Eminence DV-77 vs Celestion V 30
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2021
- I review the new Eminence DV-77 speaker (the 16 ohm version)
I also shoot it out with the Celestion Vintage 30 in a full mix and with some isolated riffs. I also show you how the DV-77 sounds paired with a V30. Does the DV-77 sound better? Should you sell your V 30 and replace it with the
DV-77? Or, do they make a great pair?
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Well damn you are the first person I've seen actually run them together and it sounds monstrous. Great job as usual.
Thank you! I'm always trying to think out-of-the-box for you guys.
I bought a mesa slant 4x12 with ukv30s and dv-77 in an x pattern today!
Thank you!!! This is the video I've been wanting, since the DV77 was released. Great job 👍🏻
Thank you very much. I'm really digging the DV-77/V30 combo.
I have a cabinet with 2 V30s, After your test drive I will be installing a DV 77 in the bottom of my vertical. Thanks for the great demo and push on the Eminence.
Awesome video Jarrod! Extremely informative and right to the point! I've been wondering about this comparison since I play through a Mesa OS with V30s. Really like hearing the EVH Stealth Big Boy. Thanks for your work.
My pleasure!! Thank you. The EVH Big Boy is awesome!!!
I think for your sound/style the EVH suits it the best overall. Sounded great! Makes me want the DV-77! 🤘🏻🍻
Great video as always, I've got a DV-77 paired with a Mesa Mc-90 celestion in a Genz Benz G-flex 2x12 cab, best of both worlds , smooth highs, crushing lows 🤘🤙
good work! great video and comparison I was looking for! keep it up
Great video! Loved the comparison because I was stuck on which to buy! I’m thinking about going with the 77.
I'm about to mix one with a swamp thang next weekend when I get my 8 ohm dv-77 in the mail! Can't wait! Good video!
Great video!🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Speakers are such a big part of the final tone. Much like pickups on the front end of the signal. Variety is the spice of life! I’m using the DV77 in a front loaded Randall 4x12 with V30’s. I like the way the DV77’s tame that inherently overly bright tone that you tend to get with V30’s in that type of cabinet.
That is a mighty thick milkshake of tone my dude. The two together are dank 🤘🏻😈
Hell yeah!! Thank you
That's a really nice blend, I paired my V30's up with Eminence Screaming Eagle's in my Framus Dragon cab and it's a pretty good blend, I love it, nice video🤘
If you compare the frequency responses from the spec sheets they are extremely similar but the DV seems to have a lot more exaggerated cuts and boosts. I think it's a great combo. Thanks for the comparison.
Love the comparison. I always felt like the Triple Rect sounds aggressive in the high mids, the V30 brings it out even more, then add a SM57, which also is aggressive in the high mids and it just becomes too much. That DV-77 sounds like it'll be great to dial back some of that harshness I don't like in that Triple Rect setup. Overall I don't believe the DV-77 is a replacement for the V30. I think they just pair very well together. Both speakers sound dull in comparison by themselves. The combo of the two sounds a lot more rich and complex. I definitely want to add one to my setup. Great video! Thanks for doing this comparison, and especially for that back to back comparison at the end.
this is phenomenal. Pure love
Thank you so much.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching
@@TONEWARSgearshow Would the DV-77 be good in front load style cab? Very interesting to hear.
@@fectino7634 Yes, what would it be like in the Engl pro front loaded 4x12 x pattern DV-77 + V30. 🤘🤘
Damn duuuude! Sounds amazing! Really considering buying one of those DV-77’s at some point ;)
First of all, excellent playing. Second of all, I think you found a good combination, they seem to round each other out.
Man I got the peavey xxx with a mesa 2x12. I think you sold me on pulling one v30 out and putting a dv77 in. How you described it is perfect.
Great video, playing, and explanation. It sounds like there is just a massive amount of distortion going on in this.
dude sick. It was great marbling on the top end haha. You're a sick guitarist too man
Thank you!!!
