I wonder why the ATF is stepping up enforcement on pistol brace equipped firearms.
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- In this video I show a solid reason someone may have written in to the ATF asking for a guidance document on what factors are used to determine if a pistol brace equipped firearm is an SBR or not.
Don't let Gun advocacy group and brace company sponsored RUclipsrs stand in place of your own due diligence. Always verify the claims they make.
They will tell you they tried to reclassify them. FALSE
They will tell you that they tried to ban them. FALSE
They will tell you that they wanted to force everyone to register. FALSE
They will tell you they were trying to make new regulations or laws. FALSE
They will tell you every angle that could possibly end with you feeling the need to either go out and buy a brace, or donate to their Gun Group like GoA etc.
They might even promote their own products in their call to action videos. Fear Sells.
Reading the documents without their power of suggestion it says
"Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons With “Stabilizing Braces”; Withdrawal of Guidance"
A Guidance which is defined as "advice or information aimed at resolving a problem or difficulty, especially as given by someone in authority"
They are simply giving out clarity on how they classify pistol brace equipped firearms. This is nothing new. They have been using these factors to determine if manufacturers can market things as "ATF Approved" or not for a long time now. They are telling the public the factors they use to determine if a brace equipped firearm fits constructive intent of an SBR.
Police: “We’re here to enforce the law.”
Also police: “We don’t know what the law is.”
What law, the only law enforce is the 2nd amendment and constitution right.
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true, these guys know what they are doing. if it was something they were harassing him over that was more obvious then that’s definitely an issue, but a guy walking in the park with something that looks identical to whatever is the law where he is is kind of bullshit and childish. unless he is trying to see if they take it from him illegally after making contact but doing this in the first place just to try and make a scene knowing how complicated this specific set up is shows what type of guy he is. not even the top government decision makers know wtf their doing and what law changes each day so how can you expect these guys who have way better shit to do and actually deal with real armed criminals that probably started out as a call just like this to know what the new rule is today. when they go home at night they don’t just beat their dick to gun laws EVERY night just so they can answer each one of your audits perfectly. they know generally what is and isn’t legal, when it gets down to specifics you should be auditing the ATF. but we both know you’ll have your ass handed to you by fine print laws that even you don’t know. so you stick to wasting everyone’s time for content like this. fucking nerd.
Also: ran toward report of a man in a park full of kids with a rifle thinking they were going to get into a shootout with a maniac. Police handled it well. Once he was assessed as a non-threat and an idiot auditor, they have time to confirm this guy is legally circumventing the law which prohibits nearly exactly what he was doing; but loopholes it by having a piece of Velcro in the stock and a certain barrel length.
@@SixaughtSix holy fuck you are not bright at all😂
The ATF shouldn’t even exist.
The ATF could serve a good purpose. The problem is Democrats use it to restrict our rights through erroneous rule making. The problem is that the ATF, and other agencies, are allowed to basically make laws through "rulemaking." For any agency (supposed experts who are really just unelected and ideological administrators!) - For their rule to have the effect of law, the given set of rules should be sent back to the legislature for approval. In that way, politicians are accountable for all laws as intended rather than using an agency to circumvent the constitution. And there wouldn't be so much confusion while awaiting cases to work all the way to the Supreme Court. Very few rules would ever be granted the effect of law.
@@user-de6sv3pk1vyou lost me when you said “democrats”. Are we so far behind that we think the “republicans” represent our best interests? These people don’t care about our rights, it’s about control and money. Can you not see the deceitfulness behind all these “republicans” acting like they are against the “democrats” yet still restricting and voting against our rights?
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a grocery store, not a government agency.
They only exist if you think they do
I think if the founding fathers would've realized the 2nd amendment would've breed simpletons like yall they wouldn't have added it.
Them not clearing the weapon a single time shows you everything you need to know.
just unbelievable
Didn't even remove the magazine 😂
Facts. Non military cops
@2:13 he grabs the weapon and immediately flags his partner with it... you can see his partner try to step closer to get out of line of fire!
First thing I noticed.
"What is your reason for exercising your rights?" -every tyrant ever.
Imagine our founding fathers seeing this. Cops tell a civilian he can't carry a certain firearm while they are carrying that certain firearm.
RIGHT! A civilian should have every right held by the government (excluding a war department that is oathed not to operate within US boarders).
what low IQ take is this....... whoever made this post is either a bot or a legit fucking retard who thinks saying the word tyrant and not wearing mask = patriotism..
this dude literally walked around the park with. a. fucking. RIFLE! "pistol" brace or not- that is a bad idea.. he is lucky they were so nice and didn't beat him half to death....
stuff like this is why I am slowly growing to hate the "gun community"/"2a community", it's basically just a bunch of spregs and boomers who think joining the NRA and using the ATF meme endlessly means you are supporting and fighting for 2a rights..
Guns will never be banned.. you don't need to get in a facebook group to fight for that right!
People in the a2 community who think like this are like people who think say the N-word and then say "Freedom of speech!"
You just look like a fucking idiot and make the rest of us look bad..
Please stay on facebook and quit deluding the gene pool.
get fixed.
This is exactly what I tell Liberals who are anti-gun - you want ONLY the cops to carry AR-15s?! Are you kidding?! They already run around with impunity.
Tbh quite a few would have been fine with it, since those were the ones who wanted George Washington to have more power and were fine with using the army to enforce the whiskey tax. Those founding fathers were also not particularly fond of the bill of rights either though
@@greenbrickbox3392 Clearly you don't understand WHY they were not fond of the bill of rights.
Be sure to remind the officers that "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse."
Unless your a citizen
It is for them, it’s called qualified immunity
If your In a park and a guy is walking around with a gun yeah I get it why they stormed his ass. Yes it's his right which shouldn't be infringed but also doesn't seem smart to do in general
@@joefrisco8025 we might be thinking of different types of parks
@@joefrisco8025what don’t seem smart to one could be perfectly reasonable to someone else.
