Overclocking the 5700X3D?
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Just realised that Zoid is a time traveller, Look at his freaking clock man he 20 years in the future no wonder he knows so much about these boards he been studying retro tech in the future!!
mind blown 🤯
time travel is a side effect of using custom clock generators
@@DavidFregoli "Alright then, keep your secrets" - Frodo
BIOS Time: 11/03/2044 lol
The old 4400 viper are back
I thought these CPUs like 3600mhz ram
I have a 5700X3D and I actually got my highest score at -10, 400+ points over stock in Cinebench R23. 13676 vs 13239. The score decreased -50 pts at -20, thought maybe margin of error so I ran again and got the same score. The main reason it increased so much from stock to -10 is because at stock it would run at 39x multiplier during most of the run. At -10 it would hold 40.5 for 100% of the run. I'm running my 5700X3D in an Asrock B550m itx motherboard / under a Thermalright BA 120 CPU cooler ("245w tdp*").
I have my PBO limits set to Auto because that is how it scores the highest. Set to "motherboard" it scores the lowest and when set to manual / the CPU maximums it scores below auto for some reason even though it never reaches them during benchmarks.
Cinebench R23 in stock 10893 here
Looked for a undervolt guide since this cpu is practically locked
Nobody posts, imma sad, guessed i gotta get the 58X3D then
First post at all on the topic : AHOC himself. Dude !
Never stop what you do, i learned a lot over the years listening to you rambling.
You do actually get CO on some 5000 series X3Ds, my X570 Aorus Pro has it with the 5800X3D. From my experience, it's very easy to reach the max clock of the chip, I wish that was also unlocked
Wait so, is there a list of which motherboard has bios support CO for X3D chip?
@@kaitoharrison872 I am not sure if there is a list, but look at the bios updates, well into 2023. Mine had it listed in the changelog, it probably has to do something with the new AGESA
I need this video!!
Bro 17% BCLK? Thats so cool! 😮
Unlocked multiplier: Look the they have to do to get a fraction of my power
@@kayburcky7146all hail our corporate overlords who keep our tech locked
Buildzoid, the MSI X570 Unify is a great board for bclk overclocking. Ive run up to 108mhz on mine with my 5800X3D.
that's a fun OC. Just got done with the 8700g delid and liquid metal sandwich and that thing rips too if you got the cooling.
I just started messing with mine. It’s getting extremely close to stock 7700x performance @ 5.1ghz 6400 CL30
@@LegionGamingTV I just ordered mine, the thing with these APUs is that they have half the 7000 series cache, as per usual for AMD apus to cut costs down (but somehow still charge 330 for it!!). so they wont perform as well in games because games are random processes and love low latency back and forth storage
@@Shrek_Holmes Yeah the cache does hurt the performance but not as much as you'd think when tuned. If AMD would sell us a monolithic CPU like this one but with the full amount of cache and PCIE lanes Intel wouldn't be able to keep up..
Keep waiting to see them Vcache the APU's. Would suck for core OC
@@Shrek_Holmesthey still charge 330 because you got a whole GTX 1650 in there 🤦
I’m feeling slightly drifty watching this but I enjoy your style
Hey @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking love your content. I got a wierd question, i see new b650e and x670e motherboards from msi and gigabyte that have 6 layer pcbs but support up to 8000 ram speeds on quite a lot of kits especially the gigabyte one. Do you think its a good buy ? Im just curious if those will be reliable results for stable 8400+ speeds in the future.
what cooler were you using?
Clock stretching is definitely a thing on modern AMD GPU's. I got my 7900xtx to 4.2GHz by using an in cache workload. It was using 130W at 1155mV, clock stretched to hell lmao.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking does b550 have the same bclk limit of 118 like x570 does?
It would be very interested to try that cpu on some X470 board... Maybe performance won't be much better, but I assume it won't be at least unstable for daily use....
Do you have plan to revisit asrock b650m-hdv/m.2? Recent AGESA updates seem to make it the best overclock board, even better than gene and tachyon.
