I’ve had my disco 3 for 13 years now. I bought it new (only a basic model, no whistles and bells). I love it more everyday. I’ll never sell it. Yes I’ve spend a lot of money on it but it’s worth every penny. You guys are fantastic. Love you’re sense of humour. Love from 🇬🇧.
I just traded my 2006 Discovery 3 for a 2015 Discovery 4 both used as our second car. Having previously owned a Discovery 3 and two Discovery 4s from new, I knew what I was buying. However, I had forgotten the horrendous turbo lag in the D3, as well as the lack of reversing camera and not being able to link my phone to the car to play music except through the Aux input. I also like the fact that I can see when the auto-lights have turned on by an indication in the driver display, rather than having to put my hand up near the rear view mirror and take my eyes away from driving to see if that little light is on. The keyless entry is a boon when you have your hands full, and being able to double-lock the car at a door then open the tailgate, knowing that when you close it, it will re-lock the car and re-arm the security system with no further input is also a big help. However, there are a couple of things I do miss from the D3. The first is personal preference - I prefer the old grille, and don't like the newer 'family face' grille on the D4. I also think it's a shame that LR changed the bumpers and wheel arch extensions from grey hard plastic to body-coloured gloss finish. Getting a scratch on the corner of a bumper or on the wheel arch didn't use to matter. It's also taken away what I believed was an aesthetically pleasing contrast on light coloured cars, like silver or white. All in all, I don't regret trading my D3 for a D4.
land rover not land rover any more....see i had a d2 and im in a d3 ...and the latest the i would go is 06 to 2015...and thats for the lr2 lr3 lr4. my lr2 was classy as fuck. my lr3 needs some work but im looking to buy a rr in the future.are a newer model of the lr2
Funny you should say that. I have both a Discovery 2 TD5 (2001) and an SDV6 HSE spec Discovery 4 (2013) and, although I love the D4, I have much greater confidence in the D2. The D4 is a beautiful vehicle to drive and a very capable offroader ... however, I have in the back of my mind .. snapping a crankshaft .. blowing a turbo .. crack in the inlet manifold ... and a myriad of other possible 'expensive' problems. Not very reassuring if you spend most of you time, as I do, in the Australian outback. I service/repair my own vehicles (except for anything major) and even considered buying a Toyota Landcruiser before the D4 at one stage, but turned away from this because they have just as many issues and are also expensive to repair. The LC also has nowhere near the 'driveability' of a Discovery! Another thing I don't like about any of these later vehicles is .. I prefer a live axle to the independent suspension any day of the week.
The old tractors were great, you will appreciate the LR4 more as time goes on depending on its reliability. I have found many Discoveries have not been looked after properly and this is a major factor with future failures. Reliability aside the LR4 is the best off this class. Great show.
Ye this was kind of taking over from the defender as a work vehicle and all that which is probably one reason why the new defender is similar to the disco 4 in many ways.
Also had a freelander and then bought a discovery 3 , difference in ride and comfort was like night and day , had landies some 30 x years and must say the D3 is my favourite so far, they do need more looking after but still bring a smile to me every time I drive it
@@garystuart226 I may one day upgrade from the Freelander but enjoying it for the time being. Sometimes the ride is comfy (It has BFG's on it which may help?), other times it can be a bit harsh.
@@The-Observer , hi, just wait until u drive a D3 and how different the suspension system is, ur be amazed how truly the ride comfort is on the D3 in comparison, seems to just smooth any bumps out , lol, maybe the weight of the disco flattens anything is goes over, lmao , see if u can test drive one and see what u think , must say replacing the rear upper wishbones are a right @&@*#*#* hell of a job and admit do need more looking after but after you’ve driven one down a motorway they just eat the miles up , hope that helps a little bit plus also check out the discovery 3 forum and landyzone as plenty there to also give u an insight
Great video. We also have a guy in our video who collects Porsches. When girls ask to see his collection, they get a surprise when he offers to take them for a spin... They're superbly built and were technologically way ahead of their time. I think my Dad who worked on Ford tractors said that for many years, like Lamborghini, the Porsches went down the same production lines at the 356!
Another excellent production - well done Vera & Christian. Encourage you to keep up the good work on the channel. The variety of content repairs, travels , LR time & humour really make the channel.
Great sense of humour Christian. Best laugh I've had all day. Love the one about the "bings and bongs" and the anxiety that it arouses. So funny but very informative. Thanks. Pete UK.
I had the very same silver LR3 and sold it one year ago to buy the very same color LR4 you have now! Love your channel! My grandfather came here to Kansas from Germany, so listening to you often reminds me of him. Love those Rovers - when they are running!
I absolutely love these videos ! They are my kind of funny. Grumpy old man syndrome focussed on something positive, rather than shouting at the TV at politics ! Please keep it up, you make me sane :)
Great video as usual, Christian and Vera. "Watch my rims." "This was a close one", you could certainly trust Vera much more with her outstanding driving skills. Btw. I love my heated seats a lot, and I say that from Australia. An absolute must for our winters as well.
That was a beautiful collection of Porsche tractors. I especially liked the side seats on the fenders to take the family to market. Very nice Unimog, too.
I was actually searching for this info just last week and couldn't find much on youtube. I Currently own a LR2 (Freelander 2). Been watching your channel for a while. Thanks and Cheers from Montreal!
Hi Robert here in NZ since 1974 an ex Brit with 75 on the clock. Just love watching your vids and I find myself laughing out loud thank you very much!. As an old mechanic I found that people often tried to wind me up by telling me how awful most British cars were compared to vehicles made in other country’s asking why that was. The answer was obviously that those vehicles were made by British workers who very thoughtfully gave me a living for my whole life as I climbed into my TOYOTA with their cash in my pocket smiled and waved .....CHEERIO 😂😂😂😂😂
Had both - 2006 D3 4.4L V8 and then 2010 D4 5.0L V8. D4 was waaaayyy better (at least for me) - they sorted out most of the "flaws" D3 had - sluggish engine, tranny hesitation, shifting, electronics, brakes and totally refined interior with better controls, nicer look and materials. More refined seats. Fewer problems compared to my D3. D4 was the best vehicle LR made in the past 20 years, imo. I miss my Black Ed D4. And I am totally unbiased, LOL. BTW - I scrub all my used cars I got just like you did - even the "detailed" ones. Great choice, enjoy it! Congrats on your purchase.
Christian, you clearly have a wealth of industry knowledge, really enjoy hearing your observations. I own a D3, but have driven the D4, and you can clearly feel the engine power difference. Agree, the cost of maintaining D4 may be a little steeper. With modern smart phones, the lesser D3 in car technology is not really an issue.
Looking forward to see what you do to your D4. I brought a 2015 MY D4 last year to replace my 18 year old D2 My buying criteria was I wanted a low mileage (50,000 miles) one owner, full service history ( these are complex vehicles and I think a lot of reliability problems come from a lack of maintenance). I tow with mine so the engine was important (I could buy a new pick up with 3500kg towing capacity for not much more but all the new vehicles seem to only have a 1.9 - 2.0 litre engine) I think that towing the SDV6 will be less stressed. Looking at the values of D3s I don't think I will lose a lot per year in value off the D4 and I think it will hold its value better than the D5 as I don't know anyone who likes the look of the D5. I have spent quite a bit on modifications as mine has to work, these are discrete winch, safety devices roof rack. Pro speed light bar. Rock and tree sliders (wanted side steps and this was easier) tow bar, Loadlugga shelf in the roof, xanadoo boot basket shelf, safari snorkel with cyclone filter. EBC green stuff discs and pads. General grabber AT3 tyres. I've got to say so far it is a brilliant vehicle. If you want any help or advice please ask, although you seem more than capable. Good luck and have fun.
Great video guys! I actually put off watching this one worried that it would make me want to sell our Discovery 3, but now I'm even happier to keep it :). One extra thing - because the Discovery 3/4 is a great car for rough conditions and off-roading, we're happier with our 3 because it doesn't matter so much if it gets damaged. A little scratch on a door from a branch or a scuff inside from carrying something doesn't really bother us, but if we spend 2-3x as much on a D4, it definitely would! It means we can use the car rather than treat it like a baby.
That is also the benefit of our D4. It didn't cost an arm and a leg and has already scratches on it. So the most harm has already been done. I added at least one scratch to it during that tour 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
Thanks very much for this and the detailed analysis. I have just agreed a price to buy a Discovery 3 rather than a 4 and your video makes me feel much more confident about my decision.... Thank you!