It’s a right and absolutely shouldn’t be infringed upon, if they were concerned they could keep an eye on him and hang back, you know, police work
Don’t you love when the law enforcement experts have to Google the law on their phones.
Yeah it's a shame that they have to look up something they should know. But I'm completely for them doing a google search to tell them they're wrong. It's better than them assuming and taking him into custody. Playing devil's advocate, some of the best doctors are constantly google searching to find answers. There's just so much info out there.
Just shows that the laws are getting so ridiculous and so many are being added and refined so often that they can't even keep up with all that shit anymore ...
Attorneys with college degrees often have to review the law because there are so many, no one individual can truly remember them all. Have the expectation that cops are geniuses while giving them the respect of being stupid. You’re the one who has no logic.
You don't know what you're talking about. They weren't looking up the law. They were looking up the gun to verify that it was indeed classified as a pistol. No matter how well the officers know the law it would be asinine to expect them to know the details of every one of the tens of thousands of different guns out there. The officers got a call about someone carrying a rifle. They had no choice but to respond and check it out. It's interesting to note that the end of this "incident" was not shared. Probably because after determining the guy was within his rights to be carrying the firearm the officers handed the gun back to him and walked away.
@@pinballrick6031 how often does she hit you?
As a police officer i have to say thier knowledge of the difference between a pistol and a rifle is an embarrassment.
As an officer you should understand that in REALITY that is really NOT a pistol but the gun laws in this country are so messed up that we get to call that a pistol. I have plenty of guns and walking around a public park with a "rifle" where children play and families try to relax is definitely just acting like an asshole, especially with all the issues with guns we see in TV these days. So, I'll appreciate you as an officer try to preach more about not practicing this kind of behavior even if is still LEGAL to do it. Lets be civilize for once like a normal fking country.
That, by legal definition is a pistol. If it's legal to carry and the area he is in is not restricted then they should know the laws and not harassed. They, like me, had constitutional law and if they don't know then they shouldn't be policing until they go back and learn more about people's constitutional rights. The 2nd amendment is not a suggestion. Those officers need retraining.
@@kenthomas3389 yeah you are for sure not a police officer or just a brain dead one that can’t understand common sense.
Apparently, the city or state decided to outlaw rifles in that area, but not outlaw handguns. Probably so individuals, particularly women can protect themselves. But anyone may need protection. Would you feel better if the guy had a 17 round handgun under his jacket or even on his hip? @@eduardorubio3031
@@kenthomas3389they flagged that poor man down 😂😂😂
I like how nobody cleared the weapon.
How do you know they didn't first thing?
One thing you can say about all cops is all cops are bad. Good people don’t last in “law” enFORCEment.
@@portzblitz Because they simply didn't! Watch the video.
But to clarify, since you don't seem to know, clearing a firearm means 1) dropping the mag from te well, 2) racking the slide (or bolt in this case) to release any rounds in the chamber and 3) placing the safety on (if applicable).
@@portzblitz because we actually watched the video. Try it
Nobody should have touched the weapon. They had no right to.
They're killng 2A with a thousand cuts.
That's exactly what they're doing.
If it's unconstitutional, disobey it. That's how the second amendment lives on from generation to generation.
I would die to protect our 2nd amendment, I just don't know where to start.
@@macabremofo945 anti-2A politicians, judges, lawyers of course, the _tyrants and the tyrants enforcers_
@macabremofo945 start stockpiling ammo and talk to any neighbors that agree. The 2nd amendment also protects the right to form a militia for the purpose of maintaining a free state. Just don't be stupid if you go that route
That cop wants to work for the AFT so bad " do you have a tax stamp?"
Yeah, that threw me.
That was the only thing he knew about guns 😂
If a police officer is ever holding our weapons. Thats an issue.
If if they can’t legally take your gun permanently they will still do it long enough to check it out and leave you defenseless again tyranny just so they can show you who’s boss and who’s in charge. It’s all about showing how much Power the government has they want to show dominance like “hey yeah look at me I just took your self defense tool and there’s nothing you can do about it until I decide to give it back to you After we are done with it those 5 guys feel tough because 1 man surrendered him weapon Willingly without even being asked or forced to 5 other guys with weapons them 5 standing there with their gun holding His gun with him standing there with nothing them doing this on their time THATS what they want That makes them feel real good and tough that’s what it’s all about
'ur not kidding
Give them hot lead, not your rifle or pistol...
Amen
Exactly! Swapsies for a few....sure. My life is no less than yours! PERIOD!!!
I laughed out loud when they whipped out their iPhones to google search pistol braces. 😂
Pink iPhone!
Remember, they only have to have a GED or high-school diploma.
The fact that the guy asked if he had a tax stamp…mind boggling how ignorant they are to the federal gun laws. That’s you’re damn job! A lot of people (sometimes including myself) think these audit stunts are more harm than good but this one within the first 2 minutes shows you how ignorant they were to our rights under federal law.
Lmao tax stamp. Another made up rule…
Only harm it causes is us the people paying for the lawsuits and cops walking free and clear with violating people's rights
@@cang9313 or it’s just plain old tyranny no extra toppings gotta be put on this…. It’s tyranny
Yeah, yer not good with audits when they hurt YOUR FEELINGS and what YOU THINK SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED....Typical 2 faced republican....
I almost died laughing when he asked about the tax stamp, then I realized it wasn’t funny.
"Well I appreciate you causing a panic" killed me😭😭😭
That one cop was eyeballing it like “man I wish I had one too…” 😂
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I can't believe the officers were so clueless about AR pistols.
Being a LEO doesn't mean a thing. You have to be in the gun world
@@Anzomax2 if you carry a firearm, in this case some of the LEO have rifles, and you enforce laws, then you SHOULD DEFINITELY understand firearm laws.