You talking about the $120 b650m hdv/m.2? I have that one with my 7800x3d, got it for $99 at microcenter
Yeah it's gotten very cheap. They seem to have released a shittier version M2+ with no heatsink that has a higher MSRP. That board too good and being emptied out of the channels? 😅
@@fracturedlife1393 Not over here in Germany... It's up to ~150€ coming from ~120€ 😭 I really hope, it isn't already EoL'd
54:23 " ....frequency readouts are made of lies" 😅
FWIW, I could use that x470 video as I'm brand new to overclocking, running an x470, and about to pull the trigger on the 5700x3d.
I was literally coming to see if you made a video on this yet
Also my crosshair 6 was a much better OCer compared to crosshair 8
used to overclock for fun but I'm so lazy now I'm extremely happy with my 5800x3d at mostly stock with pbo offsets
Buildzoid to the future -- 2044!
There's an X3D CO python script on linux that uses a kernel SMU driver, itll probably work with this. PBOtuner2 obsensibly does the same thing but i have no idea how that works under the hood.
Just what I wanted to see. Delicious.
57:59 sums it up perfect 😅
I have a Ryzen 3900 (65w model), it is much cooler than the 3900x, but the performance is capped. First thing I did was undervolt -0.130, which made it colder. I can't increase the fixed clock, it operates a little longer than the 3900x, taking 4.35Ghz, I changed the PBO leaving 120PPT 80 TDC and 120 EDC, in this I was able to maintain something around 3.9 to 4Ghz at full load, before it took 3.6 Ghz full load, in games it gets 4.2Ghz. And consumption remains lower than the standard 3900x. When I got a 5700x3d from a friend, I saw that there was no point in undervolting, I'm going to try your settings
yes eclk is supported on 2nd gen ryzen on x370, but then only crosshair vi hero has the capability to do it.
and the gigabyte k7 x370 has a external cock gen too. what i have and have the 5700x3d and doing a bit of blck overclocking with mine. not doing all core clocking tho but cpu pretty much always hits 4185mhz and boosts up too 4275mhz here and there. more so kinda afraid too keep messing with it even with the external clock gen cause well 3d cpus are weaker and stuff can still drop off like storage drives and stuff 😜 so im slowly been doing it sense i got the chip over a week ago here and there lol.. tho even at stock chip does the job even over my 5800x which i had too rma was plaq with whea errors sense i got it back in march 2022 why i got the 5700x3d.... lol 3d chips in my case cause i run 5120x1440p wouldn't be worth a upgrade otherwise but i will say the 1% lows and min fps are nicer i been noticing that over my 5800x. oh and running pbo2 software with -25 sense really alot of am4 boards like the 300s chipsets wont support that on 3d chips tho you can trick them in bios by reloading a old profile and setting it and it will stick ;)
I thought you could up the core ratios on all Ryzens?? I had a 1600 and have a 3100 which you can do that with for OC. I'm running X570 motherboard but you could do it with the B350 on the 1600.
I'm kind confused. Maybe it's binning but my 5900X does 4.35 all core while rendering Blender / cinebench etc. with curve optimizer. No real overclocking needed besides some voltage modifications (because 3600Mhz C16 4 Sticks) and I have a silver sample.
in ryzen 5000 series u get Huge performance increase only when use curve optimizer with negative, not with undervolt main voltage its true.
I have a B550 Aorus Eiite with a 5800X3D and it has curve optimizer settings unlocked. I'm (supposedly) running at -30.
In the first few BIOS revisions that supported the X3D it was indeed missing, though.
B550 aorus, ah yeah I'll keep that on my bench next to the AMD r7 and the alpenföhn cooler. Which one you ask? I thought I made that clear, the arous one
@@kayburcky7146 bruh. I don't really need to be more specific. It's not a super exclusive feature. They should all have it. lol.
Yeah, the first thing you do with a new 5800X3D is undervolt it/perform cure optimizer voodoo magic that's equivalent to undervolting. Most can take the full -30 of whatever those arbitrary units translate to.
@@hammerth1421 one thing I recently learned is you still need to watch our for clock stretching but it does seem like 5800X3Ds are premium bins.
