I know exactly how you feel about stupid impractical design flaws Christian... Every weekend , when I'm fixing what ever needs fixing on my Discovery 3 that broke this week ( so i can get to work on Monday ) , all i do is curse and swear and shout about my crap , "what idiot designed this" Land Rover ... but after I've fixed it , the stress subsides and then it's back to being the best car in the world again . Another great entertaining and informative episode guys , thanks very much, i can't wait for the next one
Hallo liebe Leute von LR TIME!!! Ihr seid die liebsten Vlogger überhaupt! Ich liebe auch die Weise in der Ihr eure Beziehung auf Videos beschreibt und entfaltet! Liebe Grüße, alles Gute und wie wir auf rumänisch sagen °guter Weg° mit den LRs 3 und 4!!!
Well done Christian and Vera! The dipstick issue is an absolute abomination. I haven't heard about that so far. Here in the US we have the V8 gasoline engine. I am not sure if the messed up this engine as well. I use an independent Jaguar / LR shop and he definitely recommended to get LR3 and not an LR4. After the switch to the 5.0 direct injection V8 and other "upgrades" these vehicles won't even get near a LR3 lifespan. He has seen LR3s with 300-400,000 miles. The only downside with the 4.4NA V8 is the gas mileage 😳. I love your videos and your polite German ranting😁
👍😃 The diesel mileage on our LR4 is also not great. The LR4, with an automatic transmission, gulps more diesel than the LR 3. We did not expect this. 🙋♀️Vera
Lol....loved this video.... laughing still now. Christian get your hole cutter out tap three holes and put it in without removing everything the German way 🤣
I know this is an old video, but just watching it again as I only got my D4 about 6-weeks ago. Really good to be reminded on the emergency neutral lever and brake release. As mine is one of the last of the D4s (made in April 2016 and first registered in September 2016) it would have the the oil level fixes already done (thank goodness). Also, where I live, we have an excellent independent Land Rover specialist who I will get to do any work I can't do myself. One day, when I will drive through Germany, I will try and pop over so you can video what a RH-drive D4 looks like and you can compare the engine layout differences to your D4.
danke schön for the tip on the door locking, it also works on my Freelander 2 :) As a Freelander owner with a dipstick I laughed all the way through the oil level sensor part.
Thank you! Love your droll presentation style! My Discovery 4 has done less than 20,000km, but recently had a complete electrical failure without any warning. Luckily I was able to jump start and later replace the battery. Otherwise, your tips for releasing the hand brake and putting it in neutral without power would have been essential knowledge. I love my Disco's features, but I have serious concerns over its reliability and cost to repair because of designs like the oil level sensor..
27:00 One useful thing to do in secret menu is, that you can display the reversing camera view while driving. Not useful very often, but it might sometimes.
👍 We know that, but we couldn't get it to actually work and show, so that is why it didn't make it into this video. But since there is so much more info we have, maybe we'll get it to work in our follow up video. 🙋♀️ Vera
Brilliant! That oil sensor disaster is pure heritage 70s British Leyland: "That'll do the job lads, let's have a tea break - better still let's have a strike"
Thank you for buying an LR4. Most RUclips videos are for the LR3 like all your videos. Other than the diesel difference, our LR4's are the same except for the transmission. Mine has the stick shift. Veilen Danke!
Hello form 'Downunder" I take my land rover to a wonderful garage in Romsey central Victoria, Australia. My D4 is due for it's 240000K service and we are going to do diff and gears box oils, sealed for life (yeah right!) Anyway if they don't already know of your RUclips I'm going to make sure they are given the info so they can follow you. Love your work! Love it!!!
On the Discovery II, the TD5 engine injector loom also leaks oil thru capillary action all the way from the engine to the ECU. Similar kind of issue, except that the loom is MUCH easier to replace.
Well now, I was thinking of buying an LR4 or LR3. Thanks to your vid, I guess it will be an LR3 just so I can have the relaibility of a real dipstick. My BMW 750i (E65) has the whole oil level sensor thing, but at least, it also still has a stick. I can kind of understand the need to protect the mechanicals from the uneducated and unwashed, but it escapes my logic as to how a dipstick isn't a viable "option" even if you have the sensor. Thanks again for a great vid!
Another cracking video love the humour and conversation between your good selves I agree who honestly ever thought the oil sensor setup was a good idea ! I would love 5 minutes with these Engineers to explain as you did the obvious failings lol.Enjoy your new vehicle and keep up the good work you make my Sunday’s so much better.As they say stay safe out there lol Here is a post I found with respect to the oil sensor issue as a workaround not sure if it works but hey after all we are Range Rover owners we live on the edge lol. Report post JamieLC wrote: I read on a post on here before that if you unlatch your bonnet, leave the driver door open then go into the service menu, select oil level and quickly hit cancel on the steering wheel as the gauge comes on it will give you a reading. I will try to find the post. Open bonnet, ignition on, service menu, oil level display, press (cruise) cancel twice quickly.
