The TRUTH About WOMEN 'RUINING' GEEK CULTURE: It’s NOT What You THINK!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Every day, it seems like some female character, actress, woman writer/producer/director etc., is in hot water and claiming that toxic MEN are to blame. Here's my take.
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It's not women, it's ideology that is getting the backlash. Since they can't defend the ideology, they fall back on ridiculous accusations that don't work long term. This strategy has run its course and now everyone is getting tired of it and seeing it for what it is, a deflection.
Correct. I recall the director of Ghostbusters 2016 was a man? He carries the same ideologies as the other weirdos infesting everything.
Ideology, ego, people getting jobs based on connections instead of actual talent, the list goes on... far longer than it should be.
As in what did the philosopher Socrates once write? Essentially 'Insults are the tool for the loser of a debate.'
Even if these films were GREAT relative to their genres, it seems dishonest to say that they should succeed. If you looked at male led action films, it wouldn't be assumed that at ANY RANDOM MOMENT in the history of film that a Stallone clone would do well. If men are liked and a male-led action film could fail due to not reading the mood, then you could get a simple answer. Maybe it's the right movie at the wrong moment. So someone who worked on the Acolyte could argue that the problem was moral nuance at a time when the audience was more in the market for morally clear entertainment. They could argue that the exact same audience might have been more amenable to the film a year before or a year afterwards. Then they wouldn't need to wage war on the fans. Films fail. The people who made them (at great expense) aren't going to be able to see what the problem was. But antagonising the fans has dubious utility.
The women who are ruining geekdom were taught the ideologies we hear about. It's not like they were born that way.
You are not the problem, we *LOVE* women.
Identity politics is the problem.
Yep! I love seeing women, especially Snarky, 'cause she's so beautiful, and other beautiful women on screen like her kicking ass playing cool characters that I love, but they have to also be flawed human beings as well, otherwise, they're not gonna work as actual characters, bro! People don't like girlbosses! Or at least modern girlbosses! This is just fact!
The problem is not women, but humorless, talentless scolds who think they can change the world by nagging other people persistently enough. What makes it especially galling is that they want the targets of their nagging to pay them for the privilege of being nagged by them, and then nag them all the more if they refuse to pay.
Bingo. The forced aspects of feminism
Nope... It's crappy scripting, movies, books, acting, or whatever else hiding behind identity politics as a shield, and management letting them!
@@WilliamPeterson-lk4kz Indeed
Women and Men aren't the problem. Activists are the problem. If I'm going to watch any "geek" media, I'm not there to learn a lesson about life or DEI. I'm there to watch badasses be badasses on screen for a few hours.
It's not women, it's activists. Studios keep hiring activists to make their movies instead of storytellers.
It's women. These are male spaces being destroyed by women because they think differently than men. There is a growing political divide between men and women that proves we think differently, a divide that spans across several countries on all seven continents.
It’s women. There is a growing political divide between men and women that proves we think differently, a divide that spans several countries on all seven continents. The fact that this divide transcends cultures and national borders is evidence that it’s driven by a biological difference rather than a specific political or social grievance. Also, almost all of the female characters she mentioned that were popular with male audiences were written by men, for men.
The problem is that producers forces to do what they think activist want to please them, with the sole aim of making money for shareholders.
Big companies are apolitic, they just follow the wind without trying to underdtand it. If we get bad movies it is becauses people in charge pressure the artist to make quick money and they have no idea on how a movie is made.
@@Hunkie_Honkie I don't think it's entirely fair to attribute it to women and call it a day.
Every woke activist has a higher chance to be a woman, but it doesn't mean all women are woke activists. Similarly a geek is more likely to be a man, but it doesn't mean all men are geeks. There are woke activist men and there are geek women and these women that actually care about the work might do a good job.
I believe it's important to keep looking at all these things with a healthy dose of nuance, don't you agree?
There have always been nerdy girls who had a place in the geekdom, but the mainstream and popular girls who looked down on nerds and mainly mens' spaces in general bullied their way into them and ruined them all for everybody.
Facts
funny enough even to this day a bunch of popular girls targeting nerd/geek culture and only say "im a geek" because it has become mainstream trendy
It's like even many of us guy nerds/geeks WANTED our girlfriends to be into comics, etc. But like you basically said, either they just weren't interested in geek culture, or those that were were all but bullied by the "cool" girls. I even remember a number of times whenever some girl came into a comic book shop on her own, she was NEVER kicked out or harassed by the guys. She was almost given the princess treatment! Again, because we WANTED more girls to be into sci-fi stuff etc....
@@neonxraven99 Sad but true. It's like a friend of mine once said "You even got some women like 'The KarTRASHians' (Kardashians) calling themselves geeks, just because they went to a highly mainstream and commercialized Comic-Con, and now Marvel stuff is all but LITERALLY a fashion 'brand'. But ask them why Wednesday is a significant day for most comic book stores, and watch their eyes glaze over with a puzzled look on their faces."
So yes, modern women ruined it...
Terminator was co-created by Gale-Anne Hurd, James Cameron's then wife.
She also produced Aliens & Abyss, with Cameron. After they divorced, she continued to work as a producer in Hollywood, was involved with Phase 1 of the MCU & the early season of TWD show, among other projects.