@@bobbye7353 they are not ATF agents
@@Anzomax2 really?! No way!? Wow?! 🤡
That’s America’s legal system. Young dumb and impressionable.
Officer- do you have a Federal tax stamp?
😂😂 its a pistol soooo no...
Dont you only need those for suppresors and fully automatics and a few other things including explosives?
@@ANONisEVERYTHINGno, you need them for sbr's as well. But this was a pistol, as classified by the atf. Therefore, no tax stamp required.
Even if it wasn an sbr though, they dont have the authority to require that he show them the tax stamp. And if he showed them a tax stamp, they dont have the ability to check if its even real. They are just harrassing the guy.
@@NG-VQ37VHRthey can’t check the stamp but they can get an atf agent down there to look at it
You carry a gun for a living but none of them know wtf a brace is
The fact that the first officer has his rifle at the low ready, eyeing you up and kind of pointing it at you would definitely feel like threat more then anything.
Gotta love all the insults the cops throw at the law abiding citizen for carrying a pistol.... while carrying pistols 🤦🏻♂️
It looked like the cops had SBR's. Because as we all know, laws don't apply to cops
Zero self awareness. Exactly what we need from those "enforcing the law". Said no one ever
dirty pigs
It is their job as police officers to carry a pistol. A random dude walking around with a PCC in a residential area will always look sketch. It’s just something you don’t do. So what if it’s legal. It’s out of the ordinary and looks really really bad. All these people testing cops and exercising their 2nd amendment are plain idiot that need to get jobs.
@Mental Gymnast let’s be real, those cops probably haven’t had an idiot walking around open carrying what looks to be a rifle from afar in like two years. I don’t blame them for stopping him. BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS IS OUTBOF THE ORDINARY. Only idiots flex their rights like this.
Imagine being stopped by the law in any other time in history for carrying a firearm. I used to have rifles in the gun rack of my trucks back while parked at my high school. The founders are rolling over in their graves for what this country has become. The more they stigmatize and ban guns, the more you need to be carrying one at all times!
Imagine not being able to open carry a rifle and having to have a permit to carry a pistol
He’s looking it up on his rose gold iPhone 😂
That color is 🔥🔥🔥
Ok?
Rose gold (on the iPhone 12 at least) is a harder more scratch resistant coating
🤣😂
Hahaha, I noticed that too. I actually think my wife has the same exact one, haha.
Their demeanor, and every other cop I ever see, is always so, us vs. them.
that's how they're trained, warrior mentality, against civilians
@@AllanPowell
Cops are civilians. They don’t thinks so nor do they desire to be but nonetheless, they are.
Tough to watch...man
@Christian Constitutionalist
I said that to a local cop when his wheels began to come off of his argument. He turned the color of a beet. I thought he was going to stroke out. 🤞🏻
@@AllanPowell Wrong. every officer I know is a strong 2A supporter, and believes the gun laws especially here in MA are nothing short of egregious. They are not trained to have any kind of negative mentality toward civilians. This case represents to me a group of uninformed officers, nothing more. Not all cops are gun nuts, you can't blame them for not knowing what an AR pistol is, but they did handle the situation poorly. That being said, stating that they're trained a certain way to be against civilians is ignorant, and objectively inaccurate.
imagine needing a "permit" to literally buy back your rights? Wild
Im way more scared of five police officers than one guy walking quietly through the park.
I see a guy walking through a public park carrying that, I am gonna assume they are an active shooter threat and shoot them before they can get a chance. I'm all for gun rights but idiots that go out attention seeking like this cause mass panic for people walking in the park. Normal people in this day and age are gonna believe the individual is there to cause harm.
@@bstreet2391 you can't shoot until you confirm a threat. That would make you a murderer and the idiot in that situation.
@@bstreet2391dumb statement, if the guys walking through the park and you hear zero gun fire, you’re saying you’d shoot him just because he’s holding a gun? And you’re assuming he’s the crazy person?
@@bstreet2391you’re a complete fool and I wish I could call you more than that on this comment section tough guy
@@bstreet2391He wasn’t carrying it, that’s an important distinction. He had it slung across his back, I probably would at least draw on someone with any gun IN THEIR HANDS, but holstered or slung I’ll probably just start talking with them about their gun.
It's a shame we have so-called law enforcement who don't respect people's 2nd amendment rights and don't know what an AR pistol is.
Is the blue line desecration of the flag an irony thing?
as you have a terrorist flag as your profile pic. shut up lol
You shouldn’t be walking around residential parks with a “pistol”. You backwoods idiots might get away with that, but here in the suburbs that is extremely out of the ordinary. I don’t blame these cops one bit for responding to the call. The guy that made video is an absolute idiot that needs to get a job and stop testing law enforcement. The only people that hate law enforcement are the ones breaking the laws, or this idiot walking around with PCC.
It's a shame that morons like this are what gun control advocates use as an example of "people who believe in 2nd amendment rights" to show to the average voter when they're pushing dumb gun control legislation. But this kinda thing also makes me understand why they vote for them, I sure as hell don't want this lunatic strolling my neighborhood with his "pistol" to see "who's gonna challenge his rights"
@@AllanPowell something never set right with me about that altered flag. Thank you for giving me a reason to question it further. It is completely wrong and this is how far the majority have slid. Things are being done so much so that it's almost a constant bombardment against what is the law. Wether GOD, man or moral. Question it or quietly accept.
So 2 cops had to google gun laws?
That's the problem with the police is they don't know the law they are just there to be people down.
@@GTA-qv8pk
They know the law. They don’t care. They are mercenaries serving whichever political overlord pays them, (R) or (D).
There are thousands of laws. Cops didn't go to law school, they went to a 5 month academy with 2 weeks of that being a law block. Needless to say, they don't know all the laws.