I thought this cpus reach 5 hrz😅
Weird, I have a 5600x3d that undervolts pretty well (I've gone as far as .8v @ 4.35 MHz in cinebench) but I never actually looked at performance, I'll definitely check that
What's your cinebench R20 score
what cpu cooler?
There is a B550 motherboard with the code display? Damn. I couldn't even find X570 with it with reasonable price (thankfully at least it has diodes for some troubleshooting).
Also - I'm sure this video will be great. Even though of course X3D chips are a "bit" harder to OC. ;) And in most cases OC on AMD isn't worth that much. Especially all-core - usually ends up with lower single-core speed than you'd normally get. But probably BCLK OC can get around a lot of that.
Yeah, I paid way too much to get the X570 Dark hero for the code display and Dynamic OC, which was nice until we saw what others were doing with just PBO II and CO.
Yo, I am sorry but that kinda assumption here is part of the problem. Post code shouldn't be a premium feature, and it didn't use to be. Mobo manufacturers just gradually went there for the last few generations and the fact that you are surprised about a postcode on a lower tier chipset, that for all intents and purposes has everything your average consumer needs, kinda shows it's working....
But to actually say something useful aside from the bashing here (don't take that personal ofc I'm mad at the mobo manufacturers not at you) the cheapest AMD 500 chipset series boards with post code (which the zoid actually covered in a few videos) are ASRock b550 steel legends and similar (velocita and extreme4 are basically the same but in red and blue and with the hardware buttons actually soldered on for a little plus in price) for when they came out around the 200-250$ area iirc
@@kayburcky7146 Thank You for being informative in your second part. As for the 1st part. My previous 2 CPU's were Phenom II and Athlon XP. When they were released post code wasn't something seen to much outside OC. So I didn't know about it being a thing when I bought X370 mobo. By the time I was looking at newer mobos (X570, B550), most of them didn't have post code. And sadly AsRock isn't available here in sane prices. Though next time I will ask about them - sometimes it might be cheaper to ship something from Western Europe than try to look for it here.
PBO2 tuner can apply custom curve isn't?
wasn't there a bug somewhere that unlocked everything?, maybe it would be something to test
BUILDZOID talking to us from a not very distant future....2044 to be precise! Hows life in 2044?
The multiplier is unlocked on my Aorus X470 Gaming 7 Wifi-50. I got it stable at 4.12GHz, touching the voltage even a little makes it crash no matter what speed.
appears I got lucky with my 5700x3d -- with MSI built in kombostrike LVL 3 (basically MSI setting PBO to negative 30 with some other minor tweaks) I get boosted to 4.2Ghz all core without touching clocks. I've seen a few cores can get close to 4.25, generally with games. Temps may be a factor here -- with cinebench temps stay under 60c, prime95 temps stay under 75c.
Try llc stock cuz the default curve thinks it's running at auto voltage max, and system throttle occurs, and ignores the user settings after some point
not surprised the 5700X3D gets so much voltage @stock. after all, these are most likely all the bad yields of 5800X3Ds AMD has accumlated
agreed. i'm pretty much sure to run my 5800x3d @ lower Vcore, with the hidden CO enabled. runs hot though
That's the entire purpose of these SKUs. Sell 5800X3Ds that didn't make the cutoff for the 5800 bin.
@@hammerth1421 yeah but you get near 5800 specs for a hell of a lot cheaper so I'm not complaining 😂 £120 my 5700x3d cost brand new 🥳
@@rasky2684HOW TF DID YOU GET IT FOR 130?
@@Derpynewb Ali express 😂
How long you guess until bclk will be locked as well because it can cause instabilities system wide?
it seems to be locked already. I can change it in bios, but it affects only RAM. Cpu clock stays 4050 mhz. Motherboard: b 550m aorus elite
Finally finished my 57X3D: 40.5 x 103.75 = effective clock is 4202Mhz all the time, CO -30, offset -0.05v = 1.1625v, 106 watts during linpack, max 76*C with DeepCool AK620 running fullspeed(1900rpm) while testing, no clock stretching; 1900:3800 crucial e die 16-19-16-36-58-1T, B550 Strix F, resulting in 322Gflops in Linpack 1.1.5, 14620-14670 pts in CB R23 and 5675 pts in CB R20(L1\L2 prefetchers are disabled). WHEA free, no TM5 errors(1usmus_v3 25 cycles).