I just got my DV-77 and put it in my Crate Stealth-50 combo. Sounds killer with my DOD 250 overdriving it.
I love the upper mid-range spike of the V30 and as we all know the guitar is A midrange instrument. The mixture of both speakers really didn't do it for me sounded kind of busy is the best way I can describe it just my opinion. Also the Eminence speaker will change somewhat after it's broken in.
Good vid man! I feel like the DV-77 is great when you’re playing with… I mean BY yourself, but I prefer the V30 in the mixes.
Cool, it looks like mix of these two is a great match, it is always worth to experiment with mixing speakers, especially V30. It is a bit of work, but speakers are often neglected even though their cost is sometimes close to a high-end or rather boutique pickup(speakers are cheap, or rather some pickups are overpriced).
It slightly reminds me thicker Celestion H75 which I have used in x-pattern with Marshall Vintage 30 with a great success (I think also Periphery used that config).
Thanks for the vid! I don't really love how its sounding here to be honest especially in a mix but its cool to see more options out there tailored to metal
I love my red back. I put my DV77 in my 6505+ combo amp. My red back is in a single 12 cab. In your comparison the DV77 sounds amazing. great video
Hows the dv77 sound in your 6505 112?
@@jefftrvecvlt1819 It sounded good, but I took it out to use in a 1-12 cab. I still use it with the 6505 just in a separate cab. I did it because I like to use the DV77 with some of my other small tube amps heads. Right now the 6505 has an Eminence legend in it. It sounds good to.
Awesomeness!! Just ordered a pair from Sweetwater, mainly for the candy! Cant wait to drop them in with a V30! Are you going to have some IR's for sale?
I have a hellatone 60 and Sheffield chrome back mix in a vertical 212 I'm powering with a 6505+ combo. Basically I took the speaker out of my combo and bought another speaker so we could run a 212. Thanks for making this I really want to try out this speaker! The hellatone 60 is just a rebranded vintage 30 60w that avatar buys and breaks in for 15 hours before you buy it. I think it would pair well with this.
I really like the DV-77 also it has a better low end and not to much high end fizz that annoys me with the v-30 great video man and your playing is killer keep up the metal
Hanging out for my dv77’s to arrive, im going to setup in X pattern in rectifier cab with v30’s and in another with k100 as an experiment! I have the swamp thang as well to mix with gt12 75’s, not sure how it will all go but i love trying stuff out 😎 thanks for another great video 🤘🏻👍🏻
My pleasure! Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I think I found another fun rabbit hole to dive into lol. I'll probably be doing some more experiments with speakers in the future
Brother, let us know how it goes.
I have a Bogner 412 with V30s and I am thinking of DV77s or CL80s or K100.
I don't want over powering boomy bass in a 412.
The DV77 reminds me of the Mesa BLACK shadow 90.
My Splawn 412 crushes, and oozes tone with Mesa V30s and Redbacks.
I’ve been thinking about blending either DV-77 or Hesu Demon with a Swamp Thing in a 2x12. Been playing through V30s for two decades and just want something fresh.
How did that speaker combo turn out man?!?
sounds great!!! do you have any IR packs so we can get them??
So these DV77 speakers are not broken in?
What do you guys think is different between rhe DV77, K100, CL80 and Redback?
My favorite is V30/Redback. For me it's so balanced, full and thick.
I can't decide if one of these Celestion would be best or the DV.
Love the comparison. I still think the Eminence CV-75 is the best speaker available and I used to be all about the V30’s for 20-25 years. I’m all about that.Eminence.
It's good hearing from you Jason. I think it's a great speaker as well. I prefer pairing it with the V30. It just adds a nice balance to the mid spike in the V30.
@@TONEWARSgearshow yeah I’m hearing a great blend as well. I’m glad you were able to upgrade your Redback to your DV-77. Your cabinet collection is to die for. And those amps………dude! You rock. Seriously.