@@POPJack1717
We’re not referring to obscure and antiquated laws. We’re referring to the basics. They know those laws and often enforce them falsely and punitively. Would you tolerate your plumber or roofer not knowing their job and make excuses for them as water infiltrates your home? Doubtful. These are people playing a game of life and death with human beings on a daily basis. Be it financially or with bullets, people’s lives are at stake and people like you let them off with an excuse. Wait until it happened to you.
@@tinfoilsombrero1439 like I said, they don't know all of the laws hence why they had to look up what an AR pistol was. My point still stands, they don't know all of the laws and do time to time act while being completely uninformed on said laws. Which is why you have people like the guy in the video who do what they do to 'educate' the police. Hell, not even attorneys know all of the laws and you expect the police to with 2 weeks of law block from the academy??? You can't expect the police to be attorneys and also be apart of the Defund the Police movement. Takes money to keep officers trained and updated on the ever changing laws, procedures, etc. Can't have it both ways.
LOL! You know you have a issues when the cop pulls out pink IPhone to google what an AR pistol is.
2:12
Look at the way Mr. Where's-Your-Tax-Stamp points the barrel of the uncleared pistol at his buddy, LMAOOOO bro should be FIRED.
"do you have a federal tax stamp?" "Did you swear an oath to uphold the constitution?"
As a Missourian in 2021, it makes me happy to know that this action would have resulted in a $50k fine per officer, under our now-in-effect Second Amendment Protection Act. Local and state police can no longer enforce federal firearms law, only state law, of which we have very little. If the feds want to enforce their regulations, they're free to do so, they just can't force the locals to pay for it any more.
based mizzou
Is Tennessee similar with its law? We pretty based here but I’m unsure about the 2nd amendment preservation act?
@@juanvaldez5422 does that mean in Tennessee or Missouri there is no NFA or Hughes amendment? Can you guys make SBR all day?
From Missourian to Missourian 🙏 👏 🙌
We will not bend. Joe can come make a national example of HIMSELF
Does NC have that?
Those pigs should get fried
To be fair, the ATF puts out stupid regulations and classifications all the time. Even as a gun owner it's hard to keep up with their bullcrap. In all practicality, that's a rifle. It's just the ATF's stupidity that labels it a "pistol."
Even so, by the videoer's own admission he was just doing it to "educate" the police by causing public panic. I'm all for the second amendment but using it to intentionally cause a scene only makes people hate guns more. You'll never change the stigma about guns by using them to incite panic. Be a responsible gun owner.
As far as the cops go, if someone is reportedly walking around with a gun around kids, they need to be cautious and make sure everything is okay. I'd prefer cops like these being vigilant and ensuring everything is legal rather than the uvalde cops. Yes, they should study up on gun laws, but they're not ATF officers, so they're not going to know every gun law on the spot because they usually don't deal with classifying guns or taking them unless they're involved in a crime. I know many people want reasons to hate cops but take a moment to put yourself in their shoes. If you got a call that someone was in the park with your child carrying a gun and walking around suspiciously, would you not care? Would you say "well I'm sure he's just exercising his second amendment rights" or would you make sure everything is safe and this person isn't a threat first then say it's their right? Too often we like to place blame on cops who are just people with a job that is intense and dangerous, yet we act like they're the ones that made the laws they're sworn to uphold. In this case they looked up the laws and everything was fine. They didn't shoot the guy or beat him or do anything out of line.
And lastly, the ATF is an unconstitutional organization that's against the second amendment and they should be dissolved. Their regulations and classifications are made by people who have no firearm knowledge or experience whatsoever.
Very well said, this is the type of un-biased approach more people should adapt before getting all "Merika" in the comments section.
he already stated what he was doing, cop looks perplexed "like holy shit a civilian actually practicing 2nd amendment right
That's actually really disturbing that police officers don't know the law. I don't expect them to be able to quote penal codes but they should know whether someone is breaking the law or not without having to make contact. Just like watching someone drive by that has legal tags and is doing the speed limit.
Most cops just hate for civilians to have guns for some reason... Hell, even knives. I've had cops on campus follow me around because I had a folding knife on my pocket. Lol.
Local LEO don't study federal laws.
The most disturbing part wasn’t that he was open carrying a AR around a bunch of kids and ppl in a park??? Regardless of his intent that is irrational especially considering the amount of mass shooting taking place on the daily in this country.
They are not lawyers so it’s to be expected they have limited knowledge. I hear there are opening go become one show them how it’s done.
@@thaistomp Its not about the gun. Its about the person knowingly breaking the law to have said gun.
To be fair, braces look a lot like stocks, and are practically used as stocks by many people. What we really need is to remove SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs from the NFA.
Or abolish the NFA.
true, these guys know what they are doing. if it was something they were harassing him over that was more obvious then that’s definitely an issue, but a guy walking in the park with something that looks identical to whatever is the law where he is is kind of bullshit and childish. unless he is trying to see if they take it from him illegally after making contact but doing this in the first place just to try and make a scene knowing how complicated this specific set up is shows what type of guy he is. not even the top government decision makers know wtf their doing and what law changes each day so how can you expect these guys who have way better shit to do and actually deal with real armed criminals that probably started out as a call just like this to know what the new rule is today. when they go home at night they don’t just beat their dick to gun laws EVERY night just so they can answer each one of your audits perfectly. they know generally what is and isn’t legal, when it gets down to specifics you should be auditing the ATF. but we both know you’ll have your ass handed to you by fine print laws that even you don’t know. so you stick to wasting everyone’s time for content like this. fucking nerd.
