The Navy pilots didn't just "see something". Their laser and infra red targeting systems locked onto the objects. Systems designed for targeting fast moving aircraft. That is not a shadow or a mirage or a figment of the pilots imagination. laser and infra red targeting systems don't have an imagination. If pilots trained to observe enemy aircraft and two independent targeting systems say something was there, that is pretty concrete evidence something was there. It doesn't tell you what it was though. But whatever it was, our best military fighter jets couldn't keep up with it.....and it wasn't a rocket or missile.
Also the Princeton was tracking them from 80,000' to sea level for over 2 weeks and kept trying to send fighter planes to their location. 4 fighter planes with 2 crewmen each all witnessed the same thing.
Thank you Dr. Frank, for the interesting exposition on the history of SETI and more. Even we hardly use Radio Waves anymore in a span of less than a hundred years, so why should we think that intelligent Aliens would use this method of signaling?
2 pilots and two WSO’s witnessed the Tictac incident eyes on, there are also corroborating radar tracks recoded by nearby navy ships. Funny how Dr. Frank extends considerably more credibility to fellow academic Avi Loeb than he does top gun graduate fighter pilots and the people with the highest security clearances in the land. I’m going with the pilots on this one. Incidentally I have minimally contributed to Mick West’s debunking efforts on another sighting.
Yeah and that, apparently is just the tip of the iceberg..maybe the scientists will be the last people to realise the aliens are here... ..of course I don't believe in aliens, I'm just having trouble filtering all the reports....and working out who to believe ,should I be looking for Dyson speres
@@richardfinlayson1524 funny, I feel the same contradiction you do. I would be happy to have someone debunk this completely so I could move on. I accept Mick’s debunking on the green triangle footage, I wish there was the same clarity on the other events unfortunately there isn’t. Something very odd is going on. It’s exciting and worrying, if you’re like me I’m spending an awful lot of time on this.
I think the "Great Silence" of Fermi's Paradox might just be due to interstellar distances and the fact that a _Star Trek_ type of warp drive is just not possible. {:-:-:}
No warp drive required. Arithmetically speaking, a civilization could spread throughout the galaxy in tens or hundreds of millions of years with only modest assumptions about travel speed. If life is commonplace, there should be many creatures with up to several billion years more time than we've had. So if they exist, where are they? Or if they're not there, why not? I think the answer is that we don't even know what the evidence of a galaxy-wide civilization would look like any more than an ant would recognize evidence of human space travel even if it was on the space station.
@@MeyerMack ROFLMAO! "Galaxy-wide civilisation"! "hundreds of millions of years" of gradual spread thoughout the galaxy! So evolution stops in your imaginary dream world? Given that even at ten times the speed of Voyager, about 105 miles per second, it would take 7,630 years just to get to Proxima Centauri, I doubt any such space faring race has spread very far. Even a fusion rocket at 5% the speed of light would take 86.6 years and the helium-3 needed would cost about $5.267 trillion for an unmanned mission. That's if it doesn't get destroyed by the tiniest particle of rock or space dust. And they may not even be there at all if we were the first space-faring civilisation to evolve. So far, we hardly got our toes wet at the top of the beach at high tide. {:-:-:} PS Do you think that such a civilisation would be disembodied minds or energy beings capable of traveling by quantum entanglement or something? They certainly wouldn't be crashing to Earth behind a barn in Ohio, or being filmed by navy and air force pilots. :D
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I guess you didn't try doing the math, because at 2,000 years per light year, ships launched from Earth could reach the farthest point in the galaxy in about 200 million years. Even allowing multi-thousand-year rest stops every 5-10 light years to establish colonies and build up their infrastructure, we're talking hundreds of millions of years. And by the time the very first ship reached that farthest point, most of rest of the galaxy would already be saturated by all those colonies launching their own colonies in other directions. Disembodied minds? No, I wouldn't propose that unless I had some idea how it could be done. But they might want to engineer their bodies to be as small as possible for efficiency.