57X3D is kinda contradictory CPU, for it's price its pretty good for AM4 final upgrade(in my local store difference in price with 58X3D is 20%), but it's too boring, clocks are super limited, and even if u managed to get more with BCLK its gonna be limited to..gpu, pcie, usb and other stuff stability lol. 40.5 multiplier is a disaster and the CPU itself is definitely a dogpoop piece of 58X3D silicon.
Its a decent choice for a user who want to put it in and play games, but for enthusiast..No.
can you say more about how to make it stay at 40.5 all the time? thanks
@@kadapp987 sup, sure. But let me clear that i meant 40.5 multiplier all the time under load, even heavy(occt, linx, linpack). Ofc in idle it will drop.
1. Cooling. U need a decent cooling solution, Im using DeepCool AK620, as i said before
2.Set ur multipler manually to 40.5 in bios
3.Disable this settings: LCLK DPM; PSS; Global C-state Control; CPPC, CPPC Preferred Cores (i know about common advice about enabled\disabled, but for me both disabled gives less stutters in game like pubg and hell let loose); Core Performance Boost, DF states. Fixed SOC Pstate = P0.
4.Use -25(or even -30) CO option, u can even try to use negative vcore offset to lower temps even more (remember - lower temps = more freqs, in case of 57X3D - 4050 will stay longer; but its rather cold cpu by default, so 4050 should be achievable in 100% cases).
Still in the middle of the video, but can't this chip be PBOed? Or PState 3625 (3650), there usually are non-integer multipliers.
bro making videos from the future... 2044 pog
I don't think external clockgen on 4xx boards works with any cpu sans zen+, i've also tried bclk OC on my zen2 with x470 g7 board and it failed at the same 104.5 ish bclk. What's interesting it didn't happen to my mate with ch6 board, so it's maybe a gigabyte problem
stock voltage in a asrock x370 killer sli for a 5800x3d its 1.3 to 1.33 volts its too high and x370 dont have pbo in the motherboard so i have to set up PBO2 tuner software.
Hey Buildzoid.
I've heard X570 Crosshair impact supports BCLK overclock in the range of 103-114 BCLK on some BIOS'es.
Saw it on Asus and Overclockers forums, do not know if that's true. Do you think it might be the viable x570 option for 5700x 3D BCLK overclock?
I remember you had the motherboard 3-4 years ago ...
p.s. God bless you people ! Jesus Christ loves you 🙏
Which x370 and x470 have external clock gens? I'm currently running my 12100F at 5.3ghz on a b660, I love that kind of stuff.
Crosshair VII Hero. Even has async BCLK.
@@Wasmachineman Thanks man
What b660? I'd love to OC the 12100 for cheap
Crosshairs. Gigabyte Gaming 7s.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thanks man.
BCLK works on x570 but you have to unplug SATA
With only nvme plugged in bclk works
Maybe still not as good though idk dont have a b550
Otherwise I'm glad you tackled this
So many cope lords wasting their time on CO and pretending that limiting ppt or edc does anything useful
What people need to realise is that Global F Limit is an ALL CORE control scheme and its how the zen3 zen4 on cpu control system limits the chip when its getting hot and heavy
And that its basically meaningless with a gaming workload
And in terms of real world all core workloads - 7zip benchmark is the most accurate way to recreate a real world mc workload and its like 25% lighter than your average stress test
100% agree with you that people need to wake up and stop testing for stability in a meaningless way
also
core cycler is king when tuning CO you want to just tickle the 1 core at a time with the lightest workload possible
that is where you will find instability with CO - you won't find anything by testing a all core workload
but at the end of the day
AMD took away +500 mhz AFTER release
then removed +200 mhz from x3d
scummy company
that needs to be called out for the absolute rubbish it has on all its marketing material that states "all our cpus are unlocked"
when in reality unlocked is meaningless
and in reality they are a scum company
edit: so I just tried this out at 0 I get 110 score in 7zip, if I set CO to -5 I get 112 if I set CO more aggressively I still get 112 i.e. -20 or -30
so 1.8% improvement...