Hello Vera and Cris, congratulations on the acquisition of the D4 and the minimal differences between ub D3 and D4, following them faithful, I really like your comments and learned your repairs, solutions that you could do yourself (depends on the tool at hand). I live in Mexico City and my LAND ROVER is LR3 HSE (here it is named) is 2006 but gasoline, I have personally fixed my LR3 taking many examples of yours as a hobby and my beloved truck, I hope they continue with more updates of D3 and D4. Greetings.
I have an LR3 (2007) and I have put money into upgrading and repairs that the PO did not keep up that to sell it to get an LR4 would be a huge financial mistake. It is modified for offroading and is now in very good condition. I have it repaired and checked periodically as items wear or the mechanic indicates needed items. A very enjoyable vehicle.
Corris Grey is named after the shade of slate from Corris in Wales, it's a particular colour unlike Llanberis or Ffestiniog slate. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braichgoch_slate_mine
@@Vera_and_Christian Corris is definitely a cool place, it became home to an alternative society in the 60's who built eco homes and it's been the home of 'The Centre for Alternative Technology' since the 70's. The mines in the area are a labyrinth, it's definitely a part of Wales that time forgot. Also very close to ''Machynlleth was the seat of Owain Glyndŵr's Welsh Parliament in 1404,[4] and as such claims to be the "ancient capital of Wales". However, it has never held any official recognition as a capital. It applied for city status in 2000 and 2002, but was unsuccessful. It is twinned with Belleville, Michigan.'' If you ever feel brave enough to do a real off road trail there is a famous one, Strata Florida. You may need to search some videos on here Stay safe.
I will keep my Discovery 2. Even though it has problems, it's simpler, so less to fail when I'm out in the desert. I just discovered your channel, thanks for the videos. I miss Germany, haven't been there since 1980, and I would love to go back. Please make more videos on the road.
I would have taken a Discovery 2 any minute, but because of emission regulations here in our area, you just can't have a Disco 2 as a daily driver unfortunately. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Congratulations! I just bought a 2013.one owner, southern car here in the U.S. and 74K original miles. A real gem. This was the last year they made the V8. I had to have a V8! Silver with tan leather. HSE package.
Amazing! Finished at last, a very well done to you both 😉. I'll bet that you'll both sleep better now as well. That engine absolutely purrs, it sounds very good indeed 👍 Fabian is truly lucky to have such good friends as you, and now he has the best sounding L3 and also he knows that the job has been done properly. It has been awesome watching every episode as you tirelessly rebuilt it, checking everything at least twice. Vera also played her part very well, and the two of you are very lucky to have each other. Have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year.
You are correct on facelift and replacement models dropping quality, as a family we have had lots of BMW 5 series, e12 from the 70's was better trimmed than the e28, e28 was miles better built than the e34 , similar story with Mercedes. Too many accountants running car company's. I do like the disco 3 and 4, the 3 here in the UK tends to be very cheap, I think they are both so much nicer than the disco 5, my friend has bought a 5 and it's so small inside. Keep up the great vids 👍
Good initial review and comparison to the D3. I recently had my D3 written off due to a car accident (not my fault) and i was looking at getting a D4 as “an upgrade” i took a HSE for a test drive and it was “better” but i really needed to take it on a long run to see, but the reliability issues i thought should have been corrected from the experiences of the D3 into the D4 don’t appear to have happened which is sad really…but I still can’t get over how much i like the Discovery 3/4 and that is why i appreciate your channel because it prepares me for what i may expect to have happen…and how to fix it!
Great video guys, GREAT VIDEO. I had Discovery 3, but due to low emission zones i had to sell it, for the year and a half that was with me i havent had any issues with it, it was one of the best car i have ever owned. Keep going with these informative videos. Subscribed.
One again a great video thanks. Really great information packed in your video. Every time I watch one of your videos It just makes me wanna go work on my Disco. All the best from Iceland
I agree about the stop/start button. Keyless entry is also a nuisance. I had just collected my Disco 4 from the dealers and stopped off at a supermarket on the way home. I thought it was an opportunity to test the central locking. I locked the car on the fob button then walked around the car and none of the doors were secure. Took me a day to work that one out!
Vera you are such a patient woman! I think Corries is derived from Greek meaning bold and confident although there seems to be a lot of other suggested meanings. Well I suppose now you've made every conceivable modification to the Disco 3, except a jacuzzi, we will be able to enjoy Vera's car being brought up to your level of excellence.
Simply the best and most useful comparison I have seen on Discovery/lr 3/4. No dipstick and the electronic oil level monitoring can be temperamental... lovely. For North American viewers.. similar situation in that lr3 4.4 v8 very reliable and long lived vs the more powerful but problematic 5.0 in the lr4. The 5.0 has timing chain problems. I think later year lr3 probably the best of the air sprung vehicles. The Porsche/MB tractor museum was nice addition/ending to the video. I love unimog/pinz/gwagens.
I love my Discovery 4. Bought it at 5 years old with 13k miles on it. Fantastic family car and great off road too. My first LR so I can't comment on the LR3.
Personally I think that a Discovery 4 is worth the extra money. But then again it depends on the budget that you have, if you can't afford a discovery 4 but can afford a discovery 3 then I think it's would be worth getting it. It really depends on what you want the car for aswell, if it's purley off roading the a discovery 3 may be a better option but a discovery 4 would be a better option for me, I woud get a HSE Luxury just because I like the features and you have the option of using it for more things, it is also slightly more refined in my opinion but it is a Land Rover so only slightly 😂.
It does not matter what vehicle you buy you get problems. We have owned Toyota’s, Jeep’s (🤬), Mitsubishi, etc 4x4’s and they all have issues and give headaches. Thanks for all the info guys
Welcome to Romania, there is a nice and active LR3 + 4 community there. I would be happy to show you around. There are beautiful mountains with perhaps more bears than tourists...
@@Vera_and_Christian Super. A big part of Transylvania has a strong Saxon's influence. I am sure you and Christian will like it here, there is some good video content to make here for your channel. And in Maramures where I live, there are amazing places for Outlanding. Just beware of the bears...
This is so good, I was in a Landrover dealer last year looking at upgrade for my D3, another customer asked me if they are reliable because he read on internet there are lots of faults, I asked him if he did a search for 'faults with landrover'? Yes he said... And what did you expect? Try faults with jeep, or Toyota?
“Or half a person in some countries” That was hilarious! I also have managed to restrain from any Toyota preaching on this channel even though I’m in love with my Land Cruiser. I love the Land Rovers and G-wagons too...they’re all great in their own respect.
As usual a brilliant video! We appreciate the German humour and we promise not to take you too seriously! The comment on the handbook was interesting, the reason that possibly the off road section has been removed is that all UK buyers get a free off road driving course! Maybe not in other countries ? Out of interest, the two worst and most unreliable vehicles, that, in nearly 50 years of driving, I have owned, have been a Mercedes and a Toyota ! Both companies had to refund my purchase money! Apart from that I agree that some Disco 3 to 4 were a retrograde step, more likely due to the result of marketing research carried out on the uses that owners put their cars to!
I had considered buying a Disco 3, but due to increasing amount of cities across Europe implementing Low Emissions Zones, it really doesn't seem a viable option in the longer run. I have switched to searching for a D4 now with a Euro6 emissions rating. As you said trying to find one without crazy milage at a reasonable price is tricky. However I think it will be worth it in the longer run. I'm not sure there are too many other vehicles on the market that are as versatile as the Discovery. Looking forward to the videos on your D4.
I'm on my 2nd D4 and like the first... Can't find a better vehicle... The one I have atm (an XXV) has gone up by £5000 over last year or so. They are retaining their value over here in UK too.