@@MeyerMack *_"I guess you didn't try doing the math, because at 2,000 years per light year, ships launched from Earth could reach the farthest point in the galaxy in about 200 million years."_* I guess you forgot to take your meds. 8,660 years to reach the nearest star? 346 generations? It's not a question of maths, it's a question of sanity. What you suggest is so ridicuously implausible, it's not even worthy of a 1950s B movie sci fi script. And these 10 mile wide space cities would also have to carry all the data, technology and educated scientists and engineers to build a NASA-level technology at every rest point, assuming they could find a habitable planet or moon when they get there? After 8,660 years? Not to mention producing oxygen, food and water _en route._ 200 million years? We evolved from tiny shrew-like creatures in less than half that time. What do you think will be getting off those ships by the time they reached the other side of the galaxy? It's utter nonsense. {:-:-:} _(Edited for tyops - again!)_
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I thought we were talking about how far an intelligent life form could have spread by now, using only technology that doesn't break any limits imposed by the laws of physics as we know them so far, if they had emerged some time within the multi-billion-year window of opportunity prior to us. Evolution? Just due to the relative scales involved, they, like us, would probably start studying and manipulating their own genes (or equivalent) long before launching colony ships. If they took a million years to master their own genetics and a few more millions of years learning how to efficiently locate resources and bootstrap colonies that could start launching their own ships periodically every few thousand years, all of that initial R&D adds up to a mere rounding error that doesn't change anything. The only necessary assumption is that once they have the knowledge, the times involved are on the order of thousands of years per light year. Having no idea what those results would look like, it's no surprise that even if they do exist out there, and even if we could detect them (which is unlikely if, say, they spend most of the trip frozen in stasis), we wouldn't recognize what we were seeing. By the way, estimates are a lot easier if you pay attention to significant figures. There's no significant difference between 7,630 years to the nearest star, 2,000 years per light year, and 8,660 years to the nearest star.
Why does the search for extraterrestrial life depend so heavily on the United States? What international efforts are there to find life beyond earth. Also if an exoplanet was like earth in terms of size and atmospheric chemistry then how far away could it be from earth and still have evidence of life detected with present day instruments?
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 He meant anthropocentric, it is a word and is defined as: adj. Regarding humans as the central element of the universe. adj. Interpreting reality exclusively in terms of human values and experience. Regarding man as the central fact of creation; assuming man to be the final aim and end of creation
@@Larootan I know what antropomorphic and anthropocentric mean, but he didn't use either of them. But he is correct that no one cares about bacteria or primitaive algae. When tax payers are happy to fund things like SETI, they mean people. Not disembodied gas clouds or reptilians coming to eat us and steal our resources. They mean humanoid civilisations. And if there _were_ a species trying to contact us, it is not anthropocentric to call the lack of contact a paradox. Any intelligent, sentient being with the ability to build things and search the cosmos for signs of intelligence would be able to work out some way to contact us. The problem really is that the distances are just too vast and there will never be any such thing as a warp drive. {:-:-:}
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 Thank you for your contribution. Correcting my spelling was clearly the best way you could better this conversation. Asshole.
OK so one eyewitness or the grainy pics don't hold much but the cumulative body of evidence is actually quite strong. Radar, scorch marks multiple eyewitnesses etc etc. And that is before we get to animal mutilations and abductions.
A another reason You have not thought about ( or mentioned) that they have procedures and agenda -( which I dont know about scuat) but They dont want official reqognisim should that not point out something about them or u s or the situation . If they "landed" they might have rules they dont want to start -To make it official might be a "claim" Do you really want that ?
There's to many people buying cameras shoving them in front of themselves in their study of bedroom. Recording hours of stuff they haven't a clue about and cluttering up RUclips with it.
alien topic should be talked by historians and biologists but it seems physicists and cosmologists carry the burden because nobody else in other fields tries.
