Frame Trap - Episode 26 "The Phantom Thieves Finally Strike!"
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- On today's episode of Frame Trap, Persona 5 is almost upon us! Ben takes questions from the panel about the game and generally describes his feelings so far. There's also a lot of chatter about Final Fantasy VI, Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Horizon Zero Dawn, Snake Pass, Mass Effect: Andromeda, and more!
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TIMESTAMPS
13:58 - What has Brandon been playing? (Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Final Fantasy VI, Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
40:58 - What has Bosman been playing? (Snake Pass, Night in the Woods, Ghostbusters VR, Shovel Knight: Specter of Torment)
01:16:49 - What has Blood been playing? (Mass Effect: Andromeda)
01:36:39 - What has Ben been playing? (Persona 5, Horizon Zero Dawn, Fire Emblem Heroes)
02:23:05 - HOTTAKE: How do we feel about turn-based combat in JRPGs?
02:47:43 - Emails
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1:15:46 Sophie joins the panel
2:57:07 Sophie joins the panel (again!)
thank you
You won't get better videogame discussion anywhere else.
Ben is a gem.
Ben I was just like Jones. You answered all my questions and calmed my worries. Can't wait to get Persona now.
Mad Love and Respect dude.
*As I play video games on my left monitor with this video on the right*
Kyle: "I think that people play video games with their phone open. I think that people play video games with another monitor open, watching something as they play video games."
Ben, your hosting skills have improved so much in the last year and its quite incredible. You also have a very natural flair for comedic timing. Keep up the good work!
Loved the Night in the Woods talk! Good to see an incredible game getting the recognition it deserves.
there's gonna be a day where one of the Allies, not sure who, but one day an Ally will leave and that day will be an awful day for me. I love you guys.
How are you now after Kyle left?
Dennis Zonneveld feels like a dear uncle I grew up around has picked up traveling/backpacking to rediscover himself and will return one day better than ever
Why would you do this to us
Curious how you feel about the Allie’s now that 3 of the 4 on this panel have left.
@@defeatingvetis490 I haven’t been watching at all... I used to religiously, but I just haven’t been enjoying the content much in probably a whole year or even longer
Ahhh this'll burn time until Persona!! Thanks Ben!
I picture Blood jolly smile while riding Falco with the neverending story theme in the background:-)
The Final Fantasy 6 talk really made my night. Thanks guys :)
yes, just what I needed
These long podcast are great. This is like a week's entertainment for me when I'm on my way to work. Keep up the great work guys.
i really need to see a spotlight on nier automata, that game did something unique ambitious and fascinating and uses the medium in a way that gives kojima a run for his reputation. pretty please
TheRainySky Could you explain what do you think is so great about that game? I'm done with my first playthrough and it's good,but the game has way to many problems. I don't want to rush judgment, but so far I can't see the great scores.
Danijel B........keep playing
Part of your issue is that you've only seen the first ending (A). There's two more "playthroughs" you'll have to do, one of which is some of the same stuff you've done before in a new perspective (ending B) and the other playthrough is pretty much a new game. From that third playthrough there are three endings you'll need to see (C, D, and E).
After getting those five main endings, I believe that Nier: Automata is seriously one of the better games I've played in the past few years. It's thought-provoking, wacky at times, and most importantly, fun. Of course not everyone will get the same experience as me or the others that highly praise this game, but I firmly believe this is a must play game if you have a PS4.
Oh I will keep playing, of course. Like I said I don't want to judge to early and it's not that I don't like it so far, it's just wired to sort my thoughts on the game.
Danijel B i feel the same way about BoTW
Thank you Ben, waiting for Persona 5 will be less painful now.
Colour me intrigued. Very well-spoken commentary on Persona 5, Ben. You've convinced me to take the plunge.
Brandon was spot on explaining the ''performance based difficulty'' more games need to be about that.
yusssss, Frame Trap is one of my Most favorite podcasts. Thanks to all of the Allies for you're tremendous content.
the Ben sneeze was fantastic hahahhahha
I get the impression that BloodWorth would be good at fighting games; he adjusts to unique controls well and seems like he likes to experiment with his gameplay options
i loved the conversation about turn based combat! you guys have a lot of really good points, i would love a part 2 with damiani.
also i LOVE kyle's answers to the the girl friend zelda question, telling it like it is man
I agree with Ben, Persona 5 does a great job of slowly introducing concepts to you. The first SMT game I played was Nocturne. It took me a while to just figure out how battles worked, the phases of the moon, negotiations, fusing, and more. Nocturne just throws you in and doesn't care if you know what's going on. I started playing Persona 3 and I remember thinking that the school stuff was intimidating, worrying about maintaining all of these relationships on top of dungeon crawling seemed like a lot of work. However, P5 does a great job of gradually introducing you to mechanics so you don't feel like you have a test on the first day of school.