It doesn’t have pbo?
Currently I have 60-70% GPU usage in the finals and cod ect with a 3080 5600X. Is it worth it to go to the 5700X3D from a 5600X been trying to find vids showing the 2 in the same video but can’t find many.
Just go for the 5800x3d imo, it's come down in price a lot
I get the impression it's around 20% faster in most situations. Gamers Nexus included a fair number of older cpus, including yours~ watch?v=llKZzym9hAo
@@IIHydraIIWhere I am the price is 25% less for a 5700X3D than a 5800X3D.
As far as I understand at 1440p majority of the time it’s just 5-10FPS different.
@@auturgicflosculator2183I’ve seen that one, but thanks. Just wish I could see more of the games I play so I could directly compare but it’s almost impossible to
@@stealthhunter6998 Yeah sorry, there are lots of little channels out there that do testing, but very rarely do they show how they test, under what conditions, etc, so it's sometimes hard to tell how reliable their data is.
What happens if we disable Hyperthreading..
I assume it should run cooler which in turn would give us more performance.
That would be an Intel cpu
You can disable SMT or do downcore, but Ryzens fail to sleep and hibernate in that setting.
Yes BZ, the latest AM4 BIOSes are complete crap with regards to memory OC. I can't even post 3733 CL17 on my C8DH or C8E.
Can you talk about Micron B die? Why dont you tried Curve Optimizer on this?
Of which type DDR5 its total trash, DDR4 its total trash
Oh wait it dont matter dont get it
the CPU doesn't have curve optimizer.
I have my 5800X3D on a X570 Aorus Elite mobo and I can only get 1.02 on the BCLK, it's good enough for 4.536 all core and 4.636 single core, cooling it it's complicated I have 600mm worth of rad to disipate it and it gets to 85c easily, I think I would need to delid this bad boy but I have not seen many cases of people delidding these CPUs tbh.
I am confused. Stock 5700X3D boosts to 4050 MHz. Which means the stock multiplier is 40,5. This means that +17 MHz over BCLK should boost it up to 4739 MHz (117 × 40,5). And for a slight core clock boost over stock +3-4 MHz over BCLK would be enough. Am I wrong?
You're wrong. The problem is the AMD boost algorithm. It's great for normal usage and terrible in this case. Buildzoid even talks through it, he had to disable boost clocks entirely, so the CPU always sits at the base clock multiplier times BCLK. He manually set the base clock to 3600 MHz, so that he's not starting out from 3000 MHz, but it's still not the same as boost clock times BCLK.
@@hammerth1421 I thought he disabled auto boost due to instability issues caused by such a high BCLK frequency (117 MHz). But what about 103 MHz? With enabled auto boost this should result into 4170 MHz core clock. I heard 103 MHz is double on most motherboards, isn't it? It could be a good option for everyday use.
@@stangamer1151he disabled it because PB disabled itself beyond 104, and basically locked ratio to 30x.
At 104, running cinebench, PB just drops ratio to like 39x, so 102 BCLK just kinda works better
Could you please get your hands on the new 8700G and see how well it can overclock ram?
It might be a bit too early for that. Have been testing one out of curiosity on an X670E motherboard and AMD’s GPU drivers regularly crash just using Windows even without games.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 I've been seeing some 2500 IFC, which is nuts.
Mine did 2400 just fine (prime95 with AVX-512) with 2 X 32 GB “standard-slow” DDR5-5600 ECC UDIMMs at 1.1 V from Kingston with SK Hynix A-Die without changing any other default settings. But I returned my unit because the crashing GPU drivers couldn’t be solved within the store’s return window and I was pissed since I ordered mine when AMD’s spec page for the 5700G still stated ECC memory support before AMD removed any mention of it and ECC memory support is a crucial feature for me.
