When I first took delivery of my 5 doors CooperS, I found the suspension was a bit stiff changing from a regular Honda although it was great at taking hard corners. In some countries, Mini put Pirelli run flats and the shocks are not dynamic. I hate it when local dealership cut cost putting non dynamic shocks and this is in Sports mode shocks all the time. It just mean it is always at +10% stiffer. After sometime, I changed them to a softer Michelin Pilot Sport tires, it felt a lot more comfortable for daily driving. I am just wondering whether anybody out there who enjoyed driving in sports shocks as a permanent feature?
Around town is one more comfortable that the other? Meaning; suspension and interior as far as bumps, bad roads and the occasional longish trip? Or is the JCW really more of a race car in street clothing AKA...harsh? Thanks, love your videos.
Just get the Cooper S, add Pro exhaust, Pro suspension and JCW appearance package and you have the better car because of the shift speeds of the dct. The problem is that the Pro exhaust isn't available for 2020 models...
The MINIac The MINIac Did you get that verified by your dealer? Mine says that MINI officially isn't supporting the Pro exhaust on the 2020s... And if MINI doesn't support it, dealers ought to not install them anymore.
The MINIac It does fit and of course it works indeed. But this is exactly what I meant. MINI doesn't support it, so it therefore voids the warranty... Things unfortunately are changing..!
Brian Leister Sport mode is the short answer. Engine and exhaust have to be warm. Just downshift to around 3500 rpm and it should do it. If you downshift to 5000 rpm it should fire away.
@@TheMINIac I appreciate your comments! Well I already did the downpayment for the S that has been ordered to Oxford (no manuals around the country) the dealer called me this morning to tell me there is one JCW GP pack edition (not the +300hp one) and since I was planning to purchase the JWC exahust for the S, the JCW is even cheaper! Actually the manual will be more expensive! This is the link for the JCW GP edition: www.bmwblog.com/2020/06/10/mini-john-cooper-works-gp-pack/ Thanks for your time and patience! Saludos from Mexico!
Nice video. Too bad you didn't have a nice twisty road to compare these two on. I'm SO, SO glad that BMW brought back the manual trans for 2021!!! Fuck automatics!
I could just as easily ban anyone for making fun of me or people in my videos. But I choose to leave it here. Recorded audio isn’t the same as in real life so assume what you want about my voice. I really could care less.
why you are not explain importing thing! they are both same engine. you can buy cheap one and tune it! boom 300 HP! you guys dealing with dealer! why you not talking the true!
@@TheMINIac well, if we can be tune its best option in market. 27K starting price. golf gti is around 32K aslo more heavy. and subaru looks good but cvt, we cant tune cvt trans. hyundai Veloster nice but its not looks good. so i will check all other cars.
Great review boss, in 2 weeks im picking up a 2014 cooper s manual, i really wanted a jcw but just couldn't find any good ones for sale, i cant wait to pick it up🙂
I have a '16 F55s and I absolutely LOVE my mini. It was such a spur of the moment decision that I just couldn't pass it up. In the video, when you would kind of punch it a little and then giggle, that is SO me. Glad I'm not the only one that does that lol
Me and my wife last week looked at both these cars, the cooper s is the better car for families with more the 2 people, the JCW seats are not good for back sear passengers, power wise there is not much in it, we outed and bought a cooper clubman s sport, in the UK this comes with the JCW pack, we upgraded the wheels to 19in and upgraded the seats.
What would be the "aftermarket tune" that you would do on this standard S version that would give you some extra horses....without spending thousands? Thank you, I've learned so much from your videos.
The real difference between an s and jcw is basically a tune Just stage 2'd my 2015 countryman s with a jcw appearance package and its already up to jcw spec with less than a thousand bucks in parts (bigger intercooler and a downpipe) Edit: it sounds cooler too❤
It's still not a JCW--If someone plans on modifying their S, he/she should just buy a real JCW from the outset. Mods will actually lower your trade in value when you go to trade, yet dealers will pay the premium for a real JCW........
@Ryan-cv8sn that's only a problem for resale, and since I'm running mine til it dies (so in my dreams I can gr swap it) trade and resale are not much of a factor
I ordered a countryman S in Feb but had doubts then yesterday I tried the JCW and it just felt like perfect fit (old car was Honda Type R) it's coming in June. Nanuq white, black accents and roof and tan seats
Thanks for the upload I believe UK market does offer the lovely track spokes for the non JCW. They come with a subtly different 'bend' in the spokes as they dont need to clear the JCW brakes. they are great. Here in North America i suppose the 17inch cosmos spoke in black would be the closest... Im not a huge fan of the full JCW/chilli appearance package on an S ( It starts to devalue the JCW as it includes EVERYTHING down to the jcw door sill labels). Just checked the current MINI canada inventory. There is a limited edition Cooper S JCW edition for 2020.....
