@@suavehouse5150 I just put the 315/75/16 atx on my suburban and got them for 900 dollars mounted and balanced and I really highly recommend them and they look amazing way more traction then the ko2s I think
Thrifty Garage I would agree. I don’t think they’re a ton more expensive; I’m looking at 275/65R20’s, and they’re within $20-$25 per tire. Perhaps other sizes have a greater disparity.
@@Icutmetal Historically in certain sizes I've looked at compared to the KO2 the Grabbers (including the predecessor of the ATX the AT2) can have nearly $100 difference in price between the two. If the ATX is truly an improvement on the AT2 there's no question to most the Grabbers are the better value. Many reviews (especially on Tire Rack) are from people who previously owned KO2s and moved to the Grabbers.
little harder,ish comparison as grabbers come in p rated sizes,thinner sidewalls,. giving smoother ride and lighter.ko2,s only come in l.t. sized.thicker side walls.stiffer ride,heavier.,robbing power and fuel mileage. must compare grabbers in l.t.size to be fair..
Honestly I’ve never purchased a set of new BFG tires. I’ve always wanted to but the premium cost was always hard to justify. I did purchase a set of used KO2s that were at the end of their life and they were lousy in wet and snowy conditions. Even though they had some tread they acted like a drag slick around corners.
Look great. I have a 2017 SR5P and debating on staying at stock size or moving up to 275 for either these or the Falken WIldpeaks. Do you have any lift, etc? My worry is rubbing if I go higher.
Depends on the tire manufacturer. I have a stock suspension. I looked up the specifications from the manufacturer to ensure the actual tire height and width would not interfere. TireRack.com has some good I formation. These are 32.2"x11" according to their website.
I have a stock 2019 TRD Off Road 4Runner. I get 19.5 MPG. Looking at staying stock size tire or 275. What do you think my MPG will drop to? Grabbers are heavy tires just like Falken’s are. My only other choice for a light weight 275 is a Firestone Destination AT in 275/70R17 C load. Scared to go to a E Load because of tire weight.
You will definitely see a drop in mpg if you install a heavier tire. The factory tire is very light even when compared to similar tires in the same size and load rating. Likely a big contributor to how Toyota has achieved the higher mpg to begin with. Also if you increase tire size your speedometer will be off. It will also affect your mpg because the mileage will be slightly off.
I have several newer videos you can check out if you are seriously considering this tire. I will briefly answer your questions but since my tires are oversized and heavier duty (Load Range E) my experience might be a result of the modifications beyond stock and not the tires’ fault. Road noise some, but not bad, better with 5,000 miles rotations. Yes, mpg loss mostly due to extra weight. Probably lost 2 mpg over the crappy stock tires.
1500? I'm assuming with an 8 ply you are load range D. Manufacturer recommended tire pressure should be labeled inside the driver door jam. Should be around 32 psi for the front and 35 psi for the rear.
I don't have a tread depth gauge, but they still look like new. They probably have around 10-15,000 miles on them. I did start to develop some cupping and uneven wear. But a simple rotation resolved that. I'd recommend rotating every 5,000 miles.
Sadly the 4Runner is mostly a family vehicle and a grocery getter. We used to take our previous 4Runner and Tacoma to Moab on the off-road trails yearly. It's mostly a pavement queen. The times I have taken it off pavement it has performed excellent. We were actually passing through Moab a few weeks ago and hit up some quick trails. No noticeable cutting or chipping.
I was gonna get these tires for my 1991 xj but then I found out that they are made in Mexico so I decided to go with bf Goodrich tires. (Buy American made).
Stock. But you have to be careful. I use resources such as tiresize.com and tirerack.com for research. There are fitment variations even with different brands in the exact same size. Also, there are usually resources available for vehicle specific oversized tire size and what is likely to fit without rubbing and what size requires minor modifcations. I selected both this tire and size based on that research. This was the largest size tire that would fit without a lift or other mods. If you are unsure some tire shops will actually test fit larger tires for you and see if you have the correct clearance from fenders and suspension components.
