Frame Trap Episode 92 - "Journeys Both Old And New"
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Ben, Brandon, and Kyle talk about the journeys they've been on with different games including Indivisible, Dragon Quest XI S, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, and more! There is also considerable discussion about Blizzard's response to the recent Blitzchung controversy.
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05:36 - Dragon Quest VIII / Dragon Quest XI S
38:37 - Ghost Recon: Breakpoint
01:06:14 - Caught in a Frame Trap: How well do you know the Ultimate Alliance 3 roster?
01:28:00 - Indivisible
01:47:21 - Kyle's experience with GB Studio and what it was like to make a game
02:08:49 - HOTTAKE: How do we feel about Blizzard's response to the Blitzchung controversy?
02:50:00 - Emails
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I really appreciate that Kyle asks questions even if he hasn't played the game the other person is talking about. Sometimes frame trap can get awkward when only Ben and one other person is talking while the third is sitting in silence. Also for some reason I want to see Kyle dress up as Freddy Krueger for Halloween. I don't know why.
I know we all love Kyle but I'm not sure we appreciate how good he is at the subtle art of conversation for entertainment/podcast purposes
Skip the Frametraps with Brad/Blood then :p sometimes I think EZA has great potential, but since the patreon's working well, they never analyze why a podcast/review has more views than another, or some have more negative comments.
I honestly only listen to Kyle Frame Traps now. He makes the podcast so much more dynamic. Especially for podcasts that are so long, that dynamism is essential.
Well said! This could the reason why I love the EZA podcast even after three and a half years but my enjoyment of Frame Trap has steadily dropped, now to the point where I sometimes skip whole episodes. I'm not sure if the reason is because Kyle is particularly excellent at podcasting, if the other allies need to improve, if Ben dominates the conversation too much, or if the Frame Trap format simply isn't conducive to much discussion. Maybe Frame Trap needs a shake-up, as the only major change I can recall since it started was the panel switching from four to three people. The EZA podcast has stayed fresh after all this time because Kyle is constantly tweaking things like opening segments while also having "seasonal" segments like pop tarts/toaster strudels or the desire index. Even changes like moving corrections to the end, which many people (including myself) didn't like, is ultimately beneficial as it keeps the audience engaged. Or it could just be that the EZA podcast is inherently more dynamic as it is a news podcast where the topics are constantly changing.
I don't want to come off as too harsh, I still like Frame Trap a lot, but a shake-up in format wouldn't hurt.
Kyle's great for this in the main podcast as well. I think he's just got a knack for pushing conversations further without it being contrived or forced.
Nothing better than listening to a 3+ hour Frame Trap on a cold, drafty Autumn Sunday.
*Nothing better than listening to a 3+ hour Frame Trap
It’s cold where you live? Must be nice.
@@MagmAlex it is not nice. It is 30 degrees F.
Kyle just single-handedly sold me DQ:XI, his enthusiasm is infectious, this is what Frame Trap is all about
Did you try the demo? It's pretty bad.
@@YourPalHDee I started the demo this weekend actually. It's very charming, though I'm not really hooked quite yet.
Edit: Update- I finished the demo and bought the game immediately, it rules.
Jones' wide eyed realization upon hearing the Ultimate Alliance characters he's missed is hilarious!
1:16:11 - the face on Jones is priceless when Kyle mentions Moon Knight.
This is the best possible panel to talk about microtransactions. Thank you, Ben for picking my question.
Correction: One country two systems refers to the People's Republic of China and the cities of Macau and Hong Kong.
Taiwan (official name Republic of China) is de facto it's own country. The PRC and RC both claim to be the gov't of China. Long story short, their was a civil war, the civil war is now frozen in place, and one side only controls one island (Taiwan) and the other controls the mainland.
The "official story" of the PRC is that they rule all of China and the RC doesn't exist, and the "official story" of the RC is that the PRC doesn't exist and they rule all of China. It's an amazing mess of cognitive dissonance.
labrynianrebel
I would be pleased if this would be brought up to the panel next week.
I feel like it is hard to have a productive conversation about China, the ethics of HK protests, and companies PR responses without discussing China’s long history of repression that has persisted since the civil war. It seems to me as though HK is just the tip of the Iceberg with the treatment of the Uyghurs and Tibetans being the rest.