Yeah, with all the back and forth legal stuff lately, it's not surprising that they weren't exactly sure what the current legal status is lol
Abolish the NFA entirely for being unconstitutional
I don’t see anything wrong with short barreled weapons honestly, as long as it’s tax stamped, and not in the hands of an idiot. Distance is calibrated by rifling, and mobility is calibrated by stock or brace. I don’t even know why I’m typing this anymore i forgot the atf banned braces- I forgot where I was going with this honestly. This comments over a year old, my apologies
What these guys don't get... This is how you get stupid laws put in place. Walking around a park slung with an AR is going to cause problems. This is equivalent walking across a cross walk with no regard for vehicles because "you have the right of way", that right of way isn't going to help you when you look like a pancake.
“I don’t carry my weapons openly in public………there’s no need.”-ib
There might be someday.
@@jonathanhouser8194 Yeah if you live in the middle east. You afraid of the moms at Kroger? People need to stop romanticizing this idea of wild west, captain save a John Wick. If you're that scared just stay home. Get all your stuff delivered to your house. Open carry makes people uncomfortable and if people are oblivious to that or don't care they are just tools. It perpetuates fear and people openly doing this is why the laws keep getting more and more strict. Keep your guns to yourself and quit purposely working people up. This dude is in a nice area acting like he lives in Fallujah.
Love how the second cop points it directly at his partner.
THANK YOU!!! That's exactly what my entire comment was about for the most part. Mag inserted and all. WTF Chuck.. 🤦🏾♂️
This is embarrassing for this department. As far back as 2010, all of my friends who were cops not only had AR pistols themselves, but were familiar with the actual laws in regards to firearms and what constituted what. These guys are acting like they're hearing this stuff for the first time in their life.
They look like kids
Most officers are not familiar with the laws they enforce. They all seem to have "masters degrees" from online universities yet they cannot understand the simplest of concepts. To be fair, a small number of officers are quite sharp but the vast majority are a dissapointment. Why? Study the recruitment process, the kinds of personalities that gravitate toward the profession, and very important, how people are promoted within the profession.
@@ekimnamdets6946ecause they hire kids right out of high school man. It’s all about who you know. These kids don’t have real life experience, yet they’re supposed to make adult decisions in real world scenarios. I’m a paramedic, and I can’t tell you how many times we’ve called law enforcement for them to show up and just walk around with their hands in their vest and not take charge on scenes. I literally chuckle when I see some of them show up and how young and innocent they look.
Ive had to take charge on a lot of calls to de escalate tensions with people, even though law enforcement was there for that reason, but they stand around with their thumbs up their ass just looking clueless. It’s the reason I carry on my job, even though I’m not supposed to because little 20 year old Joey right out of high school doesn’t know how to be a man and do his job when Ems or fire request him.
Cops are never your friend....
These guys aren’t police officers. They’re there for the paycheck and power trip only.
I don't get it. Even if it had a stock on it, instead of a brace, they STILL don't have the authority to take it from him without an ATF agent on scene...
Cops don’t have to be accountable anymore. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves
They didn't take it. They were examining it. Not everything has to be a fight. They showed respect and restraint and just because the law makers give them shit training, doesn't make it their fault.
@@no_handle_required They did illegally disarm this guy. He broke no laws, and was minding his own business. He didn't fight. They treated him disrespectfully with the ignorance of law, their attitude and snide remarks. Bringing up "the children" and tax stamp. And they are the enforcers of the law, they need to get at least as much training as a non leo citizen, on their own if need be. As one other poster said, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
The first cops seems to be worried about feelings not laws
@2:14 THE WORST PART OF THE VID: when multiple police pull out there cell phones to look up info, likely on google or wikipedia, because they know nothing about what's in front of them... when you see 6 LAW ENFORCEMENT officers that don't know more than a random citizen, it shows you why law enforcement is just a big of a problem for citizens as criminals are for citizens
omg that was too funny. oh geez better get on google and figure this out.
It'd been faster if they called local police
Very well said.
@@PeteRoe Its more terrifying and disturbing that they did that than funny. AR pistols have been around for a long time and people have been building them for awhile. The fact that several LEOs don't know what it is scares me. They all carry an AR in their car and practice with them.. they should know who CMMG is as well. Unfortunately we have to use this "brace" and classify it as a pistol because of stupid laws that should have never been fabricated in the first place. If law abiding citizens lost their right to own guns like this it would open the door up to many bad things. Just remember that criminal that now knows you have no protection will have a full automatic m4...
Cops do that a LOT when trying to come up with charges. The job has an IQ cap that hovers around average. Any drift from that goes to below-average. Someone who deserves applause for grasping basic algebra is then a few weeks of training in how to apply the law in the real world with real people.
I hate when cops try and lecture. It's especially obnoxious when they are lecturing people on things like, "optics" when there is no law broken.
Legally is a pistol but looks like a rifle, you know that and even like that you walk in a park where children are. You are absolutely out of your mind. YOU DONT REPRESENT LEGAL GUN OWNERS WITH COMMON SENSE.
It is concerning that they pass a police academy only to have to Google certain statutes or updates on firearm laws. If it was my department, I would inform my officers as soon as this law came into effect to avoid them having to Google these things.
If any of these cops were “gun guys” they would know the weapon classification by its specs.
If I was a cop on duty during this incident I would’ve cleared the weapon and ran the serial number in the database. Make sure it’s not stolen and manufactured as a pistol lower receiver. If it’s not manufactured as a pistol than it’s illegal. There’s a difference between a lower manufactured as a rifle and pistol. A pistol lower can be turned into a sbr legally, but a rifle lower cannot be made into a pistol. A rifle lower can only be turned into an sbr.
thats where you are wrong, there is a reason AR lowers nowadays are marked "multi cal", they are just lowers, it is up to the builder/owner to follow unconstitutional regs
Oh they know, it’s just they don’t want people to have what they can have.