Thanks for vid have a 2019 4runner and was looking at ATX, KO2, AND FALKEN AT3W but your running exact size i want and them being studded is a big plus can't wait to put them on. What gas mileage do you see with this size tire i average 14mpg or a little under
These are load range E so a bit heavier than load range C. Average 15-16 mpg with my wife driving; I get probably 1-2 mpg less. This is a huge improvement over the stock tire. This is a tight fit. No rubbing that I have experienced. But I would be slightly concerned that studs would rub in this size.
I don't have a tread depth gauge, but they still look like new. They probably have around 10-15,000 miles on them. I did start to develop some cupping and uneven wear. But a simple rotation resolved that. I'd recommend rotating every 5,000 miles.
Good enough that I just put a new set on my Silverado work truck! I think these are one of the most under discovered tires on the market. I've yet to put a full 50,000 miles on them so that will be the ultimate test. But so far they have been excellent. Only recommendation would be to rotate every 5k miles.
I've never had a rubbing issue. That doesn't mean every 4Runner won't rub. Stock suspension and stock wheels. Different tires in the exact same size may very well rub due to inconsistencies in actual dimensions.
I got 315/75/16 and I'm running them at 38 psi depends on your truck but 35 to 40 psi is what my tire guy recommend I hope that helps I'm really happy with this tire
Nope! Every vehicle is a little different as well as each tire is a little bit different in actual dimensions. I compared the specs of what has worked for other 4Runners as well as this tire specifically before determining this size.
When I first installed them they were surprisingly quiet for how deep the lugs were, as well as the semi aggressive tread pattern. I need to do a 10,000 mile review video; they started cupping, which was maybe preventable if I would have rotated the tires sooner. Needless to say once the cupped tires were moved to the rear they were noticeably loud. Now that they have another few hundred miles on them they have become more quiet.
That's pretty small. What vehicle are you putting them on? I'm sure they have a size that is close and would fit. Talk to your local tire shop about the right size for you. I did a ton of research and calculations on size and weight before purchasing. Sizes even vary between tire manufacturers.
@@tigerbalm666 Here is a great resource that i used when choosing my tire size (slightly larger than stock): tiresize.com/tires/General/Grabber-AT-X.htm. Looks like you could go with a 225/75 R16 which would be slightly smaller than stock. I'm not sure how much larger than stock you can fit without rubbing.
Guys please enough with the ko2's. There over rated and over priced. There only good for half the tread life. After that there slicks. Move on boys and get some real tires like the grabbers atx.
Thanks for replying. I did enjoy the video definitely one of the better review I just bought a set of these tires and just wanted to know what to expect.
Here is a link to the GENERAL GRABBER ATX Tire 265/70R17 121S E-ply: amzn.to/2Ieg7JE
Hey, thank you so much for packing a real review in a short amount of time. It is tiring to sit through 10+ min videos of people rambling nonsense.
I did my best! Can't say I kept my towing tire video under 5 minutes. Perhaps I will try to keep the 10-15,000 mile review video on the short side.
Thanks
I just bought a set for my ram.. and love them so far
having these installed on my 4runner today! thanks for the review!
A good honest review..in regards to size/weight / mpg is appreciated.
I sell tons of these , my favorite A/T by far!
Alfredo Parra
Price on 315/75r16?
Most online retailers sell that size for around $236/tire.
And by comparison they are way cheaper than tires they contend with.
@@suavehouse5150 I just put the 315/75/16 atx on my suburban and got them for 900 dollars mounted and balanced and I really highly recommend them and they look amazing way more traction then the ko2s I think
I've looked at BFGs, coopers, and others and I'm definitely putting these on my jeep
Great review, I've ordered these tires and I'm looking forward to them!
Be sure and Subscribe and hit the notification bell. I have some upcoming tire videos in the near future including a long term review on this tire.
I’d love to see an unbiased, back to back test/review between the ATX & KO2.
Sounds like it would make for great content. I'd be willing to bet they are fairly similar. Too bad the KO2 is so much more $.
Thrifty Garage I would agree. I don’t think they’re a ton more expensive; I’m looking at 275/65R20’s, and they’re within $20-$25 per tire. Perhaps other sizes have a greater disparity.
@@Icutmetal Historically in certain sizes I've looked at compared to the KO2 the Grabbers (including the predecessor of the ATX the AT2) can have nearly $100 difference in price between the two. If the ATX is truly an improvement on the AT2 there's no question to most the Grabbers are the better value. Many reviews (especially on Tire Rack) are from people who previously owned KO2s and moved to the Grabbers.