You two are brilliant. That’s why Brits love Germans, because they take the fizz out of us so nicely and in our own language which they speak better than us. Great video and I did learn a lot. That JLR guy who designed the inside oil sensor lives here……..
On closing windows with the key fob, I am sure you know you can also open all windows by pressing and holding the unlock button. Great video as always.
Great video and your sense of humour is spot on for Land Rover ownership. The oil level sensor inside the sump is truly unbelievable and my favourite followed by the water shedder. 😅
Many years ago, my Wife managed to put petrol in our 2014 diesel D4 - the defeat device isn’t always a lifesaver (and the repair bill was enormous, but thankfully covered by our insurance). Thanks for another entertaining video.
At 19:15 where she hides the pin she enters seems funny, it's a smart idea ..., people often use the same four digit pin code for lots of things including banking if it's so required...., loving your channel.
Christian and Vera love your work on LR. Im sure all the LR owners specially D4 owners around the world watching every single video you guys upload. Wish you all the best, Greetings from Mongolia.
Another great video guys, didn’t know the oil sensor was an issue, I’ve had my 2014 D4 3 ltr since new & never had any major problems, in fact I haven’t had any issues with it at all & am continually surprised by the amount of breakdowns & failures others have. 210k on the clock now & going strong. I service it myself & live in country Victoria , Australia. My cars have always lasted along time as I think country driving gets the car up to temp every time. I tow a lot also & use the transmission manually when towing to maximise engine breaking. No DPF is also a bonus. Will not be selling it until the wheels fall off is the best car I’ve ever owned. Looking forward to your D4 videos have enjoyed the D3 videos as well as am considering getting one as a second car.
I think driving relaxed and with good operating temperatures is the key to a long engine life. Short distance city traffic is the opposite. Our LR3 also did not have any engine issue other than EGR valves which is normal on any car. Hope you can keep it for an other 200tk. And if it breaks, simply fix it. It’s a Great car. Christian
Thanks Christian, you just put me off buying a Disco 4 or 3 for that matter! I have owned 4 Defenders, a Disco 1,a Range Rover Classic V8 BUT I am waiting for the Grenadier!! I like your videos, great for a few laughs and some serious information. I wonder if the oil sensor couldn't be retrofitted to the sump in the conventional way?? Surely it would be a relatively simple work around??
Vera and Christian, it sounds like the Land Rover engineers involved should receive the "hot oil treatment", if you know what that involves, LOL. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos. They are always crafted with the stated "German Engineering".
I just bought an LR4 and and searched the internet for information. LR Time is both hilarious and fantastic for information. The interaction between Vera and Christian is very funny. I asked my wife to watch with me. There are so many great lines like "if it worked it wouldn't fit a Land Rover" or "If we had a toyota these videos would be changing oil and making coffee". LOL One comment and one question: 1) NEVER hit "Loading" in the "secret menu". It almost bricked my Nav unit. 2) Does anyone know where I can get the best shop manual for a 2013 online or, if not online, the best to buy?
Maybe the oil level sensor is installed internally to prevent water ingression when wading. The oil filter may be situated high-up for the same reason.
Right off the bat here, You work in the Automotive industry you stated. And have never heard of Capillary effect , Really, you must have come out from under a rock yesterday.
@@Vera_and_Christian Ok I apologise for previous comments, after watching again without the coffee shop visit. German humour is new to me, but very well done all the same. 😢😢😢
thank you so much my dad's LR4 sdv6 has been leaking oil I every mechanic said it was the turbo that was the problem. we replaced the factory engine and the new engine was smoking, after a week the crank snapped and now the engine is being replaced again.
8+ feature, if you press the unlock button on a remote and hold it, all windows will be opened. That how it works on my 2013 LR RRS L320 (which actually a Discovery 4 tech)
You can use the other side of your reset tool to trigger the mis fuel flap, to test if the flap works or to demonstrate the function of the flap and tool.
Dropped 10k usd in my 2012 this year alone, but still looks great and drives well. Everytime something goes wrong, it is like a BOAT: break out another thousand.
I don’t even own a Land Rover - or plan to buy one ( I do love them) - I own a Land cruiser and a GX460 - but I love love love your channel - best channel on RUclips
for this hopeless oil pan due to the inside fixed sensor ... it could be a project to machine a spare part oil pan with a big enough opening in the bottom to fix a plate from outside (on this plate the original sensor must be fixed) ... o.k. additional a solution for the wires/cable and sealing + requirement to have original height for o.k. sensor results Christian, you are smart enough to do it at home - create an intelligent insert solution! I know, due to oil pan construction there could be ribs or whatever ... but any good solution would be great!