Thank you for sharing your opinions. Even though you had only owned the LR4 for a week when you made the video, I am sure you researched the LR4 for a much longer period. The LR4 "Looks" nicer, but that is all trim, which you can buy from Land Rover or PowerfulUK or other locations. The Engine while more powerful is something an LR3 owner won't appreciate if they haven't driven an LR4. I was driving an 31 year old Nissan GQ Patrol, to me my LR3 TDV6 is absolutely powerful and very economical. Nothing anew Flash can't fix if I want more power!. I have no idea what the benefits of the 8 speed gearbox has over the six speed. I don't know if it has a lower first gear and a taller top gear, or if there are just more gears in between first gear and top gear of the LR3. Unless it has a ratio that is lower than the LR3 first gear, and the overall ratio is less than the LR3, then to me it is a pointless expense. The interior of the LR4 looks good also. however I don't think an LR4 is several thousand dollars better than an LR3. There might be a bit more "bling", but again, not worth the extra expense. Please don't misunderstand me, I would most definitely own one. But on straight out economics, they do not make sense over an LR3.. If I had more money to spend, and the right one came up, then yes, I would have bought an LR4 for no reason than I prefer to buy the newest I can afford, and they do look god, the engine does have soo much pore torque.
We were looking at a Land Rover D3 /D4 with low miles. Even in a D4 that is hard to come by these days, and an D3 almost impossible here in Germany. Most first time buyers looking for used Discoveries are going to test both, and at those this comparison is aimed at, since we get so many questions regarding this issue. It is not aimed at those already owning one, they already know what a great car they have 😃👍. But we needed a car for Christian now, the Challenger being gone and the Freelander slowly getting old (plus insurance and tax is not that much cheaper here in Germany than driving a Discovery ), it only made sense to get this particular D4 with the kilometers it had on. 🙋♀️ Vera
Congrats on the new buy! Great video! Vera glad you have a better off-road vehicle. Also when will there be husband and wife off-road challenge video!?! Keep up the great content and good vibes!
To get rid of the smell, use bicarb soda. Lot and lots of it. Sprinkle it everywhere with permeable fabric and carpet. Get handfuls of it and rub it into the roof liner. Leave it for a day or two, then vacuum it all back out. It will remove a vast majority of the smell. If the smell if really really bad, you may need to repeat the process a few times as the bicarb is like a sponge and can only absorb a limited quantity of odour. The more bicarb you use, the quicker it will get absorbed. Obviously the headliner is the hard part, as the bicarb will always want to adhere to the laws of gravity 😂. I had a bad smoker smell in mine. New cabin air filter and bicarb have really really helped. No more headaches while driving to get bread and milk.
I think that the LR3 would be the better option. At least with a 100k on the clock, the cam should be ok. Also, I am amazed how popular old tractors are here in the UK! Great entertaining video as always.
Klasse Video wie immer. Also ich bin immer noch froh das ich vom Discovery 3 zum Discovery 4 gewechselt habe. Hatte meinen 3er damals mit 85 000 Km gekauft und 5 Jahre bis 145 000 Km gefahren und hatte nichts als Ärger. Meinen 4er hab ich jetzt seid 2,5 Jahren und hab ihn 25 000 Km gefahren nun stehen 85 000 Km auf der Uhr und er läuft und läuft und läuft :-D ohne auch nur einmal zu zicken. Zudem genieße ich die Klasse Fahrleistungen was meiner Ansicht nach den größten Unterschied macht vor allem das 8 Gang Getriebe ist ein Gedicht. Da traut man sich ohne groß nachzudenken den Blinker links zu setzen. Mein Vater hat sich zu Beginn seiner Rente auch einen 4 er gekauft hat jetzt 150 000 Km gelaufen ohne auch nur einmal zu zicken. Meiner Meinung einer der besten 4x4 der Reisekomfort und Offroad-Fähigkeiten verbindet. Bin gespannt wie es bei euch weiter geht :-D Gruss Daniel
I think that this is a very informative and down to earth site. It is sensible and easy to understand in an everyday way. Do you work for, or have ever Land Rover or do you just carry out a lot of research before getting your hands dirty? Please ask Vera not to turn the steering wheel by putting her hand on the inside of the wheel . Not only do you move your arm and hand in an inefficient and awkward way, but it is potentially dangerous. Good luck with your site , i will stay glued to your content. From a Discovery 2 owner.
We sold out 300k km '09 SE D3 and bought a 54k km '16 SDV6 HSE D4 late last year. Aruba Gold. It is a major upgrade in specification. I just hope it is as trouble free as the D3 was! We do have 5 dogs so dog smells aren't an issue (although they mostly travel in our VW T3 Transporter)
Hi Christian / Vera. Greetings from a big fan of your channel in London/UK. For us here in the UK the Discovery 4 is definitely the vehicle to go for over the version 3. Unless you're just using the vehicle to pull horse boxes across the countryside. Prices for the later Discovery 4 (2015 onwards with AdBlue tank) have gone through the roof. This is because from October 2021 new emissions regulations come into effect in London making it very expensive to own and drive a non-Euro 6 engined vehicle in the city. This will be rolled out across other UK cities shortly after. Other cities across the EU already have strict regulations such as Barcelona, (you probably already aware of the situation in Germany). I note your Discovery 4 is an earlier one so I'm wondering if the Euro 5 / 6 issue was even a consideration in your purchase decision? You never mentioned it in your video. Love your videos and the knowledge you share with us Land Rover lovers.
Ours is a Euro 5, the Disco 3 is a Euro 4. We only have certain road closures we can live with, here in our area, for non Euro 6. It is expensive to drive, but we pay that price because we do enjoy driving those cars. We will probably be the last ones jumping on the E-car hype. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Yah am first , lol, looking forward to this to see what the differences are , congrats on the new purchase , so will u be drawing straws of who gets which one, lol , hope ur keeping safe and well and thks again for the extremely informative videos 👍👍
You are German people with a sense of humour, something does not add up. ;) No but seriously, I really enjoy your LR videos! I ordered a new Defender PHEV late January and now the car is waiting to be shipped to Finland from Slovakia.
Congratulations on your Discovery 4, looking forward to your videos on this great motor, another reason in UK to buy one 2014-2017 is the Tax every year is 273 euros with older ones are 656 each year. 😉
The Euro 6 LR4 (AdBlue/DPF - 2015-17) is £330/€388 per year road tax (VED). If entering London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) from 25th October 2021 you will be charged £12.50 (€14.70) per day if you have the older Euro 5 LR4. This has meant the value and asking price of the later LR4's has gone through the roof.
ahhh! if only you posted this a day earlier! :) i bought D3 anyway but that'd be yet again good reason to stick with a 3 and make it so much lighter on my heart ;-) thanks anyway! you're one of reasons I went for a disco!
congratulations to both of you! I wish they would have brought the Diesel version to the US but gasoline is still affordable over here. I love my LR3 4,4 and just dropped it of at the shop to have the transmission overhauled. Was thinking of buying a BMW X5 35d but there is just something about the LR. Never had any repairs in the past two years and the truck has 190k mi on it now. Best to you guys
Would be awesome if a dipstick could be adapted to fit the D4 , think there would be a lot of people interested if that could be done , plus did u ever see the full engine engineering report a guy had done on his when the shells spun, if not would u like me to send it to u , just watching the rest 👍
Christian, thanks a lot to share your experiences with this car, that's have good stuff and issues. A good discussion is a galvanic corrossion that occurs with differents material, a problem that LR Discovery have some due difference between steel and aluminum. Best Regards.
I was looking to buy a Discovery 3 or 4 and came across your videos, I think the dipstick issue may have been the deciding factor and I'm going to concentrate on a late Disco 3 model. Thank you for being so helpful, and entertaining. 😀
Great video, I was looking for a LR3 to replace my RR P38, but ended up with a 2006 RR L322, with heated steering wheel, seats front and rear, which was the deal maker for my family. The LR 3 and 4 have more off road accessories than the L322 which has almost none. Over here in Canada the Discovery name is reserved for some LR 2 and their newer vehicle that looks a bit like the Mercedes GL with the bloated rear. I liked the LR4 but they were outside of my budget and over here they have the petrol engines. The one thing I really dislike is the electronic parking brake on the LR 3 and 4. As bad of an idea as the electronic dipstick.
Congrats on the new D4! Just a small note on USB/iPod connectivity, I put my iPhone in a non-iPod USB socket and it actually gets recognized properly and the sound quality is much better than via Bluetooth. I chose D4 over D3 simply because of the car's age.
Great comments about the manual, couldn’t agree with you more. Sadly JLR don’t seem to supply written manuals for their new cars and direct you to an app which is terribly light on detail and reliant on you having a charged and working smart phone….