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 well, if someone claimed that they saw a chinese man, nobody would question that fact but if someone said they saw trump or biden in the street, people will question that and ask for facts if you ask for undoubtable facts or data about UFO, then you're assuming that life and inteligence is super-rare if you really believe that life is banal and inteligence is the same, then there is nothing extra-ordinarry about ETs visiting the earth under our nose without being detected by radio telescope (well, common, telescopes arnt made to detect alien ships)
FLOPS OF THE GREAT RESET 2021 1. Kevin Smith's He-Man (TEELA) 2. In the Heights (LATINEX HATE...IT!!!!) 3. LOKI 4. Falcon/Winter Soldier 5. Cruella 6. WandaVision
I found Mars people & animals 2004& have pics 200.I designed first 3 Mars rovers 1987 as Ghostwriter for Star Trek.Go Ogle Im ages > Jerry Lehane Mars. Mars people 6 inches to 5 feet tall,wear light clothes or naked,no masks.Animals numerous,some similar to Earth animals.
Yes, maybe an intellectual machine learning algorithm, perpetual,autonomous,silent, drone without carbon I'm not sure who does it,please do me a favor and if you don't believe in God tonight and for every night this week look up and say God are you real and God do you love me,just do it,only take a couple seconds a night, any how he wants to hug you,he's going to hug you
checklist to talk about aliens: 1-Have you been inside AREA-51? A-Yes, ok let's hear you. B-No, I have not been inside AREA 51. You can only speculate about UFOs and aliens. 2-would go to a ZOO and let machine guns be taken by the animals in the zoo? NO of course not. OK now you know all about UFOs and aliens
@MartinGilvray There's not 1 AGENDA. There's a multi-dimensional set of realities & agendas. If you're not 💯% crystal clear on that yet, you have some study & info to absorb that's readily available & like Non-humans themselves are right in front of our faces & right (like entrepreneur Bob Bigelow says) under our noses !!!
@@marcsalzman8082 I did not state that our visitors are from our dimension, I do not believe weather we see them or what they want us to see do you have information regarding the deep space lens tested over Tampa Florida ? , the light frequency given by the propulsion and how there movement was grid like as if undertaking surveillance . I also understand the unified field theory you come across very condescending. I think you would find it very hard to educate me in the above matters. Do you understand the dimension shift of the Quozie crystal.
The Navy pilots didn't just "see something". Their laser and infra red targeting systems locked onto the objects. Systems designed for targeting fast moving aircraft. That is not a shadow or a mirage or a figment of the pilots imagination. laser and infra red targeting systems don't have an imagination. If pilots trained to observe enemy aircraft and two independent targeting systems say something was there, that is pretty concrete evidence something was there. It doesn't tell you what it was though. But whatever it was, our best military fighter jets couldn't keep up with it.....and it wasn't a rocket or missile.
Also the Princeton was tracking them from 80,000' to sea level for over 2 weeks and kept trying to send fighter planes to their location.
4 fighter planes with 2 crewmen each all witnessed the same thing.
And am afraid to say Mick west iw correct 😮
Was supposed to request a meeting with your leaders, but we watched your news.
Thank you Dr. Frank, for the interesting exposition on the history of SETI and more. Even we hardly use Radio Waves anymore in a span of less than a hundred years, so why should we think that intelligent Aliens would use this method of signaling?
Picture a Dyson Sphere hanging in space with a speech balloon : "Is it hot in here, or is it just me?"
2 pilots and two WSO’s witnessed the Tictac incident eyes on, there are also corroborating radar tracks recoded by nearby navy ships. Funny how Dr. Frank extends considerably more credibility to fellow academic Avi Loeb than he does top gun graduate fighter pilots and the people with the highest security clearances in the land. I’m going with the pilots on this one. Incidentally I have minimally contributed to Mick West’s debunking efforts on another sighting.