I was not expecting to be so emotionally invested in that Ultimate Alliance character naming game.
I really like Kyle representing Kanye and OutKast.
Jones reactions to Kyle naming all the super heroes was gold
***Good ol' 3 1/2 hour Frame Trap***
Hello lightness, my old friend...
Top tier Frame Trap
Amazing frame trap, thanks crew for these amazing and informative conversations. L&R
Video game characters who made a statement this year.... there's one who stands tall above all others... Sonic... please dress as Sonic, Kyle... please
Yes! There is a horribly creepy sonic mask kicking around online that you can buy. He needs to get it!
1:17:45 might be my favorite Jones quote ever
It’s awesome to see Kyle become a DQ fan! I’d love him to play IV and V on DS.
This has nothing to do with anything but i like towns in Chrono Cross.
Good towns
This has everything to do with everything!
Yea the great soundtrack helped the towns
How about the town simulator that is SHENMUE
ALL towns in ALL Square RPGs of the 90's are amazing
The Blizzard discussions on both podcasts were excellent and insightful. Thank you guys!
Kyle - Holographic Geoff Keighley, Halloween 2019.
Watching Jones while Kyle named Marvel characters was hilarious
Hahaha, Jones' face when Kyle mentions Wasp
Hahahaha, and then again at Moon Knight!
Most of the additions to Dragon Quest XI S, other than the music, are later in the game than Kyle is. As someone who has played through both, I still strongly recommend paying for and going through S. There are additions to the 3D mode along with the 2D additions.
Ben, Kyle, and Jones? Well this is going to be a fantastic couple of hours!
The way Jones's eyes widen as Kyle says "Thor".
32:55 - started my DQXI save after hearing this - Kyle top 20 all time - great rundown on "vibes" from the panel. Thanks!
Jones with the soft sell on GRRM's Fevre Dream - that book is fantastic
Barry Bumphroid it was a little weird because he didn’t remember the story correctly lol
Kyle and Jones have some of the best chemistry together, most noticeable on shows outside of the EZA Podcast. This might be one of my Frame Traps. Usually I tune it out while I'm working, but not this time.
Leave it to EZA to have the best discussion around the China Blizzard disaster. Great discussion guys!! I for one will stop buying Blizzard products for the foreseeable future.
(Back to back arms crossed.) Brandon and Kyle: The pixy stix pals. "I'm a little sweet." I'm a little Salty."
:D L&R
2:51:10 Weird fishes and Mario Galaxy! What a combo!
I beat dragon quest 11 right when it came out and used this opportunity to play again with all the optional Draconian quests on. Really changes the experience and with all cut scenes being skippable now I am going through much faster and only watching things I dont remember or I just want to see again
I can relate to Jones with audio books but for me it's more associated with the weather or different seasons because I listen to them mostly when I'm outside.
Like book 2 of the Stormlight Archive I associate with a winter with lots of snow, the Thrawn Trilogy I associate with summer, cutting grass at my then job and the audio drama version of Dark Forces 2 Jedi Knight I associate with a rainy autumn.
Brandon you're totally correct about the "No collosus roar" signs. They have them at MAGFest too.
Yep he just mixed up the event.
02:57:45 - Bosman and Jones facial expression on word usage
Honestly Kyle dressing up as Geoff Keighley would be great for Halloween. I bet he could do a great impression and I think Geoff would be a good sport about it lol
Love this combo. Love the slow conversation 🙌
The Roots! Haha I'm right there with you Kyle, with the LAN parties, the Roots, Outkast, all of it. The seed 2.0 is the song and the Outkast album Stankonia was my jam. Did anyone else play Halo online over Xbox Connect? It was a computer program/client that basically let you connect/ have a LAN party over the internet before Xbox Live was a thing. It was the best.
Yeah I remember Xbox Connect! Me and my buddy loved that shit. Stankonia is good ATLiens is amazing.
Incredible episode guys; this might be my favorite Frame Trap yet! Keep up the engaging conversations
For music pairing with games, try out Star Fox 64 while listening to OK Computer. You will not be disappointed.