That Hottake was a nuke!
I think I like frame trap more than I like video games. keep up the great work guys
Never ending story, awesome choice Blood! I still get goosebumps hearing/seeing "Bastian's happy flight"
It's so great to hear about Persona 5 while grinding the Monad dungeon in Persona 3 FES for a rare weapon's quest. I'm glad a lot of things carry over from 3 like register Persona in the compendium. I really miss Ben analysing games.
BEN YOU BEAUTIFUL MAN.
A nier automata podcast with spoilers just like your Horizon one would be the best thing ever Ben. You da best. :)
This may not be very useful feedback, but the show was super excellent this week.
Thanks for the timestamps!!
I've always been a huge fan of turn based RPG's, as well, especially when they shake up the formula. The Mario RPG's are great examples of taking a tried-and-true game mechanic and making it feel new. A personal favorite take on turn based combat is Panzer Dragoon Saga. It keeps the feeling of flight combat during fights by adding the importance of positioning in relation to your opponents while adding meters that would constantly fill and deplete, depending on the cost of moves and the form of your dragon. It's such a great take on turn based combat that I'm surprised that something like that hasn't shown up again in games.
Snakepass gets 96% on Steam. Meaning 96% would recommend the game. This type of rating makes so much more sense than comparing arbitrary scores from different outlets.
turn-based combat is my absolute favorite. turn-based is love, turn-based is life.
Thanks for another great episode guys! Cannot wait til I can listen to the Horizon spoiler case...I'm so close to the end but just relishing it.
2:23:32 Sophie checking to see if Ben has finally gone insane
Ben's Octo-Dad explanation = The Last Guardian
Shade thrown.
On Blood's and the cast's conversation on Andromeda: there has been a substantially big announcement today, April 4th, about the incoming patch that is slated for April 6th that is going to fix what people are complaining about. This is staggering especially for a company run by EA. I find it a bit encouraging that they are willing to support the game to that level.
2:11:30 End of Persona 5 discussion and intro to Horizon
Krogan and Asari live for like, 1000 years, and the Initiative sent probes back to the Milky Way. It's very possible that some Asari / Krogan still have close family members alive in the Milky Way.
I don't understand those that say turn-based combat is bad or outdated. Chess is a competitive multi-player turn-based combat game and it seems to have held up for quite a while.
Season 2's villain should be the backlog, and whenever someone comes on the podcast to talk about an old game they've played, we get a bit closer to conquering the backlog
ZedExZed my own villain is certainly my backlog. I'm trying to vow to wait on new games to get the ones I have done, but holding back on persona 5 is gonna be hard
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a Brandon Kyle and Ben play Persona 5.
Actually, make that the next Patreon reward I bet you'll make it!
It really sounds like Brandon got the exact same thing out of Wildlands as I did. I played that game for 80 hours. No regrets.
My wishes for 2017 of Easy Allies: The return of Trailer Score/Jones and a studio. I hope we'll get there!
They did.
If you fellas need a tech expert/manager, I'd be happy to fill that roll.
The only pay I require is Bloodworth hugs and pictures of Sophie.
I really like that you can talk to shadows again, like in the first persona game.
Tetris holds up pretty well
My 2nd favorite podcast right after the Easy Allies Podcast.
0:44 new Blood emot
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ends on a pretty famous freeze frame.
A fundamental problem that i have with some people's argument against turn based combat is that "if the combat doesn't make you think all the time is bad/ or a slog".
1. Not thinking while battling is not exclusive to turn based combat.
2. There are other aspects of jrpg combat there are important: Are the actions that i'm doing in combat cool? The animation of attacks and magic, the design of the enemies and allies, the battle music, the scenery...
All those things serve any combat style but in the turn base combat you can appreciate every single one of those aspects at your pace. And when a cool event happens in a fight, like a old enemy showing up to help you, is all integrated perfectly in the structure of the turn base combat. Even jokes can be set up and delivered with perfect timing like in Earthbound and Undertale.