Oh and I can’t wait to hear the Splawn going through this new combo. LOL
@@jasonlewis5350 thank you!! I'm very blessed to have this collection. I really enjoy playing through these amps and cabs every day.
@@jasonlewis5350 I think I should do an episode where I play every single one of my amps through this combo. What do you think?
How did you wire the both speakers in this test? Was it in a x pattern also in your 4x12 cab?
Hi. Thanks for doing a shootout like this. I'm just wondering what kind of volume you used for these comparisons? Stage volume, bedroom levels, and/or was there a specific dB range you were playing within? Just wondering as speakers will sound different when really pushed. Thanks!
My pleasure! Good question...the volume was around 86 db. It's always pretty loud in my studio when I'm doing videos
@@TONEWARSgearshow Thanks for the info! Any chance you could do a quick side-by-side comparison of each with a dB meter in the background, peaking around 100 dB or so (as Ola Englund does in many of his amp test vids)? That's the kind of volumes that many of us will be playing these at in live band rehearsal/gigging situations. It would be interesting to hear how the dv-77 does being pushed a bit more, as I would be concerned that it would get mushy and lost in a full band mix. Thanks!
Great demo. I'm dying to hear some DV-77 demos with some slightly lower gain though. I have the York Audio DV-77 IR pack and they are fantastic for all things rock. Just curious if the real speaker translates the same way.
The new speaker sounds good,i like it more together with the vintage 30 ,i will like to hear this cab with different heads also! What was your problem with the previous speaker? i personally saw your video back when you first bought the cab and it sounded amazing!! very clear and with great bass responce and punch! imagine that i liked so much that combination that i wanted to try it on my cab when i had the chance,im just curious why you changed your mind and what you didnt like.
You'll have to revisit this in 6 months and a couple gigs with it.. Would be interesting to hear how it breaks itself in. 👍
It does have a full sound,in a good way. I mixed a v30 and a Jensen tornado. It has a full sound. I think, it might depend on the cab it's self. I have a Orange 2x12 and a messa 4x12,both came with V30 and the Orange sounds nearly as dark and the low end is pretty much nearly the same..You think that would matter? Meaning results may very with what type of cab you have? I also have a bareface cab, but I have not been able to try it yet. It's still in the packing. But from my end it sounds good, different but good.
Hey there, in the EVH 100w Stealth there, are you aware of that when you use channel 3 you can use the channel 2 Gain knob as a tone knob to dial in a perfect fr the channel 3 gain? Ex: while on ch 3 turn ch 2 gain knob counterclockwise and roll it up clockwise to hear a difference in ch 3 gain tone. Give it a try - I found it pretty sweet 👍🏽
Just getting the dv 77 to pair with the v30 in a 412 any suggestions for DV 77 top / bottom or X pattern ?
Over a year later..is the honey moon phase over? Or is it one of your favorites still?
What speaker do you prefer with the stealth?
Yo my man are those the Mesa 🇬🇧 V30 16 ohms that you comparing with the DV-77? If so they sound freaking amazing. Great video and playing. 👍🏿
Great demo !! I’m looking to running the DV77 in my rig soon! Could you run the archon with that speaker please . I have to knoooooow!!!
Have these two X patterned in my 4x12 and it’s perfect.
Is it a good mix? What amp are you using?
I stopped using my mesa 4x12 for my dv77 equipped Vader 4x12. Those speakers are great.
run both cabs together for the win
Redbacks are amazing. What didn't you like?
I’m going to pair the dv-77 with the vin 30 or another speaker in one of my cabs.
I have a Mesa vertical 2x12 with v30’s, wanted to try the dv77, would you swap out the top or bottom v30? Thanks!
I would swap out the top one
That dv-77 sounds a lot better . Nvr been a fan of the v30. It always sounds really brash and staticky. I think the eminence GB128 speaker would be even a better match with the dv77.
Those GB128 speakers are phenomenal!
How would the Dv-77 fair mixed in X pattern with a g12t-75? Since i know t-75s go really well with v30s i wonder if i should try that out.
