The Right Way to Install Subfloor
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2022
- This video is all about the right way to install subfloor. Make sure to gap the panels, this is stamped on the panels and is very important In this video, we are laying @AdvantechSubfloor subfloor, using Advantech Subfloor Adhesive and fastening with @PaslodeUSA TetraGrip nails.
As the GC who keeps the framing "in house" we have a vested interest in a high quality installation. We don't want call backs and squeaks can signal "cut corners". Not to mention that we have friends and family who buy or rent out homes and so we get the feedback from visiting homes we built 5, 10 or even 20 years ago.
Please remember that I'm not showing the best way to do anything, but just the method that works well for us. Thanks for watching!
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If you cover the expanding spray foam guns with petroleum jelly where the cannister screws on, any foam that gets on the gun will not stick. This makes clean up and removing the cannister a lot easier. It also keeps the ball/valve from getting stuck.
Good tip. I always keep a large jar of P- Jelly in my bags.
I guess when you screw up real bad; ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Viener slider
Don’t nail the row of nails closest to the groove until the next sheets tongue is in groove. Makes getting the tongue and grooves together a lot easier
@awesomeframers Man, I wish I could have learned framing from someone like you. During my first week of framing, I was yelled at for not nailing the subfloor fast enough (like you mentioned street nailing) literally my first time using a coil nailer. I think you are right about the money taking your time and not having shiners everywhere underneath. I have watched you teach and you have a lot of patience in the industry and that's what creates quality carpenters. Thank you for what you do man.
fkn word, too many handymen out there thinking they are all that riding on apprentices. this guy is actually legit good.
Amen, he knows when to take the time, so much sloppy construction out there.
Oh yeah let me tell ya using nails instead of screws yep you learn on
Agreed, more haste less speed. Think thrice, measure twice and cut once. Thanks for the videos, as a carpenter for over 30 years I still enjoy learning new things 🙂
I use the Simpson Strong-Tie “Quick Drive” system for screwing the decking down for several years now… Screws no glue… and no bending over… I put 7 screws per row… no squeaks 👍
Amazing video! You do give actual great advices and info. I've been a framer for a good 6 years and the way you talk reminds of the guy who taught me the trade that would always say. "slow is precision and precision is speed". Btw that 80s sythn music is perfection!
Keep it coming 🥳🥳🥳
As always... absolutely fabulous 🥳🥳🥳
Fantastic. Thank you for emphasising the need for panel edge spacing...and following the nailing schedule. Too many fasteners can create as many problems as not enough.
How many is too many? I can see if you split the joist flange with nails 2" OC. But if you nailed your field at 8" OC vs. 12" OC, do you think that would be a problem?
I have two chisels that have been with me since 1985 or 6. Almost as long as my wife.
Your videos are excellent. After being involved in over 600 condos and countless houses your videos make me proud of what I accomplished but somewhat embarrassed by how inefficiently I probably did it. Your methodology is what I only dreamed of...
Two people, always more than twice as fast ! Love it
Merry Christmas boys!! Thank you for sharing and all the awesome content!
Enjoyed the infomation you inparted in this video..thanks for Sharing.
Great video. Very helpful.
Thanks! I’m in school for construction and we’re putting in the subfloor for a duplex tomorrow.
I hear you on the speed as cabinet maker going in to those speed homes are brutal.
Doing a small extension using PL EVERYWHERE .Great video thanks
Great Content thank you! i wish we had that weather in this video right now.... snow and ice storms in the PNW,. I am already done with the winter, and it just started. :D
Really awesome to see builders that take pride in their work. Too many bottom of the barrel houses being thrown together around here with price tags for a 2-bedroom ranch priced at 3-times what the median income can afford.
Great vedeo very helpful
Merry Christmas ⛄🎄
Nice job brings back memories. You should try for gold at the next Olimpic's.👍✌️
That intro song tho! 👌
Merry Christmas! Fastest man ever... LOL
Merry Christmas to you all!
Rather than “slow”, I refer to it as “deliberate”. Merry Christmas buddy.
Great vid. Merry Xmas. I still love pl premium
I will be laying my own 640 sq ft subfloor in a few weeks so this is golden. Many thanks! Oh and it seems like you can just eyeball the gap needed and pound the 4x8 sheets into place accordingly. Least wise I didnt see you use the famous little chisel for each sheet.
You gonna show us the bloopers on that speed run? 😅. Merry Christmas guys!
I wanna work with these guys man.