Yes, this is possible but difficult to duplicate for people. One big advantage would be that you can inspect your pan for glitter through such a opening. If I ever get a spare pan, I will work on an insert like you suggested. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Hello Christian, I had a look to any spare parts (but not as deep in detail). Most oil pans are formed sheet metal. If I remember right your oil pan was aluminium casted (hpdc high pressure aluminium die casting) ... only this would make sense to modify. If you find one used or whatever ... for reasonable money (not completely oversized) and you would do the project ... you receive the money for the hpdc oil pan from my side, before you buy. Regards Achim
Land rover must have used the BMW engineers. Our 2013 X5 has a oil gasket leak ... which means the lower frame and front suspension system needs to be removed ignorer to change the gasket. 11 hrs task. Luckily our 2011 LR4 oil sensor is still going strong. Really appreciate your all's videos
I only watched that film last night. It was the remake of Deathwish with Bruce Willis, the Valet pressed home on their satnav and took a picture of their home address before giving them back their car. They later tried to rob the house and killed Willis’s wife. Great video as always.
Love that you also watch Matt's Off-road recovery - would like one of his recovery ropes!!! - great video, as a D3 owner I enjoyed sending the link to my D4 owning brother :)
25:00 - also works unlocking the car, you can wind all the windows down. With the headlight switch, you can turn the front on with the 1st click, with a 2nd click, the reverse lights will turn on too. And then, there's the raise/lower with the key fob too.. I have fun with that when taking wheels off - bottle jack in the dimple of the control arm, the car then 'levels' itself and picks the wheel up (so a couple of pumps) then when I'm done and the wheel back on, drop the bottle jack, grab the key fob and lift the car up
My 2020 Landcruiser still has a dip stick and to date has not failed to give me a reading. I’ll get back to you should it do so. It also has an oil pressure gauge which seems to work well too. Great video guys
Hello Vera and Christian. I live near Köln and have recently bought the exact same vehicle. There was also a Rumänien connection. So im looking forward to your future LR4 Videos. Alles Gute.
Great set of video's Christian and Vera. A real learning and informative insight into all things Landrover Discovery 3&4. And, you guys are full of wit and and are good a laugh too. I thoroughly enjoy your series. Keep up the good work. All the best..👍🇬🇧🇩🇪🏴
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. You guys are so compatible !! I don't even mind that you are pulling apart a brit icon ( even if it was a US build and now an Indian one).. Great work and thanks a lot. I am even more convinced I will never buy one of these. BRIT in Malaysia.
Educational AND funny at the same time, combined with the sarcasm, made this incredibly enjoyable. I'm really thirsty for a Discovery 4 but reliability is a concern. That oil sensor in itself is almost a deal breaker for me, since with my luck it would probably break and I would not enjoy spending an entire weekend removing half the car to try and fix it... The Touareg seems more and more appealing the more I hear about idiotic things like this, even though that car probably has its fair share of problems too...
Nice video. As a pretty well informed D3 owner, I only knew one of these D4 specialty things, namely how to close the windows from the remote. Best of luck with your oil level sensor replacement!
Great stuff - learned plenty about my car there 👍 Couple of points - maybe the oil level sensor was 'hidden' to avoid damage when off road (?). Also, turning off the engine on most keyless cars will enable the steering lock - in the UK car washes instruct drivers of keyless cars NOT to turn off the engine. Anyway, thanks for the video 😊
😃 We know about the steering lock. Did not know about the car wash 👍. But we still have a lot more, but covering all in one video with Christians rambling 😅 is not possible. After 30 minutes most people turn off. There will be a follow up video with our remaining topics. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Look forward to future videos. I learned loads about my car when I did the qualification in off road driving, then more from your video - all good :)
Hi both By the way on an LR4 you can also globally open all your windows on a sunny day with your key fob. unlock your door and hold the unlock button all the windows should all open. See you later.
Has your D4 got keyless entry? If so, have you found how to enable/disable it with the key fob? I think the keyless entry is how most modern Land Rovers are stolen, so I keep mine disabled!
@@millycarrington I’m with you - my keyless entry is disabled! The Faraday pouches don’t make much sense to me logistically (although I understand the science behind them). If people want to use the keyless entry, a closed metal biscuit tin works just as well when they are at home.
Yes, 80000€ is way too much for us, but hopefully we'll get one in the future, when the price drops because of some serious failures Christian can fix then 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
Hi guys great video, the global window closing system was on my Rover 800 vitesse turbo 1997 , very good function , I didn’t know about locking single to all doors on key fob , so thanks to you I now do . Regards mark
I'm always laughing my socks off, when Christian starts explaining all these very important (??) quirks and features of the Discovery 3 and 4. F.e. when a person, involved in the construction of this oil "sensor" in the sump is concerned... to never reveal personal data, accusations et cetera in an email. Why would anybody do that? It was indeed not the most clever thing to do... mounting this sensor inside of the sump! Should have asked you first: "What is logical?"... By the way... I like your approach of technical things, so very meticulous and precise (is synonym?)... Love your beautiful landscape. Pls continue with your LR Time in this way!