That happened to me by accident as a kid! My N64 was in the living room and my parents were big into Radio Head. Not sure I appreciated it fully at age 7.
Three and a half hours. Settle in
Wait, what? As a podcast listener I somehow always assumed Ben sat on the right. My mind is kinda blown right now
He used to, but changed when they went to the studio
@@whiteshadow333 Aaah, thank you. Maybe that's why I was so shocked 😂
My three favorite allies together! what a gift
Huber isn't your favourite Ally? Is everything okay? Do you need me to call you an ambulance? I'm very concerned.
A very specific one for mixed-media pairings: the album "Electric Version" by the New Pornographers, with the brilliant text adventure "Jigsaw" by Graham Nelson. Midwinter in my final year of secondary school, working my way through this extremely complicated and learned game, listening to these tunes, chatting with my best friend on good old MSN Messenger. This whole scene is just sort of lodged in my memory.
Great episode guys
I like the break music, feel free to take as many as you need.
I recommend RPG Maker if you want to have a lot of dialogue in your game and want letter by letter textbox already done for you to plug text in. It's also front loaded with an RPG battle system that's good for a monster party type game. Gamemaker is extremely good for any type of game (especially platformers or action games) but it's gonna take a little work if you want something complex for the text to draw on the screen or databasing stuff. Gamemaker's greatest payoff is that the coding is easier to get into. RPG Maker does have coding but it's way more optional but acts like plugins or mods that other people already made.
I share the same sentiment with Kyle that I'd rather just be making a game instead of doing stuff in Dreams. Mario Maker is the perfect game developer alternative because you only do level design and barely anything else. Usually when making a game you just want to get to the level design (fun) part and Dreams just doesn't offer that for better or worse. It's just not for me personally.
Great episode Ben.
This came up on my recommended today, it's wild now seeing these three having moved on from Easy Allies, never would have even imagined it back then. Still enjoying Frame Trap now, Brad has done an awesome job with it, but I do miss hearing Ben's opinions so much.
Brandon Kyle is probably my top duo with Huber/Ian. Everytime, those frame traps have back and forth and no downtime or awkward silences, everyone's trying to know about the games, and Ben doesn't have to struggle and do 70% of the discussion job.
Bosman/Huber is by far the best duo. I love when they do those lets play through horror games together. Haven't seen one in a while with just those two. I think Quiet Man was there last lets play together with just those two.
@@heyhey3479 They did a playthrough of the Resident Evil 2 remake together, which is more recent than The Quiet Man, in case you missed it. :)
@@mews5356 oh yeah i watched that thing, it was great. re 2 feels like it was over a year ago for some reason.
@@heyhey3479 oh I mean you can do duos with all of them too : ) I also like Brandon being there for business discussions cause he's often the one taking the perspective of why do they do this or that. Sometimes he can be too apologetic "because business", but at least he doesn't just say "well thats bullshit" and stop thinkin about it.
Correction Taiwan isnt one country 2 systems hong kong and Macau is
The dismissiveness of actual facts, and real world situations to satisfy and fulfill the EZA allies theories and own personal biases is quite alarming and sad. No real understanding of the geopolitical history and the weight of their opinions on impressionable Allies. The EZA allies in the particular discussion may not understand the anti-china/asia rhetoric can influence young people and any ill informed opinions regarding complex issues is not a platform to reinforce fear, separation, or one-sided moral posturing.
These are the people that think Gallipoli is in Africa. :P
@@eddyzhang9958 "Anti-China rhetoric" is more than warranted when China is committing genocide, harvesting organs, and deleting people and events they don't like from their internet/history. Defending China here is very suspicious...
@@charlesdickens1803 If you are American or the promote democracy to the world via the USA, please consider the recent 50 years, generally unbiased historians and scholars would conclude USA is the country with the most war crimes, see any war in the middle east started by the USA in the name of "democracy", invading others land, telling them what to believe and think etc. The USA is well documented to destabilize governments through war or election manipulation to establish a puppet or USA"plant" etc. Suggested search Noam Chomsky and USA Presidential War Criminals, maybe you will have a different view. The points you stated maybe truth or may not be truth, what is true is you acquired the information from presumably a western media or American media, bias is clear.