Hallo from austria Europa. MERRY CHRISTMAS
Get in da choppa
I moved away from learning to frame because I hated how the guys got yelled at for not looking like they were in a speed race. Every other day someone would say they hurt their back or shoulders. It seems like all the framing crews here in Florida are more about speed and less about quality and thats not because framers here aren't craftsman but contractors only care about their wallets. At 40 I would probably be a framer today if it weren't for that.
Well thank the lord you aren’t a framer just kidding ya a lot of areas get flooded with companies and once a couple of them start undercutting they bring the whole market down. I’m lucky where I live it’s not really an issue plus there’s tons of oceanfront so there’s always good work all around.
@@x-raymind7778 why not just say it . The people the machine are allowing to flow into everywhere in America , are allowing company owners to make TONS of money . In 1992 I was making 20 dollars per hour and paid 52 dollars a square yard for concrete for my house . Now my house is 3 times more valuable than in 1992 and concrete cost 150 dollars a square yard and I get 25 dollars per hour taping . WAKE UP YOU EFFIN RUBE !
I put adhesive on the tounge and groove
Why not glue to the rim?
Aside from the tetranail, what coil gun do you recommend for nailing off flooring/sheathing?
The tetragrip only makes 1 size nail, correct? I may have missed it in the video, but what about 1-1/8" subfloor? Are you using tetragrip or longer ring shank and screws? Thanks for the videos! Merry Christmas
You mentioned that you will be going back and screwing the panels down later. Why not just use the standup screw gun to put them down in the first place? Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Do they make those nails for exterior use like for decking boards/framing? I wonder does the expansion/contraction and shrinking of wood over time work them out of the wood like regular nails?
What thicknes subflooring are you using?
I never used a gun until the deck was sheeted.
But then I was 11 years old and dad hands me a box of ring shanks and a 16oz framing hammer and said every 8" in the field and 6" on the seams.
1971..
Why don't you glue to the rim joist?
Are you in Seattle?
The top flange hangers hold the TGI a little higher then the beam. I've been told it's to allow movement between the beam , joists.....if that's the case, why glue the beam?
The glue has some flex. The reason I would want that glue in there is to prevent squeaks
I gap sheets but on a really long run on conventional lumber. You loose layout eventually then why don’t they make them an 1/8 th short if they want them spaced. Didn’t make sense does it. We glue the tongue. Why not but leave room for a little drainage
Sheets are undersized 1/16" which should allow for 1/8" spacing on a long run with no issues.
Do y’all ever use the 1 1/8 advantec
This is it
As the saying goes, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
What did you do to ensure the 1/8 inch gap at the tongue and Groove?
A rookie question, if u leave 1/8 space between each end of each sheet, do u allow more than 16 inch on center, if not after a run of 6 or 7 sheets, one would not arrive at 16 on center? Saw it later in your video where they keep the sheet a little less than 8 feet to allow for that.
great question. The sheathing is "sized for spacing" meaning it is shorter than 8' for exactly this reason.
Is Advantech sized to account for the 1/8", in other words the repeat is precisely 48 x 96 when laid? A 24' deep floor plan will sheet with exactly six rows? And 48' wide uses exactly 6 sheets?
When your propping up the sheets with the 90x45 leave the timber half out so you can rest your tapping block on top of the 90x45 - heaps easier.
9:47 stuck the landing! 😁Why no glue on the rim joist?
it's under a wall no squeaks if it's compressed and you can't walk on the spot.
@@TheCwagright also we come back after snapping the deck and push or pull the rim board to where it should be. Surprisingly it can be up to 3/8” off
Nice V. but if you space the but ends 1/8 after about 8 sheets wouldn't you be off by an inch?
Just like most building materials the sheets are 1/8” short of advertised dimensions.
How do you get your subfloor straight? Do you pull layout the first few rolls and then just go or do you pull layout all the way as you sheet? Or do you just blocking
He pulled a chalk line then used his hammer to hit the layout.
If my framers installed my advantech subfloor short seams too tightly (no gap)… can I take a circular saw and saw gaps between each sheet now that they are already installed?
So do you name whomever you have working with you “Kyle” or has there been two in the last year or so? I recall in another video there was a different Kyle you said you’ve worked with since 2008. Not the same guy though right? Where’s he at these days? I liked the dynamic you two had. Of course no offense to the “current Kyle” 😂
We are using 5/8 tongue and groove plywood to sheet floors but the delaminating groove is lifting under the Lino and we see a line all the way down the floor, yes we use floor level compound but it’s delaminating groove that is problem … any ideas?
If you are using a glue on each joist full sheet width, and an ample nailing pattern, and coupled with a modern engineered subfloor...is that 1/8 gap really that critical?