👍 Welcome and good to know, we hardly get any Disco 5 content or comments from owners here. We bought our Disco 4 after we reviewed the new Defender😃, that is why we were not suprised to see a dip stick on the Defender's engine again 😅 🙋♀️ Vera
LR TIME They seem to have put a dipstick on the ingenium engines alright, probably no harm as they tend to burn oil when the bores start to ware ....! From about 20k onwards 😬
As for the misfuel, it doesn’t stop you filling with gasoline, I’ve done it. But for everyone’s info if you do this suck as much mixed fuel out of the tank as you can through the filler pipe, then pull a quick connect fuel line off where it feeds the engine bay at the top and then put a hose over the end and and into a bucket to keep it from getting all over your engine keep turning the ignition on and off (tank pump will run 15sec or so each time) till it sucks air in the tank. Then add a gal of diesel and pump that through into the bucket. Put a decent amount of diesel in the tank and prime with ignition till no air at engine bay. Put it all back together and start it. I pulled the tank out and got all the gas out through the top of the tank where the bung is but that’s not necessary.
That is a messy job. LR would charge body off, tank down and a new fuel pump… 10k. You can jumper the relay and the low pressure fuel pump runs with the ignition off. It’s the one marked with the fuel pump symbol. The pump is in the rear of the tank, so park slightly uphill helps I think. Thanks for bringing this up Scott, Christian
You two are not only very informative but hilarious, you’ve cheered me up. Keep up the good work
I have to say I thought I wanted a Discovery 4 until I saw this video. Thank You.
The Discovery 4 are excellent cars if kept maintained - but this oil level sensor is a stupid design laziness - incredible FAIL
I know exactly how you feel about stupid impractical design flaws Christian...
Every weekend , when I'm fixing what ever needs fixing on my Discovery 3 that broke this week ( so i can get to work on Monday ) , all i do is curse and swear and shout about my crap , "what idiot designed this" Land Rover ... but after I've fixed it , the stress subsides and then it's back to being the best car in the world again .
Another great entertaining and informative episode guys , thanks very much, i can't wait for the next one
You are absolutely right, however difficult the repair was, we forget all about it once we can get into the car again and drive off.😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
One of the best car reviews I’ve ever watched. I’m STILL laughing. You two are hilarious!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😅 Glad you liked it 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Christian and Vera fantastic entertainment and great video just love the German humour, again keep them coming …)))))😃🇬🇧
Hallo liebe Leute von LR TIME!!! Ihr seid die liebsten Vlogger überhaupt! Ich liebe auch die Weise in der Ihr eure Beziehung auf Videos beschreibt und entfaltet! Liebe Grüße, alles Gute und wie wir auf rumänisch sagen °guter Weg° mit den LRs 3 und 4!!!
10/10 Vera - capillary!
I don't know why Land Rover persisted with wiring in hot oil after the td5 injector harness issues.
Well done Christian and Vera! The dipstick issue is an absolute abomination. I haven't heard about that so far. Here in the US we have the V8 gasoline engine. I am not sure if the messed up this engine as well. I use an independent Jaguar / LR shop and he definitely recommended to get LR3 and not an LR4. After the switch to the 5.0 direct injection V8 and other "upgrades" these vehicles won't even get near a LR3 lifespan. He has seen LR3s with 300-400,000 miles. The only downside with the 4.4NA V8 is the gas mileage 😳. I love your videos and your polite German ranting😁
👍😃 The diesel mileage on our LR4 is also not great. The LR4, with an automatic transmission, gulps more diesel than the LR 3. We did not expect this. 🙋♀️Vera
Lol....loved this video.... laughing still now. Christian get your hole cutter out tap three holes and put it in without removing everything the German way 🤣
I know this is an old video, but just watching it again as I only got my D4 about 6-weeks ago. Really good to be reminded on the emergency neutral lever and brake release. As mine is one of the last of the D4s (made in April 2016 and first registered in September 2016) it would have the the oil level fixes already done (thank goodness). Also, where I live, we have an excellent independent Land Rover specialist who I will get to do any work I can't do myself. One day, when I will drive through Germany, I will try and pop over so you can video what a RH-drive D4 looks like and you can compare the engine layout differences to your D4.
danke schön for the tip on the door locking, it also works on my Freelander 2 :) As a Freelander owner with a dipstick I laughed all the way through the oil level sensor part.
Thank you! Love your droll presentation style! My Discovery 4 has done less than 20,000km, but recently had a complete electrical failure without any warning. Luckily I was able to jump start and later replace the battery. Otherwise, your tips for releasing the hand brake and putting it in neutral without power would have been essential knowledge. I love my Disco's features, but I have serious concerns over its reliability and cost to repair because of designs like the oil level sensor..
Love the Matt's Off Road Recovery channel reference. Keep up the great content guys!
