The Galion TL Speakers are SPECIAL
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- When I bought my amp from @ThomasAndStereo , the Galion TS Voyager TL speakers weren't yet available. They are now!
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Thanks, Rick, glad you enjoy them. They are extremely musical and a great match with highly resolving amps. So they do work great with the TS120SE and for some strange reasons, their synergy with the TS A75 is very good. Yeah, truth is, you only need a lot of power to get high volume, but if you don't listen at high volume, 30w is way enough. Also, a big shout out the Dr. Viet the designer of these speakers.
Enjoy them immensely, Thomas. Looking forward to hearing them through the A75 (as well as my main speakers).
Is there room for improvement with these? Could you switch out the drivers for something higher-end?
@@stuartwiner7920 For me this is one type of sound that works. You can of course change the drivers but you will need to rework the crossover to give you a different sound.
Thomas and Dr. Viet spent more than a few hours with an on-line simulator to arrive at the desired voicing for both these and the smaller sealed TS model. This is only one of many reviews since their introduction that speak to their musicality rather than just their performance in objective measurements. That said, it’d be interesting to see Erin put a pair through his Klippel set up.
Upgrading your upstream gear, and more importantly your room would almost certainly deliver more “improvements”.
Thanks🙏, Rick. It's always interesting for me to see what's happening on the other side of the pond. Very interesting how call it. Transmission line is what they call it. Nothing really new. But, it doesn't really matter either. The main thing is that your and listener's ears 👂👂make really great eyes 👀.
I recently bought the small ones from our German manufacturer " Fischer & Fischer ". And they are also called "small", the German word for "klein".
Fischer & Fischer makes loudspeakers from pure slate. Yes, from slate the rock. The great thing about them is that they don't vibrate at all. Zero point zero vibration on the housing.
A bass as dry as the Nevada desert. I was told it's very dry there. Additional a silky-smooth dome tweeter, as is apparently also the case with here at the Galions. You can put a full glass of water on these speakers and play them at full volume. It won't overflow. If anything, the glass will shatter. The KLEIN speakers are also musical.
I could well imagine that they would harmonise very well with your tube system.
Please keep up the good work. Have a great weekend. May the music be with you. Servus from Bavaria.
Hi! Great to hear from you! I hadn't heard of the pure slate speakers. I have heard of a company that makes them out of granite but the name of the company escapes me at the moment. Have a great weekend!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsAcora in Canada makes Grabite speakers. It might be them. Also Artist Cloner makes a few Slate Veneer Speakers, and a New Steam Punk Speaker with Slate Woofer Boxes. Pretty cool company. HiFi is so fun, and the people are the best. Love seeing you enjoy it through your videos as well.
GM ☕️
Greetings …I hope you get to meet Thomas one day ..I’ve found him to be thoroughly delightful.
I hope so too, Carmine 🍺
I believe thomas stated that a transmission line, aka few pieces of wood are expensive to produce.
Thanks for the heads up on the band GA 20 a short while ago. Saw them last night at a small 300 seat venue and they blew me away.
Hey that's great. I can't get enough of them. Seen them four times already with my brother. Where were they last night?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords saw them in Jim Thorpe, Pa at the Mauch Chunk Opera House. Great 300 seat venue. Built over 100 years ago.
Wow. That’s awesome!
11:26 nice!
Have a great weekend
You too, Carmine!
Thank you for the review!
I got the smaller sibling, the TS Voyager, bamboo enclosure. They are for near-field listening and use them as desktop speakers while working, so they are just about 3 feet from my ears. I mainly listen at low volume, but sometimes at mid volume. Really enjoyable and definitely musical, especially after the break in period. I knew when I bought them they only go down to 80 Hz, which is fine for the low volumes, but miss the lower bass for mid-volume listening. So I added a small subwoofer, REL Tzerro m3. By no means a house shaker but it delivers and has made the listening experience fully enjoyable.
With the transmission line speakers i don’t think I would have needed a sub, but the TL speakers would have been too big to place on my working desk. By the way, another reviewer also loved the TLs and thought they sound best with the half-foam plug.
Hi Walid! Great to hear about the TS Voyager. Great looking speaker. I don't think you'd need a sub at all with the TLs. The bass is really there.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I don't think i would need a sub for the TLs either. I'm thinking of getting a pair for my bedroom for Christmas :).