I haven't tried those speakers yet. I think it's definitely worth a try
I like the v30/k100 much better. IMO they stay out of each others way while seamlessly blending.
Can you give signal chain and your channel settings please? I have a set up very similar to this and I’d love to be able to get this tone. Sounds awesome!
Feel free to remind me to give you those settings tomorrow.
i have a pair of the 8 ohms. on their own there are just ok. but when i ran them into my mesa os cab mixed with two v30 it really blossomed. i think the dv77 works best blended.
I agree, they are best blended.
What is your guitar tuned to?
Nice room of rigs!
Thank you! I miss that room so much right now. I'm out of town for a month on business.
@@TONEWARSgearshow Hey, I don't know you much. But, you seem to be a great dude. Man, I wish you all the best. Good Content.
@@InTheSh8 thank you. I really appreciate that. Since I'm out of town on business, I will still be trying to do as much content as I can from my airbnb.
As soon as I get home, I'm gonna start doing more videos from there.
So I ordered DV77s for my Bogner to pair with the V30s.
Problem is my Splawn cab has V30/Redback and not sure if I want to keep that or swap them, but I don't want another DV77 cab.
What other speakers you recommend to mix with the V30?
We play a lot of thr same type of music and both like thick rich tones.
Classic lead 80? MC90?
V30+g12t75
@@OfRiffAndMan thanks..
Gonna compare DV-77/V30 to DV-77/K100 or CK80.
the best is a mix of dv 77 in v30 mesa boogie in x patterns in a mesa 4x12 oversize. only the dv 77 lack something and the v30 are too aggressive but the mix of the 2 is the best in a cab. I tried a lot of everything that is done in speakers and combinations but these are incredible the v30s are also too directive the dv 77 compensates
I like the V30 because it's less nasal in this comparison. They mix really well though IMO.
Have you tried the K100s, or MC90s?
I have a Bogner 412 with V30/H30 and I want to get MC90s, K100s, CL80s or the DV77s.
I hear the DV77 is like a Creamback or Jensen Tornado? Forget rhe name.
I have a pair of the G12 K100's in my Diezel cab. They're great!
@@TONEWARSgearshow thanks. Are the k100s darker than the DV77?
What didn't you like about Redbacks?
I have them in my splawn with v30s and love them every bit as much as my k100s
I have to be honest, I have IRs of the DV-77 from Audio Assault, but they don't sit right in my mixes.
Have you ever tried WGS speakers? If so which ones?
Reaper 30 watt is great
DV77 sounds great. Reminds me of a Celestion K100!
I watched some demos of the DV and I thought there was a Jensen speaker that sounded even better. Forget the name.
The DV is dark and mixes with the V30 well. Also reminds me of the Mesa MC-90.
Thanks for commenting. I agree, the DV77 mixes perfectly with a brighter speaker like the V30.
@@TONEWARSgearshow what didn't you like about Redbacks? Live them.
@@Bognerman14 They just had a weird mid range about them. I can't put my finger on it. There was just something odd about them. Maybe it was the way they paired with the V30. I don't know.
@@TONEWARSgearshow interesting. I guess it's a personal preference thng and we all hear things a little different. They are still my favorite speaker. I can't explain it, they just do it for me, either on their own or blended with V30s, CL80s, etc. And funny my favorite cab is my Splawn with V30/Redback.
If you can, check out Heritage 55hrz H-30s. They surprised me recently with tight and punchy base and smooth, yet bright highs.
@@Bognerman14 Thanks for the heads up on those speakers. If I get a chance, I will check them out
recto 2x12 vertical cabinet w/original mesa specific Celestion v30 and that db77 on the top sounds god like.
I have 3 cabs at home one is a Marshall 1960a with vintage 30’s and G12 65 in an x pattern. The other cab is a carvin with stock speakers and the other a fender m-80 cab with stock speakers. In the room the carvin cab sounds the best but close miced it sounds weird. Messing around close micing nothing sounds better than the bottom vintage 30 in the Marshall if I had to pick just one speaker to close mic.