Also i am from the UK and your take of the English language is so funny,
You guys are the best,I'm a mechanic too from Canada but I did learn a lot from you,all the best for you and your family, thanks
I have never seen a couple doing car videos before, you guys are awesome! Very informative and enjoyable to watch, thank you
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27:00 One useful thing to do in secret menu is, that you can display the reversing camera view while driving. Not useful very often, but it might sometimes.
👍 We know that, but we couldn't get it to actually work and show, so that is why it didn't make it into this video. But since there is so much more info we have, maybe we'll get it to work in our follow up video. 🙋♀️ Vera
Rear camera is handy for when towing & keeping an eye on a load strapped to a trailer
Brilliant! That oil sensor disaster is pure heritage 70s British Leyland: "That'll do the job lads, let's have a tea break - better still let's have a strike"
😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
My favorite vlog of the Sunday.... Love you guys!!!!
😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
Thank you for buying an LR4. Most RUclips videos are for the LR3 like all your videos. Other than the diesel difference, our LR4's are the same except for the transmission. Mine has the stick shift. Veilen Danke!
😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
Hello form 'Downunder" I take my land rover to a wonderful garage in Romsey central Victoria, Australia. My D4 is due for it's 240000K service and we are going to do diff and gears box oils, sealed for life (yeah right!) Anyway if they don't already know of your RUclips I'm going to make sure they are given the info so they can follow you. Love your work! Love it!!!
😃🙏🙋♀️Vera
Excellent Christian and Vera. The first time I laughed out loud today. Love you guys, keep it up.
On the Discovery II, the TD5 engine injector loom also leaks oil thru capillary action all the way from the engine to the ECU. Similar kind of issue, except that the loom is MUCH easier to replace.
Didn't Mercedes invent those self oiling wiring looms?
God that's so stupid😂
Well now, I was thinking of buying an LR4 or LR3. Thanks to your vid, I guess it will be an LR3 just so I can have the relaibility of a real dipstick. My BMW 750i (E65) has the whole oil level sensor thing, but at least, it also still has a stick. I can kind of understand the need to protect the mechanicals from the uneducated and unwashed, but it escapes my logic as to how a dipstick isn't a viable "option" even if you have the sensor. Thanks again for a great vid!
Why to make it simple when you can complicate everything ?? welcome to JLR ;)
😃👍 We have been part of that tribe since 2010 and love it more every day. 🙋♀️ Vera
Still wouldn't have any other 4x4...even with their foibles
@@caryknapton7233 👍 same here 🙋♀️Vera
Another cracking video love the humour and conversation between your good selves I agree who honestly ever thought the oil sensor setup was a good idea ! I would love 5 minutes with these Engineers to explain as you did the obvious failings lol.Enjoy your new vehicle and keep up the good work you make my Sunday’s so much better.As they say stay safe out there lol
Here is a post I found with respect to the oil sensor issue as a workaround not sure if it works but hey after all we are Range Rover owners we live on the edge lol.
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JamieLC wrote:
I read on a post on here before that if you unlatch your bonnet, leave the driver door open then go into the service menu, select oil level and quickly hit cancel on the steering wheel as the gauge comes on it will give you a reading. I will try to find the post.
Open bonnet, ignition on, service menu, oil level display, press (cruise) cancel twice quickly.
👍😃 We are going to have to try that out. 🙋♀️ Vera
You two are brilliant. That’s why Brits love Germans, because they take the fizz out of us so nicely and in our own language which they speak better than us. Great video and I did learn a lot. That JLR guy who designed the inside oil sensor lives here……..
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
I absolutely love your videos and I think you both get funnier every week. Great work👍
On closing windows with the key fob, I am sure you know you can also open all windows by pressing and holding the unlock button. Great video as always.
Yeah we know, we covered that in a Disco 3 video already that's why we did not put it in here. 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Great video and your sense of humour is spot on for Land Rover ownership. The oil level sensor inside the sump is truly unbelievable and my favourite followed by the water shedder. 😅
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I do so enjoy your posts .I watch them over and over again .
Can you not design your own sump cover and be able to replace it from the outside. That would be great 👍.
Probably possible to alter the sump but the sensor would sit further down and read wrong. Good idea so. Christian
If you are going to go to that trouble, why not design a sump cover that takes a dip stick?
Thank you for letting us laugh at your expense.
Many years ago, my Wife managed to put petrol in our 2014 diesel D4 - the defeat device isn’t always a lifesaver (and the repair bill was enormous, but thankfully covered by our insurance).
Thanks for another entertaining video.
this funniest, yet most informative video. lol can't stop laugh and cry the same time.
Discovery 4 has some pretty amazing hidden features. But lot of LR4 owners don't know those things. Good video guys. Thank you.
At 19:15 where she hides the pin she enters seems funny, it's a smart idea ..., people often use the same four digit pin code for lots of things including banking if it's so required...., loving your channel.