5700x3d at4.2ghz oc is safe? Someone pls answer to me
Tried the same thing with my 5600 X3D except I undervolted it as well as raised the BCLK gigabyte b550 gaming V2 motherboard when I raise it to 103 it crashes 102 will run in cinebench bench Even time spy but if I play Fortnite it will crash in the middle of the game and force a reinstall of the game not fun so I just stick with 100 megahertz -30 with the voltages set at 100 70 100 Nice thing is it actually boosts performance over stock and I never see 60C in normal tasks or games versus the high 70s it used to run at with a 240 AIO
I just recently installed a 5700x3d but no matter what options I change if I adjust the clock ratio to anything above the default 100.00 windows just sits on the loading screen with its spinning circle 😂
Чувак, попробуй отключить sata порты, если есть девайсы на этих портах, при разгоне по шине, ты гонишь все sata девайсы и pci e (видюха, диски и тд) - они могут выше 100 по шине и не тянуть. мне помогло отключение сата портов и ненужных hdd На них. Не благодари ))
its not okay
What my 5800x3d had a curve optimizer.
I use -30 and -.0875v offset on my 5800x3d. I get the best core performance with that voltage setup. I had tried BCLK OC when I first got it, and just couldnt get stability with my mobo and this CPU, but I could with 5600g...
@@EMU1 -0.875 v? that is a lot.
@@erkinalp Should read .0875v. -.875v was not correct.
BCLK overclock on Ryzen sadly means no SATA.
I have a theory for those imensely high stock Vcore. The chip quality(the ccd itself) most likely is rly bad on those 5700X3Ds. Which makes perfectly sense, as AMD would have labeled them 5800X3D otherwise. They can not use two ccds(to increase yield) here because of the 3D vcache(splitting the vcache makes no economic sense), so bad binning seems to be the only way to put out a "budget 5800X(3D)" at competitive prices.
That high vcore also busts a myth AMD created around their 3D vcache SKUs. They said the 5800X3d is not overclockable because of the 3d vcache itself, which is allegedly sensitive to higher voltages.(They should have skipped the "X" for those non out of the box ocable SKUs).
Hm and now we have the 5700X3D with the highest vcore values we have seen yet with Ryzen 5000.
Nothing wrong about "recycling" bad bins, but locking the customer out from basic bios settings like core freq and voltage, rly is a let down from AMD. Seems like 3D v.-cache can handle up to ~1,4v perfectly fine, so they could at least open those settings within the safe limits of the vcache. AMD CPU team is so much more restrictive with user applyable settings compared to AMD's GPU devision.
nah 5950X runs higher Vcore in absolute terms. The Vcore is just really high relative to the core clocks the CPU runs at.
Please take you tinfoil hat off and listen to what BZ actually says.
1.4v will absolutely kill an AM4 3D chip.
@@therealkRon1kBS. If it stands 1.35v it will also most likely do 1.4v. It may degrade faster though.
@@andersjjensenCome down dude. Why do I wear a tinfoil hat when I just try to figure out reasons for AMDs high stock vcore on that 5700X3D SKU? Imagine, not everybody is just a Yeah sayer like you. Why do you even watch such content, when you are not even into ocing enough to make out your own thoughts?
My score is just 5000 points, wtf?? Does the memory matter this much??
From the clock and valtage behavior I would suppose it is ryzen 3000 silicone. AMD may used 3700x chiplets and put 3d-cache on top.
Is there a possibility to find out? I think the ccd, ccx complexes are different between 3000 and 5000 ryzen.
Well the 3700x is zen2 and 5800x3d is zen3
@@KL-ky8fy yes... and some years ago it was said that Zen2 was already prepared for 3d-cashe, but was delivered without.
No this can't be the case with 5700X3D as it has Zen 3 IPC and not Zen 2 IPC
If I could just get 105 bclk on my 5800x3d that would give me ~4.7GHz boost 😍
My i9-9900K 5.0/4.8 with tuned 4266cl16 33.8ns b-die could aleady reach 5700X3D fps quite a long time ago, which is crazy. But now it's a perfect cpu/upgrade for lasting AM4 builds in 2024.