I bought the last of D4's with the 2.7L motor in 2010 with sat nav and 7 seats. 300,000KM later and still the best vehicle I have ever owned. Gearbox needed a rebuild @ 180,000KM but that was because of that stupid sealed for life box and the stealer saying it didnt need servicing. Got my first ever fault codes being POOOE-22 and P2290-00 last week which were fixed with a new fuel filter. Fingeres crossed the dreaded HPFP doesnt rear it's head
From the headlights yours is a pre 14 model year 21000 Euro is lots based on UK pricing, my friend in Bremen spent 16000 euros on his with 120km on the clock his is 2012 I thought he was mad ! I think he has the older gearbox, my Disco 3 is going for a gearbox fix on Wednesday if its under 1000 pounds to fix we are keeping it, if over that we will be on the hunt for a 4, might push the boat out and go for a 2016 for the Euro6 (I have 2 daughters living inside the north and south circular and we visit lots ). I had a 5 for 2 months not really same sort of thing. Must admit prices are going up in UK on 3 and 4 not really sure why. Good luck with your new baby can't wait for the videos, hoping to get to DE and AUS and CH in mine before the end of summer.
Prices in Germany are through the roof compared to the UK. I have been following your market, also on facebook. And we would import one any minute, but I am not going to drive a right hand vehicle here. So we are stuck with those prices. And due to Corona and the Vanlife hype, everyone is looking for a travel car. We'll be in the Alps sometime in August. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
There may be some LHD markets where they are cheaper ?? But it's a lot of hassle and difficult to import with paperwork etc noticed quite a few land rover disco and range rover coming to UK from Japan. Would love a 5.0 litre V8 Discovery 4 , I know it sounds crazy but there is always the option to run on LPG quite a few in Poland and seems to work well.
Great topic. I've had my LR3 for 3 years and will probably never sell it, but I have thought of buying a second one or an LR4. We can't get diesel versions in the U.S., but I like the fact that the 2013-2015 models had the supercharged V6 that was later used in the Discovery 5 (which my wife owns, great vehicle to drive, ugly to look at).
Congrats guys for the "new entry"... D4 is more capable offroad due to faster communication system inside Terrain Response stuff and better low end torque...Tip: monitor closely the injectors balancing, it seems to be the root cause of crankshaft failures! A good injector diesel cleaner every 4/5 tank refills is recommended. Enjoy the new toy and use Arbre Magique :-)))
I would of thought overfilling with oil or oil dilution or older failing oil pump not supplying enough pressure . Good to know will research that further . To broaden the knowledge of lthese engines . 👍
Great comparison. Also glad you were not affected by the floods. Love your channel! The D3 dash board can develop cracks and the head liner trim material can delaminate. This could be more prominent in warmer climates. I noted your D3 is not affected by this.
Tolles Auto, das sie gekauft haben. Ich höre hier in NL, dass die discovery 4 viel besser ist als die 3. Ich habe nicht erwartet, dass all die Dinge, die Sie erwähnen, und sicherlich nicht, dass die Disco 3 besser ist. Jetzt bleibe ich auf jeden Fall bei meiner Disco 3. Aber der 4.4 V8. Ich werde nie einen Diesel kaufen.
I personally think that the last go anywhere Land Rover was the discovery 2 any thing else or newer in the brand is very much a Chelsea tractor But as you say the cost of newer discovery’s is mad unless you have your skills to fix then Another great video Christian
I have disco 3 2006 almost 200.000 k it was a long history services on it but now the car is stronger again and very happy to drive it . Disco 4 is beautiful but in my opinion is the same disco 3 with a wacht in the middle of the dash and one camera back nothing more than this for a lot of money on it? no way , if the prices with disco 4 will go down I can think about it . Cheers from Norway .
Love ur upgrade disco 3 to 4, I did, from 3 2005 to 4 2014 and it was so nice. Also like the Porches tractors u shoved. My dad was a Porche tractor dealer in Denmark when I was a boy. He was the first to join two 4 cylinder into one. None of them had front wheels. Steering visa hydraulic rams. It's now in a tractor museum in Denmark. I'm living in W Australia and love all the 4x4 we do. Thanks for ur disco clips. 😃
Very good point on Discovery 3 second hand value. I bought my Discovery 3 for €6000 in Ireland. I put about €7000 into it in terms of transmission rebuild, full servicings, commercial conversion (significantly lower road tax), luxury seat cover upgrade etc. Now it seems to be going well. Interesting, I've noticed a lot more Discovery 3's on the road in Ireland in comparison to the UK. I think this maybe because of the Celtic Tiger 2005-2008. Mine was imported from the UK. (Perhaps useless information)
Swapped D3 to D4 year ago. Love the smooth SDV6 engine, the torque at low revs and the 8 speed. Mis the gear lever although the dail sets gears way faster. What I really mis on a premium traveling vehicle is storage for small stuff in the front. There are still no drawers under the seats. But in the middle console there isn't even space for two phones! Somehow we could stashe more things in the D3. And why do these cars always have sweaty leather upholstery? But really happy with it anyways! Nicely reviewed.
I think that's my biggest gripe in the D4 .. the lack of space to actually put anything. Nowhere to put your phone, the door pockets are too shallow and things just fall out, no overhead pockets like in the D2 and virtually nowhere to mount anything ... like a UHF radio!!
Congrats on your new purchase! Great video, and I agree with all of your points. I would also ad that if offroad is important to you, the 17 inch minimum rim on the D3 is much better than the minim 19 on the D4. Just today, we also replaced our Freelander with a Dacia Duster (long story), but we'll still be keeping the Freelande for the moment. It is not easy to part with a car after 12 years...
👍We'll get to all those points in the future, we just only had it for a week and Christian has long hours at work right now. 😃👍 There is only so much information you can put into one video otherwise it gets too long and people will not watch it till the end. And for the RUclips Algorithm, that is really, really bad. Remember that when you start your channel. I wish you good luck with it and looking forward to seeing your videos. Hope you do them in English. 😃🙋♀️ Vera
Only reason would be for horse power. Everything else is more complex and more likely to fail and cause expensive repairs. For sure. It is a nice car however. Really nice. Christian
Bought my Discovery 4 with 150kkm, did 100k in 3 years and still haven’t driven a better car :-) Greetings from a Lithuanian Land Rover fan!
Thank you for this. I'm considering one
I’ve had my disco 3 for 13 years now.
I bought it new (only a basic model, no whistles and bells).
I love it more everyday. I’ll never sell it.
Yes I’ve spend a lot of money on it but it’s worth every penny.
You guys are fantastic. Love you’re sense of humour. Love from 🇬🇧.
😃💪👍🙋♀️Vera
I just traded my 2006 Discovery 3 for a 2015 Discovery 4 both used as our second car. Having previously owned a Discovery 3 and two Discovery 4s from new, I knew what I was buying. However, I had forgotten the horrendous turbo lag in the D3, as well as the lack of reversing camera and not being able to link my phone to the car to play music except through the Aux input. I also like the fact that I can see when the auto-lights have turned on by an indication in the driver display, rather than having to put my hand up near the rear view mirror and take my eyes away from driving to see if that little light is on. The keyless entry is a boon when you have your hands full, and being able to double-lock the car at a door then open the tailgate, knowing that when you close it, it will re-lock the car and re-arm the security system with no further input is also a big help. However, there are a couple of things I do miss from the D3. The first is personal preference - I prefer the old grille, and don't like the newer 'family face' grille on the D4. I also think it's a shame that LR changed the bumpers and wheel arch extensions from grey hard plastic to body-coloured gloss finish. Getting a scratch on the corner of a bumper or on the wheel arch didn't use to matter. It's also taken away what I believed was an aesthetically pleasing contrast on light coloured cars, like silver or white. All in all, I don't regret trading my D3 for a D4.
land rover not land rover any more....see i had a d2 and im in a d3 ...and the latest the i would go is 06 to 2015...and thats for the lr2 lr3 lr4. my lr2 was classy as fuck. my lr3 needs some work but im looking to buy a rr in the future.are a newer model of the lr2
I have both LR3 and LR4 (SCV6) and I feel more confidant in LR3 even though it is 10 years older than the LR4.
Whats your thoughts on the supercharged petrol v6?
Funny you should say that.
I have both a Discovery 2 TD5 (2001) and an SDV6 HSE spec Discovery 4 (2013) and, although I love the D4, I have much greater confidence in the D2.
The D4 is a beautiful vehicle to drive and a very capable offroader ... however, I have in the back of my mind .. snapping a crankshaft .. blowing a turbo .. crack in the inlet manifold ... and a myriad of other possible 'expensive' problems. Not very reassuring if you spend most of you time, as I do, in the Australian outback.