The problem are not female writers/producers/directors.
The problem are activist hack Karens, who are more interested in promoting an ideology or satisfy their narcissism instead of writing a good story/ directing a good movie/show.
Hey, women didn't exist before Jennifer Lawrence. You're lying.
She was the VERY FIRST female action hero starring in a movie!
@@haewymetalCharlie’s angels?
@dopestbynature Never happened because Jennifer Lawrence didn't make it.
Pam Grier in any number of Blaxploitation films, kicking arses and taking names, in the 1970s.
@adriancampbell6924 Didn't happen. Jennifer Lawrence was the first black women
We owe Lucille Balle, a woman, for Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek wasn't being touch by any of the studios, they thought it looked nuts. But Lucille Balle, who had her own studios, Desilu Studios, loved the idea and gave Gene a place to make his science fiction show, and backed it so it would have its chance on the air.
Don't forget Dorothy "DC" Fontana, writer on those original Star Trek episodes.
Recent example: Fallout. So awesome! Grace Randolph actually said out loud she couldn’t figure out why men liked Fallout but not The Acolyte if it’s just toxic misogyny going on. She couldn’t quite get there… BECAUSE PEOPLE OF BOTH GENDERS DISLIKE LAME STORIES AND BAD ACTING AND PANDERING TO THE DIVERSITY OBSESSED!
Grace still tonedeaf sometimes but she got better due to her audience roasting her and checking her bad opinions. I hope they continue to do that so she stop looking like a fool
Counterpoint: I hated Fallout by the end of the series, but because I felt that the writing and direction progressively went to shit, not because of Purnell's superb performance and certainly not because of her chromosomes.
@@rogerborg ding ding ding
PREACH.
Well she is a newyork liberal elite in her ivory tower looking down on us peasants who .Need .To. Do .Better.
Well, the simple answer is this is women who have worked in the industry back, then actually cared what they were writing, and they actually cared about making the Fanbase happy and they understood what they were working with
That is an oversimplification. The women working in the industry today were raised in a highly gynocentric society that does nothing to constrain female nature. There is a growing political divide between men and women that proves we have natural differences in how we think and what we value most. The fact that this divide transcends cultures and national borders is evidence that it’s driven by a biological difference rather than a specific political or social grievance.
@@Hunkie_HonkieNah, the political shift is increasing a lot within the new generation and they are not different biologically.
The problem is mainly cultural.
Just look it in the other way. What if the shoft grow because mens whant to go back to a system were they were priviledged while women are more and more fade up with ?
In any case constraining anyone to their percived nature is bad.
The problem is activists who don't see stories, but rather a platform to further their own agenda, you see the same thing in games 'journalism' where they'll twist a review about a console into a political article. They're like locusts, once they've devoured something then they just move onto the next thing, be it games, shows, movies or comics, the result is always the same.
The reason we've seem such a huge rise in this is because these geek hobbies that were once pretty niche have gone mainstream in recent times, and as a result more of these activists have latched onto them as they're the biggest platform around. That's why I'm not to bothered to see these huge franchises start to diminish, I'm ready for them to become niche again.
Of course it's always worth mentioning that some things are just good old fashioned bad.😆
Exactly. It is not about women, it is about left ideology.
It's not "modern audiences" or "progressive values", it's literally DEI and BRIDGE initiatives funded by a mega corporation. also you should be bothered. sweet baby wasn't the last one, it was one of the first.
It’s disheartening how Furiosa was received. The script, along with Fury Road and the unreleased Wasteland, was written simultaneously over a decade ago, long before the current wave of activism took hold in the industry. Despite the strong content, the film faced boycotts.
This might explain why Vin Diesel leans heavily into the commercially successful Fast & Furious franchise, rather than focusing on the more niche, Riddick series.
@@qobikwezi656 Yeah, it really sucks waiting every damn decade for a potential new *_Riddick_* film. Luckily *_Riddick 4_* is currently filming. That might not have been the case had Vin Diesel and David Twohy didn't shoot for the moon with the second film.
@@Wolverine626 The second film is the best of the series. The soundtrack, cast, and world-building were exceptional. However, I feel it was poorly marketed, and they left out crucial character development, relegating it to the games Escape from Butcher Bay and Dark Athena. While those games are great, I just wish the stories had been told more effectively within the films themselves.
The fans haven’t really been supporting the *Riddick* franchise either. I tried creating a community on Facebook back in 2013, but only about four thousand people joined, and very few were active. At the time, everyone was more into *Game of Thrones*, *The Walking Dead*, and *Vampire Diaries*. The *Riddick* group didn’t have the same engagement as those other fandoms, so I eventually gave up and moved on. It’s great to meet another fan of the *Riddick* franchise though-it’s rare to find others who appreciate it!
'All that matters is a good story'
She speaks the truth!
Yeah, try finding one that's well written and put together
It's about activists (men & women) using our fandoms as platforms. Disingenuous people manipulating what we enjoy under the guise of "insert cause du jour". You summed it up fantastic SJ.
Corporation trying to milk geekdom 😂
@@math_7911 They have been doing that for ever. how does it explaing the results in the past 5 years?
Genre started making too much money and a bunch of tourists and fraud and activist infested the industry.