Yeah and that, apparently is just the tip of the iceberg..maybe the scientists will be the last people to realise the aliens are here...
..of course I don't believe in aliens, I'm just having trouble filtering all the reports....and working out who to believe ,should I be looking for Dyson speres
it's been a problem of academia, to only trust data that comes from their labs and instruments
@@zazugee or worse yet, not to analyze data but to obsessively site each other in stale, stilted, laborious exercises of scholasticism.
@@richardfinlayson1524 funny, I feel the same contradiction you do. I would be happy to have someone debunk this completely so I could move on. I accept Mick’s debunking on the green triangle footage, I wish there was the same clarity on the other events unfortunately there isn’t. Something very odd is going on. It’s exciting and worrying, if you’re like me I’m spending an awful lot of time on this.
@@TulseLuper92 sure is weird, I wonder if my worldview has become obsolete,sometimes
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Well now I can understand the excitement for the Webb telescope which will seek out infrared (heat). Is it still scheduled for launch in Oct 2021?
Yes
Thank you so much for sharing knowledge, ideas and explanations with the world.
Благодарю.
I think the "Great Silence" of Fermi's Paradox might just be due to interstellar distances and the fact that a _Star Trek_ type of warp drive is just not possible.
{:-:-:}
No warp drive required. Arithmetically speaking, a civilization could spread throughout the galaxy in tens or hundreds of millions of years with only modest assumptions about travel speed. If life is commonplace, there should be many creatures with up to several billion years more time than we've had. So if they exist, where are they? Or if they're not there, why not? I think the answer is that we don't even know what the evidence of a galaxy-wide civilization would look like any more than an ant would recognize evidence of human space travel even if it was on the space station.
@@MeyerMack
ROFLMAO!
"Galaxy-wide civilisation"!
"hundreds of millions of years" of gradual spread thoughout the galaxy!
So evolution stops in your imaginary dream world?
Given that even at ten times the speed of Voyager, about 105 miles per second, it would take 7,630 years just to get to Proxima Centauri, I doubt any such space faring race has spread very far.
Even a fusion rocket at 5% the speed of light would take 86.6 years and the helium-3 needed would cost about $5.267 trillion for an unmanned mission. That's if it doesn't get destroyed by the tiniest particle of rock or space dust.
And they may not even be there at all if we were the first space-faring civilisation to evolve. So far, we hardly got our toes wet at the top of the beach at high tide.
{:-:-:}
PS Do you think that such a civilisation would be disembodied minds or energy beings capable of traveling by quantum entanglement or something? They certainly wouldn't be crashing to Earth behind a barn in Ohio, or being filmed by navy and air force pilots.
:D
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I guess you didn't try doing the math, because at 2,000 years per light year, ships launched from Earth could reach the farthest point in the galaxy in about 200 million years. Even allowing multi-thousand-year rest stops every 5-10 light years to establish colonies and build up their infrastructure, we're talking hundreds of millions of years. And by the time the very first ship reached that farthest point, most of rest of the galaxy would already be saturated by all those colonies launching their own colonies in other directions.
Disembodied minds? No, I wouldn't propose that unless I had some idea how it could be done. But they might want to engineer their bodies to be as small as possible for efficiency.
@@MeyerMack
*_"I guess you didn't try doing the math, because at 2,000 years per light year, ships launched from Earth could reach the farthest point in the galaxy in about 200 million years."_*
I guess you forgot to take your meds.
8,660 years to reach the nearest star?
346 generations?
It's not a question of maths, it's a question of sanity. What you suggest is so ridicuously implausible, it's not even worthy of a 1950s B movie sci fi script.
And these 10 mile wide space cities would also have to carry all the data, technology and educated scientists and engineers to build a NASA-level technology at every rest point, assuming they could find a habitable planet or moon when they get there? After 8,660 years? Not to mention producing oxygen, food and water _en route._
200 million years? We evolved from tiny shrew-like creatures in less than half that time. What do you think will be getting off those ships by the time they reached the other side of the galaxy?
