Feel curious on few thoughts towards old APAC North: 1. 12:23 Japan is starting import internatiional coaches like Brucezz from Lst; liddel from kinotrope and even Harper from E36. With all those team have different nationalities coaches both regional dominant team still overcome it and prove as the better team in Japan. Japan regional strength depth still show they have better talents on it than Korea. The problem is maybe people lack of trust on local talents than international talent. 2. 14:25 Absolutely not a wasted years for Fabian(and Pengu) as they already talked about it lot of time that they have 2 years to build their Korean team and the 1st year is just a experiment period that to TRY to qualify majors or make top 2 in Korea. Their stage 1 performance is just a beyond expectation from Fabian's plan I think this is a right time for them to take a step back on what shall they do in future. The second year will be the main focus imo
Great discussion here, very interesting to hear about the OCE grand final and what happened behind the scenes. Chiefs definitely looked like the better team in those last two maps so glad they were not given the forfeit. On SI points, the cutoff will almost assuredly be lower than 350 as regional leagues give less points than they did last year. I'd guess that the cutoff may actually be right at or slightly below 300 points, which would be good news for Bleed/PSG Talon/GG. Realistically, there are 12 teams that can pass 300 points: CAG, SSG, FearX, Elevate, Dplus, Cruelty, E1, W7M, ITB/G2, Falcons, Soniqs, and Virtus Pro. Most other teams would require a top 3-4 or higher finish which is unlikely. Of those 12 teams, six did not make the Manchester Major, so Elevate, Dplus, Soniqs, Virtus Pro, W7M, and Falcons require making Phase 3 in Montreal to pass that number. W7M and Soniqs are teams that could likely do that, all the other teams are either not strong enough or are too inconsistent to reliably do that. E1, ITB/G2, FearX, and SSG all require going at least 2-3 in Swiss to surpass that number. SSG could likely achieve this, FearX would be massively overperforming to achieve this, and the other teams are yet to even qualify to the Major as of now. Cruelty can tie that number if they make Phase 2, which is unlikely given their international performance this year. CAG can surpass that number if match their performance from Manchester. I've watched this team enough to never say they are locked to do anything, but with a favorable bracket in Phase 1, its not out of the realm of possibility to achieve that. In this instance there are four teams that seem to have reasonable odds of overtaking Bleed/PSG/GG, in which case 300 points will be the cutoff for making SI. I don't quite know how the tiebreaker between them works and who is first out if more teams surpass that, but it would seem to me that those teams are relatively safe for SI.
Love the insight into what happened in the OCE grand final, the fact that chiefs had to physically pack up their equipment and move mid final is insane, But the result 100% deserved though. All the new teams going to the major will by far make it the hardest to predict for the minor regions.
thx for the insight into the 10 min pause, especially for the sake of a broadcast. i also did not know abt the rule book abt no predetermined length for timeouts. also ya i agree w like mental being an excuse being a lame one at that. HOWEVER i still think that there is a massive level of inconsistency across regions if we can believe what people are saying. 1st, hasib had a sub ready, but were not allowed to sub them in. days later E.36 in japan are allowed to sub in their assistant coach and end up making an overtime comeback, denying vite a point (and playoff potential). these are both playday matches with exact same situations, but different results which is devastating for hasib and vite. then in oce, outlast almost had to forfeit on the last playday due to internet issues. admins gave them 10 mins, and they won on mobile data. ok cool for the sake of a more important grand final, i get it sorta. according to GG, they also checked abt the tech pause before the match and were also told 10 mins. so the admins on the same day reassured that 10 min tech pause is the standard. however chiefs got and hour tech pause. now obv who knows if some of these claims are false, but at the end of the day i think there are some very real competitive integrity concerns across regions solely because there seems to be no hard rule on tech pauses as we see from both group stage and grand final day. obv chiefs deserved the win w how things were shaking up, but i don’t think you can deny that there is a serious larger issue at hand
@@DanielSmith-ly7bt i didn’t know that! i do wonder tho, bc i thought the sub was spidey, who then subbed for one of their later matches in the stage? unless it wasn’t spidey during the tech issues
The rehost drama is definitely more surrounding all of the M80 games. Even casters lowkey called them out against ssg.
Feel curious on few thoughts towards old APAC North:
1. 12:23 Japan is starting import internatiional coaches like Brucezz from Lst; liddel from kinotrope and even Harper from E36. With all those team have different nationalities coaches both regional dominant team still overcome it and prove as the better team in Japan. Japan regional strength depth still show they have better talents on it than Korea. The problem is maybe people lack of trust on local talents than international talent.