How/why is the FCW so much more powerful than the Cooper S and what are the different handling set ups / characteristics of each? I get that one is 'great' and the other one is a 'fun' and you love it 'cos life is too short, or something. Could you have done a little more comparative research on these cars? sry, just sayin'
What I miss in these comparisons are technical specifications, what are the differences in the engine, are there different pistons, are there different flywheels? As far as I know, you can buy a tuning package for Cooper S, full exhaust with software that turns it into JCW. So these cars are not that different since they can achieve the same power so easily. Of course, I'm leaving out the brakes, which in JCW are more adapted to sports.
The MINI JCW Team uses the B46 engine out of the Cooper S rather than the B48 since all of their JCW cars started life as Cooper S. As such, with very few differences, tuning is the primary difference.
@@TheMINIac , thanks. This sort of threw a wrench into my research. What i read is that the ones with “D” at the end are diesel models...or is that nomenclature only in Europe? So the b38 and b58 engines can have a jb4 installed as to not have the need to flash the ecu with custom map. What is out there for the b46? I am glad i read your response before tomorrow.
@@TheMINIac thanks again. I am currently looking at a CPO mini hardtop 2017 or 2018. I wouldn’t want to flash it before the warranty ends. So the plug and play is the way to go for me
Clear downvote for 1. Calling the coopers S engine a b46 and 2. for calling fake vents nice. No they are not. And if they were open, they actually will have a purpose!!! Fake vents copy racecars and racecars have the vents for cooling and reducing the drag coeficcient.
@@TheMINIac give me the vin number and i will look it up. The b46 engine in the S is the very same engine as the B48, with the turbocharger of the JCW , done for better emissions and only in the US market. Now i feel stupid and ask for forgiveness. The vent thing is still valid though
Manual shifting on the 2021 S i automatic is unreal! Weight ratio is perfect with the b46 motor
When I first took delivery of my 5 doors CooperS, I found the suspension was a bit stiff changing from a regular Honda although it was great at taking hard corners. In some countries, Mini put Pirelli run flats and the shocks are not dynamic. I hate it when local dealership cut cost putting non dynamic shocks and this is in Sports mode shocks all the time. It just mean it is always at +10% stiffer.
After sometime, I changed them to a softer Michelin Pilot Sport tires, it felt a lot more comfortable for daily driving. I am just wondering whether anybody out there who enjoyed driving in sports shocks as a permanent feature?
Purple/blue colour option of facelift is bae ❤️
Are we just gonna ignore the convertible Cooper with the widebody/truck tires in the back at 3:55
Rather have the manual. And hoping to get the JWC. lt just having more involvement. But it's either the 2020 or the 2021 model. Thanks for sharing.
We didn’t get the manual in the 2020 model year in the US, 2019 Europe/UK models.
@@TheMINIac: try and get the manual it's so much better. Plus your car will drive better.
Around town is one more comfortable that the other? Meaning; suspension and interior as far as bumps, bad roads and the occasional longish trip? Or is the JCW really more of a race car in street clothing AKA...harsh? Thanks, love your videos.
Just get the Cooper S, add Pro exhaust, Pro suspension and JCW appearance package and you have the better car because of the shift speeds of the dct.
The problem is that the Pro exhaust isn't available for 2020 models...
The MINIac The MINIac Did you get that verified by your dealer? Mine says that MINI officially isn't supporting the Pro exhaust on the 2020s... And if MINI doesn't support it, dealers ought to not install them anymore.
The MINIac It does fit and of course it works indeed. But this is exactly what I meant. MINI doesn't support it, so it therefore voids the warranty... Things unfortunately are changing..!
The MINIac Please do. It would be great if you would prove me wrong. That way I could get it installed after all.
How do you get the exhaust to burble and pop in the S???
Brian Leister Sport mode is the short answer. Engine and exhaust have to be warm. Just downshift to around 3500 rpm and it should do it. If you downshift to 5000 rpm it should fire away.