PERSONA! just around 4 and half hours! Love you benzilla
That conversation at 2:40:35 about ideal turn-based battles really appeals to me. I think it'd be great to have a turn-based battle system that incorporated a puzzle element through dialogue or trying to figure out enemy weaknesses. I don't have another game to compare it to, but something like Jojo's Stand battles (a wide variety of powers that don't necessarily involve combat) or Hunter x Hunters Nen battles (greater powers have greater drawbacks) would be something really interesting.
never stop building gundams
Ben FYI you can switch party members at any time in a dungeon. Go to stats on the menu, and you can swith them out.
also minor gameplay /confidant spoiler
there is confidant that will allow you to switch party members DURING BATTLE!
Just putting this out there (you DEFINITELY Don't have to do this whatsoever) but I would LOVE a show in which you guys (or a select few of the Allies) play a game in a lets play type esque style (with obviously your little twist in the mix!) food for thought 😃
Final Fantasy 6 talk on a gaming podcast in 2017, glorious
4 Hours till P5
lucky you I have to wait 8pm est to get it from amazon :(
Regarding the HOTTAKE...A. I bet half the people who think turn based games need to go love playing hearthstone.
B. For me, turn based battles are often more about the pay-off for preparation than the battles themselves. And I think JRPGS have, and still do, innovate and differentiate with the preparation aspect. For example, FF 12's party member system, and the often dismissed (but I love it) Junction system in FF8. About half of Personal is that preparation. Between your confidant leveling, Stat leveling, money making, equipment acquiring, and personal fusing, the game's structure is really centered around your preparation.
Where's my Nier Automata talk from easy allies :|
J Credo Brad is playing it now, so Ben and him will talk about it soon
I think Ben is the only one who's played it and Brad hasn't started / just started it
Ben said on Twitter that he wishes to do an in depth talk once more people get on board. If I'm not mistaken Brad is in on it, just hasn't finished(maybe hasn't even started) and I think even Damiani is in on it.
I can't wait for Nier talk!
There was some conversation about it during the last Frame Trap. Not super in-depth, but it was a good conversation.
YES!!!! that HOTTAKE came right on time. I hate turn based combat and so I was hesitant on getting Persona 5 but now I'm gonna give it a shot
With regards to comparing Mass Effect trilogy characters to Andromeda ones
I'd like to play devil's advocate and say that after ME1 I wasn't nearly attached to Garrus as by the end of ME3.
My opinion changed on a few characters at the end of ME1 all the way to ME3. I think it's a bit unfair to compare completely quite yet. First impressions while important don't always equal your final feeling.
Love the show! Love you guys!
Though Ryuji still follows the best friend type, I think he does a lot more different and interesting stuff in the story and character
How can kyle say ME:A was a sure thing it would be game of the year? Remember when the reveal was game developers talking over concept art and footage then there were the stories of development woes, alpha footage at E3 and suddenly release after a month of harcore marketing. It had rushed written all over
Freeze Frame Ending - Rocky ....great ending
and for VR worlds - Nightmare before Christmas' world. (Halloween town)
Now that you mentioned Reservoir Dogs. Just Dance should have a Tarantino mode, scenes and songs from his movies. :D
Still, would make more sense than the Star Wars dancing game.
Nice to see that the goddess is back!
Why did they stop the frame trap section of frame trap?
Because no one has said the secret word, it only triggers if someone does
+Seth Delmar that's the reason why I hope he put the word start of podcast. :P
Drew Scanlon left Giant Bomb to make a travel documentary and he got over 20k in a few days, Patreon is crazy
I got a call from my parents while i was watching this podcast letting me know that my dog, Cora, that has been with me for the last 15 years had to be put down. I drove out to my parents house to spend the day with her and I came back to where I had left the video at 1:16:05 to see Kyle & Brandon patting Sophie. Tell Sophie that she's a good dog and give her an extra pat for me.
Refused II XBL oh no I'm sorry for your loss
Much love, ally. Losing a pet is so hard, I'm very sorry for your loss.
I dated a girl who just loved to cuddle up with me and watch me play games for hours, and the game i was playing at the time was FF12. When we broke up I had a hard time going back to it, though i eventually did.
momusu17 that hurt my heart
I hope more turn based Rpg's bring back the Legend of Dragoon style of combat, I felt it was very rewarding when you hit the full combo and dropping a combos against a boss could be fatal
dear lord, the things that Ben says about P5 remind me so much of Persona 2. combined with the insane style, the game is fucking irresistible to me.
EDIT: Actually, I have a question about P5 for you, Ben, if you're reading this. One thing that I really liked about dungeons in P2 was that some of them had objectives that really spiced things up that weren't just "find the staircase to the next floor" or "keep going until you find the boss". For example, the first dungeon in P2 had the player destroy all clocks in the school, and another had you looking for a hidden story item but with a time limit - and the clock didn't pause during battles. Does P5 have similar scenarios? Thanks!