They could literally go take their crap to CNN or mainstream media
Some of the greatest (& most popular) Sci-Fi Writers of all time were women, try this list if you’re not convinced:
Anne McCaffery
Lois McMaster-Bujold
C.J. Cherryh
Andre Norton
Ursula K. Le Guin
Margaret Atwood
Leigh Brackett (who in addition to her many novels co-wrote what is arguably the greatest Sci-Fi Movie Screenplay of all time: “The Empire Strikes Back”).
These women helped build Science Fiction what it is today. All of them were criticized as some point in their careers & NEVER EVER screamed misogyny but took the criticism like an adult & got better the next time!
I am a lifelong fan of all the writers that I listed above but am NOT a fan of Leslye Headland & Kathleen Kennedy, does anyone DARE call me a misogynist?
I don’t know much about these women, but if they’re really good and not pretentious activists, like Kennedy and Headland, then they have my respect.
Every one of those ladies is an absolute legend.
But you are one, you can't criticise them, you'll hurt their feelings 😂
Leigh Brackett also adapted screenplays for Rio Bravo and The Big Sleep, which were John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart movies, respectively. I can't imagine two lead actors who had more iconic masculine on screen personalities.
I think greed and corporatism on speed ruined the geek culture what was once ours is now theirs 😢
@@gerryvera8350 look at mass effect. Bioware provided data on wich Shepard is played the most and it's female Shepard. Mass effect is one of the best gaming franchise .
@@Paul-se4wc I liked mass effect minus the last one.
Bob Iger's greed ruined everything.
Blackrock forcing change with esg scores did. Not greed.
I wish it was just greed and corporatism, but but it's really the propaganda arm of the centralized government pushing brainwashing agendas to our youth
It's never been women that are the problem, it's tourist ideologues who today happen to be women mostly. SnarkyJays have always been welcome.
Here's the thing: if you're a woman who actually belongs in a given geek culture?
You're gonna take it as it is, like it as it is, and continue to do so as long as the core content stays true to what popularized it with its core demographic.
The end.
If you're a woman who shows up singing:
"I just wish that-"
You're the problem. 1/1000 of the same problem in different bodies waiting to spoil it for everyone else.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Change alone is not the problem.
And let's be honest, most women who want to be part of whatever group are like the second example, and in general women are more likely to group up behind someone like that due to social pressure. So while strictly speaking, it's not about gender, in the end it still is.
@@defeqel6537
EXACTLY.
(It does not take a PHD to figure out that socially-led beings tend to be on the same page.)
Kathryn Bigelow - POINT BREAK! Best action movie EVER!
One needs look no further than Arcane. A show led mostly by two female lead characters who aren't sexualized (within the show. The internet will sexualize anything), and are universally beloved because of amazing writing.
I thought it was a mid show myself. Then, I've never cared for anything LoL since that community is either the peak of toxicity or the nicest and almost zero in between.
Show wasn't bad by any means though. Just wasn't my cup of tea.
@@CommanderRedEXE I wouldn't know. I personally knew almost nothing about the game before watching the show. I knew it existed and had a vague idea of what the play was like. Honestly thought the show was going to suck once I realized it was based on the game. I was happily very wrong.
Bruh 🤜🏻🤌🏻
@@CommanderRedEXE The story is quite simple, yes, but it's their characters that are the highlight of the series (and they're very well written if I may say so myself). But yeah, it's good to admit that it's just not your thing.
Though technically not writing it, A New Hope was edited by a woman making the movie so much better. She turned the writing into the masterpiece that it became.
My understanding is she also had a lot if input on the dialogue as Lucas is by no stretch of the imagination a normal functional human
I believe that is true but even with that input, the movie became so much better through the editing to get the right shots and dialogue combo.
@jamm1422 I'd say that input was essential, you just have to look at the prequel Trilogy to see what Lucas left to his own devices thinks normal human communication looks like
This is BS, she did no more than the other editors, who were men, and they all followed Lucas' instructions
@@defeqel6537 actually going through old documentaries and interviews, she was the one that brough back all the emotion and dialogue continuity to the story. So in essence she did more than the other editors, one of which was Lucas himself. I am most definitely not taking away from what the others contributed but she was one of the main reasons that Star Wars became as good as it was.
Yes!!! Finally a woman who calls it what it is! Great Job! 👏
But this not explains why we have review bombing of products people have not seen yet. They are preventively bombed, and that's because of a problem they have with women.
Too bad other women ruined my opinion on women.
Carrie Fisher (Our Princess) was also an editor (or ghost editor) on several big films. She was often brought in to work on dialogue to make it more natural. Pity she wasn’t brought in for the prequels…
If they get a Ouija board they can get her as a ghost writer on the new following shows :D
If only Force ghosts were a real thing!
It's not 'women'. There are female fans who enjoy the material. It's ideological karens that arent fans of the material, but pretend to be, who just want to change and control it to suit their ideology.
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Do they enjoy it? I mean, they are so intent on destroying and changing it. Why change something you like?? I think they see these things as a platform to become famous on. >They're using the material. They don't enjoy it.
Exactly
@@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat it's not the female fans who enjoy the material who are making ideological reinterpretations. The people changing and disrespecting the material obviously weren't fans in the first place.