If you do let me know what you think.
Sounds like an interesting speaker. Personally, I've become a fan of very high efficiency speakers that are lively. I've had my Zu DW speakers for about 3 years now, and I can't imagine changing to something else. I also prefer floor standers as opposed to bookshelf or stand mounts. I haven't heard a bookshelf speaker that could provide the same scale as a good floor stander. But this is why we have options. Not everyone likes the same thing. It seems like Thomas has a lot of great products to offer.
I really came close to pulling the trigger on the Zu's myself, Neil. Great speaker.
Hello Rick, been enjoying your channel since I ran across it a few months ago and I hope Thomas will lend you that amplifier to do a review on because I’m seriously considering purchasing that one. I already have a class A Fisher tube amplifier and I’m looking into another solid state.
Hi John! The A75 just came in so I should have a review ready in a couple weeks. Stay tuned!
Love the look of them.
I do too. Sound is ultimate but aesthetics are important as well 🍺
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI have that same Thorens TD166 . My roommate came home with it in 1986 and I was hooked. He used it a month maybe when cds came out. Went in storage for 23 years or so then with much asking , he gave it to me a few years back. Probably didn’t have 20 hour on it. My pride and joy :)
This is something pretty unique if you think about it. When we buy a speaker from just about any company, we can't put a face to the product. A lot of us know Thomas from his videos, and he seems like the kind of guy who gives good advice and wouldn't want to sell us just anything. Not surprised that it seems to be a quality product.
I do have speakers by certain companies, but what I also do is to substitute near world class midrange drivers into more modest 3 way speakers. I can't afford 30k speakers, but I do want at least a midrange that sounds like a 30k speaker's midrange. Good tweeters are cheap, I sometimes substitute a better one for the original.and I use a seperate sub which takes over around 100 hertz. I have to make sure that the substituted midrange & tweeters have sensitivity and impedence in the same ballpark as the more modest midranges that have been screwed out and sit unused in another room. It works out very well for me. The midrange is really where most of the music and magic is at. Sometimes someone I know well, asks me what loudspeakers do you use? I can honestly say, "I don't know." They're all kind of hybrids.
One of these days I'll take the plunge and get into modding speakers and all. Haven't the guts to try yet 😂😂
Sometimes the wires from the crossover have enough extra length that that if you put the midrange driver on top of the cabinet for maximum airiness, they'll reach. If not you can just twist some extra wire onto it. When you remove an original driver, it's not usually soldered at the driver end; just clips for easy disconnection.Places like Madisound will sell you any of a whole line of drivers from prestigious driver manufacturers. Their advice is supposed to be good. In your usual $8,000/pr. speaker, you do not get drivers as good as what places like that will sell you for $700; or about half of that used. I can't recall ever being sold a used driver that doesn't work. work.DIY people are nice people.
I am Looking at Grabbing these for a Nice High Quality Computer Room system for gaming/music. Ill chuck a good sub in, about 20 class A watts-70 watts class D. Depending on what I feel works with it. Super cool. An Yes they look really great.
They really do look great
Great review! Love this channel!
Thank you, Redstarwraith!
Excellent Review - well done
Cheers, Mark ! 🍺
Don't feel bad about the name of the new S/S amp. I have an E.A.R. Model 890 tube amp that puts out 70 wts(?). I once had a S/S amp, model 135 that put out 130 wts (?).
LOL - thanks Tom!
Interesting. I have a special version of a TL speaker, a 1/4 wave Voight tube, as implemented in the Sibelius SG floor standing speakers; it needs a bit more length to accommodate bass waves of ~12 m wave length. A bit more sensitive at 87 dB (I think), and work perfectly fine with my 20W PassLabs pure class A amp. I wonder whether the power recommendation for the Gallion speaker is because of non-linear impedance = impedance dips at certain frequencies. I found a frequency response curve on Gallion website, but no frequency vs resistance graph. I am with you re volumes: 75 dB tops, frequently even lower. If my back of the envelope math is correct, with 84 dB sensitivity at 2 m (~8 ft) and SPL of 75 dB, we are talking 1/4 W range. Add a factor of 4 for irregular impedance/bass thuds, and you are at 1 W.