Kyle is in no need of a hair check on this day. My god.
Jones I would say Ghost Recon is the best cooperative game I've ever played. Own that man doesn't have to be a guilty pleasure.
For some reason I can't picture slimer so I'm just imagining a weird version of the green caterpillar from A Bugs Life
perfect timing. thanks allies
Once more Allies have completed Nier Automata, PLEASE PLEASE do a Spoiler Mode on it. I'm super interested in your guys' thoughts.
The Colin situation gives me anxiety that a similar thing could happen at EZA. Keep spreading the L&R!
When Kyle was answering the BotW email, I felt like he was speaking directly to me. Thanks, Bossy.
Have they talked about The Ringed City at all? I though the Allies might be interested in the last piece of Dark Souls content.
ThisAlbino pretty sure that might be on hold until persona 5 is completed
ben hasn't played it yet
I think EVERYTHING* is on hold until Persona 5 is complete haha I have never played any other Persona, but im getting this one only because the hype that these guys made for it.
I bought Nier and I am loving it so much, glad to see I'm not the only one.
EZA and Ben, on the whole turn-based combat discussion, I think a lot of people do actually enjoy it. But at the same time I know why I don't enjoy them, and Kyle and Bloodworth just made it more clear to me as to why. The reason I play video games is, first and foremost, for the immersion. I don't use my phone, watch Netflix, or stream while I play games. I am 100% focused on the game I am playing. Therefore, turn-based combat just isn't my thing. It breaks my immersion.
Secondly, I like dexterity based games, which is another reason taking turns doesn't resonate with me. If I can physically pull off an attack and dodge without taking any damage, that is when I feel the best while playing games. It is the main reason that games like the Souls series and Kingdom Hearts are some of my favorite games. Actually, on that note, sure I started playing the KH as a kid because of the Disney stuff (since I had no relation to Final Fantasy, because of course... it was turn-based), but it was the actual combat that got me hooked.
So that is just how I feel, and can imagine a lot of other people feel. Doesn't mean I want turn-based games to not be a thing, since I know plenty of people who enjoy them. Hope this all cleared some stuff up. L&R
Can't wait for EZACon 2020!
Are you guys planning on making a review for Ghost Recon: Wildlands? I know both Michael Huber and Brandon Jones have played it and said it has flaws but is very fun, but I've still been waiting for an actual review. If not, that's fine as I just want to know.
HOLD UP!! I DIDNT EXPECT KYLE TO SAY LET ZELDA GO AFTER A BREAKUP! Didn't kyle play skyward sword after a breakup and LOVE that game???
Or am I getting the EZA lore wrong?
Nice haircut Kyle!!!
I haven't gotten to it yet, but so,etching I've been noticing the past few weeks is that the Hottakes have been relatively short, only 15 minutes or so. Is there a reason for that? Don't get me wrong, they're quality discussions, it's just something I've noticed
I really need to know if Kyle has played Werewolves Within. It would be so entertaining.
that coffin in the background, is that where Don sleeps during daytime?
Honestly I DO miss the Paragon/Renegade options in ME. Loved having one of my playthroughs as the most obnoxious asshole in the galaxy, and conversely then the sweetest, kindest.
As kyle talks about watching a second monitor, I'm watching this as I'm farming in Destiny
lol
Kyle I'm like you, I'm never not watching or listening to something while gaming.
Never.
Either TV is on and I'm watching something with my fiancée or my iPad is on with RUclips.
Turn based makes that so much easier.
Awesome!
Persona 5 is amazing! Been playing since Saturday.
Ben, hate to correct you but on P5 you can switch party members at any time from the menu, not just in the safe room. I think just triangle and on status you can select which members you want.
todoroki Yeah, I realized this after we recorded. It was a mistake. Appreciate the correction! If I remember, I'll say something next episode.
It kills me that many skipped over Bravely Second. It improved on Default in almost every way and it doesn't repeat the massive problem that the first title had. Out of the many games i've played in the last several years Second always pops up in my head extremely fondly. More should play it.
If you have the same persona that your fighting in a battle it make negotiations easier and a few social link ranks with Ryuji would give you an ability to instant win a battle against weaker enemies and some of them even run away
Its great to see Kyle and Jones so into persona, but dont take it too seriously! Its okay to make mistakes in a game like P5
If you guys are looking into mobile games, I highly recommend Dragon Blaze, and Brave Frontier. I firmly believe those 2 are the best mobile games ever. They have been around the longest, and are still the most enjoyable out of all the games that come out.
Front Mission - best turn based JRPG