@@Hadouken5150 should of know when he said cmmg and 9mm. you just gotta know I guess
@@maxtheroofer8004 True, but… caliber doesn’t matter when it’s manufactured. You could buy a Colt 6920 cambered in 5.56 and slap a 300 blackout barrel on it and it wouldn’t change the classification. It’s still a rifle. Even though that pistol in the video is cambered in 9mm you’d still have to run the serial number to make sure it is in fact a pistol. It could be an illegal SBR with a brace. ALWAYS run serial numbers. Caliber doesn’t matter.
So let me get this straight, they are upset with effectively making a pistol longer? So legal pistol that's easily concealable is ok, but somehow becomes more dangerous by adding bulk? Yeah ok, keep pretending like any of this is for public safety. If it was then they already would have used statistics of crimes to ban them. Instead they issue "Guidelines" with no actual guidance, using subjective terms maybe & might. Nothing says public safety like not explaining how to comply.
it's the manufacturers lying to consumers about legality of their products that's the problem in their eyes. Pistols can be longer but shouldn't be shouldered like a rifle. They can't ban them because of the ADA so don't worry about that. If they caught you with a home build they'd more likely tell you to make it compliant or register it than charge you unless you were already getting charged with some sort of violent crime.
I don't entirely disagree, but the way they wrote the guidelines, it's subjective & up to chance as to if your complying over arbitrary thoughts. My main point was they vilified SBRs due to concealability, but concealable pistols are totally fine? Unless ofcourse you add a horseshoe pc of plastic to the rear? Also was noting they aren't plastering statistics because they don't support their argument. I dont think they should punish companies for skirting the line, its not illegal, many conversations were documented, & lets be honest the gov skirts the line 24/7. Best wishes & stay safe.
@@pmanameless8184 All of those are valid points. The NFA is unconstitutional as a whole but as long as mass compliance exists so do their regulations and power. They're really just cracking down on manufacturers from false advertising stuff as ATF approved and trying to keep them from selling pistol brace equipped firearms as approved that wouldn't be. For the individual gun owners that bought them in good faith they wouldn't be able to jump to prosecution they would just say "make it compliant, send pictures so we can close this and move on" if they didn't just flat out waive the tax if you chose to register and throw a real stock on it.
@@AllanPowell Agreed. I guess my problem is the trust part, the Kelland Wright case & also a few videos on YT of CA Leo's getting warrants to search homes of AW applicants are very concerning(plenty more). In CA they made citizens register legally owned weapons for new laws, & then tried to/did bust them for said weapon during review process they made them apply for. In my mind ATF does the same stuff, in the Wright case they tried enforcing very specific regulations that were never shared, even worse is it actually did abide by the unknown reg & they tried to measure diagonally against their own rules to make it stick. Its disgusting to me, & here it seems they have no justified reason to pursue this further, but they will. Compliancy is a killer. Thank you for having a civil conversation, way too much arguing these days. Have a good night.
Didn’t you know bullets out of a firearm all become “more deadlier” (scientific term) the more points of contact the weapon has with the body ?! That’s why AOW are regulated with “foregrips”..,Makes 9mm able to blow through 10 buildings and we won’t even talk about a short shotgun with a grip!! Heavens know !!!🥴😒🙄
Not one officer cleared that pistol wow they all need a gun safety class immediately!
i mean , yes the 2nd amendment . but why walk around the park with a pcc ? the amount of concerns will peak . it was the same with that black dude fully geared up in black with a mask and a glock on the front on his vest . and with the amount of active mass shooters in usa i mean come on guys . common sense is that hard to unlock ?
“Thank you for causing a panic!”.... No one was panicking accept the officer initially addressing this legally armed citizen. “Do you have a federal tax stamp?”... Well, The citizen should not have had to explain this to the officer... In essence, they will not be happy until we are all compliant servants not free citizens.
Soccer moms called in a man with a rifle. Officers don't know AR pistols because they're exempt from NFA
1984
The answer to that is" Are you a ATF agent, only an ATF agent can ask me if I have a tax stamp. You not being an ATF agent cannot touch this if I do have a tax stamp."
@@AllanPowell officers are not exempt from the NFA, Authorized departments can file a form with the ATF and be cleared for Machine guns and SBRs, and then issue them to the officer.
But personal weapons, weapons used not in an official capacity, and retired/former officers are all subject to the NFA.
It is important for officers to realize this as well, the majority are civilians when not on duty, all the more important to protect and defend the constitution and not your boss, colleague if they are opposed to it.
@@knottywoodoutdoors4932 Yet officers, in many times out of department requirements, carry these NFA exempt weapons when off duty, in their vehicles or wherever.... Almost making them personally exempt by proxy.
Absolutely hilarious that not even ONE of the LEO'S CLEARED the weapon!!! Did they not know how???
First thing I thought, and I bet they don't. The one cop is holding it like he's almost scared of it.
Federal Tax Stamp?! Why aren't these Officers educated on this subject. We have over 120 years of Law enforcement in our family includind City, State and High level Federal Officers. These Officers need to get up to standard on the Law, and their Supervisors need to schedule time for this essentially education
"You understand what it looks like?"
Who gives a flip flapping f*ck what it looks like! A rock can look like a grenade, but in the end it's still a rock.
"What's your reason for doing this?"
Who gives a flip flapping f*ck what the reason is! The very same reason he put on his shoes that morning, because it's his choice and it's not illegal. The cops should have checked his ID and permit and said have a nice day. A criminal doesnt openly carry their pistols because it draws attention. That would be idiotic. 😂😂
it still blows my mind that cops can walk up on you, barrel pointed at your face, torso, legs, or any part of your person, and you are not allowed to shoot back in self defense. yet, if a citizen were to walk up on an officer out of suspicion that the officer is commiting a crime or felony, and has his/her barrel pointed at the officer, the officer has the right to open fire in self defense.
it also blows my mind and pisses me off BEYOND belief that officers can so easily disarm a law abiding citizen. until that weapon is proven to be illegal, or that it is proved that the owner/carrier is not properly permitted to be carrying said weapon, law enforcement have virtually should have virtually zero right to disarm a citizen. In some cases, that weapon is a person's last line of defense against tyranny and by stripping him/her of his/her posessions, law enforcement is creating unfair grounds and asserting power they do not possess.
i consider this unlawlful search and siezure and i would be suing the shit out of this department
Unfortunately it's currently not stacked in our favor. Hopefully that tide will change.