I service/repair my own vehicles (except for anything major) and even considered buying a Toyota Landcruiser before the D4 at one stage, but turned away from this because they have just as many issues and are also expensive to repair. The LC also has nowhere near the 'driveability' of a Discovery!
Another thing I don't like about any of these later vehicles is .. I prefer a live axle to the independent suspension any day of the week.
The old tractors were great, you will appreciate the LR4 more as time goes on depending on its reliability. I have found many Discoveries have not been looked after properly and this is a major factor with future failures. Reliability aside the LR4 is the best off this class. Great show.
Ye this was kind of taking over from the defender as a work vehicle and all that which is probably one reason why the new defender is similar to the disco 4 in many ways.
Sorry to see the Freelander go. The more I watch your channel though I get tempted to buy a Discovery 3 or 4.
Also had a freelander and then bought a discovery 3 , difference in ride and comfort was like night and day , had landies some 30 x years and must say the D3 is my favourite so far, they do need more looking after but still bring a smile to me every time I drive it
@@garystuart226 I may one day upgrade from the Freelander but enjoying it for the time being. Sometimes the ride is comfy (It has BFG's on it which may help?), other times it can be a bit harsh.
@@The-Observer , hi, just wait until u drive a D3 and how different the suspension system is, ur be amazed how truly the ride comfort is on the D3 in comparison, seems to just smooth any bumps out , lol, maybe the weight of the disco flattens anything is goes over, lmao , see if u can test drive one and see what u think , must say replacing the rear upper wishbones are a right @&@*#*#* hell of a job and admit do need more looking after but after you’ve driven one down a motorway they just eat the miles up , hope that helps a little bit plus also check out the discovery 3 forum and landyzone as plenty there to also give u an insight
Don’t be tempted unless you have 30 years experience in the automotive industry like Cristian
I have them both. 2005 LR3 (215K miles), 2011 LR4 (132K Miles). Love them both!
Love how honest and spot on you are with everything Land Rover. Sadly the faults have beaten me and I’m selling mine.
Great video. We also have a guy in our video who collects Porsches. When girls ask to see his collection, they get a surprise when he offers to take them for a spin... They're superbly built and were technologically way ahead of their time. I think my Dad who worked on Ford tractors said that for many years, like Lamborghini, the Porsches went down the same production lines at the 356!
Another excellent production - well done Vera & Christian. Encourage you to keep up the good work on the channel.
The variety of content repairs, travels , LR time & humour really make the channel.
😊👍🙋♀️Vera
Great sense of humour Christian. Best laugh I've had all day. Love the one about the "bings and bongs" and the anxiety that it arouses. So funny but very informative. Thanks. Pete UK.
I had the very same silver LR3 and sold it one year ago to buy the very same color LR4 you have now! Love your channel! My grandfather came here to Kansas from Germany, so listening to you often reminds me of him. Love those Rovers - when they are running!
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Congratulations Christian & Vera for new member in your family. Looking forward to seeing your next project with this. Be safe & healthy.
I absolutely love these videos ! They are my kind of funny. Grumpy old man syndrome focussed on something positive, rather than shouting at the TV at politics ! Please keep it up, you make me sane :)
If you call Christian a grumpy old man, he will not be happy to read that. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Tell him it's genuinely meant as a term of endearment . Nothing got lost in translation ;) - he'll believe you !
Great show again. The Unimog was particularly impressive. Well wear with the D4. Luckily you are very capable for maintaining any vehicle.
Great video as usual, Christian and Vera. "Watch my rims." "This was a close one", you could certainly trust Vera much more with her outstanding driving skills. Btw. I love my heated seats a lot, and I say that from Australia. An absolute must for our winters as well.
Lovely location and good analysis of the D4 over the D3
Congratulations on your New D4
Just bought a Discovery 4 a couple of days ago and I absolutely love it
Above and beyond
Of course you do, it's the best. 😃👍🙋♀️Vera
That was a beautiful collection of Porsche tractors. I especially liked the side seats on the fenders to take the family to market. Very nice Unimog, too.
I was actually searching for this info just last week and couldn't find much on youtube. I Currently own a LR2 (Freelander 2). Been watching your channel for a while. Thanks and Cheers from Montreal!
Brilliant rundown of the two vehicles and so funny. Love watching your programmes. :)
Christian and Vera congratulations on your new investment,))) great video and interesting presentation,,😄🇬🇧
Hi Robert here in NZ since 1974 an ex Brit with 75 on the clock. Just love watching your vids and I find myself laughing out loud thank you very much!. As an old mechanic I found that people often tried to wind me up by telling me how awful most British cars were compared to vehicles made in other country’s asking why that was. The answer was obviously that those vehicles were made by British workers who very thoughtfully gave me a living for my whole life as I climbed into my TOYOTA with their cash in my pocket smiled and waved .....CHEERIO 😂😂😂😂😂
Had both - 2006 D3 4.4L V8 and then 2010 D4 5.0L V8. D4 was waaaayyy better (at least for me) - they sorted out most of the "flaws" D3 had - sluggish engine, tranny hesitation, shifting, electronics, brakes and totally refined interior with better controls, nicer look and materials. More refined seats. Fewer problems compared to my D3. D4 was the best vehicle LR made in the past 20 years, imo. I miss my Black Ed D4. And I am totally unbiased, LOL.
BTW - I scrub all my used cars I got just like you did - even the "detailed" ones.
Great choice, enjoy it! Congrats on your purchase.
Christian, you clearly have a wealth of industry knowledge, really enjoy hearing your observations. I own a D3, but have driven the D4, and you can clearly feel the engine power difference. Agree, the cost of maintaining D4 may be a little steeper. With modern smart phones, the lesser D3 in car technology is not really an issue.
Looking forward to see what you do to your D4.
I brought a 2015 MY D4 last year to replace my 18 year old D2
My buying criteria was I wanted a low mileage (50,000 miles) one owner, full service history ( these are complex vehicles and I think a lot of reliability problems come from a lack of maintenance).
I tow with mine so the engine was important (I could buy a new pick up with 3500kg towing capacity for not much more but all the new vehicles seem to only have a 1.9 - 2.0 litre engine) I think that towing the SDV6 will be less stressed.
Looking at the values of D3s I don't think I will lose a lot per year in value off the D4 and I think it will hold its value better than the D5 as I don't know anyone who likes the look of the D5.
I have spent quite a bit on modifications as mine has to work, these are discrete winch, safety devices roof rack. Pro speed light bar. Rock and tree sliders (wanted side steps and this was easier) tow bar, Loadlugga shelf in the roof, xanadoo boot basket shelf, safari snorkel with cyclone filter. EBC green stuff discs and pads. General grabber AT3 tyres.
I've got to say so far it is a brilliant vehicle.
If you want any help or advice please ask, although you seem more than capable.
Good luck and have fun.
Great video guys! I actually put off watching this one worried that it would make me want to sell our Discovery 3, but now I'm even happier to keep it :). One extra thing - because the Discovery 3/4 is a great car for rough conditions and off-roading, we're happier with our 3 because it doesn't matter so much if it gets damaged. A little scratch on a door from a branch or a scuff inside from carrying something doesn't really bother us, but if we spend 2-3x as much on a D4, it definitely would! It means we can use the car rather than treat it like a baby.
That is also the benefit of our D4. It didn't cost an arm and a leg and has already scratches on it. So the most harm has already been done. I added at least one scratch to it during that tour 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian just battle scars! 😁
Thanks very much for this and the detailed analysis. I have just agreed a price to buy a Discovery 3 rather than a 4 and your video makes me feel much more confident about my decision.... Thank you!
Cool😃👍🙋♀️Vera
Hello Vera and Cris, congratulations on the acquisition of the D4 and the minimal differences between ub D3 and D4, following them faithful, I really like your comments and learned your repairs, solutions that you could do yourself (depends on the tool at hand). I live in Mexico City and my LAND ROVER is LR3 HSE (here it is named) is 2006 but gasoline, I have personally fixed my LR3 taking many examples of yours as a hobby and my beloved truck, I hope they continue with more updates of D3 and D4.
Greetings.
That is so great 💪👍😃🙋♀️ Vera
I have an LR3 (2007) and I have put money into upgrading and repairs that the PO did not keep up that to sell it to get an LR4 would be a huge financial mistake. It is modified for offroading and is now in very good condition. I have it repaired and checked periodically as items wear or the mechanic indicates needed items. A very enjoyable vehicle.