You preach sister! lol I'm so tired of false narratives. People don't like poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed schlop. It's such a strange thing that everyone wants to consume worthwhile content.
Didn't a woman (DC Fontana) write a ton of the original Star Trek episodes??? I'm pretty sure she did.
Yes she did. She was an amazing writer.
Also uhura broke barriers in the 60s for the first interracial kiss with Kirk. Back than that was taboo
@@jccardenas8803 Michelle McLaren wrote some of the best episodes of breaking bad wich won awards . Also a lot of women go from acting to directing. Gillian Anderson did it for xfiles
@Paul-se4wc mythology. That was not even close to the first interracial kiss broadcast on TV.
We also had strong female protagonists like Ripley in the first 4 Alien films, The Species films could go on but yes, Hollywood is just trying to push a toxic agenda sadly 😢
Are these women that accuse men of being misogynists, misandrists?
Don't forget Mary Shelley
Without whom we might not have science fiction.
I mean she only created one of the most iconic monster of all-time.
@@TheYoungDoctor scifi has existed longer than mary. but she did start the whole gothic horror genre. also her work is pretty much step 3 or 4 why goths now are people who wear a ton of black, rather than barbarians that invaded rome.
Percy wrote that shit.
It took my brain a while to get it. She's the creator of Frankenstein, right?
Let's not forget to give Leslie Headlamp her credit for being the personal assistant and right hand to Harvey Weinstien. She's a "woman" who helped create a monster and turned a blind eye to his actions
I'm a 45 year old straight white guy and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the show) is my favorite piece of media ever created. I am able to identify with almost every character male or female on the show because they're all relatable, flawed, believable characters.
It's INSANE to me that so many of today's writers say Buffy (and by extent Angel) inspired so much of their writing because they're not alike at all. Like DUDE, what show were you watching cause it wasn't what I've been watching for the last 27 years. 😂
I thought Buffy ended like shit but it was the 90s
@@821lancevanceFirst off the show ended in the 00's, and the ended to season 7 was great. The whole point of that ending was to show that Buffy is finally free.
Buffy really is an amazing show, I love the humour and the balance between that and serious tones
@@timothypolanco8622 yawn 🥱
@@821lancevance lol thanks for not wasting anybody's time and just taking this L right off the bat 💯😂
You forgot Lindsay Wagner as Bionic Woman & Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman
I would've hated the force awakens even more if they made the main character a guy. It's bad enough that they copied the original plot point for point, almost. I'd have been who the fuck is this Luke Skywalker wannabe! Lmao
Honestly I saw some potential for making Finn the leading Jedi. There could have been some interesting story elements about feeling like he betrayed his original cause, coming to terms with his new identity. He could have had a long rivalry where everything is going great until the golden stormtrooper shows up.
@deoxxys I agree they wasted Finns story. I mean, he was a stormtrooper, and then we found out he's force sensitive and can use a lightsaber! There's the first 2 jedi of the new jedi order.
Yes don't take away our male characters for the sake of the cringe strong female character. It's worked for years. You can have both. Important male and female characters. Stop this woke nonsense.
This is the result of an entire coddled generation of participation trophies. “I didn’t fail. It’s your fault i didn’t succeed. Where’s my trophy?”
Yup, everyone is "special" and "deserves to be heard" now. Some people are too dumb to have a voice tbh.
I love the silly idea that a generation of children invented participation trophies, nah chief a generation of lazy boomer parents decided that instead of doing the hard work of explaining that not everyone gets a trophy (you know, parenting) they threw a fit and demanded everyone gets a trophy for showing up because their precious little cherub deserves one too.
I got a participation trophy growing up, but I didn't feel special. We lost, I spent every game picking dandelions in the outfield, so I was well aware I didn't deserve a trophy.
I don't approve of woke ideologies, and Aliens is my absolute favorite movie.
Social Media's the problem. Now people need to be SEEN as the good guy.
NAILED IT 💯
I never understand if this is supposed to be denigrating to the kids who got trophies. It's not like they were out spending their money on trophies. Says more about the boomer generation raising them, if anything.
You’re absolutely right, Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein and Zoe Saldana was a strong character in the Avatar films. James Cameron has had several strong women lead actors. Even Battle Angel has a strong female lead. The problem is the perceived grievance by the creators who blame the audience when their product is crap.
Exactly! Using identity politics as a shield because people cannot muster introspection is so cowardly and lazy. Everyone can see that. How is this helping them if the excuse is so poor that people see through it.
Nah, it'd not women who ruined it. It's non-geeks realizing there is a ton of $ to be made so they buy into it and then change everything because they understand nothing about what made it good in the first place.
Sort of true. They change it to boost sales, without having knowledge about if it will increase sales. And when facts bite them in the rear and sales drop, they don't want to take responsibility for making the wrong decision. It is just a bunch of theory-crafters who go "Hey, if we make Alien all-ages, we can sell to kids too."
Excellent point!
Yeah, so women.
Yep.
Sort of the way people ruined collecting comics, action figures etc. Just for the $$$ not for the love. Now everything is expensive as hell.
Nobody undermines women more than women.
Mona Lisa Vito was the heroine in My Cousin Vinny.
- Her testimony won the trial. As a result two youts were saved from the death penalty and she was able to get married on top of that. Oh, and now that actress is Aunt May in Tom Holland's Spiderman.
