time ago, it seems..
G'Kar and Londo are one of the best characters/actors in Babylon 5! This is perhaps one of the best scenes of them in the series! I love how their relationship evolved from enemies to best friends! RIP Andreas Katsulas! :(
My grandma, who didn't speak a whole lot of English, once walked in on me watching this scene and actually had a profound little reaction. She said (not fully understanding what they were saying or what was going on) that it was pleasant listening to them.
It's a very fond memory I have of her now. To me this show transcends just being another show.
It does. It's something truly special, unlike anything else out there.
@@Silanael I am also aware how hokey and 1990s it can sometimes be. But to me when it comes to the storyarc, the revelations and the individual characters and their arcs, this show is unmatched in quality. There are shows which look better, there are shows that also have great actors, there are shows that have individual episodes that are better than any individual episode of B5 on its own, IMO, but as a whole, this show is my favorite and imo best written sci fi show out there.
I agree. Everything has its flaws, but B5 as a whole is a coherent, high-quality whole that is comparable to a good book, a story thought from beginning to the end that follows the same vision throughout the seasons. The amount of depth and emotionality remains striking even to this day.@@fgdj2000
They saved each other's spirit and soul. By walking down the dark paths they each had made for themselves it was the other that guided the other back.
It's a pity their peoples were not able to follow their example.
@ethenallen1388 As long as the Narn follow the book of G'kar and the Centauri follow the example of Emperor Vir then maybe in time they could have.
You can see the love and admiration they have for eachother in this clip, better than most I think. GOD I MISS THIS SHOW!!!!
It doesn't matter who they pick, these characters will never again be captured so elegantly.
Quark and Odo never came close,.....
He talks about not having a childhood, his most memorable scene is telling his children the story of the Earth Minbar War
They're not his children. That's a very important detail - Londo never had children and never would.
It's been years since I saw the series, but I have strong memories of how good these two characters, and indeed actors, are.
They really have a lot of depth to them.
Great stuff.
The fact of the matter is, enemies are usually enemies, because they really don't know their rival, and harbor grudges passed down to them from their parents and ancestors.
Seems more like the Universe keeps putting these two together in rooms, in cells, in beds beside one another. You'd think the Universe was having it's own little laugh at them :D
+Aki Greus LOL. The guy Arthur Dent kept killing by accident. God that was so funny.
The universe ships Londo x G'kar
@Natasel I think they fought a war about that...
@Natasel Londo. G'Kar was always a more highly evolved being.
The chemistry these two had was incredible.
The heart and soul of this show.
the ways in which i can relate to both characters in this scene......
I can as well..
My favorite episode. Where the 2 mechanics are the focus of the show
satimber A you want to try half of my SPOO sandwich?
Everyone knows that you can't get good spoo here!
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead
Londo and G'Kar are probably the best two characters in the series. I could easily see the two of them spending the rest of their lives as the closest of friends after all they've gone through together, but still keeping that antagonistic vibe the whole time.
Two of the best TV characters ever portrayed.
G’Kar: the Philosopher-Priest...
The best episode of the final season
"Your people constantly tried to take my life, so I got used to it being in danger!"
"I was never permitted to have the luxury of a life, so I grew used to not having one."
"On second thought, singing underground was fun!"
Mo: How long do yo think they've been married?
That was the best line in the scene.
Yes! I had forgotten about that lol. Isn't it amasing? After all of these years, to be able to remember not just some trivial character but their lines as well.... That proves just how great Babylon 5 truly was.
I just watched this episode tonight and I loved that line so much.
Gotta love G'Kar and Londo. Best characters in the series, hands down.
A View From The Gallery is one of my favorite episodes.
:43-the ultimate "Really?" look. RIP Andreas.
And done through heavy facial prosthetics without eyebrows.
You can see the hurt on lando face as gkar tells him about growing up on his world doin the Centauri occupation
i can only imagine at the amount of slash fics that would exist if this was a more modern series.
I bet it still exists. Old series get that too.
JMS wrote one as a prank on Andreas.
My poor Londo, I know just how you feel.
I love these two and their interactions. I always felt badly about how horrible skewed their friendship got over time, they became friends, but politics and war and the callings of their people fractured those bonds here and there, it was a tumultuous friendship in many ways.
londo: afraid i won't come back, g'kar?
g'kar: no. i'm afraid you will.
londo: :D
I don't think I appreciated this show enough when it was on the air.
Never too late to give it a go (again)!
When comparing Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5, people often think that Kira's equivalent here would Ivonava, but it might actually be G'Kar! Would that make Gul Dukat into Londo?
But Dukat was far less sympathetic.
that line " u didnt grow up you grew old " such good writing
Best script writers ever!
The relationship between those two is one of the best things about Babylon 5. In Season 1, you see Londo's vision of his death at G'kar's hands, and you think it is a very natural ending for them. But when it happens for real, it is exactly the opposite of what you expected.
In the end it was a mercy killing.