Love your videos, and your sense of humour too. Great content!!
Corris Grey is named after the shade of slate from Corris in Wales, it's a particular colour unlike Llanberis or Ffestiniog slate. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braichgoch_slate_mine
Thank you for this information. That proves again that Land Rovers just have to coolest names for their colors. 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Corris is definitely a cool place, it became home to an alternative society in the 60's who built eco homes and it's been the home of 'The Centre for Alternative Technology' since the 70's.
The mines in the area are a labyrinth, it's definitely a part of Wales that time forgot. Also very close to ''Machynlleth was the seat of Owain Glyndŵr's Welsh Parliament in 1404,[4] and as such claims to be the "ancient capital of Wales". However, it has never held any official recognition as a capital. It applied for city status in 2000 and 2002, but was unsuccessful. It is twinned with Belleville, Michigan.''
If you ever feel brave enough to do a real off road trail there is a famous one, Strata Florida. You may need to search some videos on here
Stay safe.
@@wammdriver 😃👍 Now we have to go there for sure. we have been to Belleville, Michigan many times. Thanks again 🙋♀️Vera
I will keep my Discovery 2. Even though it has problems, it's simpler, so less to fail when I'm out in the desert. I just discovered your channel, thanks for the videos. I miss Germany, haven't been there since 1980, and I would love to go back. Please make more videos on the road.
I would have taken a Discovery 2 any minute, but because of emission regulations here in our area, you just can't have a Disco 2 as a daily driver unfortunately. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Congratulations! I just bought a 2013.one owner, southern car here in the U.S. and 74K original miles. A real gem. This was the last year they made the V8. I had to have a V8! Silver with tan leather. HSE package.
😃👍 Christian would take a V8 any day, but it's just too expensive here in Germany.🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I'm sorry about that. It runs very smoothly.
Amazing! Finished at last, a very well done to you both 😉. I'll bet that you'll both sleep better now as well. That engine absolutely purrs, it sounds very good indeed 👍 Fabian is truly lucky to have such good friends as you, and now he has the best sounding L3 and also he knows that the job has been done properly. It has been awesome watching every episode as you tirelessly rebuilt it, checking everything at least twice. Vera also played her part very well, and the two of you are very lucky to have each other. Have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas to you too 😃🎄🙋♀️Vera
You are correct on facelift and replacement models dropping quality, as a family we have had lots of BMW 5 series, e12 from the 70's was better trimmed than the e28, e28 was miles better built than the e34 , similar story with Mercedes. Too many accountants running car company's.
I do like the disco 3 and 4, the 3 here in the UK tends to be very cheap, I think they are both so much nicer than the disco 5, my friend has bought a 5 and it's so small inside. Keep up the great vids 👍
Good initial review and comparison to the D3. I recently had my D3 written off due to a car accident (not my fault) and i was looking at getting a D4 as “an upgrade” i took a HSE for a test drive and it was “better” but i really needed to take it on a long run to see, but the reliability issues i thought should have been corrected from the experiences of the D3 into the D4 don’t appear to have happened which is sad really…but I still can’t get over how much i like the Discovery 3/4 and that is why i appreciate your channel because it prepares me for what i may expect to have happen…and how to fix it!
😃👍 We love both our cars, they are just the greatest. Hope you find a good one. 🙋♀️ Vera
Great video guys, GREAT VIDEO. I had Discovery 3, but due to low emission zones i had to sell it, for the year and a half that was with me i havent had any issues with it, it was one of the best car i have ever owned. Keep going with these informative videos. Subscribed.
Oh that is sad. We are waiting for German laws to prohibit driving our Disocoverys. That will be a sad day. 👍🙋♀️Vera
It is very true everything you said about price depreciation, bought a £96,000 Discoo 5 and in 3 years it's down to £47,000 just crazy
One again a great video thanks. Really great information packed in your video. Every time I watch one of your videos It just makes me wanna go work on my Disco.
All the best from Iceland
Thank you for you making my husband laugh at your wonderful dry humour. 😍
I agree about the stop/start button. Keyless entry is also a nuisance. I had just collected my Disco 4 from the dealers and stopped off at a supermarket on the way home. I thought it was an opportunity to test the central locking. I locked the car on the fob button then walked around the car and none of the doors were secure. Took me a day to work that one out!
Vera you are such a patient woman! I think Corries is derived from Greek meaning bold and confident although there seems to be a lot of other suggested meanings. Well I suppose now you've made every conceivable modification to the Disco 3, except a jacuzzi, we will be able to enjoy Vera's car being brought up to your level of excellence.
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Simply the best and most useful comparison I have seen on Discovery/lr 3/4. No dipstick and the electronic oil level monitoring can be temperamental... lovely. For North American viewers.. similar situation in that lr3 4.4 v8 very reliable and long lived vs the more powerful but problematic 5.0 in the lr4. The 5.0 has timing chain problems. I think later year lr3 probably the best of the air sprung vehicles. The Porsche/MB tractor museum was nice addition/ending to the video. I love unimog/pinz/gwagens.
I love my Discovery 4. Bought it at 5 years old with 13k miles on it. Fantastic family car and great off road too. My first LR so I can't comment on the LR3.
Personally I think that a Discovery 4 is worth the extra money. But then again it depends on the budget that you have, if you can't afford a discovery 4 but can afford a discovery 3 then I think it's would be worth getting it. It really depends on what you want the car for aswell, if it's purley off roading the a discovery 3 may be a better option but a discovery 4 would be a better option for me, I woud get a HSE Luxury just because I like the features and you have the option of using it for more things, it is also slightly more refined in my opinion but it is a Land Rover so only slightly 😂.
It does not matter what vehicle you buy you get problems. We have owned Toyota’s, Jeep’s (🤬), Mitsubishi, etc 4x4’s and they all have issues and give headaches. Thanks for all the info guys
Absolutely right. 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
thank you for your great and pertinent analyze :)
You really made me laugh at 19’19”. So true!!!
Welcome to Romania, there is a nice and active LR3 + 4 community there. I would be happy to show you around. There are beautiful mountains with perhaps more bears than tourists...
👍😃 We will be coming to Romania for sure at some point🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Super. A big part of Transylvania has a strong Saxon's influence. I am sure you and Christian will like it here, there is some good video content to make here for your channel. And in Maramures where I live, there are amazing places for Outlanding. Just beware of the bears...
A mega informative video. You both sure did a lot of research. Time to buy a Porsche.....tractor. A fantastic collection. :-)
This is so good, I was in a Landrover dealer last year looking at upgrade for my D3, another customer asked me if they are reliable because he read on internet there are lots of faults, I asked him if he did a search for 'faults with landrover'? Yes he said... And what did you expect? Try faults with jeep, or Toyota?
😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
“Or half a person in some countries” That was hilarious!
I also have managed to restrain from any Toyota preaching on this channel even though I’m in love with my Land Cruiser. I love the Land Rovers and G-wagons too...they’re all great in their own respect.
We value Toyota fans a lot. Thanks for watching LR content! Christian
Another very informative and well researched video. I wish you many happy and safe kilometres travelling in your LR4👍
Very good video really interesting as well
Lovely shots of German roads
Thank you
As usual a brilliant video! We appreciate the German humour and we promise not to take you too seriously! The comment on the handbook was interesting, the reason that possibly the off road section has been removed is that all UK buyers get a free off road driving course! Maybe not in other countries ? Out of interest, the two worst and most unreliable vehicles, that, in nearly 50 years of driving, I have owned, have been a Mercedes and a Toyota ! Both companies had to refund my purchase money!
Apart from that I agree that some Disco 3 to 4 were a retrograde step, more likely due to the result of marketing research carried out on the uses that owners put their cars to!
I had considered buying a Disco 3, but due to increasing amount of cities across Europe implementing Low Emissions Zones, it really doesn't seem a viable option in the longer run. I have switched to searching for a D4 now with a Euro6 emissions rating. As you said trying to find one without crazy milage at a reasonable price is tricky. However I think it will be worth it in the longer run. I'm not sure there are too many other vehicles on the market that are as versatile as the Discovery. Looking forward to the videos on your D4.
I'm on my 2nd D4 and like the first... Can't find a better vehicle... The one I have atm (an XXV) has gone up by £5000 over last year or so. They are retaining their value over here in UK too.