"Two hwat?"
It’s funny that when a show with a male leading character fails, the media doesn’t blame women for hating men! Hmmmmm
Emily Blunt as Rita Vrataski of Edge of Tomorrow was a strong woman, would love a prequel.
Agreed.
Edge of Yesterday
Prequel would be awesome for this movie. I rewatch it all the time cause there isn't enough of this story.
@@daxtertalon4 LOL!
It’s complete trash that you’ve faced misogyny. I think your opinions on movies, tv shows, etc are spot on!
Let's not ever forget Diana Rigg as Mrs Peele! I know, I'm old.... Also a conversation on this subject is incomplete without mentioning Marcia Lucas, who edited, and by most reports, saved, A New Hope.
I had a huge crush on Diana Rigg. She was awesome! Yeah, I'm also pretty old...😂
Mrs. Emma Peele, her first name should have been Sexa.
It's people who think they have to change something, rather than actual fans, that are the problem.
Let's not forget that the first time Disney Star Wars let us down was a film directed by a man, Rian Johnson. The whole gender thing is just a cover up for Disney to not accept responsibility for a poorly made product.
Is Rian a man though?
@@821lancevance Biologically, yes. Unless you're inferring something about his psychology?
A Force Awakens sucked first. Just a rehash of A New Hope with no explanation for who the first order are or how they became so powerful, too many characters introduced, a Mary Sue main character, too many story arcs started for his BS mystery box style. It was doomed from the beginning.
@@happyjonn9242 I thought that the First Order was the Empire with a name change, thought that was obvious. But yeah, TFA was definitely a rehash that sucked.
I think it'd be interesting if JJ Abrams was the director of TLJ instead of Rian Johnson.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure misandry is a far bigger problem than misogyny.
it is, but men are largely wired to run to women's defense, while the opposite is not true
Snarky Jay is correct that there have been many very successful shows written by women and/or starring women. But that's a problem because their success undermines the message that misogyny is baked into our society. Desperate times call for desperate measures, so showrunners have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to produce bad shows starring women to provoke hatred that can be repurposed as misogyny.
I appreciate your nuanced take that men and women can produce garbage or gold.
As you yourself have pointed out, the current problem is the hiring of talentless hacks, who have no interest or worse, outright disdain for the properties they are working on. It isn't about an interesting narrative moved forward by character driven choices, it's vanity works shoehorned into a fandoms content.
House of the Dragon, My Adventures with Superman and projects like Penguin prove the talent still exists. Maybe even that we are starting to move back toward merit on writing staff. I have doubts, Star Trek have killed off Lower Decks and Rings of Power still exists, i guess time will tell
Doctor Who had plenty of strong female characters Barbara Wright, Sara Kingdom, Sarah Jane Smith, Leela, Romana, Tegan Jovanka, Ace McShane, Professor Benny Summerfield, Roz Forrester and Compassion. Plus Doctor Who 's first producer was Verity Lambert and Delia Derbyshire was behind the theme tune.
The Rani. Sure, she was a baddie but she was no shrinking violet!
You dont pick one side, instead you balance the true from the false and i love it!
B4 watching full video. The problem would be activists. Most of the activists just so happen to be women and white knight men which may be a cover for greed. 99% of all Stories are for everyone because real stories have tension and lessons.
I absolutely love every argument of this video. It takes all of the arguments that hyper-feminism rely on to reinforce their worldview and turns them back. You're saying exactly what they'd say, but you're destroying their argument at the same time. It's epic and true. We want to celebrate women. Every point you made about women's success in this vid was a definite "HELL YEAH!" It's funny how we're so eager to support and celebrate authenticity in women's triumphs. It's when it's demanded when unearned at the cost of truth and experience that we are so quick to shut that shit down.
It's not women ruining the media it's the mentality that's the issue specially activist and there are women like you who are interested in the Geek Culture and promote it when ever you can
"We've always done well when the contents is good!" preaaaaach!!!! Loved it! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👌
Add to:
Misogyny is flung around a lot but Misandry is ignored ◀️ & that really is 9/10th of the problem by a small group w/ small minds!
Hey, Jay! Just saw your videos on hate comments. I'm so impressed by you dealing with those M*F*s! Never change! Never back down! Love form Hamburg, Germany!
I don't think you're the problem, Miss Jay. I think you're the solution.
You are absolutely correct Snarky. STORIES, WRITING, ACTING and then PRESENTATION. As the saying goes "That's Entertainment!"
"Feminism" ruins everything it touches.
Real women enhance things.
@gooshy8312 I'm glad you made it through the filter to say that. I was pretty sure I wouldn't.
@@thatsnotoneofmeatsmanyuses1970
I think Google's algorithms and AIs are slowly going mad and losing control.
But then, I'm an optimist!!
The most pertinent issue is that mordern female writers can't script a character without their stupid ideology. Yes those women where script writers okay fine but when a man writes or directs and the movie is a failure, do we see these men blasting women for their failures. The entire film industry is dead to me now I am hollow on the inside.
Corporate America believe money and an idea is enough to produce bad products. Writing and adaptation to a new media has been lost. The gender of the person making the decision isn't the issue. Keep it up, Jay!