Amigo! Need to make a decision between a manual S vs. an automatic JCW both 2021, what would be your preference? This will be my 1rst mini 😋
@@TheMINIac I appreciate your comments! Well I already did the downpayment for the S that has been ordered to Oxford (no manuals around the country) the dealer called me this morning to tell me there is one JCW GP pack edition (not the +300hp one) and since I was planning to purchase the JWC exahust for the S, the JCW is even cheaper! Actually the manual will be more expensive! This is the link for the JCW GP edition: www.bmwblog.com/2020/06/10/mini-john-cooper-works-gp-pack/
Thanks for your time and patience! Saludos from Mexico!
I’m tossing this up too!! Would you rather a Manual Cooper S or a JCW Automatic?
now try the ONE with green mode(coachbus mode) 😄
lol. Green mode makes me want to pull my teeth out.
@@TheMINIac haha
Nice video. Too bad you didn't have a nice twisty road to compare these two on. I'm SO, SO glad that BMW brought back the manual trans for 2021!!! Fuck automatics!
A female security guard just called. She wants her voice back.
The MINIac Lool you clearly can’t handle the Internet.
The MINIac yeah you’re gonna struggle on the Internet then
The balloon lady says no way
You wrong for that 😂
I could just as easily ban anyone for making fun of me or people in my videos. But I choose to leave it here.
Recorded audio isn’t the same as in real life so assume what you want about my voice.
I really could care less.
why you are not explain importing thing! they are both same engine. you can buy cheap one and tune it! boom 300 HP! you guys dealing with dealer! why you not talking the true!
@@TheMINIac i see, sorry i didn't know and you didn't explain in video. thanks.
@@TheMINIac Im googling now, maybe i can find something I hope. otherwise i will buy gti. also i believe if its locked then supra locked too!
@@TheMINIac well, if we can be tune its best option in market. 27K starting price. golf gti is around 32K aslo more heavy. and subaru looks good but cvt, we cant tune cvt trans. hyundai Veloster nice but its not looks good. so i will check all other cars.
@@TheMINIac Im in usa los angeles. maybe i can find some tune mechanic shop.
@@TheMINIac i call the mini dealer, they told me the ecu not blocked. They said you can tune.
I just traded my 2013 JCW for a 2020 Mini Cooper S with manual drive and I am loving it.....it's so awesome!
@@TheMINIac I love your videos man!! Keep up spearing the Mini word :)!
Hi from Germany I have a Mini Cooper s with John Cooper works interior
@Saroj M I don’t think so I love my Cooper S it’s perfect
Great review boss, in 2 weeks im picking up a 2014 cooper s manual, i really wanted a jcw but just couldn't find any good ones for sale, i cant wait to pick it up🙂
Jcw is one of best for it class ps. I just sold it after 4 yrs. Now waiting for my jcw clubman2021
I have a '16 F55s and I absolutely LOVE my mini. It was such a spur of the moment decision that I just couldn't pass it up. In the video, when you would kind of punch it a little and then giggle, that is SO me. Glad I'm not the only one that does that lol
Good video. I love how you points out the cars are so similar and really different at the same time .
Cmon man! your driving two sports cars and babying them! Do them justice and put them through their paces!
As an r53 owner i miss the fact that they stoped doing supercharged engines and NOW NO manual.... :(
Great review!! Loving the JCW
Me and my wife last week looked at both these cars, the cooper s is the better car for families with more the 2 people, the JCW seats are not good for back sear passengers, power wise there is not much in it, we outed and bought a cooper clubman s sport, in the UK this comes with the JCW pack, we upgraded the wheels to 19in and upgraded the seats.
What would be the "aftermarket tune" that you would do on this standard S version that would give you some extra horses....without spending thousands? Thank you, I've learned so much from your videos.
@@TheMINIac Thanks for the response!
to hell with the haters , what state are you from ?
North Rhine Westphalia 😂
The real difference between an s and jcw is basically a tune
Just stage 2'd my 2015 countryman s with a jcw appearance package and its already up to jcw spec with less than a thousand bucks in parts (bigger intercooler and a downpipe)
Edit: it sounds cooler too❤
It's still not a JCW--If someone plans on modifying their S, he/she should just buy a real JCW from the outset. Mods will actually lower your trade in value when you go to trade, yet dealers will pay the premium for a real JCW........
@Ryan-cv8sn that's only a problem for resale, and since I'm running mine til it dies (so in my dreams I can gr swap it) trade and resale are not much of a factor
I love my JCW hatch (F56 LCI). So much fun to drive!
I think modifying a cooper s would be rewarding but if I chose the JCW I'd leave it stock.