Thank you for sharing your opinions. Even though you had only owned the LR4 for a week when you made the video, I am sure you researched the LR4 for a much longer period. The LR4 "Looks" nicer, but that is all trim, which you can buy from Land Rover or PowerfulUK or other locations. The Engine while more powerful is something an LR3 owner won't appreciate if they haven't driven an LR4. I was driving an 31 year old Nissan GQ Patrol, to me my LR3 TDV6 is absolutely powerful and very economical. Nothing anew Flash can't fix if I want more power!.
I have no idea what the benefits of the 8 speed gearbox has over the six speed. I don't know if it has a lower first gear and a taller top gear, or if there are just more gears in between first gear and top gear of the LR3. Unless it has a ratio that is lower than the LR3 first gear, and the overall ratio is less than the LR3, then to me it is a pointless expense.
The interior of the LR4 looks good also. however I don't think an LR4 is several thousand dollars better than an LR3. There might be a bit more "bling", but again, not worth the extra expense.
Please don't misunderstand me, I would most definitely own one. But on straight out economics, they do not make sense over an LR3.. If I had more money to spend, and the right one came up, then yes, I would have bought an LR4 for no reason than I prefer to buy the newest I can afford, and they do look god, the engine does have soo much pore torque.
We were looking at a Land Rover D3 /D4 with low miles. Even in a D4 that is hard to come by these days, and an D3 almost impossible here in Germany. Most first time buyers looking for used Discoveries are going to test both, and at those this comparison is aimed at, since we get so many questions regarding this issue. It is not aimed at those already owning one, they already know what a great car they have 😃👍. But we needed a car for Christian now, the Challenger being gone and the Freelander slowly getting old (plus insurance and tax is not that much cheaper here in Germany than driving a Discovery ), it only made sense to get this particular D4 with the kilometers it had on. 🙋♀️ Vera
Congrats on the new buy! Great video! Vera glad you have a better off-road vehicle. Also when will there be husband and wife off-road challenge video!?! Keep up the great content and good vibes!
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To get rid of the smell, use bicarb soda. Lot and lots of it. Sprinkle it everywhere with permeable fabric and carpet. Get handfuls of it and rub it into the roof liner. Leave it for a day or two, then vacuum it all back out. It will remove a vast majority of the smell. If the smell if really really bad, you may need to repeat the process a few times as the bicarb is like a sponge and can only absorb a limited quantity of odour. The more bicarb you use, the quicker it will get absorbed. Obviously the headliner is the hard part, as the bicarb will always want to adhere to the laws of gravity 😂.
I had a bad smoker smell in mine. New cabin air filter and bicarb have really really helped. No more headaches while driving to get bread and milk.
Also, love your video’s. Keep them coming!! 🤩
😃 Didn'T think about that one, thanks for the tip 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Those tractors are works of art.
I think that the LR3 would be the better option. At least with a 100k on the clock, the cam should be ok. Also, I am amazed how popular old tractors are here in the UK! Great entertaining video as always.
Klasse Video wie immer. Also ich bin immer noch froh das ich vom Discovery 3 zum Discovery 4 gewechselt habe. Hatte meinen 3er damals mit 85 000 Km gekauft und 5 Jahre bis 145 000 Km gefahren und hatte nichts als Ärger. Meinen 4er hab ich jetzt seid 2,5 Jahren und hab ihn 25 000 Km gefahren nun stehen 85 000 Km auf der Uhr und er läuft und läuft und läuft :-D ohne auch nur einmal zu zicken. Zudem genieße ich die Klasse Fahrleistungen was meiner Ansicht nach den größten Unterschied macht vor allem das 8 Gang Getriebe ist ein Gedicht. Da traut man sich ohne groß nachzudenken den Blinker links zu setzen.
Mein Vater hat sich zu Beginn seiner Rente auch einen 4 er gekauft hat jetzt 150 000 Km gelaufen ohne auch nur einmal zu zicken. Meiner Meinung einer der besten 4x4 der Reisekomfort und Offroad-Fähigkeiten verbindet.
Bin gespannt wie es bei euch weiter geht :-D
Gruss Daniel
I think that this is a very informative and down to earth site. It is sensible and easy to understand in an everyday way. Do you work for, or have ever Land Rover or do you just carry out a lot of research before getting your hands dirty? Please ask Vera not to turn the steering wheel by putting her hand on the inside of the wheel . Not only do you move your arm and hand in an inefficient and awkward way, but it is potentially dangerous. Good luck with your site , i will stay glued to your content. From a Discovery 2 owner.
Great video. I prefer my LR3. 👍🏻👍🏻
We sold out 300k km '09 SE D3 and bought a 54k km '16 SDV6 HSE D4 late last year. Aruba Gold. It is a major upgrade in specification. I just hope it is as trouble free as the D3 was! We do have 5 dogs so dog smells aren't an issue (although they mostly travel in our VW T3 Transporter)
Hi Christian / Vera. Greetings from a big fan of your channel in London/UK. For us here in the UK the Discovery 4 is definitely the vehicle to go for over the version 3. Unless you're just using the vehicle to pull horse boxes across the countryside. Prices for the later Discovery 4 (2015 onwards with AdBlue tank) have gone through the roof. This is because from October 2021 new emissions regulations come into effect in London making it very expensive to own and drive a non-Euro 6 engined vehicle in the city. This will be rolled out across other UK cities shortly after. Other cities across the EU already have strict regulations such as Barcelona, (you probably already aware of the situation in Germany). I note your Discovery 4 is an earlier one so I'm wondering if the Euro 5 / 6 issue was even a consideration in your purchase decision? You never mentioned it in your video. Love your videos and the knowledge you share with us Land Rover lovers.
Ours is a Euro 5, the Disco 3 is a Euro 4. We only have certain road closures we can live with, here in our area, for non Euro 6. It is expensive to drive, but we pay that price because we do enjoy driving those cars. We will probably be the last ones jumping on the E-car hype. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Yah am first , lol, looking forward to this to see what the differences are , congrats on the new purchase , so will u be drawing straws of who gets which one, lol , hope ur keeping safe and well and thks again for the extremely informative videos 👍👍
You are German people with a sense of humour, something does not add up. ;) No but seriously, I really enjoy your LR videos! I ordered a new Defender PHEV late January and now the car is waiting to be shipped to Finland from Slovakia.
😃👍 Enjoy your new Defender, that is so great. 🙋♀️ Vera
Congratulations on your Discovery 4, looking forward to your videos on this great motor, another reason in UK to buy one 2014-2017 is the Tax every year is 273 euros with older ones are 656 each year. 😉
Sorry, 373 euros.
The Euro 6 LR4 (AdBlue/DPF - 2015-17) is £330/€388 per year road tax (VED). If entering London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) from 25th October 2021 you will be charged £12.50 (€14.70) per day if you have the older Euro 5 LR4. This has meant the value and asking price of the later LR4's has gone through the roof.
ahhh! if only you posted this a day earlier! :) i bought D3 anyway but that'd be yet again good reason to stick with a 3 and make it so much lighter on my heart ;-)
thanks anyway! you're one of reasons I went for a disco!
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congratulations to both of you! I wish they would have brought the Diesel version to the US but gasoline is still affordable over here. I love my LR3 4,4 and just dropped it of at the shop to have the transmission overhauled. Was thinking of buying a BMW X5 35d but there is just something about the LR. Never had any repairs in the past two years and the truck has 190k mi on it now. Best to you guys
👍 That is so true. 🙋♀️Vera
Beautiful porche tractor.
Would be awesome if a dipstick could be adapted to fit the D4 , think there would be a lot of people interested if that could be done , plus did u ever see the full engine engineering report a guy had done on his when the shells spun, if not would u like me to send it to u , just watching the rest 👍
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Great video guys!
Hi. Christian is not only an excellent mechanic but also an expert in economics 😉 . Ahhh and I like Discovery 3 better. A hug from Portugal.
Christian, thanks a lot to share your experiences with this car, that's have good stuff and issues. A good discussion is a galvanic corrossion that occurs with differents material, a problem that LR Discovery have some due difference between steel and aluminum.
Best Regards.
I never knew Porsche made tractors...wow! I'd love to hear one start up and running.