Lol if it’s specified in the installation manual of the product like it is then yes it really is that critical.
Why is the 1/8" gap important when joining the tongue and groove subfloor?
I can’t believe that 2x4 beater handle setup!! So simple, never thought of that at all!!
Looks like the glue does not extend all the way to the end of the panel. Leaving 6 or so inches not glued. Isn't that an issue?
Short arms 😊. It won’t matter, those nails and glue are beyond bonded. Don’t nail too close to the T&G edge until after they are together or sometimes it won’t glue in smooth.
I'm 74 now was as framer.Dont walk across these.Just watching made my back hurt.
why nails and not screws?🤔
Have you ever applied osb/advantech decking on metal purlins? Any changes in procedure?
Nope
Hey, what happened to saving your back and not bending over? I remember you used Simpson Quik Drive a lot... now you have to bend with a handheld nailer
It's a commercial .
Yep yep
we always put the glue on any iron work
Why don’t you glue the perimeter joist? And why don’t you glue both sheets at a butt joint?
Glue spurggggggge 10 hours please 😊
Just starting out so I’m wondering if you keep adding an 1/8 gap per sheet won’t you be off layout within a few sheets and then need to cut more sheets !?
excellent question. The panels are sized smaller to allow for that gap. The APA stamp will say something like "sized for spacing".
@@AwesomeFramers thank you for answering! And thank you for the videos , your an awesome role model for the industry, I definitely look up to you and your crew ,much appreciated !!
We’re coming back to alot huh
The “proper way” specifically says not use a sledge hammer. Do you guys run into any issues damaging the groove side of the sheet?
Record in stereo or at least double the track plz
The right way then I see the nail gun haha
Google the nails, they are like screws
Do I need to leave a gap?
yes
2-foot centers on a joice with 3/4 plywood seems really erroneous. May they will double stack the floor. I know for a fact that 16-inch centers don't work because that's what I do is correct squeaky.
24" centers do indeed work and not squeak. We have years of proof 👍
Aren’t you supposed to not drop them instead lower slowly when using that foam
Has never been an issue for us, it reduces to gel very quickly 👍
Glued, Tetra nailed, and screwed.... Which is exactly what you'll be if you ever need to remove one of those subfloors
I hate working with guys like that, working like speedy Gonzales,all crazy..its dumb..I like how you working, quality work..Im in Seattle you hiring?
If you’re going to go back and screw it off, why use expensive nails in the first place?
Subflooring under studded walls will in 40 or 50 years of normal life in a house will turn to crap and an unfixable problem....
What do you do? Do you leave a 3-1/2” gap around the perimeter for the bottom plate of the next floor when laying the subfloor? What about for the interior walls?
Frame the walls and put a 2x4 nailer between each joist, half under the wall frame then put down subflooring... you build for customers and codes... I build just for me...
I think that you are on that glue
you guys are actually heroes for doing this for an audience.
keep up the good work and the good fight
Why use glue if you just drop the sheet of sub floor down and let it slap all the glue off the top of the joist. Just let it down gently and all the glue will be used.
The glue doesn't come off the joist. For proof of that, you can look underneath and see zero splatter.
Total BS.@@AwesomeFramers
🤣🤣🤣🤣@@vanman3752 prove it bro, I've shown it so many times here, you never see the glue splatter. That's facts, your opinion is ill-informed. Show us video of it splattering to prove your point. I've already shown and proven it.
OK just put a tablespoon of catchup on the table and slap it with your hand and see what happens. Be sure to wear a white shirt and pants when you do it so you can see where it goes. @@AwesomeFramers
@@vanman3752😂😂😂 that's not this glue. Your wrong, move on.
Nailing it down is not the right way. Needs to be screwed down or the customers. Gonna have squeaky floors in the future, also. Sub flooring cement should be applied also.😮😮😮😮
I (customer) required screwed down subfloors in both of my last homes. The floors in the home before those two were nailed and developed very annoying squeaks.
If you were to do all this properly you would be screwing the floor down, not nailing it!
Nice garbage engineered floor joists there, what a scam job. In a fire that will fail in 7 minutes or so
Hey thanks for stopping by and spreading your brand of misinformation with zero references.
For future readers, you can easily to the research on modern fire codes and I Joist assemblies. Here is a start www.apawood.org/i-joist-fire-assemblies
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@AwesomeFramers sorry for the personal jab, I removed it. Attack the problem not the person, just know that there are millions in public safety dealing with the fallout from practices such as this.
Screwing and glue is the way to go. Nails pop up with moisture unless your dam lucky
Those nails act like screws and are stronger than screws. It’s overkill.