@@eddyzhang9958 Ok mister Zhang.
Don’t usually listen to this podcast but this was a really good one.
I really enjoyed this podcast!
Once I saw Ben was the reviewer I had a feeling he would not like the storytelling in Indivisible lol. I really enjoyed the story/world exploration and Combat but the platforming was my probably my biggest frustration. I think I like it better than Ben but I can see his perspective. I would probably give it somewhere between 8.5 to 8.9 personally . I really enjoyed it.
I've been enjoying Ghost Recon Breakpoint as basically a coop-able MGSV with deeper character customization. The rest is definitely not as compelling, but, like Jones, I just really freaking love that open world stealth gameplay loop where you make a lot of your own fun. I never played Wildlands but I am excited to check it out someday after getting into Breakpoint.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle Q&As at Blizzcon this year. If they have the standard setup then someone will say or ask something related to the situation. Have to imagine they heavily curate the questions this year however they handle it.
The three allies who are no longer with EZA #feelsbad
This panel right here is why I watch EZA at all. Huber and Blood are good too but I feel like they don't need other people to bounce off of so they would be fine if they were in videos by themselves.
Btw why is Kyle wearing a HxH shirt? Did I miss something? Been awhile since I came back to the channel
Kyle should go as Mei to make a statement!
Every episode of Frame Trap makes me want to play Dragon Quest more....one of these days....
2:11:44 Jones' yikes face.
Thanks for answering my question about music. I especially appreciate Kyle giving some love to combining hip hop and games, there is a great connection there. A lot of music will always remind me of WoW--it was vital for raiding and pvp especially.
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I used to grind World of Warcraft super late at night when nothing was really on cable. Eventually I developed a habit of having Dawsons Creek on while i was playing, just from watching different shows prior to it airing and nothing else being on. Eventually I became invested in the story and it became a habit so now whenever I see World of warcraft I think of Dawsons Creek lol. To the point where jumping into classic Wow recently made me want to revisit/watch the series on Amazon hahahha
I bet you felt really old after you were done writing this haha.
FlowingOrange Hahah I didn’t really think about it.. but I do now.
Excellent Panel and Episode!
And Kyle you're truly the best, I find it so refreshing to hear Kyle talking, as he brings a totally unique perspective in how he view things. Sure everyone is unique, but Kyle is truly unique! How he see things and his creativity never stops amazing me, and I'm always interested to hear what he has to say. L&R
2:01:30 For Kyle's game, I REALLY wanted to agree to help Ezekial catch [SPOILER] at the end and *then* just walk out of the room and abandon him... but it didn't let me. Invisible wall, can't walk out of the open door.
Other then that it was perfect, 9/10 would fire Danielle again.
Jones face when bosmam said moonknight...just straight up "fuuuuuck"
Kyle should go as Gru!!!!!
Also about Terranigma's town expansions: When I played I remember one old NPC that is sad about how things have changed and I felt guilty about "ruining" his small town by making it a bustling city. Little moments like that are amazing.
Kyle: We love pixie sticks
Ben: *long pause* What?
What Brandon is referring to at 1:26:00 is at Magfest. There might be others, but the colossus meme which has basically been a pretty big tradition there since I started going in 2015. It’s tradition that everyone does the yell if someones starts it (think the wave at sports games)There are traditionally signs showing the colossus sprite doing the attack as a warning to be considerate of noise near the hotel rooms iirc.
I gotta say. I think I remembered more MUA3 characters, having never played it, but having seen a bunch of the promotional stuff.
Kyle hasn't even gotten to the meatiest of the new content yet in Dragon Quest XIS, the side-stories. Sylvando's is especially amazing. He just got the boat though so he's a got a ways to go.
Good episode!
If I saw Kyle Bosman without knowing who he was, I would think he was a creep. But if I saw him with a 3DS playing Dragon Quest 8, I would have mad respect ✊
Dragon Quest 5 Hand of the Heavenly Bride is a game you play for it's story. It's well done, wholesome and will pull the heartstrings.
