Celestion V30 vs Eminence DV-77 Engl Fireball Pro Cab
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Well... you tell me, lol. I wish the apparent 2 dB volume difference wasn't there but if you'll adjust your volume up when the Dv77 is playing it helps to decide which might be better. I'm leaning towards the V30 - am I crazy?
I didn’t know there’d be a ~2dB volume drop, so that could be it, but I think I like where the mids are placed better with the V30. I’ll give it a few more days...?
I like the DV77 better. It came across sounding tighter in the bass and smoother in the highs. However, it would be interesting to hear both in a mix. The harsher V30 might cut better.
Killer tone for both. DV77 sounds more balanced here, while V30 sounds like it's made to cut more in the mix.
Agreed \m/ I like the DV77 for lower tunings over the V30… C# anyone?
@@oldguyjammin9732 Haha C# is my default tuning. This is also the tuning of some of my fav bands : Dying Fetus, Misery Index, Down, Merauder ...
Probably the DV-77's. You gotta try WGS Retro 30's and their Reapers!
The DV is a totally different speaker. The Eminence VM12-65 which is sort of their V30 take, would be a better comparison. I will always have at least one cab with Mesa version V30s.
Right on, the DV77 has been getting so much attention as the “V30 Killer” that I thought I’d give it try. It ended up in a Marshall extension cab and really sounds good paired with the Creamback I have in the Marshall combo.
@@oldguyjammin9732 Nice! The DC is darker so should pair great with VM1265 which is what I'm doing.
Interesting since the VM12-65 is their version of the V30.
Cleans were even, but it is the gain where V30s fall to pieces. Just like the Tube Screamer, unless your rig is missing what they (V30 or TS) offer, skip the V30 (or TS).
These two speakers blended are insanely good sounding, I have 2 of each in my 4x12 in an X pattern. Awesomeness 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Dang man, you’re pushin’ a lot of air \m/ I like them mixed as well but have them in their own cabs. I envy you guys that can make use of a 4x12!! ME? I’m never further than 6’ from my amps :( but when I retire I’m gonna have a long sound proof room that lets me be well back from everything and turn it up a bit :)
@@oldguyjammin9732 I am just a stay at home guitar player now that I’ve retired. I use an attenuator to help with the decibel levels so I can turn up my amps. Plus I’m blessed that my bride and neighbors are cool about the volume. I run 4 separate rigs 4 amps/cabs plus my pair of 2000watt FRFR powered speakers that I use for my digital pedalboard. It all sounds massive even at bedroom-ish (lol) levels.
@@Joey_Tatts_Palmer - you’re living my dream man, but my own dream is taking shape as well. I’m working towards combos with matching cabs for Marshall (check), ENGL (check), Mesa (not yet), Orange (Not yet) but hey, “wanting it” keeps me working for the extra scratch :) oh ya, 10x20 room to put it all in (not yet) ;-)
thinking about putting one in with my v30 in my 2x12
Thanks, trying to decide between these two speakers for a cab build. Was set on the V30 but the DV has me thinking otherwise. Tool Suggestion ,You need an oscillating multi tool for making cuts like that. If you do a lot of work around the house its well worth it, use it more than I thought I would!
You're right, I need to get one of those tools. They look really great and now I have a personal recommendation! The speakers are very close to sounding the same imo. I ended up putting the V30 back in just because it sounded fine. imo the dv77 is a better mixer than stand alone.
DV-77 is a lot less spikey on the top end. More mellow than the V30.
So you prefer the DV... all right, thanks. I wish I had accounted for the 2 dB of volume loss but I didn’t know it would be there :( thanks for chiming in.
That vintage 30 harsh upper mids spike around 2khz and 4khz always need some taming. DV77 sounds more musical here.
V30s just sit in a mix so we'll.
These will mix well.
It's odd because DV77s are small dust caps which I would think would be bright.
Great vid, super helpful demo! Really tempted by the DV-77. With that cab are the wires soldered onto the speakers or is it clip on?
They are very close to the same thing imo, kind of depends how low you're gonna going with your tunings. This cab has clip on connects. The Mesa cabs are the only ones I've come across that are soldered.
@@oldguyjammin9732 Thanks!
sounds good
I’d say get a 212 and put them both in. I’m surprised it wasn’t a rear mounted speaker. Could u mount it from the inside? All my cabs are rear mounted , I know front loaded cabs can be brighter, but, just surprised you couldn’t mount it from the inside instead of modding your cab. But I just got the dv77, I have an omega cab with the vm12-65s in it, I’m going to put the dv in with that cab. To get a good mix
Need the 100watter to feel the potential of the DV77
Well that’s a shame, lol It sounds great but I think I’m leaning towards the V30. I’ll give it a few weeks, put the V30 back in and see.
@@oldguyjammin9732 Yeah, I was always a V30 guy. And I still might be
@@BradRocker - I played my Marshall through that ENGL cab with the DV in it and was pretty impressed... may have found a home for that sucker.
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They both sounded great. I was hoping you were using the mesa V30 speaker against the dv-77. Either way great video. You said the dv-77 was 16ohms?
Funny you should mention the Mesa V30 cause my Rectoverb came with a “mesa UK made V30” and I hated it - very spiky and harsh imo. I went through a few speakers and settled on the Chinese made V30 and liked it quite a bit better. The dv-77 is a great speaker but too terrible different from the V30... tends towards Swampthang. Some time I’d like to try a Texas Heat in my Marshall, had a SwampThang in it but lost too much of the top end sparkle. Didn’t like the V30 in the Marshall either, went with a G12M Creamback but you know how it goes, lots of great amps and speakers out there, finding the matching that soothes the soul is the trick ;-)
I prefer the vintage 30 ... they have more high mids from what i can hear here ...