Well the state has a monopoly on violence. More now than historically 😑
Several Constitutional Rights have been violated in this scenario. Edmond Cops need to be educated beginning with BASIC GUN LAWS.
@@paulmarley6384 Quick question: How are we to tell if the guy in a park out in public if the guy's weapon is an actual rifle or a "pistol" that has a brace on it. See, where I am from, IF you have your weapon out and it looks like a rifle and its not holstered... then there's a good chance the guy may rob me at gun point.. so I might not by as friendly as these cops were.
@@discojelly do you think a robber is just going to casually approach you with a weapon visible or surprise you and pull it out when they get close? Open carry isn't the best for self defense because it makes you a target of any criminal, but what do you really think is more concerning and possible to end in violence: a man with a slung weapon walking around a park with his hands off of it OR multiple officers approaching a person with their weapons pointed at him? I'd say the latter. They did nothing but make this situation worse like they do most situations.
Back the blue? Remember these will be the people that will do the government's bidding.
Not true
Which state is this so I can avoid it
Remember back in the old days where open carry was a norm?
@DanOfTheWild you mean like combat vets like Pat Mac, Warrior Poet, and Tu Lam just to name a few. Yeah those cowards? Those guys did more for this country and our rights than your fat ass could even dream of!
@DanOfTheWild Well it’s true, too many videos of open carriers getting taken out first or just having their gun taken away for not being aware of their surroundings, conceal carry is definitely a better option for getting the drop on someone.
Maybe in small town USA. It was never like that in the city or suburbs.
@@Hadouken5150 In the suburbs it was definitely normal
@@CASTRO45ACP definitely wasn't in the suburbs where I grew up in.
It's a DAMN SHAME that in this Country it takes longer to become a HAIR STYLIST than it does to become a cop.
Yep 12 months in my town to become a street rest officer and we have a fuck ton of morons with badges who barely can spell yet alone know laws.. we also have an awkward amount of police involved shootings of unarmed people..
The NFA is blatantly unconditional, how it hasn't been challenged is beyond the scope of my peanut 🥴
just a reminder that the only truly constitutional law enforcement agency of this republic is your local sheriff department. 🇺🇸
uninformed law enforcement is scary man
the executive branch of the government is what's negatively mind-blowing to me
And these FOOLS wonder why there is such a disconnect
and a move to defund them. All police officers should know
the constitution forward and backwards AND carry their own
insurance policy.
@Courage the conservative dog The do respect the second Amendment, but, they still are a bit weary of anyone walking around a park in public with an weapon on a sling. See, my "pistol" is in its holster. So, I don't attract the attention of cops or say someone who wants to clap me from 40 meters away.
This is part of the plan. Between the responding officers someone should have the knowledge about this particular weapon. Our military isn't to far behind these guys. 😮😮😮
Doesn't clear the firearm, then totally flags his fellow officer.
Cop holding it is like dam I want one of those
HAHA!! (Best comment)
Wow the first cop on sight pointed his gun at him with his finger on the trigger and terrifyingly he kept his finger on the trigger when he was holding the gun one handed.
These clowns are all Barney Fifes. Their uniforms look like Halloween costumes. Goes to prove the argument that many civilians train more and exhibit better firearm safety habits than LEOs.
@@fleatactical7390 sad but true
Idiots
Guys ares are so skinny 😂 How is he an officer!
@@weasel101 Obviously a rookie who hasn't hit the hollow carb (aka donuts) threshold yet.
Our society sucks. He’s not bothering anyone and they point guns at him.
I like how all the cops are still gripping their weapons whilst this man is disarmed.
2 years later, and you got your answer. Not that we the people needed one to begin with. It's all infringements.
The description of this video has aged marvelously given current events 😂
I understand we have rights I do, but I never understood people putting themselves in dangerous situations by open carrying especially with an AR pistol platform. A lot of people don’t understand firearms and will always express caution.
But look how many people in these comments are white.
As a cop, I’m baffled as how clueless these cops are!!! Smh.
"appreciate you causing a panic" i hate cops.
Yup
"My enemies are plenty, my equals are none."
I've had a LEO put his hand on his duty pistol and take 2 stepa back after I've said that to one. 🤣
If people took 2 seconds to educate themselves, panic gone.
So, are you expecting them to not follow up on a call of someone armed in public? Cause not everyone understands from 40 yards away the weapon he has on is legal or not. The cops are just doing their job to follow up and find out what the issue is. Instead of sounding like a angry leftst with angst.. maybe see it from their view.
Good on you brother, can’t believe how ignorant these “LEO professionals” are of the laws they’re enforcing
they are only hired if they score under a certain level in their aptitude tests. There was a court battle over this and the prospective officer was denied a job due to scoring too highly.
The courts upheld this and he was prevented from being a cop for being too smart.
this is the country we live in, it is by design. They don't want them thinking for themselves
Its unfortunate that law enforcement do not even know the laws they are enforcing
The chips don't even know about guns yet they're required to carry them. Mind boggling
Is mind blowing when law enforcement don't know the difference of a Rifle and a pistol. Cop "ahhh it look to me like a rifle".
You don’t know until you know
And don’t think ALL law enforcement doesn’t know. There are cops that just aren’t gun guys.