2. 14:25 Absolutely not a wasted years for Fabian(and Pengu) as they already talked about it lot of time that they have 2 years to build their Korean team and the 1st year is just a experiment period that to TRY to qualify majors or make top 2 in Korea. Their stage 1 performance is just a beyond expectation from Fabian's plan I think this is a right time for them to take a step back on what shall they do in future. The second year will be the main focus imo
You lads have been smashing it with the pods, really been enjoying how frequent the episodes are 🔥
Congrats on getting the Major job, Montreal major is looking like a real must-watch with all the unpredictabilities
Great discussion here, very interesting to hear about the OCE grand final and what happened behind the scenes. Chiefs definitely looked like the better team in those last two maps so glad they were not given the forfeit.
On SI points, the cutoff will almost assuredly be lower than 350 as regional leagues give less points than they did last year. I'd guess that the cutoff may actually be right at or slightly below 300 points, which would be good news for Bleed/PSG Talon/GG. Realistically, there are 12 teams that can pass 300 points: CAG, SSG, FearX, Elevate, Dplus, Cruelty, E1, W7M, ITB/G2, Falcons, Soniqs, and Virtus Pro. Most other teams would require a top 3-4 or higher finish which is unlikely.
Of those 12 teams, six did not make the Manchester Major, so Elevate, Dplus, Soniqs, Virtus Pro, W7M, and Falcons require making Phase 3 in Montreal to pass that number. W7M and Soniqs are teams that could likely do that, all the other teams are either not strong enough or are too inconsistent to reliably do that.
E1, ITB/G2, FearX, and SSG all require going at least 2-3 in Swiss to surpass that number. SSG could likely achieve this, FearX would be massively overperforming to achieve this, and the other teams are yet to even qualify to the Major as of now.
Cruelty can tie that number if they make Phase 2, which is unlikely given their international performance this year.
CAG can surpass that number if match their performance from Manchester. I've watched this team enough to never say they are locked to do anything, but with a favorable bracket in Phase 1, its not out of the realm of possibility to achieve that.
In this instance there are four teams that seem to have reasonable odds of overtaking Bleed/PSG/GG, in which case 300 points will be the cutoff for making SI. I don't quite know how the tiebreaker between them works and who is first out if more teams surpass that, but it would seem to me that those teams are relatively safe for SI.
Love the insight into what happened in the OCE grand final, the fact that chiefs had to physically pack up their equipment and move mid final is insane,
But the result 100% deserved though.
All the new teams going to the major will by far make it the hardest to predict for the minor regions.
thx for the insight into the 10 min pause, especially for the sake of a broadcast. i also did not know abt the rule book abt no predetermined length for timeouts. also ya i agree w like mental being an excuse being a lame one at that. HOWEVER i still think that there is a massive level of inconsistency across regions if we can believe what people are saying. 1st, hasib had a sub ready, but were not allowed to sub them in. days later E.36 in japan are allowed to sub in their assistant coach and end up making an overtime comeback, denying vite a point (and playoff potential). these are both playday matches with exact same situations, but different results which is devastating for hasib and vite. then in oce, outlast almost had to forfeit on the last playday due to internet issues. admins gave them 10 mins, and they won on mobile data. ok cool for the sake of a more important grand final, i get it sorta. according to GG, they also checked abt the tech pause before the match and were also told 10 mins. so the admins on the same day reassured that 10 min tech pause is the standard. however chiefs got and hour tech pause. now obv who knows if some of these claims are false, but at the end of the day i think there are some very real competitive integrity concerns across regions solely because there seems to be no hard rule on tech pauses as we see from both group stage and grand final day. obv chiefs deserved the win w how things were shaking up, but i don’t think you can deny that there is a serious larger issue at hand
With the Hasib Situation i heard/read somewhere the sub they had ready wasn't registered to play
@@DanielSmith-ly7bt i didn’t know that! i do wonder tho, bc i thought the sub was spidey, who then subbed for one of their later matches in the stage? unless it wasn’t spidey during the tech issues
This is great. Very good discussion. Go Chiefs.... 😊
Isn't there rules on how many players on a team have to be from their region?
I think you guys are reading into the rehosts to much. Dz vrs sq was still one of if not the best bo3 of all time
Definitely was speaking on rehosts more broadly across the board rather than just that particular game.
what a great vid thank y’all for keeping us updated on stuff behind the scenes 🫶🏼