Speaker swaps are “hit and miss” imo and because you can’t often return a speaker, it can get expensive. I’ve settled on G12M Creambacks for Marshall type amps, DV77 for drop tuned metal and Heritage Greenback for rock - that’s my top three.
Hey OG! Still down a rabbit hole somewhere 🤣. Nothing in it to my cloth ears.
DV-77 all the way... I have a Fireball on the way. From this I can already see it is a good match with the my DV-77 speaker
Yep, both great speakers in the right situation. I actually put the V30 back in the Engl cab and put the DV-77 in a separate enclosure but I may switch it back for fun. That DV really growls.
I have a 2×12 slanted vertical arachnid cabinet with my fireball 25. Loaded with dv77. Sound killer but im thinking of swapping out one for a v30.
What Strat model are you playing at the end? It sounds very nice and I don't hear any hum with the relatively high gain setting you used.
It's actually a POS Behringer strat that I brought back from the crap pile for a friend of mine. One of one challenges, lol
Which V30s are you using? Made in UK or made in China? Definitely a sound quality difference between the two.
Hey Girls - I’ve listened to both and actually prefer the China made speaker. Mesa uses the UK versions are they have a mid range spike that I find harsh. I imagine I’m using the Chinese speaker.
Great vid. I’ve just bought a Fireball 25 and am in the market for a new cab. I have an old JCM900 with a 2x12 fitted with Celestion G12T-75’s and to my ear it sounds pretty crappy. I was considering the Engl 2x12 but a colleague suggested 120w capacity on the V30’s won’t get enough of a work-out with the Fireball 25. Bottom line: I’m confused! What’s your thoughts on the best cab fit for the Fireball 25 now that you’ve had a chance to live with it?
I agree that G12-75s are a bit flat, sometimes that's what you want but probably not with a Marshall or Engl. Your colleague may like the sound of "speaker distortion" versus amp distortion.Those V30s will respond great with that Engl and WON'T distort, so you'll just hear what your amp is putting out. Low watt speakers naturally break up at lower volumes producing a farty, flarpy sound that some guys really like. I prefer tight and punchy. I'd go with your Engl 2x12 (matching will just be sick!) and if you feel up to it, swap one of those V30s out for a Eminence SwampThang - if you tend towards hard rock/metal. Also between the brit made V30 and china made V30 I prefer the china version, go figure!?!?
@@oldguyjammin9732 I’ve noticed you have the Engl 1x12 cab. Do you think the 2x12 is a better match than the 1x12?
@@MrSleskus I wouldn't say 'better' but would depend on the application. playing out live with a band, I'd go 2x12. Playing at home or the occasional small gig I'd go 1x12. Bigger cabs tend to have more bass and are naturally a bit louder cause you're pushing more air. I sometimes really like the honesty of a single, pushed 1x12.
@@oldguyjammin9732 thanks for the honest opinion. It’s a difficult decision because they both have their pros & cons.
Hmmm. I like my running of a V30 w/ Eminence Manowar speakers. It’s a snarling mix IMO. Perhaps if you have an Eminence Manowar somewhere try that combination for us to see/hear. I’ve no YT saavy recording gear to offer a comparison either but they sound awesome.
Right on, I ended up with the DV-77 in a separate cab so I can throw it in the mix when ever. Right now I’m pairing it with a G12M Creamback in my Marshall rig and it sounds really good. SOO Many speakers out there?!!? Emminence makes great stuff, Manowar, Governor, Swampthang \m/
Well I'm not sure it was worth carving up that spendy matching cab. Engle chose the V30 for a reason. Too bad the Marshall won't accommodate two 8 ohm cabs. My 5150 III will take two 8 or 16ohm speakers. Preferred the Celestion by the way.
Thanks for your opinion, I’m kind of with you but the Engl has a mid-boost that changes things in an interesting way, I’ll give it a bit and see. I never mind a little ‘carving’ here or there, seems it’s part of the journey.
It‘s always the same discussion - the V30 is too harsh, to many highs, and, and, and…
But the V30 is one of the best speaker for metal.
In my opinion the combination of both speakers is the best solution. The aggression of the V30 and the bottom of the DV-77.
I’m with you, I ran a SwampThang with a V30 for a while and it was very nice. Now I run a Creamback M with the DV-77 in separate 1x12 cabs and am really happy with it.
You may like the Hesu Demon
@@Reign_In_Blood_963 I wanna try this Hesu speaker.
Never bet against a UK Vintage 30. Anything, and I mean anything from China no matter what brand speaker will be crap.
DV77 all day..tighter and less spikey to me
YES!
Subtle, maybe better, maybe not
Depending on taste..I'm 50-50 😆
Nice riffing man
I returned my slo30 and opted for a freidman jj Jr.
3 grand for the slo30 isn't worth it....to me.
Those JJ Jrs created a lot of buzz, can you say how it differed from a Marshall? When I listen to it online it always just seems like another Marshall.
@@oldguyjammin9732 it's definitely a Marshall thing. A boosted Marshall thing.lol I guess I'm drawn to that tone.If you haven't checked out killertonetexas Jason frankhouser
I'd recommend it.The guys a Marshall, dual rec.extraordinaire
“But who knows…” anyone with ears, or who takes measurements.
Another video showing the dv77 sucking. Get the cv75.
ahh, the ol' Redcoat. Another nice speaker when matched with the right amp. I've learned that its not so much that a particular speaker 'sucks' but rather it hasn't found it's niche or pairing with the right amp that pleases the tonal desires of the player.
Should put both into a 2x12 cab. Will sound killer.
It is a good mix. I have found that the V30 is good for traditionally tuned metal, drop D and whatnot, but the DV-77 is a new beast tuned to really accentuate today's drop B metal. Worth it if you're down in that range.
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