Can someone do an IR of this or does anyone know if that already exists?
Does pairing them give more bottom end response as well???
Just a better spectrum of sound
Check out the York Audio DV77 IR in a custom cab if you like these speakers. It sounds great. 👍
Man how is that pack? I love the Orange pack from York and been hesitant between getting the dv77 and the zilla next to keep the tone chasing.
@@oscarcastellon7398 I think you would love the DV77 pack more than the Zilla. SDS has many videos using the pack with isolated guitars. Good stuff!
@@seventhsealhere ill go for it then. Im so used to the V30 that i think i was scared to go to darker speakers
The DV-77 sounds better. I like the mid boost, tamed HF fix, and the perfect HP filter for the LF signals. Oh the thing you could do with tearing treble and presence with the speakers
I was the first to post on the DV-77 on one of your videos. This was when they were in stock. Lol. How is you line 6 market place going. Is it worth it?
It's going very well. They are a great company to work with
I don’t think they sound anything alike. The DV is a lot darker and smoother. Def not a replacement, IMO. It pairs well, tho!
Agreed. It's a great counterpart to a brighter speaker
Totally want to use both in my peavey ultra tube block series 212 call me crazy
I'd love to hear your 5150 block letter though these speakers. No one else has 16 ohm vintage 30's and 5150 block letter I bet the tone would be sick
I wish I could do that for you. However, I don't have the block letter anymore. It was just one that I borrowed for an episode
@@TONEWARSgearshow no worries. I just found a 4x12 cab with 4 16ohm vintage 30's for sale. Thanks!
How would they sound for lighter metal? Like ozzy and zakk or randy tones?
I think combined comedy would sound good
Would you happen to know if the speakers in the iconic cabinet can be swapped easily? Im not sure if they are soldered or not. Def getting rid of those.
If you’re cash strapped, a great pairing with the Vintage 30s are Eminence Manowar speakers FYI
I hear a lot of people compare the DV77 to vintage 30's. I'm just not hearing it at all. They both sound great! But they're very different speakers. To me, at least, the DV is wayy closer to a creamback than a V30.
I'd love to hear how a DV-77 and a Sheffield pair together
Thinking about putting one in my peavey 5150 combo!
@@charlieschueneman7363 Let me know how that goes. I swapped one Sheffield into my V30 Harley Benton 2x12 and it already sounds a little better. Just trying to decide what I want to replace the other V30 with!
They sound so different .
I find celestion have a thinner fizzier saturated sound. Where eminence tend to feel tighter thicker and drier . Eminence have more bite without the extra fizz cloudiness.
That being said I’m so used to celestion speakers. I like the grind of the eminence more but I also feel celestion have a slinkyness they works well with riffs. The eminence feels stiffer .
I have a blackstar am with an eminence and man that’s a great satisfying aggressive sound . But I also have a blackstar with celestions and it sounds a bit rounder and saturates well.
It’s a tough choice . I wonder what the db output is on both? I forget. I feel maybe I’d want to have the eminence be significantly quieter than the celestion speakers , that way I could get the density and grind of the eminence but it doesn’t overpower the celestion .
I feel it the eminence sound is too obvious it will be a bit disjointed sounding. Like tightness ( eminence )but then a weird fizz (Celestion ) around it .
I would want to try the celestion as a main sound and then the eminence as the core of the sound .
I think humbuckers in general get a lot more fizz with celestions. They have that scooped tone with high end lift with can easily translate to fizzyness with lots of gain.
I think the DV 77's are great for blending with other speakers, especially the V30.
Monster player...!!!
I think this DV77 sounds great in 16 ohm but the V30 seems too bright for this amp and would sound better woth an 8 ohm V30.