Re thin cabinet, I can see the argument for a passive radiator, but those are typically round and mounted like a speaker. I wonder about nasty resonances at cabinet corners (similar to room corners) with such a thin-walled cabinet. The internal bracing for the TL set-up may help. The Sibelius are made from 1.5" solid oak.
You never fail to impress me. Math has always been my weakest subject and I marvel at folks who are good at it.
I listen 98% to rock/metal and pretty loud, would you recommend these speakers?
Got a 2X200w 8ohm amp.
I played Priest, Maiden, and Sabbath through them and they sounded great. I think with your amp you'll get even better sound.
First thing that struck me......."You are no longer in control......we control the horizontal.....we control the vertical.......you are now entering......THE REALLY COOL STUFF ZONE!!
And then came the Monty Python skit....."you can use the phuphome, or you can use the haffome, or you can use knowphome!" I was rolling on the floor laughing!!! Oh, wait...I meant ROTFL! Anyway, seriously, a speaker doesn't need so many watts if they are QUALITY watts. We here in the audiophile community only listen to the most expensive QUALITY watts available, sending the very best vibrations available through QUALITY air, which we purchase from the most discriminating audiophile air shops, usually in 50 gallon bottles (highly compressed to deliver only the BEST listening atmosphere you can listen in. We even provide quality....wait...something
s in the way here.....think I got around it.....anyway, like I was saying...audiophile grade compressed air in economically sized bottles; remember, "If you have to ask how much it costs......YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT!" So......(glances around guiltily....."Hey mister, just how much IS that big speaker with the big bafflers on the bottom, huh?")
"No Longer in Control...." that was Outer Limits right? 😂😂😂
I need to get some of those QUALITY air bottles. I've tried the small sampler cans but they just don't seem to cut it.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords You didn't open the one marked SCHLITZ on the can, did you? No wonder your midrange sounded sounded like the knights that go NIT NIT NIT!!!!! And yes, that was an homage to the Outer Limits, because audiophiles typically HAVE no limits!
I ran from the Knights. I was too busy fighting a killer rabbit.
They're too big for deskop. Anyway, they do something unusual with these, which is they tell you which drivers are installed. You can buy the tweeter for $40 and the midwoofer for $60. I appreciate the transparency, but I have to ask - would more pricy drivers make a difference? I feel like it's hard to buy when the components are sort of mid-level.
It's a good question, Stuart. Unfortunately I don't know if that would be the case.
5:45 Desktop 😳🫨
How does it compare with your KLH, sonic wise?
They are both musical speakers but the KLH has a slightly higher sensitivity so I can get more out of them. As I don't listen loud (smaller room) I don't push the volume. I can't see ever giving up the Model 5s - very smooth, but these speakers would be a top choice for bookshelf speakers on a pair of sturdy stands.
klh5 impressed me with wide freq: highs and lows.
pmc TL bkshelves couldnt match such wide freq but former's lows is unique but coudnt describe how. maybe lower/fuller but not as big as klh.
one thing for sure: PMC TL luvs power.
thanks for sharing. Another TL to hunt down
@@Exgol2005Ooh, interesting, I had the PMC Prodigy 1 in my sights. You suggest the KLH Model 5?
@@MadLadsAnonymous Yes.
Thoughts on speaker stands?
I use the DS200 stands from Pangea Audio. I bought them a couple years ago and filled them with stand - amzn.to/4alzR6P
6:19 I just picked it up Crescent is great ..and Drum Thing is 🫨👍👍
Really is a great record. I've listened to it a few times now.
For $1200 each they'd better be. 😁 *edit - For 2! pretty cool to have the website owner comment and respond to the website setup! That's some customer service right there. If anyone would like to donate some cash i'll even do a review 😉
Actually $1200 a pair 😊
@@ThomasAndStereo I went to their website, and it says "Speaker" for $1200 and they are sold in pairs. I take that as $1200 each, but i may be wrong? I DID have it as $1200 total before i edited my post lol
@@IDPhotoMan The fact that you misunderstood means there is still improvement needed on the website, let me take care of that.
@@ThomasAndStereo Oh wow, i didn't know you were in charge of it. Awesome of you to take a criticism to heart, especially misplaced criticism. Honestly, i'm drooling over these things lol.
@@IDPhotoManThanks!
What is that record you mentioned? is it by John Coltrane?
the record is called Crescent !
Yes! Sorry. Should have been more specific if I wasn’t.