Ep. 16 - John Suhr and Pete Thorn Part 2. With Dave Friedman and Marc
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2017
- John Suhr and Pete Thorn Join us for Part 2 of our great discussion. This show we take viewer questions.
This video has been re-uploaded with a small section removed. In the original video we made a statement indicating that we thought Marshall no longer makes gear in the UK. We have since learned from Marshall that this is simply not the case, hence the edit. Our apologies to Marshall. 
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This video has been re-uploaded with a small section removed. In the original video we made a statement indicating that we thought Marshall no longer makes gear in the UK. We have since learned from Marshall that this is simply not the case, hence the edit. Our apologies to Marshall.
Hey Mark and dave! First off love this channel thank god y'all gave us something to nerd out on. Number 2, tell john suhr to check this out m.ruclips.net/video/atS0nInv2FY/видео.html He was saying he couldnt find a solid state amp he liked. I think this demo is amazing. Check it
Tone-Talk Any readon this episode isn’t available on Itunes? Was listening and it simply disappeared and can’t find it anywhere, thanks! One of the best episodes!
I think the internet and social media has been a net negative for the most part, but boy shows like this sure make me happy for it. To have a John Suhr and Dave Friedman "riffing" for hours is heaven for the electric guitar community
Poor Marshall... they're being out Mashalled by Dave and John. Great show guys!
Love these guys. It's like sitting around with friends talking about my favorite things: amps and guitars. Definitely have a new admiration for John and Dave.
This episode is so full of insight. From tube amps to creativity. This has to be the best series of podcasts on the subject of music from a gear perspective and more. Hours of rivetting stuff. Thanks for this channel guys.
Wow, thank you!
This was so great! I hope you four do a recurring series of these talks. Enough knowledge and stories from the trenches to go around. Subscribed!
Just LOVED the Luke stories around the 3 hr mark! Thx!!
tomulator Thanks!
I just discovered this channel.. I love it!
Great episode! I watched all of pt1 and pt2. For me, it was really interesting to see and hear what John Suhr had to say. I really love his products and own quite a few (Modern, Guthrie Govan all mahogany, 80's Shred Tiger, Mary Kay Strat, SL-67, Jim Kelly w/cab). I am proud to own these awesome instruments and amps! I almost bought an early PT100 head, but (sorry Pete :). I have been a long time fan of you and your music!. And I am also a huge fan of Dave. I have an early BE100 non-offset, Dirty Shirley, SmallBox, Pink Taco, BE100 2018, cabs, 2xASM12's and my new pride and joy: a Friedman Transparent Blue Berry NoHo 24 ! I have met Dave and he is a real person and down to Earth..I equally love and respect the great products you guys are making available to those of us who love great tone. And Marc - thank you for Tone Talk. So cool to get into the minds of some of the best musicians and gear legends in our time.
It took 2 hours and 44 minutes into Part TWO of this Tone Talk (that's over 6 and a half hours of podcast, folks) before Pete finally called Dave and John nerds!!! There were so many times during these marathon videos where I was thinking "NERDS!!". I nearly spit out my Diet Coke when Pete said it!! lol Love these guys.
Another great show with the 4 of you. Thanks. Part 3 would be nice!!!
Roger The Shrubber Thank you!
Ouch with the Vertex comment. 🤣 Pete is such a huge part of Suhr for me. I imagine you guys must know how valuable of a resource that you have with him. It’s rare to get such a talented player, a gear head, great guy and LOYAL face for the company.Three cheers for Pete!
I've been getting caught up on Tone Talk's and just gotta say that Vertex comment was GOLD.
Did I miss the vertex comment?
@@joepeezy4sheezy 31 mins in
So cool show thanks 👍 thanks of that volume pedal ind the FX loop never thought of that 👍 thanks again!
Absolutely excellent...I love your channel!!! 💗💗💗
HI Marc, Dave, John & Pete. Your discussion at 1 hr in, on 'modelling' software was fascinating. I have played for many years with Tommy Emmanuel and Colin Hay (Men At Work), and am a real amp guy through and through. However, back in 2019 I was asked to headline the Melbourne Guitar Show to play all of the Van Halen 1 album in track order, and I of COURSE wanted to use my trusty old Plexi cranked up. Alas, those Expo shows being what they are, there was not going to be a soundcheck and there were 4 other bands on that day. So I elected to use the Kemper with some profiles that were very well made of a dimed Plexi. Anyway.. it definitely got me out of a jam, and the resulting video (on my channel) was better than I thought it would be. Let me know what you think? BUT - you're right however.. there is '3rd dimension' missing. And I know what it is like to stand in front of a dimed Plexi, and it's intimidating and wonderful at the same time lol. If it's a choice, I'll always go tube amp. And I have fond memories of meeting John at his factory with Colin Hay.. him walking away with an amp, and me some pedals 🤘 Respect from Down Under gents.. love your show. Simon
Ok, just finished watching the John Suhr part 1 and part 2 episodes again (like the 3rd time).