Christian and Vera love your work on LR. Im sure all the LR owners specially D4 owners around the world watching every single video you guys upload. Wish you all the best, Greetings from Mongolia.
😃👍🙋♀️Vera
love this video, and love the talk about the oil sensor, kills me. we definitely don’t want the angry mob 😂😂
Love it!! .-)))) You are sooooo right in what you say about LR!
Excellent entertainment and knowledgable info on disco 4. So funny the pair of you 😆 long may it last 👍
So brilliant & entertaining. Thank you!!
Another great video, thanks guys, can't wait to see the oil sensor change video.
Another great video guys, didn’t know the oil sensor was an issue, I’ve had my 2014 D4 3 ltr since new & never had any major problems, in fact I haven’t had any issues with it at all & am continually surprised by the amount of breakdowns & failures others have. 210k on the clock now & going strong. I service it myself & live in country Victoria , Australia. My cars have always lasted along time as I think country driving gets the car up to temp every time. I tow a lot also & use the transmission manually when towing to maximise engine breaking. No DPF is also a bonus.
Will not be selling it until the wheels fall off is the best car I’ve ever owned. Looking forward to your D4 videos have enjoyed the D3 videos as well as am considering getting one as a second car.
I think driving relaxed and with good operating temperatures is the key to a long engine life. Short distance city traffic is the opposite. Our LR3 also did not have any engine issue other than EGR valves which is normal on any car. Hope you can keep it for an other 200tk. And if it breaks, simply fix it. It’s a Great car. Christian
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Thanks Christian, you just put me off buying a Disco 4 or 3 for that matter! I have owned 4 Defenders, a Disco 1,a Range Rover Classic V8 BUT I am waiting for the Grenadier!! I like your videos, great for a few laughs and some serious information. I wonder if the oil sensor couldn't be retrofitted to the sump in the conventional way?? Surely it would be a relatively simple work around??
Vera and Christian, it sounds like the Land Rover engineers involved should receive the "hot oil treatment", if you know what that involves, LOL. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos. They are always crafted with the stated "German Engineering".
best news ever that you now have a D4 Vera, Christian will now have a lifetimes of videos to make👍
😃👍 That was the plan😅 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian 👍🤣
Love the reference to Winder Towing. Glad I'm not alone in wasting time on RUclips!
😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
I just bought an LR4 and and searched the internet for information. LR Time is both hilarious and fantastic for information. The interaction between Vera and Christian is very funny. I asked my wife to watch with me. There are so many great lines like "if it worked it wouldn't fit a Land Rover" or "If we had a toyota these videos would be changing oil and making coffee". LOL One comment and one question: 1) NEVER hit "Loading" in the "secret menu". It almost bricked my Nav unit. 2) Does anyone know where I can get the best shop manual for a 2013 online or, if not online, the best to buy?
Send me an email please, I can help you out. . 🙋♀️Vera
thank you so much on the tips, Christian.. i didn't know.. long live the good 'ol dip stick 😁😄
Maybe the oil level sensor is installed internally to prevent water ingression when wading. The oil filter may be situated high-up for the same reason.
Right off the bat here, You work in the Automotive industry you stated. And have never heard of Capillary effect , Really, you must have come out from under a rock yesterday.
This must have been the first video you have watched from us 😅👍. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian 🤣🤣Spot on, and the last.
@@Vera_and_Christian Ok I apologise for previous comments, after watching again without the coffee shop visit. German humour is new to me, but very well done all the same. 😢😢😢
thank you so much my dad's LR4 sdv6 has been leaking oil I every mechanic said it was the turbo that was the problem. we replaced the factory engine and the new engine was smoking, after a week the crank snapped and now the engine is being replaced again.
Hi, no secret for Christian 👏Thank you to all 2
Christian & Eva that bubbling is good
If a Land Rover doesn't leak oil, it means there's no oil left ... 😁😁😁
8+ feature, if you press the unlock button on a remote and hold it, all windows will be opened. That how it works on my 2013 LR RRS L320 (which actually a Discovery 4 tech)
Superb!! water shedder!! Perhaps water displacer.
Hi
I was seriously thinking of buying a 2016 discovery 4 have wanted one for years but after watching your posts I am not sure now
Lol you guys are just awesome love the chemistry between you how always seem happy together. I wonder if u ever upset each other ?
😅👍 Sometimes it does happen 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian has it ever happened while filming?? 😎
I learned about the oil level sensor. :)
You can open all the windows with the remote fob too.
You can use the other side of your reset tool to trigger the mis fuel flap, to test if the flap works or to demonstrate the function of the flap and tool.
😄👍 we didn't know that 🙋♀️
The thick German sarcasm in this video is wonderful. Made my day
😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
One can also open all of the windows by holding the unlock button. Handy in hot weather! :) Hello from England.
Dropped 10k usd in my 2012 this year alone, but still looks great and drives well. Everytime something goes wrong, it is like a BOAT: break out another thousand.