I was looking to buy a Discovery 3 or 4 and came across your videos, I think the dipstick issue may have been the deciding factor and I'm going to concentrate on a late Disco 3 model. Thank you for being so helpful, and entertaining. 😀
That is a great choice, but make sure you take a OBDii diagnostic tool with you so you know what faults it has. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
I love u guys show 100% much love from jamaica 🇯🇲
Cool, have not have any commenting from Jamaica. 👍😃🙋♀️ Vera
Very interesting & enjoyable video thank you.
Great video, I was looking for a LR3 to replace my RR P38, but ended up with a 2006 RR L322, with heated steering wheel, seats front and rear, which was the deal maker for my family. The LR 3 and 4 have more off road accessories than the L322 which has almost none. Over here in Canada the Discovery name is reserved for some LR 2 and their newer vehicle that looks a bit like the Mercedes GL with the bloated rear. I liked the LR4 but they were outside of my budget and over here they have the petrol engines. The one thing I really dislike is the electronic parking brake on the LR 3 and 4. As bad of an idea as the electronic dipstick.
😅👍 We have a video about servicing the electronic parking brake, it's not that bad.🙋♀️ Vera
Thanks for the comparison. I wish our D3 had the arm rests like your D4.
Congrats on the new D4! Just a small note on USB/iPod connectivity, I put my iPhone in a non-iPod USB socket and it actually gets recognized properly and the sound quality is much better than via Bluetooth. I chose D4 over D3 simply because of the car's age.
Christian He should have said that when we hear music from our phones, it's always Amazon Prime. Maybe that is the problem on our system. 🙋♀️ Vera
Great comments about the manual, couldn’t agree with you more. Sadly JLR don’t seem to supply written manuals for their new cars and direct you to an app which is terribly light on detail and reliant on you having a charged and working smart phone….
I bought the last of D4's with the 2.7L motor in 2010 with sat nav and 7 seats. 300,000KM later and still the best vehicle I have ever owned. Gearbox needed a rebuild @ 180,000KM but that was because of that stupid sealed for life box and the stealer saying it didnt need servicing. Got my first ever fault codes being POOOE-22 and P2290-00 last week which were fixed with a new fuel filter. Fingeres crossed the dreaded HPFP doesnt rear it's head
From the headlights yours is a pre 14 model year 21000 Euro is lots based on UK pricing, my friend in Bremen spent 16000 euros on his with 120km on the clock his is 2012 I thought he was mad ! I think he has the older gearbox, my Disco 3 is going for a gearbox fix on Wednesday if its under 1000 pounds to fix we are keeping it, if over that we will be on the hunt for a 4, might push the boat out and go for a 2016 for the Euro6 (I have 2 daughters living inside the north and south circular and we visit lots ). I had a 5 for 2 months not really same sort of thing. Must admit prices are going up in UK on 3 and 4 not really sure why. Good luck with your new baby can't wait for the videos, hoping to get to DE and AUS and CH in mine before the end of summer.
Prices in Germany are through the roof compared to the UK. I have been following your market, also on facebook. And we would import one any minute, but I am not going to drive a right hand vehicle here. So we are stuck with those prices. And due to Corona and the Vanlife hype, everyone is looking for a travel car. We'll be in the Alps sometime in August. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
There may be some LHD markets where they are cheaper ?? But it's a lot of hassle and difficult to import with paperwork etc noticed quite a few land rover disco and range rover coming to UK from Japan. Would love a 5.0 litre V8 Discovery 4 , I know it sounds crazy but there is always the option to run on LPG quite a few in Poland and seems to work well.
Great topic. I've had my LR3 for 3 years and will probably never sell it, but I have thought of buying a second one or an LR4. We can't get diesel versions in the U.S., but I like the fact that the 2013-2015 models had the supercharged V6 that was later used in the Discovery 5 (which my wife owns, great vehicle to drive, ugly to look at).
Congrats guys for the "new entry"... D4 is more capable offroad due to faster communication system inside Terrain Response stuff and better low end torque...Tip: monitor closely the injectors balancing, it seems to be the root cause of crankshaft failures! A good injector diesel cleaner every 4/5 tank refills is recommended.
Enjoy the new toy and use Arbre Magique :-)))
I would of thought overfilling with oil or oil dilution or older failing oil pump not supplying enough pressure . Good to know will research that further . To broaden the knowledge of lthese engines . 👍
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Great comparison. Also glad you were not affected by the floods. Love your channel! The D3 dash board can develop cracks and the head liner trim material can delaminate. This could be more prominent in warmer climates. I noted your D3 is not affected by this.
😃👍 No, I don't think it gets hot enough here.🙋♀️ Vera
Tolles Auto, das sie gekauft haben. Ich höre hier in NL, dass die discovery 4 viel besser ist als die 3.
Ich habe nicht erwartet, dass all die Dinge, die Sie erwähnen, und sicherlich nicht, dass die Disco 3 besser ist.
Jetzt bleibe ich auf jeden Fall bei meiner Disco 3. Aber der 4.4 V8. Ich werde nie einen Diesel kaufen.
😃👍 I think Christian would love to drive a V8, but that is just too expensive here in Germany. 🙋♀️ Vera
I personally think that the last go anywhere Land Rover was the discovery 2 any thing else or newer in the brand is very much a Chelsea tractor
But as you say the cost of newer discovery’s is mad unless you have your skills to fix then
Another great video Christian
I have disco 3 2006 almost 200.000 k it was a long history services on it but now the car is stronger again and very happy to drive it . Disco 4 is beautiful but in my opinion is the same disco 3 with a wacht in the middle of the dash and one camera back nothing more than this for a lot of money on it? no way , if the prices with disco 4 will go down I can think about it . Cheers from Norway .
👍 We were not really looking for a Disco 4, but there where no Discos, 3 or 4, available with low kilometers.
Love ur upgrade disco 3 to 4, I did, from 3 2005 to 4 2014 and it was so nice.
Also like the Porches tractors u shoved. My dad was a Porche tractor dealer in Denmark when I was a boy. He was the first to join two 4 cylinder into one. None of them had front wheels. Steering visa hydraulic rams. It's now in a tractor museum in Denmark. I'm living in W Australia and love all the 4x4 we do. Thanks for ur disco clips. 😃
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Very good point on Discovery 3 second hand value.
I bought my Discovery 3 for €6000 in Ireland. I put about €7000 into it in terms of transmission rebuild, full servicings, commercial conversion (significantly lower road tax), luxury seat cover upgrade etc. Now it seems to be going well.
Interesting, I've noticed a lot more Discovery 3's on the road in Ireland in comparison to the UK. I think this maybe because of the Celtic Tiger 2005-2008. Mine was imported from the UK. (Perhaps useless information)
We, and a lot of our comment readers, really do enjoy reading those kind of stories. Keep them coming. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks Vera!
Swapped D3 to D4 year ago. Love the smooth SDV6 engine, the torque at low revs and the 8 speed.
Mis the gear lever although the dail sets gears way faster.
What I really mis on a premium traveling vehicle is storage for small stuff in the front. There are still no drawers under the seats. But in the middle console there isn't even space for two phones! Somehow we could stashe more things in the D3.
And why do these cars always have sweaty leather upholstery?
But really happy with it anyways!
Nicely reviewed.
I think that's my biggest gripe in the D4 .. the lack of space to actually put anything. Nowhere to put your phone, the door pockets are too shallow and things just fall out, no overhead pockets like in the D2 and virtually nowhere to mount anything ... like a UHF radio!!
Congrats on your new purchase! Great video, and I agree with all of your points. I would also ad that if offroad is important to you, the 17 inch minimum rim on the D3 is much better than the minim 19 on the D4.
Just today, we also replaced our Freelander with a Dacia Duster (long story), but we'll still be keeping the Freelande for the moment. It is not easy to part with a car after 12 years...
Another engine problem that the 3.0 has and the 2.7 doesn't is the inlet manifolds splitting - a very common issue at around 200k km.
👍We'll get to all those points in the future, we just only had it for a week and Christian has long hours at work right now. 😃👍 There is only so much information you can put into one video otherwise it gets too long and people will not watch it till the end. And for the RUclips Algorithm, that is really, really bad. Remember that when you start your channel. I wish you good luck with it and looking forward to seeing your videos. Hope you do them in English. 😃🙋♀️ Vera
Informative video. Was considering LR4 to upgrade from Disco 3 HSE now having second thoughts.
Only reason would be for horse power. Everything else is more complex and more likely to fail and cause expensive repairs. For sure. It is a nice car however. Really nice. Christian