Part 2 was December 2017, so I think it is time tto get John Suhr back on. 😁😁
Has nothing to do with the fact I have acquired 3 Suhr guitars since part 2!!!
Bring him back!!😇
John and pete are great guests.
these were great shows
Of the younger gen i really am impressed by JACOB DERAPS he plays with a old Marshall plexi style NMV amp and no effects. plugs right in. here has a channel here on YT.
Thank you
stand-by is good for changing cables + pedals. I dont want to turn the amps off every time im unplugging a pedal. nor do i want the harsh noise if its live.
I love how straight forward John is. “Move to a better climate.” Hahaha
Also..LOVE the Splawn amp callout at the 4:07 mark! Would LOVE to hear Dave’s and John’s opinions on Splawn amps...
Had a few Splawn QuickRods but then I got a Friedman modded SL with the BE/HBE. Got rid of every thing.
peter svidersky, got rid of everything? So.... now you don’t have an amp?
Best Tone Talk ever...
What about companies like Evidence Audio? They are connecting the cables differently on each end.
Regarding the topic of 3:25:00: Effort, good requires effort but not all effort leads to good. This applies to music as it does life.
I barely understand anything they're saying but I can't turn away from people who know what the fuck they're talking about. It's comforting.
Standby switches - they are a hangover from the days of directly-heated thoriated tungsten cathodes, as used in the 20's & early 30's. Thoriated tungsten filaments don't react well to rapid power cycling. They were fine if you allowed them to cool down fully (1 hour+), but if you turned them off for a few minutes, then turned them on again (while still hot) there was something like a 1-in-5 chance of a complete tube failure, with the potential for the failure to happen in such a way to give a direct short between cathode & plate, taking both power and output transformers with the tube. This problem was solved by the introduction of the indirectly-heated tube and improved materials technology in the early 30's.
AFAIK, there are & have never been any production guitar amps made with thoriated tungsten directly-heated cathodes. Put simply, unless you're using an amp with 300b, 211, 805 or 845 valves, a standby switch is pretty much useless, just adding cost to an amp...
Cheers... G
Valve amps will never go away, for one simple reason - they can be repaired. Modellers? Not so much...
Nah. Its because moddlers sound like shit.
This talk about amps and pedals and modellers is fun from my own perspective. I've never thought the modellers sound "real" but I had the chance to be in a band and buy a 100 W tube amp before the modellers were good enough, pod was a thing but nobody played direct in through modeller yet. I've tried to believe people and online discussions and A/B blind tests that they're just as good as real things. And they can often trick you in those recordings. Yet funnily enough I don't use a modeller instead of tube amps at home. I think something like neural dsp plugin is great for getting recordable sounds quietly at home, and very malleable, but if I'm serious about it, I still go for the real amps.
And it's absolutely true about the tweakery, I hate digital interfaces with passion. Very off putting. I have grabbed a pile of pedals to explore sounds, but when I play at home to practice or learn something, I play unplugged. Despite all the gear. Just because in that moment I just need a guitar to play, the gear is not necessary.
Sounds like John Suhr was trying to pronounce Juha Ruokangas, a finnish builder (every builder in Finland is super small, but he's really well known in Finland, the best known). He made some guitars for a great player, Juha Torvinen.