This is corporatism under activism. Nepo-babies inherited high positions in these companies and are playing out their agendas/issues through HR and the corporate structures.
I think this is one of your best commentaries. You really knocked it out of the park with your examples. Great video.
Oh dont forget THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT, with Geena Davis, that's a cool female character........oh and Hit Girl on kickass
A side story but back in high school I was part of a Dungeons and Dragons club who also actively played Yu-Gi-Oh. We had tournaments, even teachers joined in. Girls who were friends of mine and the other members would come in to watch and even sometimes play using our cards and figures. No one cared, everyone was welcomed. I don't know where this came perspective came from, but maybe my group of friends were the exception.
Jeri Taylor comes to mind as one of the most influential woman writers, who wrote/co-wrote/produced many episodes of Star Trek TNG, Voyager and Deep Space Nine. She wrote some of my favorite Star Trek episodes including "Unification". I agree that the argument that women are to blame holds no weight. I believe the issue lies in a broader cultural shift, where people, regardless of gender, are less inclined to put in the hard work required to achieve excellence.
The fans wanted a stand alone black widow....but it was too late when they did
Too late, and poorly written
Women are def not the problem, women love geek culture and are a part of it just like men. The problem is tourist coming and and trying to change our culture. They don't really like geek culture or they wouldn't be changing it.
I love women in the geek space. What I don’t like is the Victim mentality that ruins so many great franchises.
I think you forgot about The Marvels and Echo and I'm assuming Secret Invasion
Yeah, we though She-Hulk had problems and then Secret Invasion came in saying "Hold my Beer". That's time I'll never get back.
If there's one studio that's infected by weirdos who hates the source material, it's definitely Marvel Studios. Now you can add Agatha to the list.
Excellent video, Jay! Thanks!
I'm not one.... I love women. 💜💜💜
And another example to your point is the show runner for Penguin. Lauren LeFranc (a woman) wrote several episodes, including the pilot, and that show has a ton of potential. She made Sofia Falcone truly menacing and a worthy threat to Oz and to other mobsters. And, to that point, Cristin Milioti is portraying Sofia as a strong, smart, driven, capable (albeit a psycho nutter) woman. And people are loving it. Love your channel and your voice against woke culture that blames white men for all their problems is much appreciated. Keep up the great work.
The writer of the first Science fiction novel, Frankenstein, was a woman; Mary Shelly. Women is science fiction has been around for a very long time. The inventor of science fiction was a woman in 1818. That this should now suddenly be an issue is very silly and convenient for those who don't want to exert any creativity.
it's not women that ruined geek culture.. it's feminism.
Misandry exists in hollywood too. Kathlene kennedy for example
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That was pretty fire love when you dig up stuff like that and throw it back
You are also educating the community on things that people that enjoy this genre may be unaware of
We can go back to the early years of TV, like The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy, Laugh-ins, Sid Caesar's variety show, The Carol Burnette Show--all of them had women either at the top of the creative heap or very close. All those shows were well-crafted and produced, and I don't ever remember thinking as a kid, boy there's a lot of women on TV and that's a problem. It's only now because in an era of silos and info-cults that we get this nonsense to the degree we do.
Even before that there were powerful women in Hollywood going back to the beginning and silent movies.
You are right, but I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. The difference now is women have more of a voice behind the scenes and they are in positions of power, it's a gift and a curse. Sigourney Weaver and Sharon Stone spoke on this. Mostly everything female was written and directed by men back in the day. Many women did things just to get work. Many were used and abused. I miss the 90's for sure but those were different times. People like Harvey had all the power, that's no longer the case. Some women choose to be provocative, and some don't. It's a more of a choice now. Some needed to be to get fame, like Johanson. Now she is a big star and has the power to do as she pleases. Many studios are progressive now and afraid of backlash and HR. The old days are gone and not coming back. You may get a gem here and there as far as female characters. The past has come back to haunt.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 great point!
@@docsavage8640 and that's even more powerful. Thank you.
Well done, Snarky Jay. Absolutely fantastic.
The issue is these kinds of stories appeal to male power fantasies and values. It's why they are popular. Most women are never going to watch fantasy or comic stuff. The few women who would were already watching before you tried to appeal to them by excluding any male fans
No-one is mad that it's a woman. They're mad that it's an activist, and if you're a woman in Hollywood, you have to be an activist..
I can do this all day as well. I do enjoy your channel. It's not you. Anything a man enjoyed has been ruined in the last 30 years. What's the problem? The real conspiracy in the world is that men are just being taken down.
Indeed, no male-only spaces are allowed
Came straight to the comments without watching the video. Good to see everyone is agreeing that the problem isn't women, it's that they hire unqualified people who make a bad product and don't want the consumer to enjoy themselves.
Thankyou for making this vid Jay! A lot of us dudes have been screaming from the rafters that there have been plenty of women led productions that have been awesome like Kill Bill, yet men still are getting labeled as women-hating. Men LOVE to see cool ass/badass characters such as Trinity, all the ladies of Kill Bill, Laura Croft (Angelina Jolie), etc, etc.
The real problem is that a lot of far left NON-FANS (or even feminists) have taken over pop culture productions. Men and women, but a lot of the women led failed productions (either produced, directed, or character inserted) were of what were once male dominated IP's like Star Wars / Terminator, as prime examples.