They have been awesome tires! 😎
little harder,ish comparison as grabbers come in p rated sizes,thinner sidewalls,. giving smoother ride and lighter.ko2,s only come in l.t. sized.thicker side walls.stiffer ride,heavier.,robbing power and fuel mileage. must compare grabbers in l.t.size to be fair..
Love how they look..!!
Thanks for the sub!
Dang good video!!! To the point just like I like them!
Just got these 3 days ago installed on my new 2021 Toyota Tacoma 4x4
What size and load rating?
Nice. My 99 Jeep XJ needs tires pretty soon. I may pickup a set of these.
Put some 31s on my 96 xj and LOVE them!!
I'm planning on buying a 4Runner SR5 Premium. Will put these tires on them. :)
The 4Runner SR5 and the trail and the TRD off-road come with a P series 265 70 17 tire, not a C rated 6 ply.
Thanks for this!
NE care to comment on how these compare with the universally beloved BFG All-Terrain?
(not the K02, but the normal "All-Terrain"?)
Honestly I’ve never purchased a set of new BFG tires. I’ve always wanted to but the premium cost was always hard to justify. I did purchase a set of used KO2s that were at the end of their life and they were lousy in wet and snowy conditions. Even though they had some tread they acted like a drag slick around corners.
Look great. I have a 2017 SR5P and debating on staying at stock size or moving up to 275 for either these or the Falken WIldpeaks. Do you have any lift, etc? My worry is rubbing if I go higher.
Depends on the tire manufacturer. I have a stock suspension. I looked up the specifications from the manufacturer to ensure the actual tire height and width would not interfere. TireRack.com has some good I formation. These are 32.2"x11" according to their website.
I have a stock 2019 TRD Off Road 4Runner. I get 19.5 MPG. Looking at staying stock size tire or 275. What do you think my MPG will drop to? Grabbers are heavy tires just like Falken’s are. My only other choice for a light weight 275 is a Firestone Destination AT in 275/70R17 C load. Scared to go to a E Load because of tire weight.
You will definitely see a drop in mpg if you install a heavier tire. The factory tire is very light even when compared to similar tires in the same size and load rating. Likely a big contributor to how Toyota has achieved the higher mpg to begin with. Also if you increase tire size your speedometer will be off. It will also affect your mpg because the mileage will be slightly off.
Thumbs up. Good review
Thank you lobbyrobby!
Can you comment on highway noise and handling with these tires? Any mpg loss?
I have several newer videos you can check out if you are seriously considering this tire. I will briefly answer your questions but since my tires are oversized and heavier duty (Load Range E) my experience might be a result of the modifications beyond stock and not the tires’ fault. Road noise some, but not bad, better with 5,000 miles rotations. Yes, mpg loss mostly due to extra weight. Probably lost 2 mpg over the crappy stock tires.
What air pressure do you recommend/ 275-60-20 8ply 2019 GMC Sierra
1500? I'm assuming with an 8 ply you are load range D. Manufacturer recommended tire pressure should be labeled inside the driver door jam. Should be around 32 psi for the front and 35 psi for the rear.
@@ThriftyGarage door says 35 so that will work
How many miles and tread depth now? Have you taken them off road ?
I don't have a tread depth gauge, but they still look like new. They probably have around 10-15,000 miles on them. I did start to develop some cupping and uneven wear. But a simple rotation resolved that. I'd recommend rotating every 5,000 miles.
Sadly the 4Runner is mostly a family vehicle and a grocery getter. We used to take our previous 4Runner and Tacoma to Moab on the off-road trails yearly. It's mostly a pavement queen. The times I have taken it off pavement it has performed excellent. We were actually passing through Moab a few weeks ago and hit up some quick trails. No noticeable cutting or chipping.
I was gonna get these tires for my 1991 xj but then I found out that they are made in Mexico so I decided to go with bf Goodrich tires. (Buy American made).