It's utter nonsense.
{:-:-:}
_(Edited for tyops - again!)_
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I thought we were talking about how far an intelligent life form could have spread by now, using only technology that doesn't break any limits imposed by the laws of physics as we know them so far, if they had emerged some time within the multi-billion-year window of opportunity prior to us.
Evolution? Just due to the relative scales involved, they, like us, would probably start studying and manipulating their own genes (or equivalent) long before launching colony ships.
If they took a million years to master their own genetics and a few more millions of years learning how to efficiently locate resources and bootstrap colonies that could start launching their own ships periodically every few thousand years, all of that initial R&D adds up to a mere rounding error that doesn't change anything. The only necessary assumption is that once they have the knowledge, the times involved are on the order of thousands of years per light year.
Having no idea what those results would look like, it's no surprise that even if they do exist out there, and even if we could detect them (which is unlikely if, say, they spend most of the trip frozen in stasis), we wouldn't recognize what we were seeing.
By the way, estimates are a lot easier if you pay attention to significant figures. There's no significant difference between 7,630 years to the nearest star, 2,000 years per light year, and 8,660 years to the nearest star.
What a fantastic round-up of the subject from history to current research - I recommend people post this to their social media!
Why does the search for extraterrestrial life depend so heavily on the United States? What international efforts are there to find life beyond earth. Also if an exoplanet was like earth in terms of size and atmospheric chemistry then how far away could it be from earth and still have evidence of life detected with present day instruments?
Our ancient history documents many visitations; and the settlers never left the planet.
And Goldilocks documents talking bears who live in a house and cook porridge.
{:-:-:}
_(Edited for tyops)_
If, at first you don't succeed....
Thanks for re-re-uploading.
You're welcome
Isn't defining it as a paradox slightly anthropocentric?
No such word.
{:-:-:}
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 He meant anthropocentric, it is a word and is defined as: adj. Regarding humans as the central element of the universe.
adj. Interpreting reality exclusively in terms of human values and experience.
Regarding man as the central fact of creation; assuming man to be the final aim and end of creation
@@Larootan
I know what antropomorphic and anthropocentric mean, but he didn't use either of them.
But he is correct that no one cares about bacteria or primitaive algae. When tax payers are happy to fund things like SETI, they mean people. Not disembodied gas clouds or reptilians coming to eat us and steal our resources. They mean humanoid civilisations.
And if there _were_ a species trying to contact us, it is not anthropocentric to call the lack of contact a paradox. Any intelligent, sentient being with the ability to build things and search the cosmos for signs of intelligence would be able to work out some way to contact us. The problem really is that the distances are just too vast and there will never be any such thing as a warp drive.
{:-:-:}
Every"body" knows there is no centre to the universe
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 Thank you for your contribution. Correcting my spelling was clearly the best way you could better this conversation.
Asshole.
OK so one eyewitness or the grainy pics don't hold much but the cumulative body of evidence is actually quite strong. Radar, scorch marks multiple eyewitnesses etc etc. And that is before we get to animal mutilations and abductions.
I call aliens in this video when they start using their software changing the backgrounds making their heads all funky looking. lol
NAN NEU, NAN NEU. lol
A another reason You have not thought about ( or mentioned) that they have procedures and agenda -( which I dont know about scuat) but They dont want official reqognisim should that not point out something about them or u s or the situation . If they "landed" they might have rules they dont want to start -To make it official might be a "claim" Do you really want that ?
There's to many people buying cameras shoving them in front of themselves in their study of bedroom. Recording hours of stuff they haven't a clue about and cluttering up RUclips with it.
Humans invented radar stealth during WW 2. It was called "sumpf."
When I was young I thought contacting aliens would be a wonderful thing for humanity. Now, I think it would not be worth the risk.