The main problem has been women stepping into these genre's and REPLACING the male characters, or disrespecting them in a way that talks down to them
See:
- "Terminator Dark Fate"
- Kathleen Kennedy's Lucasfilm as a whole
- Indiana Jones
- Willow
- James Bond
- Ghostbusters 2016 (which seems to be the catalyst for this timeline)
- etc.
Not all of us compassionate woman are loved by all men
Well Said!!!!! Thank you for another EXCELLENT video, your work is appreciated!!
Honestly it's not women in general in the industry that are an issue, in fact there's a number of iconic women who helped pioneer the industry since at least the early 80s such as Roberta Williams who co-founded Sierra Entertainment and creator of the King's Quest games. The problem we're currently facing in the industry is more activists (predominantly female) who have embedded themselves into the industry for malicious reasons and their intentions have become more apparent to gamers. I fully support women who genuinely want to be in the industry to make good games that gamers will want to play. I'm against activists in the industry who want to use it to push their beliefs on others.
I've been a gamer since the early 80s and was around when the crash in 83 happened. A big part of the crash was a flooding of very bad games into the market and many being games that were for promoting certain products. The crash wiped out about 80% of the industry in the US which was mostly just companies making bad games. We're facing a similar situation of a flood of bad games but instead of promoting various products for advertising, it's a massive flood of promoting political ideology into games. Which we're seeing a lot of similarities to what happened in 83. The good thing about that crash was it cleared out bad companies and made room for companies that made good games. It also started new standards in the industry that were constantly being improved upon to make the industry great for years. We're also seeing this with a number of games by smaller companies that are bringing back the older standards that were abandoned by many AAA companies, which has these companies and activists very scared.
I remember that too. It was the commercialism being forced on games rather than being good or great games. The great thing that came out of that buried heap was the rise of talent that wanted great games again by crossing boundaries but not facilitate on a violent or sexual message and yet in the 90's we faced that censorship. But now its Activists from tiktok redit twitter world, not governments, trying to impose bans - doxxing- coercion - and forcing you to accept identity politics as well as marxist innuendos as the good guys and if you dont like our game the problem is you.
@@mosj9876 in the 90s the censorship was limited, arcade games for example weren't affected by this but certain arcade games such as Mortal Kombat, when ported to consoles, did get censored to a point. Computer games were also not censored like console games in the 90s and a number of computer games that would've been prohibited from being sold in stores such as GameStop were still sold in CompUSA, Software Ect, and a number of other stores. This includes Ultima 7 part 2 which had a means of making all characters in a certain area appear without clothes and Daggerfall where female or female like characters could be shown unclothed/topless. The censorship in consoles was more due to parents and even then it was limited.
@@desmien679 True MK was targeted by the gov, but it was mostly religious institutions and some secular individuals who wanted games in general to be banned. I only remember this because our church recommended to get rid of music and games that give "demonic" enticement to kids and teens because it was religious networks like TBN, 700 club, PTL and even Evangelical broadcastings trying to influence the government to ban music, games and music that it was destroying the youth. It worked convincing religious families to do just that, but overall most of us kids knew how to separate fantasy from reality.
@@desmien679 True the gov went after MK, but it was mostly Religious institutions that spear headed that movement. Sure, there were some secular radicals but mostly it was the Evangelical community. I know this first hand because our church along with TBN, PTL, and 700 club were promoting banning and even asking the gov to force that while making claims the music, games, and movies were ruining our youth. There was censorship of certain aspects of certain game's violence in the US but I learned it was more perpetrated in Europe at that time. For instance, Contra protagonists Bill n LAnce and the enemies were replaced by Robots because they didnt want HUmans killin Humans. Sega was the only company with balls to add a code in order to make the blood red in MK.
@@mosj9876 well the government did go after a number of certain games around that time but you are right that they only did it after complaints about the games by the public. Night Trap and a number of others were very controversial. In fact there were a number of Atari games in the 70s/80s that had their own controversy and not just because of the violence such as the game Death Race. Yes some came from religious figures but it was mostly parents than religious leaders. I was playing MK in arcades long before it went to console. In fact I enjoyed playing KI more than MK and that game had a finisher that would've been far more controversial than the fatalities from MK (Orchid's Heart Atrack). The thing was that they were more focused on MK on console than they were on the arcade version and I don't remember anything being done regarding KI which was later ported from arcades to SNES.
Remember that computer games in the 90s were also facing less backlash than MK was regarding this issue until years later. I mean Leisure Suit Larry from the 80s was receiving practically no backlash for it's adult content. In regards to violent 90s games, Syndicate which was very very violent computer game received absolutely no backlash for it's violence. Same with a number of other arcade games in the late 80s and early 90s such as Narcs where you'd have body parts flying all over the screen from blowing someone up. The censorship in the older games was more limited in both the platform and to specific games while other games were ignorrd despite having been more gruesome or adult oriented.
Well spoken, you are a true Gem Snarky Jay, you're so on point!!!
Great point! Simply putting men in the rolls of any of those failed films would have made it just as shitty.
Yes, I always say if you put Legolas in place of Galadriel in this Rings of power series the disaster would be the same.