Hey guys I appreciate everything that was said about the China/HK/Taiwan subject, however I was to attempt to correct Kyles’s self correction by saying that most of the western world acknowledges that Taiwan is very clearly not a part of China, however it has become a silent fact since the communist party (Ccp) replaced Taiwan (the republic of China) at the UN in the 70s. The one country two systems ideology is the platform put forward by the Chinese government and only really supported internally and by Chinese Allies.
I’m the guy who think’s No Man’s Sky is worse now.
I loved NMS at launch, it was so meditative and lonely then I played it again when the first base building update was released and I hated it.
It just became every other grindy survival game.
The original game had this feeling of finitely in how you had to leave the worlds you visited behind to continue your lonely journey.
Now you can just teleport to your base from anywhere and there’s no emotional weight to travelling forward because you can always go back.
S-town is so good!!!
There's a butt rock band calles Fuel that I used to listen to in like 7th grade. Everytime I hear them now, I think of Metal Gear VR missions. I used to play it while listening to one of their albums. Don't really like their music now, but I'm still super nostalgic about those two things together. Also, Kyle I'm pumped to hear you're a Radiohead fan. They're one of my favs.
hey guys, just wanted to weigh in on the MTX conversation, because i am one of those 'black or white guys' regarding them.
The publishers have been purposefully been shifting the conversation for about ten years now, and i believe that the media, including EZA have been a part of the problem with stances like this.
'Back in the day', when locked off content was discovered in a certain capcom game, the media first called it 'on disc DLC'. remember that? locked off content on a disc that you paid for! it was a complete disgrace. now flash forward to 2019 en brandon is talking about ghost recon breakpoint completely ignoring the awful MTX in that game, including the dubious xp boosters first found in AC Odyssey. in fact, the game is full of these things! it has regular cosmetic MTX, multiple editions, ranging from 60 to 120 dollars, and thats not even the collectors edition! it has a yearly battle pass. I can go on and on.
I just want you guys to remember the day where it was not acceptable to lock content that is ready on day one behind a paywall, when you are already paying for that game, and then rethink what you said in this episode.
overall, keep on rocking guys. i still find frame trap to be among the very best gaming podcasts out there and the viewer questions keep getting better as well. love and respect!
Games "back in the day" weren't a huge business as they are today, with gigantic investments (and gigantic sales sometimes). Development for triple As has become way more expensive, even with inflation. Not even counting the costs of live-service games with servers, maintenance, Q/A post launch, balance between paid and free content.
Some practices are bad, some practices are unfair, some are fair business wise, some are aimed at producing future content... Videogames have become such an extraordinary complex thing that you can't just put them all in the same basket. If single player games dominated the market, if most of the audience wasn't deep into multiplayer games with big infrastructures, you wouldn't have as much of those practices. Biggest problem is not a single studio will tell you where your money is going towards (except "improving the game", which is a meaningless statement)
Then, the infrastructures of multiplayer games worked so well they implemented it in single player games (microtransactions, skins, xp boost, whatever) because the consumers are used to it and its "free revenue" (sort of).
All of that won't ever change unless the multiplayer audience (the one who buys 2-3 games a year, Ubisoft/EA/activision games) turns away from console and goes to, maybe smartphones ?
@@terencecaron2922 they already were a huge business ten years ago, but yes, the investments have a higher risk because development is getting more and more expensive. that does not excuse knickle and diming the consumer to keep investors happy. Yes it is a business after all, but to me (i'm only speaking for myself of course) it is not excusable to gate off content that is ready and available and charging for it, when i already paid a price of admission. live services are just a different business model though, and a very lucrative one at that. thats not really an argument for MTX imo. Lots of games can be transparent and charge for a subscription or for big expansions, as all those games already do. companies are making billions in sheer profit, just off of these transactions. Covering costs has nothing to do with that.
all in all, this an ethical discussion right now because there are no laws being broken. and to me, if you i pay a price of admission, sometimes even 60$, it is unethical to charge for MTX that is already done and just gated off to make people pay more than they already did. The funny thing is, the whole industry agreed on this a short time ago, and now that line is being moved further and further away to normalize the most devious of monetization.
"a believable kind of scummy" the Kyle Bosman ethos
Man I love myself a nice fat meaty Frame Trap episode.
Kyle, game maker will give you much more freedom to do the game you want for only very little extra complexity. Also, it's a more useful learning experience for actual programming skills.