If they come here, it will be to eat us and steal our resources?
{:-:-:}
alien topic should be talked by historians and biologists but it seems physicists and cosmologists carry the burden because nobody else in other fields tries.
Hey SETI, stop looking past them they are HERE on earth.
*Of all the physics there is to know, how much do we now know ❓*
5%, 1% or less.
this guy knows a lot of stuff but nothing about the ufo subject
Ths guy deals with verifiable facts.
Did you forget what the U in UFO stands for?
{:-:-:}
He's a male feminist....Most them are incels.
hahaha
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 well, if someone claimed that they saw a chinese man, nobody would question that fact
but if someone said they saw trump or biden in the street, people will question that and ask for facts
if you ask for undoubtable facts or data about UFO, then you're assuming that life and inteligence is super-rare
if you really believe that life is banal and inteligence is the same, then there is nothing extra-ordinarry about ETs visiting the earth under our nose without being detected by radio telescope (well, common, telescopes arnt made to detect alien ships)
FLOPS OF THE GREAT RESET 2021
1. Kevin Smith's He-Man (TEELA)
2. In the Heights (LATINEX HATE...IT!!!!)
3. LOKI
4. Falcon/Winter Soldier
5. Cruella
6. WandaVision
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All talk.
And no action.
Another know it all blowhard. No respect for trained fighter pilots or advanced radar operators on (at the time) the most advanced ship on the ocean.
@@garykish8951 please
I found Mars people & animals 2004& have pics 200.I designed first 3 Mars rovers 1987 as Ghostwriter for Star Trek.Go Ogle Im ages > Jerry Lehane Mars. Mars people 6 inches to 5 feet tall,wear light clothes or naked,no masks.Animals numerous,some similar to Earth animals.
Yes, maybe an intellectual
machine learning algorithm, perpetual,autonomous,silent, drone without carbon I'm not sure who does it,please do me a favor and if you don't believe in God tonight and for every night this week look up and say God are you real and God do you love me,just do it,only take a couple seconds a night, any how he wants to hug you,he's going to hug you
checklist to talk about aliens: 1-Have you been inside AREA-51? A-Yes, ok let's hear you. B-No, I have not been inside AREA 51. You can only speculate about UFOs and aliens. 2-would go to a ZOO and let machine guns be taken by the animals in the zoo? NO of course not. OK now you know all about UFOs and aliens
Y. Komonatski?! bahaha
No 2 pilots saw the same thing. They had 2 wing men in the back seats. Your version of what the Nimitz pilots saw is disingenuous.
If we don’t get a tweet from somewhere in the Universe soon the Catholics will us have back at the centre of the Universe, God forbid !!!
the DE is worthless.. we do not have all info for it. it is a guess ... sooo wish they stop with the drake E. its trash
Right out gate this guy strays off into hallucinatory terrain seti was developed for terrestrial eavesdropping not to search for aliens
thank you guys for pretending you dont see the ufo phenomenon
The question is ! What is the visitors agenda ?.
@MartinGilvray
There's not 1 AGENDA.
There's a multi-dimensional set of realities & agendas. If
you're not 💯% crystal clear on that yet, you have some study & info to absorb that's readily available & like
Non-humans themselves are right in front of our faces & right (like entrepreneur Bob Bigelow says) under our noses !!!
@@marcsalzman8082 I did not state that our visitors are from our dimension, I do not believe weather we see them or what they want us to see do you have information regarding the deep space lens tested over Tampa Florida ? , the light frequency given by the propulsion and how there movement was grid like as if undertaking surveillance . I also understand the unified field theory you come across very condescending. I think you would find it very hard to educate me in the above matters. Do you understand the dimension shift of the Quozie crystal.
I see the academics pushing their own narrative on the subject.
He is just trying to swindle the public!
What's wrong with you???
bullshit to get more money out of taxpayers....
“Climate crisis”. Aaaand goodbye.
Mick West is a joke