True, I wish there were more, I don't usually read slash fics, but G'Kar/Lando ones are so cute I can't resist. :)
one of the best episodes in the BF5.
Reminds me a lady I used to work with. I was an out loud proud hippie atheist gay liberal and she was a conservative christian we used to trade fun barbs all day long.
A few things....sold yourself to the shadows, which ruined Narn/Centauri relations, led to the bombing of the Narn Homeworld, almost destroyed Centauri Prime during the Shadow War, then came the Drakh incursion. A few things indeed....
Narn/Centauri relations were already in tatters. He couldn't have known the Emperor's plan. He didn't even know they were the Shadows, perse, until he was already trying to disentangle himself from them. But then they manipulated him, and it all went haywire. :P
What an amazing scene
an imperfect yet perfect pair.
Their religion is a very interesting part of the characters and that gives them a lot of life (and reasons to poke each other).
In the end, it was G'Kar's "Book of G'Quan" that had the most accurate descriptions of the Shadows and Londo's religion (caricatural as all other aspects of Centauri day-by-day life) gave us lots of smiles all through the show.
I would not poke their religions. :D
From fiercest of enemies to bros.
I always thought the Lando/G'Kar relationship was one of the most interesting on TV
"Where Did You Grow Up?" almost as important a question as "Who Are You?" and "What Do You Want?" alongside "How the Hell Do I Put This Bookshelf Together?" and "When Is Lunch?"
No one lays down a hard truth like G'Kar.
I remember this episode. It is presented from the point of view from 2 low ranking B5 staff.
they are like an old married couple. i love it.
Triforce on the wall
There are some scenes with Londo and G'Kar where I have to question if they had a script or just ad-libbed the whole thing. The scene where those 2 are stuck in the elevator after an explosion and G'Kar watches Londo trying to escape after he wakes up is a prime example.
ad-libbing was rare and was often done for blooper reels. sometimes the actor as in the case of the elevator made the case to do something different then what was in the script. Andreas argued that having G'kar not be serious at the situation but giddy at seeing Londo die would be much better.
Londo just had a pretty cage
Sci-fi's version of Felix and Oscar, the Odd Couple. I feel so dated.
Sincerely, I think JMS views the B5 Universe by the eyes of those two best enemies. :)
Just as long as they don't go poking the bushes and plants to release the holy power of their Dieties.
I think that is just the Drazi - They are not the sharpest tools in the box.
This episode is surprisingly fun for a filler.
awww you cut the best response for all of those conversations: "How long you'd figured they've been married?"
Londo was whiny but he eventually became a good man. G'Kar was the main reason for that
I still remember the season one quote where someone noted that if they were to marry, the universe would be utterly screwed.
Absolutely!
This was back when writers knew how to write. Now days it seems all of them have forgotten how to ever write their own name.
People said the same thing when this was written, about this. That it was modern trash and what was written before was better. The fact is there are gems written in every generation, but you generally have to wait for the perspective of hindsight to spot them. Even then, some remain hidden, lost classics that were never unearthed.
Look into the expanse its well written.
Every generation says this and every generation is wrong. There is talent in every generation, but it's the minority. The vast majority of everything made in all time periods is trash. The thing about trash, is that no one keeps it. It gets thrown away and forgotten. So when we look at the trash being made now, and then look back and the very, very few thing made then that we still remember because it's not trash, we mistakenly think that things were better back then. It's not true. We just having thrown away the modern trash yet, so it's harder to see the treasure buried in it. It's still there, though.
@@AnonEyeMouse Sounds like something G'Kar would have said.
@@AnonEyeMouse Yes and no. In generell people tend to discard the new and romantacise the old. Nontheless it from time to time can hold some truths. Compare it with what is considered the best at the moment and you can somewhat make the case. BSG had some flair of B5 and The Expanse is considered the best at the moment. While i love the Expanse for many reasons it has not the overall depth of B5. B5 had everything in it and dealt with everything on a pretty deep level. Sure influenced by what was valued at this time but nonetheless very broad spectrum. The Expanse has many pluses but noth that scale and depth. I can not make a ideal or universal statement about it but by comparing what is considered the best you at least have some ground to walk on. And for the reasons? I cant tell. Is it that the audiance want something different (audiance dont know what they want until they see it) is it about money you can earn with it, is it because values shifted that much or is it because our streamlined education is pure garbage and we produced bleaker people who get the feeling of a revelation if you start to connect some dots. Who knows; i do not.
This is an interesting scene, for starters the dialogue is amazing but also they decided to film this handheld and with a wide angle lens, I wonder if that was stylistic or because it was a small set.
Londo Mollari and G'Kar ARE the main characters in the show. Did not you see how, one way or another, they are ALWAYS by the center of every major issue?
If the Universe is thorn apart, each of them will be in one of the opposite sides, discretly playing central roles.
When victory finally comes out of misery it is them you see commenting on one corner of the room... the dark and unintresting corner where things have begun and ended without most people knowing of it.
Theirs is the plot! ;)