Thrifty garage, you said those 275 tires
Dont rub is there a leveling kit on your
4runner? Or is it stock? Thanks for the video
Stock. But you have to be careful. I use resources such as tiresize.com and tirerack.com for research. There are fitment variations even with different brands in the exact same size. Also, there are usually resources available for vehicle specific oversized tire size and what is likely to fit without rubbing and what size requires minor modifcations. I selected both this tire and size based on that research. This was the largest size tire that would fit without a lift or other mods. If you are unsure some tire shops will actually test fit larger tires for you and see if you have the correct clearance from fenders and suspension components.
Do they look nice and aggressive in person?
They are fairly aggressive. Definitely aggressive when compared to the stock tires.
Doesn’t it come with upraising white letterings?
I prefer the black sidewalls, but yes you can have the white letters facing outward.
Thanks for vid have a 2019 4runner and was looking at ATX, KO2, AND FALKEN AT3W but your running exact size i want and them being studded is a big plus can't wait to put them on. What gas mileage do you see with this size tire i average 14mpg or a little under
These are load range E so a bit heavier than load range C. Average 15-16 mpg with my wife driving; I get probably 1-2 mpg less. This is a huge improvement over the stock tire. This is a tight fit. No rubbing that I have experienced. But I would be slightly concerned that studs would rub in this size.
@@ThriftyGarage thanks for reply can't wait to grab them thanks for the info I want a pair for my truck as well this is what i want the studs on
How is your tread depth as of now?
I don't have a tread depth gauge, but they still look like new. They probably have around 10-15,000 miles on them. I did start to develop some cupping and uneven wear. But a simple rotation resolved that. I'd recommend rotating every 5,000 miles.
Good succinct review!
Thank you!
“Go buy yourself a set of these” - Sub’d!
How are they holding up?
Good enough that I just put a new set on my Silverado work truck! I think these are one of the most under discovered tires on the market. I've yet to put a full 50,000 miles on them so that will be the ultimate test. But so far they have been excellent. Only recommendation would be to rotate every 5k miles.
what s the difference between Atx and AT3?? please help
Do they run narrow?
They are oversized from stock. They appear wider to me.
So you say it doesn’t rub? Someone told me it does rub when trying to reverse.. true?
I've never had a rubbing issue. That doesn't mean every 4Runner won't rub. Stock suspension and stock wheels. Different tires in the exact same size may very well rub due to inconsistencies in actual dimensions.
Bought these love em so far what psi is everyone running I have 315 70 17 says 65 psi max
I got 315/75/16 and I'm running them at 38 psi depends on your truck but 35 to 40 psi is what my tire guy recommend I hope that helps I'm really happy with this tire
Did you have any tire rubbing issues?
Nope! Every vehicle is a little different as well as each tire is a little bit different in actual dimensions. I compared the specs of what has worked for other 4Runners as well as this tire specifically before determining this size.
Are they noise ?
When I first installed them they were surprisingly quiet for how deep the lugs were, as well as the semi aggressive tread pattern. I need to do a 10,000 mile review video; they started cupping, which was maybe preventable if I would have rotated the tires sooner. Needless to say once the cupped tires were moved to the rear they were noticeably loud. Now that they have another few hundred miles on them they have become more quiet.
Thanks a lot
Thrifty Garage . Grabbers seem to have the cupping problem
Not availing in 235/75/16....sucks! WTF?
That's pretty small. What vehicle are you putting them on? I'm sure they have a size that is close and would fit. Talk to your local tire shop about the right size for you. I did a ton of research and calculations on size and weight before purchasing. Sizes even vary between tire manufacturers.
@@ThriftyGarage Stock Jeep Liberty size.
@@tigerbalm666 Here is a great resource that i used when choosing my tire size (slightly larger than stock): tiresize.com/tires/General/Grabber-AT-X.htm. Looks like you could go with a 225/75 R16 which would be slightly smaller than stock. I'm not sure how much larger than stock you can fit without rubbing.
Guys please enough with the ko2's. There over rated and over priced. There only good for half the tread life. After that there slicks. Move on boys and get some real tires like the grabbers atx.
Sound scripted 🧐🧐🧐
Yea, I did a voiceover on this one. It helps me keep my videos shorter and to the point. Hope you enjoyed it.
Thanks for replying. I did enjoy the video definitely one of the better review
I just bought a set of these tires and just wanted to know what to expect.
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