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I'll tell you how I play without changing speakers in a Mesa 412 cabinet: I like to play old school death metal with two amps in one Mesa 412 cabinet. One in a pair of 4 ohms and the other amp in another pair of 4 ohms speakers. Versatility is beyond praise! And you don't need to change speakers. Just tune one amp fatter and the other drier and it will always be an unforgettable experience!
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I think Vintage 30s have a harsh midrange. But that usually translates into being heard better. Tone is subjective. No matter how much you craft your tone, the FOH engineer is going to pick and choose the frequencies the audience will hear.
That mid spike has made the V30 famous and stand out in mixes for a long timm. when it's balanced with a darker speaker, I think it sounds great.
@@TONEWARSgearshow sure they sound awesome balanced by another speaker. But I think when you’re performing, at least old style stage performances. The frequencies from the other band members where the balancing effects. Sounds spiked by itself, but blended in a band sounds great. Look at Jazz guitarists, always trying to sound dark. Every time I sat and watched a jazz band - the guitar tone just absolutely disappeared
I like the v30 better
I replaced the two bullshit speakers that came in my 212 evh stealth stock with eminence d77 and oh my god this is the sound I’ve been looking for all my life so clear and solid and aggressive I don’t like them together with a v30 I like two dv 77s together and this is using my 50 watt stealth I can’t wait to plug in my marshall jvm 50 watt and my engl fireball 100
V30 sounds better to me. I would love to hear DV compared to Eminence Legend or Celestion G12K
WGS Reaper 30 watt sits in the middle tonally
Dude, love it! The only thing that IMO which it's not my taste is the gain. Try use less! Overall you did an amazing job!
I thought the exact same. He is controlling it incredible well though.
Maybe that's what he likes. You didn't notice all the gain monster amps he has? Duh smh
@@bigchocolate8547 he can probably likes that way, but didn't you notice that we're in community platform and if you share something, it's main because he wants us to give our thoughts about the results. BTW I have 5 high gain amps here.
“…MORE GAIN!!!!!!”
@@andrel.noronha3282 so if you have five gain amps then why are you complaining about the gain? Maybe go listen to country or something soft for your sensitive ears 😆
It's funny how with the DV-77 the guitar sounds a bit like Slipknot :)))
If this speaker becomes the new standard all metal will sound like Slipknot. Which could be a good or a bad thing.
I have to get one too!
Check out Hesu Demon speaker 😜
I have the hesu 2 /12 with demons. Sound is killer
The gain on the amp is so saturated it’s hard to make a good comparison.
Have a Manowar with a V30 and omg they will just destroy your ears in my basement
If you had to choose only one… with stealth
The I-5 is far from a flat microphone.
The v30 sound like it had too much bass in a bad way
Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but your tone is way oversaturated and fizzy regardless of which speaker you used. I'd dial the gain back.
You are what you are, whether you are trying or not. You need more confidence in yourself.
That's what I thought, too. It also sounded way too flubby. Could be dialed in better with a tad less gain, but maybe these evh amps are super gainy?
Thats what that type of metal calls for and sits perfect in the mix. I would have a tad more highs mixed in but thats me
@@NINERS8ableHe could fix his tone in little ways. What amp is he using? Off the top of my head, he definitely uses Chinese or Russian tubes. You gotta track down new old stock or used old tubes. Not cheap preamp tubes.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr 😂😂😂 this guy believes in NOS tube sound f hillarious
Got to love the v30 in a mix. The DV is a much better live experience. Those spikes in the v30 are not a good thing imo. Marshall’s custom spec v30’s are pleasant to the ear.
I prefer the Mesa 🇬🇧 V30 sound better than Marshall V30. But both are still great speakers unlike the 🇨🇳 crap V30 😝
@@bigchocolate8547 o, I forgot about those! Yes! Mesa cabs are he best!!
@@jeffmays7192 😎👍🏿
Yep I bet your peaches are shaking 😂
Direct comparison: 7:16
DV77 1:13
V30 6:47
Both 3:25
All that gear and 12fps