Can JCW drive quietly if I want or it is always loud not matter high speed or driving slow like 30mph?
Yes it can, can also put it into the eco driving mode, if need be.
I ordered a countryman S in Feb but had doubts then yesterday I tried the JCW and it just felt like perfect fit (old car was Honda Type R) it's coming in June. Nanuq white, black accents and roof and tan seats
@@TheMINIac Cool, I will look out for it lol
@@TheMINIac forgot to say the jcw I got was 3 door so its a big change lol
I have a mini cooper S 2014 and the motor is b48 no 46
Thanks for the upload
I believe UK market does offer the lovely track spokes for the non JCW. They come with a subtly different 'bend' in the spokes as they dont need to clear the JCW brakes. they are great. Here in North America i suppose the 17inch cosmos spoke in black would be the closest...
Im not a huge fan of the full JCW/chilli appearance package on an S ( It starts to devalue the JCW as it includes EVERYTHING down to the jcw door sill labels).
Just checked the current MINI canada inventory. There is a limited edition Cooper S JCW edition for 2020.....
The UK offer so much more for the mini than you get in the states, my wife and I have just ordered a 2021 clubman s sport thT one with the JCW pack
Thanks mate, enjoyed this presentation.
Another exceptional review!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I got the 2024 mini S, just couldn’t justify the extra $10,000 for the JCW. I do love driving it.
Spot on about the power to weight ratio and toque. Mini for life
How/why is the FCW so much more powerful than the Cooper S and what are the different handling set ups / characteristics of each? I get that one is 'great' and the other one is a 'fun' and you love it 'cos life is too short, or something. Could you have done a little more comparative research on these cars? sry, just sayin'
Can you please make a video for the basic Mini Cooper not jcw or s
Nice one... love my JCW too...
Dude, I love smoking Subarus with my JCw
Oh hello there fellow Kansas City person! Just picked up my first mini cooper s from Baron!
Great comparison, thanks. 👍Greetings from Austria.
What I miss in these comparisons are technical specifications, what are the differences in the engine, are there different pistons, are there different flywheels? As far as I know, you can buy a tuning package for Cooper S, full exhaust with software that turns it into JCW. So these cars are not that different since they can achieve the same power so easily. Of course, I'm leaving out the brakes, which in JCW are more adapted to sports.
The MINI JCW Team uses the B46 engine out of the Cooper S rather than the B48 since all of their JCW cars started life as Cooper S.
As such, with very few differences, tuning is the primary difference.
I bought a Classic 2020 S hardtop. Basic and affordable. The others are just plain pricey.
What’s the difference between the new dual clutch and the previous steptronic from the 2015 model?
miniac were is the gp3 review
You can't call it a vent.... if it's not a vent.
Hi, didn't the mini's have the b48 engine? I was surprised when you said b46
@@TheMINIac , thanks. This sort of threw a wrench into my research. What i read is that the ones with “D” at the end are diesel models...or is that nomenclature only in Europe?
So the b38 and b58 engines can have a jb4 installed as to not have the need to flash the ecu with custom map. What is out there for the b46?
I am glad i read your response before tomorrow.
@@TheMINIac thanks again. I am currently looking at a CPO mini hardtop 2017 or 2018. I wouldn’t want to flash it before the warranty ends. So the plug and play is the way to go for me
He started breathing heavy when he started putting gas on JCW. Guess he came in his pants😅
@@TheMINIac *shrugs*
@@TheMINIac I'm not politically correct so I gave myself the pass when I said it.
230 dollar jb+ in my 2020 cooper s and it has jcw performance.
@@TheMINIac well duh lol! amazing little cars no matter what path you take.
He drives it like a B. Drive the damn things!!!
Love ur videos , you made my mind on jcw vs s , ı'm signing the purchase tomorrow
Is the suspension harder on the JCW or are they the same? Same question for 2021MY. Thanks in advance.
What’s the main difference between a 2019 and 2020 cooper s?
Clear downvote for 1. Calling the coopers S engine a b46 and 2. for calling fake vents nice. No they are not. And if they were open, they actually will have a purpose!!! Fake vents copy racecars and racecars have the vents for cooling and reducing the drag coeficcient.
@@TheMINIac give me the vin number and i will look it up. The b46 engine in the S is the very same engine as the B48, with the turbocharger of the JCW , done for better emissions and only in the US market. Now i feel stupid and ask for forgiveness. The vent thing is still valid though