Buildzoid, check out my latest comparison video between untuned vs tuned 9900K, there's basically no such side by side videos out there. Thanks! =)
Ye dude, 9900k gets the same FPS in your world (with 1060 perhaps?) when in mine regular 5700x surpasses 11900k and x3d chips surpass 12900ks in some titles
@@pcoverthink why don't you just challenge the numbers from my video? ;) If you're interested, I attached links in the pinned comment to other comparsons from my trusted channels. Some of them have zen3 tuned out with b-die, there are also 14500, 13600K, 14600K, 7600X, 7500f ones and I intentionally repeated the runs to show the ballpark fps in such games as AC Mirage, Plague Tale, Warzone, TLOU etc.
Try to beat my numbers with your tuned 5700x or 5700x3d, the reality might dissappoint you. The x3d isn't going to beat it in Warzone, Finals, many many other games (obviously it's better in some others).
I highly doubt zen3 (especially x3ds) will gain 25-40% in avgs/lows after a full tune.
And stock 11900K is faster than 5700x as well, stock 9900K is in the same ballpark too, a bit slower. You don't follow these mainstream numbers that run power limits right?
12900K with tuned ddr5 runs circles around 5800x3d, and it is very close to 7800x3d. You're making all of these claims here, do you even know the power of full ram/ring tuning, Especially now we're on an OC centered channel??? The reality is that a tuned intel system has always been at least slightly ahead in gaming stability of amd counterparts of that time.
Tuned out 9900K/10900K/11900K =~ stock 12700 6000 xmp =~ tuned 5700x3d. That is straightforward math. But these 12ths can do Way better, while older i9s and zen3 x3d are nearly at their max power in my example.
@@HeartOfAdel I checked your channel, you don't have an x3d chip. Even if your benchmarks are perfect, you just can't compare the number to any other review (Also, I can't find you mentioning any kind of channels anywhere) because a place where you test things will be different, as well as some of the settings or things like ReBar, driver version etc.
And yeah, I OC'ed about 50x DDR4 systems at this point and 3-5x DDR5 ones. I do full primary/secondary timing tune on any ICs and Ik that you see the most performance increase from this part of the process than from anything else.
I'll very likely do a comparison myself as I have 1 system on 9900K and another one on r3600 that will be upgraded to 5700x3d soon.
Thanks for taking time to test a proper OC on the same system btw. This stuff is hard to find here and rn I can't be bothered to do it myself.
@@pcoverthink thanks for watching! :)
Yes, unfortunately I don't have an x3d system. But other people do, and I've done limitless comparisons against many many benchmarks, gameplays, also compared to zen3 of my friend etc. It's not perfect by any means but I do know the ballpark fps for all these chips. And in the pinned comment people could at least have a closer idea (I don't know how you didn't find it, it's the very first one below the video, many runs were based off of these)
@@HeartOfAdel i hade the 9900k oc to delided 5.30 / 4.90 ring , with optimised tier 1 and 2 cl rams 37ns , trust me it's reealy reaaaly rare when the 9900k with it's max oc can get close the the 5800x 3d , +30% to +60% is the gap between a max oc 9900k vs a max oc 5800x3d with both optimised overlcoked rams , just for fun try farcry 6 or shadow of the tomb raider in-game benchmark low settings 720p and compared to any guy who own the x3d chip ... , the 9900k had his time but now it's time to move on ...
Its just a degraded / worse bin of a 5800X3D it wont be going all that far
Think of it like a 28nm GPU that has been pegged at its limits for 2 years straight it degrades to like 90% of the max frequency as at an atomic lvl it has shifted around
Degradation from use is dead but degradation during manufacturing is still a thing and the entire reason why everything isnt just a 7700x/ 7800X3D or 7950x / 7950X3D
My 5800x3d has to be the least fun cpu I've ever had for overclocking. It's a great cpu, but I feel like they totally sucked any fun you can have tuning it out of it from the start.
They really had this many dogpoop samples? I thought they were just cutting 5800x3d in price justify product release during CES.
Semiconductor yields are really poor these days. They produce at yields of like 1/3 performance bins, 1/3 cheap bins with disabled cores and lowered clocks, 1/3 completely defective and it takes serious effort to get to that level of yield and not have to pass 3/4 of samples straight into recycling.