It's not women. it's never been women. It's the people who keep trying to make geek stuff "for everybody," and it's not for everybody, and it never was. The only problem is we were so eager to be accepted by the "normal" or "cool" crowd that we didn't gatekeep our spaces properly
I love Women it just the way certain characters are written that’s the problem they force us down our throats and make them unbelievably powerful while make them unbearable characters at the same time. And we as movie goers aka us Men (because we take up the population of going to the movies) we don’t want to see anything of that we don’t mind seeing females on the screen but we just to want to see these Females be organic, Badass, Sexy, Believable & Smart characters.
I grew up in the 70's and 80' watching great tv shows like Charlie's Angeles, Wonder Woman, Police Woman, Bionic Woman...the list goes on. Look at how well Tulsa King and The Old Man are doing, no politically correct BS or DEI rubbish, just good old fashioned story telling plain and simple.
Hey hey hey hey hey!
Where's Col. Samantha Carter from Star Gate?
She literally blew up a sun! C'mon give her some respect! At the very least she deserves a name drop!
SG-1 fan here as well 🙂 Sam was baddass. I liked Elizabeth Weir character too.
Women aren’t the problem,
1) ideologues are the problem.
2) narcissist are the problem (in the creator space)
but that’s not gender specific in either case.
The problem isn't women in men's spaces. It's trying to qualifying women just because they're women, and not by merit and experience.
Preach it, Jay. :)
The difference is, men as a rule don't scream 'Misandry!' when something done by men fails.
Whereas many women scream 'Misogyny!' when something done by women fails.
Yes, misogyny exists.
That doesn't mean it exists always!
Not to mention, men generally don't immediately start shunning some woman if she is claimed to be a misandrist, but women are more likely to do to a man claimed to be misogynist, especially if that's the group sentiment. Women as individuals are not the problem (except for specific individuals), but women as a group absolutely change things they become a part of, often not for the better.
Yeah, I agree. A poorly written piece of fiction (I hate the term content) is poorly written. Period.
On the topic of women in geek culture - up until few years ago I didn't notice it being a problem. Up until then in my head the situation was - If you are a man that has a geeky lady friend that has interest in Star Wars, Marvel, video games, what have you... great.
Somewhere around 2015 and the Force Awakens and after 2016's Ghostbusters things started to change. Especially, around the time of the Ghostbusters that I can't stand. Around this time the topic turned from: Yeah, this movie sucks because it's badly written to Yeah, if you don't go and watch the new Ghostbusters and support it, you are a misogynist, racist and the whole shebang. And it got worse and worse after that: Charlie's Angels 2019; Terminator whatever 2019 and so on and so forth.
To sum it - for me the whole "Women "ruining" geek culture" conversation is a very straw man-heavy discourse. The majority of geek culture sucks plain and simple. It is boring and it's very watered-down version of its best self.
PS: Furiosa's problem was that it had a female protagonist. The main problem was that Furiosa is a very one-note protagonist. Also, Anja-Taylor Joy was an awful miscast. There was a good movie somewhere burred under this whole mess of a script.
No men are tired of male ips being taken over by woman ghost of tsushima just did this so did John wick. It's a trope that's tired
The problem isn’t writers and actors or characters who are women. It is writers and actors or characters who are hired and written into works solely because they are women. When you prioritize identity over story, you fail to tell a good story or make compelling entertainment.
Is 1:35 in this clip referring to 1:55:05 on the latest Drinkers After Hours ?
Probably.
Though, Disparus point is just that men and women structure their working environments differently , in accordance with their respective biologic tendencies, that can be beneficial or detrimental to the product , depending on what genre they are implemented into .
He never made the claim that women shouldn't be allowed in the writers room.
I was thinking the same thing. @Snarky Jay should have spoken up. It would have been a good debate and I think everyone there would have had points to make without attacking each other. I do think part of the problem is we are telling the men that any inclination to lead or be a loaner is male toxicity. And at the same time it is encouraged that females need to want to lead and any woman who wants to lead is promoted. The other thing that people don't talk about is male leaders are followed either because of charisma, merit, force or fear. For everyone to follow a female it is usually by merit or it was given to them. The female leaders who do it from merit have a large following.
Funny thing is I saw this video before the drinker and I had to rewatch it. I could tell she didn’t really like the comments he made but she was being professional about it.
It's so refreshing to see a woman with an honest take on the problem, who isn't just blaming it on misogyny.
The bottomline is if you start with good content, a good story, good characters you will have good results. Most of the entertainment today is just shoehorning in characters that don't belong or make zero sense to the overall story for the sake of diversity points. Also ignoring your core audience is not helping them in the slightest!
Far left man hatting toxic feminist are the problems, not women.
I love women even in leadership positions. The ones without a chip on their shoulders.
You're great! 😅
Hit the nail on the head 🔨
As well as a constructive, de-construct of modern influences in media by women as I have heard. I am going to show this to my media class at school because you have said everything better than I could. Thank you.
I would argue that there are faaaaar more women that hate men as opposed to the reverse. It's their fault they don't go support the girlboss movies and they fail. Just because we point and laugh doesn't mean it's our fault it failed. By saying that, they are implying that millions upon millions of women out there were told by men to not see the little black mermaid and they did what they were told?????? Ya, just no