I seriously could sit and listen all day to Dave talk about his amps and esp about Luke and his experiences with him. He is perhaps my all-time FAV player and I just want to learn all I can about him and how he does things...esp WHY he’s playing Bogners and not Friedmans!! 🤔. Jk
2:25:00 "John, you are truly a Gear Page guy." 😄
My #1 player is a LesPaul model with 1 cut access body shape, Bridge stop bar T-O-M style. Head
stock is 3x3 style. And a 3 way selector switch on top like a LP. I love that style. But it has 3 knobs,2 Volume one tone. 24 frets! Body is basswood, Rosewood fret board. Maple neck. Anyone guess what it is? Its an ESP LTD cheap model, EC-100 QM color. I did a pup swap, added a kill switch in the control cavity. Upgrade tuners. And a bone nut that I cut to my specs. My next guitar will be like this one in most ways except I do want mahogany, Maple cap, Mahogany neck, Rosewood fret board. But thinner. Guess what that guitar will be? It will have to be a PRS. Its the only one I found that has what I want most from the factory. Why I do not have it yet? Three things, #1 Price #2 Price #3 The Fucking Price! Scoping out the SE models. The upscale of that is just stupid. Them guitars are for people that have other people buy it for them.
John Suhr's dog is like the ones in the movie
she detects terminators. (Siri)
Mick Ronson's Marshall sounded great "Ziggy".... but if I remember right it wasn't a superlead but a major? A fan played his Marshall and said it sounded horrible, but Mick made it sound great.
A show with John Shanks as the guest would be awesome!
Christian Bundgaard Jensen Thank you and we hope that happens in 2018!
49:50 ACE - i am exasperated with presets, just give me the engineering parameter pots. Good designs from Suhr.
Seen something brewing on theGearpage ...lol All good .
From what I know, Gary Moore also had high action.
im playing the new BE100 model in the helix, now i want the real thing
To all feeling the edit and re-upload was unnecessary. I feel it's better to cover their bases than to risk a defamation lawsuit which Marshall can be very tempted to do to pad their continued fall. Marc and Dave did the right thing. Hate for something to happen to Friedman or this channel/podcast. Plus, I need Dave to be in business long enough for me to save up and buy one of his amps! Haha
1:19:02 That's the thing, Right Pete? That was funny right? Hehehe, Had to do it! Hahahaha!! We love ya Pete!
I asked the question about Poly vs Nitro finishes. I think Mr Suhr was a little disingenuous about that. Of course "a finish doesn't have a tone", but there's a reason Nitro finishes are prized over Polyester ones. And why the cheaper Suhr guitars are Poly while the more expensive are Nitro. It's about the thickness of the finish, and Nitro finishes are usually a lot thinner than Polyester. The thinner the lacquer, the easier the guitar vibrates. John might have found some Nitro examples with thicker finishes than he puts on his Poly Classic Pros, but that would be the exception. I think he was making a case for his Pro guitars (or whatever they're called now). Plus Nitro looks and ages way better.
In Part 1, they all- or at least Thorn and Friedman- agreed that which type of finish, or lack thereof, affects tone, as does thickness of a neck, etc. I thought nitrocellulose also flexes and...breathes? in a way poly doesn't. In Suhr's defense, there are several bass luthiers who have begun to mix a touch of poly in with their oil and wax finishes, super minimally, for consistency and durability. Maybe Suhr's player series have a very thin poly finish?
Personally, I think the Modeler vs Tube debate..comes down to generations. This generation of guitarist is use to a recorded guitar( already processed) sound.
There's freedom( touring) knowing your sound is consistent night in and night out.. I'm 58 and I love my Fractal.. I have great tube amps, But, I play R&B, Jazz and Comptemory Gospel.. And, I get the Paul Jackson, Landau Nile Rodgers Cleanfunky, but not brittle sound..And, the in-between tones as well.. I'm going forward.
I would love the play your amps..But, at 3-4K a hit.. Even for a working (Musician) vet, is very cost prohibited.
I have 2 of those Marshall Lead 12. I thought it was just me that those were good. I have one in my car as a backup at all times. Pete, they asked your favorite Canadian bands and you don’t say Big Wreck? I hope that was a brain fart. Ha!
Where is part 1?
Pete, John...Don't price your amps all at or over $3k. Fuck that.. !
It's an American hand made product, if you want Chinese crap there is plenty out there. The 20 watt friedmans are about 1500 and are incredible. Call Ferrari while your at it and tell them their cars are too expensive.
One comment...if it’s so expensive to manufacture guitars and amps in CA, why not move manufacturing to the Midwest (IN, OH, etc.)? Got to be much cheaper to build there...👍🏼
i believe these guys inspect all the amps + the manufacture facilities. thats part of the product price. If they move the operation 2 the midwest, they have 2 move there too.
I just want to know if Suhr ever got that Katana head.
Yes he uses it
The majority of people employed in America cannot afford products made in America, and it is tragic that anyone is surprised by that.