A pretty underwhelming chip, barely sqeezin out 4.2ghz after kissing pcie 4.0 goodbye bcause of the BCLK overclock
man, the voltage is crazy! i have my 5 5600 at 4.75 with stock boost behavior retained, it can sustain 4650-4670 all core under load @ under 1.2V
no clock stretching
the way x3d chips are sadly lol. But the 3dcache does make up for it in games tho. When i had my 5800x before i had too get the 5700x3d cause i needed my system UP while i can RMA my 5800x cause it started too get plaq by whea errors otherwise i wouldn't did the upgrade. But even at 5120x1440p there is some boosts here and there not mind blowing cause yea my screen res but the 1% lows and min fps is alot better tho. currently running the cpu so it boosts up to 4.275- 4.285mhz. and holds around 4.193mhz in cinebench muti and with pbo -25 on per core
@@gordesky1 also, since the CPU has so much data in its cache, the speed and timings of RAM matter less. it's as if you had fast ddr5 while actually having ddr4
@@sunlbx yep that does make sense too ;) But yea there is no doubt the lower clock of the 3d chips gets too me still does really when i look at them hehe and well the overclocking too unless you do bclk ocing.. Cause i always had my pcs overclocked sense 2003 so got used too just seeing.. Well a high clock hehe. Best overclocking fun i had was on my am3 fx 8370 build still got it too but had that thing up too 5.1ghz and kept it around 4.9 daily from 3.3ghz lol.. Than ryzen came along while it was MUCH MUCH faster than fx cpus ryzen just was more so boring when it came too overclocking ... lol socket 754 was fun too with the DFI lanparty boards too ;)
@@gordesky1 doing bclk 104 on any ryzen is always worth it. everything on the chip works faster, cache, cpu cores, etc.
and you don't lose pcie 4.0
and the boost mechanism doesn't go off or crazy
BCLK overclocks………especially that high are never stable, and their effects on Sata and even Nvme’s in multiple Nvme configurations is never good.
Ironic that he complains about intel letting the board partners do whatever they want and thus instability but then with AMD he complains that he can't do anything. You'd think he'd realize that because of all the complaining about Intel lately he's much more likely to get the exact same thing (a lockdown) and not some perfect medium he would prefer.
my x570 taichi runs my 5800x3d at 106mhz lol
my x570 unify doesnt not even 101 always doesnt boot
I've gotten it to boot at 119 the highest, but it takes a long time at the boot up screen before the windows logon loads. After that the system runs without error so far. I've had corecycler running since 8am
I think it's taking so long because it's switching PCIE from gen 4 to whatever is stable
I've also found info that some people say this board also has an external clock gen but no options are available in the bios
@spiritw0lf like how long do u mean?
LoL - you are 2 days late on this video - I had a defective 5700x (sudden gust of gravity) and I didn't want to spend the money for the 5800x3d - but the clocks were too slow on the 5700x3d. I decided that the daily use was more important than the gaming configuration I have and I ended up just running the 5700x again. The pricing vs performance of the processors and my current needs dictated the 5800x3d or the 5700x - my wallet finished the decision.
10:31 bz this is bullshit, I have -30 CO on both my 5800X3Ds. Tried PBO2 Tuner yet?
this cpu doesnt have CO support. maybe later
5800X3D = Junk
I have both versions, the 5800X locked at 4.7 all core destroys the X3D.
So much cope for those trash CPU’s
@@South_0f_Heaven_it really doesn't. at least for gaming, that is. the stacked v-cache doesn't help with productivity workloads like renders.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Until you play something that hits cache REAL hard, like VRChat, Genshin or PlanetSide 2.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ what about bclk 103?
also, I had cache problems even on a non-X3D chip whet the SOC voltage was insufficient, or infinity fabric voltages.
mb
OC [?], who wants to launch the stacked cache on electromagnetic repulsion from some resistive back up in the system?
my 5800X blows that slack with lipstick thing away at all core 4.6 all the time. mb
Trash silicon for (almost) full price of 5800x3d
I mean, that's the point. The 5600X3D and 5700X3D are a way for AMD to sell 5800X3Ds where the 3D cache worked out, but the cores themselves underperformed or straight up failed.
disappointing cpu😅...
5600x3d should be better than 5700x3d ,right?