That thing Ben talks about at 14:40 (ruclips.net/video/9UWGLGkfbFk/видео.html): I had that in God of War where everybody was praising it as a perfect game, but when I started it I was so underwhelmed because on another level it´s just another AAA 3rd person action adventure. Luckily the game is long so after I continued through the half-generic beginning itjust took of with the combat and the storytelling. But this thing sometimes makes me not play some games because they are too hyped. Never played Journey because of this.
I really wanna see some Ring Fit Trainers this month for cosplay or Halloween or both. That's MY vote :)
Kyle, be Sirfetched for halloween.
DQ11 on Switch is awesome. Love all the new features and it is an amazing handheld game.
I just finished Link's Awakening, and I must admit it is a bit overrated. Far from one of the greats.
It is a good game tho, but very basic for a anno 2019 Zelda game and while the ending is bittersweet, I was being sold a game where you spent more time with the characters than you actually do. Much like in BoTW, I could have used more time with these characters that they expect you to care a lot about. Dungeons were very back track heavy and the game has both great and very bad puzzles. Loved the sidequest and sidecharacters.
Overall, it is like a 8-8,5/10 for me.
I liked Dragon Quest 8 at the beginning but the story just seemed to drag on and on.
I preferred Dragon Warrior 7 BECAUSE it was like a chapter book. It, too, dragged on and on toward the end, but unlocking those islands at the beginning and seeing your party change throughout the experience was just so special.
For DQ8, I'd have liked to have seen Medea transformed back into human form much more quickly, to have her transformation to be a story that draws you into the game at the start and not so consequential to the main plot.
I like that in Dragon Warrior 7 the motive to go on adventures is the spirit of adventure itself, it's what a trio of boat building, cave spelunking, bored children would naturally want to do, no Demon Lord (or Dhoulmagus) required. Having Medea become human again is a worthy enough goal in and of itself without needing it to be tied to the greater narrative.
I like it when a game can start seemingly simple, complete that goal, and then show you much grander reasons for exploring a world.
I highly recommend GameMaker Kyle
I don't quite understand Jones' stance on microtransactions. They're all predatory and exploitative. There's no leeway.
I agree unless they're purely cosmetic, if it's a hat or a gun skin go crazy, I never spent a dime on apex legends and had at least a dozen of the highest tier skins when I played it regularly for the first few months.
Fighting games are my main genre and idk, I feel like microtransactions have been a good way to let fans that want to support their niche genre do so. Terrible in sf5 though purely because of how it effects the menu
Nah mtx aren't inherently bad. A 2$ hat or even in game bonus isn't all that bad. They are offering something at a price and you have the option to pay it.
Are you thinking about loot boxes? I would say those are pretty much always predatory and exploitative in all implementations I've encountered.
I don't think loot boxes are inherently bad either, but they would need some kind of cap and/or guarantee which never freaking happens.
Aren’t the maidens the descendants of the sages as well? So Kyle just proved his dislike of LttP is misinformed. ; )
2:08:30
What is the name of this song? I know it’s the podcast theme, but what is it called?
The way I see micro transactions (regardless of their content) is if at any point during playing a game I have paid for; I feel anything is grindy or unbalanced, I feel they are bad in that particular game.
I'm glad I got to play Breakpoint on Uplay+. Fund for a very very casual coop jam but I wouldn't want to buy it outright. Got to play future soldier amd the Anno games on Uplay+ atleast.
Love this
I'm late to comment this but sick shirt Kyle!
come here to say Kyle's right!!! Riot Games that controls by Tencent (AKA 100% Chinese Government involvment) just announced every thing that Blizzard do: Auto Chess kinda game, Top down RPG like Diablo game, Hearthstone kinda game, and Ability base FPS like Overwatch game, and a fighting game.
Is the timing is a bit odd?
Arcades are not microtransactions, they're microrentals of hardware. The big draw of arcades back in the day was getting to use hardware more powerful than anything you could own at home.
Kyle are you playing dq xi with any draconian difficulties set?
Isn't the problem with letting employees speak that it goes against Blizzards fiduciary duty to its share holders?
When I play Resident Evil 4 I HAVE to watch X-Files