LEOs are people too. And when they sign up, no one is teaching them the rules... As LEOs they can own whatever the hell they want. Why would they bother learning about all the BS ATF has regular people jump in?
They wouldn’t be panicking if their wasn’t so many crack pot idiots going around shooting people for no reason
They know. They don’t care.
No the worse part is five cops and nobody cleared the freaking weapon. 🤦♂️
And the one holding muzzle flashed the other cops leg
R u watching the same video i am?
I’ve never had a cop clear my weapon.
So if he did have his tax stamp they would of left sooner???? SHUT THE FRONT DOOOORRRRR😅😅😅
“You can’t carry a pistol!”
Says the person carrying a rifle
Definitely more training is needed and shame on the police department for lack of knowledge/training!
It’s sad there are so many officers who are ignorant of such things. The ATF wants to flub that all up.
It never ceases to amaze me how many LEO's don't know gun laws that are new and are all over media, social and otherwise.
I understand that a firearm with a barrel less than 16" can be considered a pistol if it has a stabilizing brace rather than a regular shoulder stock. Is it true that if the barrel is 14", you could alternatively add a 2" muzzle device (that is permanently affixed) to achieve 16" and keep a regular shoulder stock and it would be a legal rifle?
it has to start it's life as a pistol, so when the serial number is requested before manufacturing it has to be a pistol classification. The legal rule is that a pistol can go to rifle, but never can a rifle go to pistol.
That was helpful. I did not know it had to start life as a pistol. Thanks. So, if I find or build a pistol with a 14" barrel, I can add a 2-2.5" muzzle device to get 16" and it would legally be a rifle at that point?@@AllanPowell
And I could then put a regular shoulder stock on it?
@@user-de6sv3pk1vif the barrel itself is under 16 inches the muzzle device making up the difference has to be pinned and welded, once that is done you can throw a stock on it and treat it as a rifle. Just don't have a stock on it with a barrel under 16 inches in total length
Of course Id prefer a QD compensator, but I may pin and weld a compensator onto a 14" barrel. I really don't want to either pay a $200 stamp fee or more importantly I don't want to register! I appreciate the info!@@AllanPowell
Not a fan of how either party conducted themselves.. the first officer made some pretty snide remarks and was very "us vs them". That said they're just doing there duty I mean it's weird for a citizen to patrol a park with a braced pistol. As a father of 3 kids and a total 2a supporter/gun fanatic I'd be quite cautious if I saw someone walking around with that pistol at a park... idk. Is what it is.
Well said. You come off as very well read. This guys heart is in the right place but his mind was on vacation.
Agreed, it’s a potential nightmare for everyone. I get the message but don’t shoot the messenger seems especially appropriate on this one.
2:13 cop grabs pistol and flags the other cops lower extremities will pulling his phone out looking up this new information he had just learned. 😂
Funny ain't it. Nope!!! It's just sad. Very very sad. People should know guns. It should be common knowledge
Not knowing the law as a law enforcement officer is wild.
The thing that I don’t understand is WHY do they care at ALL about the length of our firearms…. Feels unconstitutional
Law enforcement that has NO clue what is legal or what the law is. I'd be fired from my job if I was this incompetent.
I see flaws on both sides here. I definitely wouldn't go outside trying to provoke that kind of attention from LEO just because "I can"
Ron is confused about "who" will come and take them
@@frankk1512 frank is confused on the fact that, although this is legal, what was the video poster expecting?
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should ..
The ATF is cracking down due to all the idiots on social media bringing these Arm Braces to their attention
Nobody likes to be kicked in the face
So you shouldnt carry whatever you want to protect yourself? If youre a law abiding citizen it shouldn’t be an issue in a supposed free country. We need to drop the gun = fear mentality the media has brainwashed us with for the past few decades. The second amendment is clear. We have the right to bear arms. Not, we have the right to bear what makes other people comfortable as arms in regulated spaces when approved.
Provoking attention by exercising a right? You are a moron
Officers over here, not properly holding their rifles, when it is not slung over their shoulders, and we even have officers flagging each other
“It’s part of an education deal, such as you guys not knowing if it’s a pistol or a rifle” 😂
I get it but at the same time auditors annoy the shit outta me
This is one of those, just because I can do it doesn't mean it's a good plan to do it. I'll open carry all day long in the back country or in my own house but out in the public it's just way less headache to carry concealed. This is a solution looking for a problem, as near as I can tell.
Exactly. Thats what i say with all these amendment auditors. All they are doing is looking to stir up trouble on purpose. To catch cops not knowing things. Who cares! There is no scenario anyways where you need to carry this pistol in public. Conceal a regular sized small one instead.
Yea but big gov need to be checked
It's an American exercising his 2A right.
I think gun owners have an unwritten obligation to be responsible in their actions, and to show good judgement.
Showing up to a public park where kids play with an AR pistol, with the intent to elicit a response from concerned parents and law enforcement just to prove a legal point, demonstrates a clear lack of responsibility and common sense.
Frankly I wouldn’t trust this man with a firearm.
"Can we get more units we got a guy practicing his second amendment." 0:58
True…but as a LEO, you don’t know if the person behind the camera is a law abiding citizen or a kook who is just acting normal because there are cops around. Officers do have the right to ask you questions for the sake of public safety, just as much as you also have a right to not say a word in response. Simply verifying that everything is cool for the safety of others is part of their job, and as long as they don’t overstep into violation of people’s rights, I don’t see anything wrong here. These cops seemed a bit uneducated, but their overall response was pretty docile compared to similar situations that I’ve seen.
“I appreciate you causing a panic.” 😂😂😂😂 top notch
Let's not clear the firearm before flagging each other
To be fair given the amount of mass shootings over there they have every right to be a bit skeptical and worried. Why is he walking around with a rifle AKA pistol carbine with children all over the place you're asking for trouble.