😅👍 I have never heard that before. Thanks for sharing. 🙋♀️ Vera
I don’t even own a Land Rover - or plan to buy one ( I do love them) - I own a Land cruiser and a GX460 - but I love love love your channel - best channel on RUclips
Thanks 😃👍🙋♀️Vera
for this hopeless oil pan due to the inside fixed sensor ... it could be a project to machine a spare part oil pan
with a big enough opening in the bottom to fix a plate from outside (on this plate the original sensor must be fixed)
... o.k. additional a solution for the wires/cable and sealing + requirement to have original height for o.k. sensor results
Christian, you are smart enough to do it at home - create an intelligent insert solution!
I know, due to oil pan construction there could be ribs or whatever ... but any good solution would be great!
Yes, this is possible but difficult to duplicate for people. One big advantage would be that you can inspect your pan for glitter through such a opening. If I ever get a spare pan, I will work on an insert like you suggested. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Hello Christian, I had a look to any spare parts (but not as deep in detail).
Most oil pans are formed sheet metal.
If I remember right your oil pan was aluminium casted (hpdc high pressure aluminium die casting) ... only this would make sense to modify.
If you find one used or whatever ... for reasonable money (not completely oversized) and you would do the project ... you receive the money for the hpdc oil pan from my side, before you buy.
Regards
Achim
I was told it was Tommy Atkins that invented the oil level sensor for the German Market.😃😀😀😀
Had to google that one to get it 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Hope it didn't offend. 😇
@@chrishill5166 No, don't worry. 😃🙋♀️ Vera
Land rover must have used the BMW engineers. Our 2013 X5 has a oil gasket leak ... which means the lower frame and front suspension system needs to be removed ignorer to change the gasket. 11 hrs task. Luckily our 2011 LR4 oil sensor is still going strong. Really appreciate your all's videos
Danke !! I did not know for the window closure from the fob 😅🤣
I did learn a lot.
Great video! You can also open all 4 windows by pressing and holding the unlock button on the key fob. The doors will stay locked.
19:30 I think you were thinking about “Death Wish” released in 2018 and main actor is Bruce Willis. By the way, you guys are so hilarious 😂
I only watched that film last night. It was the remake of Deathwish with Bruce Willis, the Valet pressed home on their satnav and took a picture of their home address before giving them back their car. They later tried to rob the house and killed Willis’s wife.
Great video as always.
👍😃Christian will be happy to know this, thanks. 🙋♀️ Vera
Love your Christian n Vera, thank you, so much class here
Door lock unlock very impressive... even more impressive was that is failed twice in my old Discovery 4 it costs quite a load of big bucks.
😃 It's going to be interesting. 👍🙋♀️Vera
I do love a good rant! You are correct - so these engineers are supposed to be intelligent?
LR have lost the plot. I would never....ever....buy one....!
love this pair...informative and super funny! fantastic videos!
Thank you both for the channel . 1 your interesting show has me thinking about buying a discovery and this video means I will be buying a Discovery 3
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Love that you also watch Matt's Off-road recovery - would like one of his recovery ropes!!! - great video, as a D3 owner I enjoyed sending the link to my D4 owning brother :)
Thanks! Matt’s off-road is very entertaining. One of my favorite channels. Christian
God I love your German style of presentation. Just a little level of humor below the surface.
You two are fun. Thanks for putting this together.
25:00 - also works unlocking the car, you can wind all the windows down. With the headlight switch, you can turn the front on with the 1st click, with a 2nd click, the reverse lights will turn on too.
And then, there's the raise/lower with the key fob too.. I have fun with that when taking wheels off - bottle jack in the dimple of the control arm, the car then 'levels' itself and picks the wheel up (so a couple of pumps) then when I'm done and the wheel back on, drop the bottle jack, grab the key fob and lift the car up
😃👍 we had that covered in our 15 things... video on our Discovery 3, that's why we did not put in here. But there will be more to come. 🙋♀️ Vera
My 2020 Landcruiser still has a dip stick and to date has not failed to give me a reading. I’ll get back to you should it do so. It also has an oil pressure gauge which seems to work well too. Great video guys
Love listening to you both banter back and forth hahahahah. The sarcasm is so good ahahaha
oil sensor in or out crazy idea. just drill a hole and fit a dip stick 😉
Hello Vera and Christian. I live near Köln and have recently bought the exact same vehicle. There was also a Rumänien connection. So im looking forward to your future LR4 Videos. Alles Gute.
😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
Great set of video's Christian and Vera. A real learning and informative insight into all things Landrover Discovery 3&4. And, you guys are full of wit and and are good a laugh too. I thoroughly enjoy your series. Keep up the good work. All the best..👍🇬🇧🇩🇪🏴
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. You guys are so compatible !! I don't even mind that you are pulling apart a brit icon ( even if it was a US build and now an Indian one).. Great work and thanks a lot. I am even more convinced I will never buy one of these.