Not true
I would go stainless if I had the choice. But for someone like me its not a choice. Its whatever it comes with. I think I can speak for the majority of people that have guitar fetish but not a fund base for it that supersedes your bills. If I saved a couple thousand dollars for a guitar, Which I am dreaming, And a bill needed payed or something needed fixed, Guess what? I could not buy that guitar without feeling very bad about it. It could be 800.00 or 600.00. Same thing.
Honestly, I don't think the editing and reupload of the stream is a good idea. Even if anyone in the show says something completely wrong, uninformed or biased in any way, it's not a reason to edit... because that's an open door later to always edit any future show if one manufacturer just doesn't like what is being said... and in a long run, it will neutralise the "raw" nature of the show that actually makes it good right now. Of course, there's probably unpopular opinions said by anyone, but it's OK, it's part of being different people with different taste, habits, preferences, styles, etc... For instance, I don't agree with what Marc or Dave already said in some previous videos about the whole Kemper thing... but I fully understand your position and even if I don't share it, I still like very much the show. It's just called: having different opinion... that's it. And yes, different opinions is different from misleading with false information, or if we ignore some facts at the time, etc... true, but it's a slippery slope. A simple follow-up in the next show mentioning: "Hey guys, we were wrong last time, it happens that Marshall still make gear in the UK"... done! Or just add a "pinned comment" on the original video. Because it's important to correct facts and not mislead people, so yeah, no problem with that... I just think the whole 'let's edit and reupload' it might be an open door to then analyse every single word that might be said later and then being cut out to not "offense" anyone because it's an unpopular comment or opinion. My 2 cents...
PS: And on my own words: Screw Marshall's feelings. At this point they deserve it since it seems like every single manufacturers on earth now know how to make a great Marshall amps... beside Marshall themselves! There's a reason why we have Friedman, Metropoulous, 65Amps, Victory, Blackstar, Fx Amps, Fargen, Suhr, you name it... so many Marshall alternative brands that would probably not even exist if Marshall wouldn't be messed up today!
the problem is that a rumour that one hears gets to the ears of a Gearpage member,and then the worldwide shitstorm happens,for no reason really,its just a chat,like being in a pub with friends talking of your life.
In this case, the information was wrong and we wanted to make it right. We won't be editing much else I assure you. :)
I do believe, unless the vid is hurtful or violates a law, it should be left alone. Editing the description at the top, saying what error was made, certainly would have sufficed. Pointing out Marshall makes amps in jolly ol' England still, in the description, is more publicity than they deserve for such a simple error...buried deep in 4+ hours of good info...which won't be seen by near as many people as the description...IMHO. Talking or typing opens up the opportunity to be human and make a mistake. We used to say "oops", not delete the history of the event. Just saying...
Couldn't you just have a text bubble correcting what is being said... to clarify. BTW - Henning did this a million times. I am against editing.
At 2:45:11 Pete sounds a little sloshed!!....lol..
Japlin
Killsabby
Look these artists up if you want. Little rock Arkansas.
Marc, please stop blasting the mic
Dude this is like 3 years ago.
@@tone-talk just checkin
A 24 fret guitar should be the norm if you ask me. Playing one for a while and when you play a 22 fret or a 20 fret, Its like playing a toy! The expansion you learn on a 24 is huge! Anything less actually stunts your ability. A lot gets chopped off when you are looking down field at the lay out of the land. And I do not know much so someone with a large musical vocabulary will feel it twice as much. So yeah, 24 fret should be the norm. I will say that people who play only a 22 fret, Older and set in their ways so to say, Which is not what a musician should be, But their are a lot of people like this. If they forced themselves to play a 24 for a month, They will never look back! They will get irritated at first jumping to a fret that isn't right because they have moved right? It doesn't take long at all to get on with it. But their out of their comfort area and have to think which is a good thing but are used to not thinking about the things that come with learning. Just try it for a month. You get passed the easiness of knowing what you know. Just try laughing at yourself. And before you know it, Playing a 22 is not as fun! Another thing for set in your ways people is to play with drop D if you haven't. Or not very much. Same thing. Leave your guitar tuned to drop D for a month. You will discover a lot more with it than just the one or two songs that require it. Now think about drop D with 2 extra frets! The turnings you can experiment with. These two things alone will intrigue you for a long time. Light a fire under your ass! You will bug the shit out of your wife saying listen to this honey! Check this out! I have a song I want you to hear! Lol.