BRIT in Malaysia.
Educational AND funny at the same time, combined with the sarcasm, made this incredibly enjoyable.
I'm really thirsty for a Discovery 4 but reliability is a concern. That oil sensor in itself is almost a deal breaker for me, since with my luck it would probably break and I would not enjoy spending an entire weekend removing half the car to try and fix it...
The Touareg seems more and more appealing the more I hear about idiotic things like this, even though that car probably has its fair share of problems too...
Nice video. As a pretty well informed D3 owner, I only knew one of these D4 specialty things, namely how to close the windows from the remote. Best of luck with your oil level sensor replacement!
I think I hate that oil level sensor. I m ok with my deep stick in D3
@@selebalotsiu7139 Completely agree. I also prefer the phisical key to the start stop button and keyless entry.
Great stuff - learned plenty about my car there 👍 Couple of points - maybe the oil level sensor was 'hidden' to avoid damage when off road (?). Also, turning off the engine on most keyless cars will enable the steering lock - in the UK car washes instruct drivers of keyless cars NOT to turn off the engine. Anyway, thanks for the video 😊
😃 We know about the steering lock. Did not know about the car wash 👍. But we still have a lot more, but covering all in one video with Christians rambling 😅 is not possible. After 30 minutes most people turn off. There will be a follow up video with our remaining topics. 🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Look forward to future videos. I learned loads about my car when I did the qualification in off road driving, then more from your video - all good :)
The 'window close by remote', was also on the '95 Range Rover P38 (- just hold 'lock' on remote for ~1.5 seconds).
Hi both By the way on an LR4 you can also globally open all your windows on a sunny day with your key fob. unlock your door and hold the unlock button all the windows should all open. See you later.
Has your D4 got keyless entry? If so, have you found how to enable/disable it with the key fob? I think the keyless entry is how most modern Land Rovers are stolen, so I keep mine disabled!
I just keep the keys in a Faraday cage pouch.
The fob does not work even touching the car.
@@TheSleepychicken That’s a way, but if keyless entry is still enabled, then in theory the car is still vulnerable.
@@millycarrington I’m with you - my keyless entry is disabled! The Faraday pouches don’t make much sense to me logistically (although I understand the science behind them). If people want to use the keyless entry, a closed metal biscuit tin works just as well when they are at home.
Nice shout out to Matt’s Off-Road Recovery. I enjoy your videos and I don’t even own a Discovery. Wish you guys owned the new Defender!
Yes, 80000€ is way too much for us, but hopefully we'll get one in the future, when the price drops because of some serious failures Christian can fix then 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
Hi guys great video, the global window closing system was on my Rover 800 vitesse turbo 1997 , very good function , I didn’t know about locking single to all doors on key fob , so thanks to you I now do . Regards mark
I'm always laughing my socks off, when Christian starts explaining all these very important (??) quirks and features of the Discovery 3 and 4.
F.e. when a person, involved in the construction of this oil "sensor" in the sump is concerned... to never reveal personal data, accusations et cetera in an email. Why would anybody do that?
It was indeed not the most clever thing to do... mounting this sensor inside of the sump! Should have asked you first: "What is logical?"...
By the way... I like your approach of technical things, so very meticulous and precise (is synonym?)... Love your beautiful landscape. Pls continue with your LR Time in this way!
We won't stop anytime soon.😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
New Sub here. The disco 5’s give exactly the same issue with the sensor wiring too....! I’ve replaced a few of them when I worked at JLR.!
👍 Welcome and good to know, we hardly get any Disco 5 content or comments from owners here. We bought our Disco 4 after we reviewed the new Defender😃, that is why we were not suprised to see a dip stick on the Defender's engine again 😅 🙋♀️ Vera
LR TIME They seem to have put a dipstick on the ingenium engines alright, probably no harm as they tend to burn oil when the bores start to ware ....! From about 20k onwards 😬
As for the misfuel, it doesn’t stop you filling with gasoline, I’ve done it. But for everyone’s info if you do this suck as much mixed fuel out of the tank as you can through the filler pipe, then pull a quick connect fuel line off where it feeds the engine bay at the top and then put a hose over the end and and into a bucket to keep it from getting all over your engine keep turning the ignition on and off (tank pump will run 15sec or so each time) till it sucks air in the tank. Then add a gal of diesel and pump that through into the bucket. Put a decent amount of diesel in the tank and prime with ignition till no air at engine bay. Put it all back together and start it. I pulled the tank out and got all the gas out through the top of the tank where the bung is but that’s not necessary.
That is a messy job. LR would charge body off, tank down and a new fuel pump… 10k. You can jumper the relay and the low pressure fuel pump runs with the ignition off. It’s the one marked with the fuel pump symbol. The pump is in the rear of the tank, so park slightly uphill helps I think. Thanks for bringing this up Scott, Christian