🎹 Roland FP10: What's New? Updated Review & Demo Roland FP10 🎹
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Introduction
While the FP-10 may not be available everywhere, it is one remarkable digital piano because, in this $500 to $600 instrument, Roland has included an action that normally is reserved for $2,000 to $3,000 pianos. When using headphones, the FP-10 plays almost as well as a piano worth two to three times its price. For high-level players looking for a slim form factor, a really friendly budget, and an instrument that will be used almost exclusively with headphones, this is a compelling option.
Action
The PHA-4 action is used in many Roland synthesizers and digital pianos. In an instrument category where competitors are using lightweight, stripped-back versions of their actions to match the price point, Roland has not stripped anything out of their action, which means it still includes escapement, a triple sensor, and a premium key surface.
Features
There are other compromises Roland has made to offset the premium action.
The speakers consist of two, six-watt downward-facing speakers that will not represent the true quality of the piano tone unless the keyboard is connected to an external sound system or headphones.
Without the new BMC chip, there are only 96 notes of polyphony.
There are only a few dozen onboard sounds, and the General MIDI 2 soundbank is unavailable from the app because the architecture is not loaded into the keyboard.
The FP-10 has the most basic digital piano functions; such as transpose, metronome, and layering.
If you’re considering this for use as a weighted MIDI input device, or a practice keyboard for a small room, this is a great option.
Stu’s Thoughts
Despite the scaled-back architecture, there are still resonance engines operating. While not the latest version, it is the full SuperNATURAL, sample-based engine being employed that would have been included in higher-level pianos five years ago. This is very impressive for this price point.
When considering whether to purchase a higher-level piano like a Roland FP-30, a Yamaha P-145, or P-225, or Kawai’s ES120 it comes down to budget. If it is critical to be substantially below $1,000 and the action is your top priority, then the FP-10 is the obvious choice. If you need a keyboard that you will be playing without the headphones, and you need other functionality like Bluetooth audio or better output options to sound systems, this is where the FP-10 starts to fall short. Roland has cut back on some of these features in order to get the FP-10 to the required price point while still including the PHA-4 action.
In addition to the acoustic pianos, the FP-10 also has classic Roland electric pianos, organs, and pads.
Final Thoughts
The FP-10 is reminiscent of the Kawai KDP75 where the focus is on the piano tone and experience with the difference being a lower price point than the KDP75 as well as a better piano experience. This assumes that you don’t need a full case, a triple pedal system, or some of the other features mentioned above and that your top priority is a really solid acoustic piano sound with the best possible action at the lowest possible price.
With this in mind, the FP-10 is a really interesting option.
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What I like about the FP-10 or FP-30x models is the spartan minimalism in its design with exceptional attention to the features of an acoustic piano.
I couldn't agree more! They are very well-streamlined to put the value where it counts the most: the core piano experience. :)
The Roland sound is so warm and so easy on tired ears. I could listen to Stu play it nonstop to the end of time. I can say that it can help any aspiring pianist to practice long hours with little breaks.
For sure! It really does have an impressive sound to match its impressive touch. :)
You never fail to deliver the most important information we buyers are looking for on your product reviews, always spot on sir! Thank you so much!
Thanks so much for tuning in! We're glad you have found Stu's reviews and comparisons to helpful! :)
love these videos so much, even as someone who has a great Roland and isn't in the market to buy right now
Thank you kindly! We really appreciate those kind words! :)
Thanks for your videos, and detailing the very niche Roland fp-10 occupies, which is almost exactly what I was looking for. Great action that will translate to midi performance and sampled passages, as well as a capable instrument to work out ideas on when songwriting. As piano is not my main instrument but so useful for a.multitude of reasons when putting songs together, this is really the best of all options. With the field at this price point being so cluttered, I really appreciate the attention to detail here and on the other best in class models.
You're very welcome! We're happy to hear that you found this FP10 deep dive helpful. It is a formidable piano that certainly outperforms its price tag. :)
I love my FP-10, it's one year old and it's awesome! Key parameters were small form factor and the best key action possible. I thought I will dislike it's sound, planned to be a midi controller but as this became the main practice piano of my daughter this is perfect as it is! Thanks for the prev. review too. It was a big kick to choose this one.
You're very welcome! Thanks so much for the kind words! We're glad you found the review helpful and that you've been enjoying everything the amazing Roland FP10 has to offer. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
I got mine used tor cheap April of 2021 and gigged with it and a VR-730 for several months until I got my FA-08 which replaced it. I still have it and use it to practice on when I don't have time between gigs to get out the VR and FA.
For those wondering, yes, all of them use the same acoustic piano samples. The FA-08 has the Ivory Feel-G action that is a bit lighter and quicker than the PHA-4. Both are triple sensor. It plays almost exactly the same as the FP-10.
The VR-730 has a double sensor Fatar keybed that simulates a Hammond B-3 organ keyboard feel and action. Even though the piano samples are the same, the play-ability is very different. The transitions in between the samples of the note's dynamics are smooth with the triple sensor keybeds. Not so with the double sensor VR. From what I can tell from Roland's page on the VR, the pianos are not SuperNatural. Only the synth section. So that could also be why too. However, when I MIDIed my FA to the VR, playing pianos sounds were very similar. No night and day difference. But noticeable if you know what to listen for.
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for tuning in and taking the time to share your experiences with these various pianos! The FP10 certainly holds up as an excellent instrument. Your comments regarding the triple-sensor actions and their smoother dynamic transitions are very on point. It are nuanced details like that which make the FP10 even that much more impressive! :)
I'm 3 years into playing my FP-10 and I love it, thanks for this review of the updated model. I use headphones about 50% of the time, mostly when I'm learning a new piece and playing a section over and over and over, because I don't want to drive my wife crazy. But I am fine with the speakers also, and occasionally get a "Well done!" from my wife.
That is awesome to hear! They're fantastic pianos and you really can't go wrong with the price point. Glad to hear you're making some awesome progress with your FP10! Thanks again and happy playing! :)
Hello! Have you had any problems with annoying key noises?
The piece played from 2:43 to 3:57 is incredibly inspiring in both sound quality and composition!
Thanks for tuning in! We're glad you enjoyed Stu's playing! :)
Thank you! I’m a mixing engineer and have recently gotten interested in learning piano. I was looking for a MIDI keyboard with graded weighted keys, but then I realized that digital pianos from Yamaha & Roland might be better options, as these companies have decades of research in making actions close to a real piano. Then I came across Roland’s PHA4 action, so I stopped there, as Roland uses it in their higher-end models, so it must be good.
You're very welcome! The FP10 and FP30X models would be well aligned with what you're looking for. They both double as excellent MIDI controllers thanks to their fantastic actions and sensor systems. :)
I have to thank you Stu! I trusted in your expert, accurate and belivable reviews so I bought the FP10 a week ago. I'm really very impressed by this piano! I was just looking for a not too expensive keyboard for gigs, with no frills, that was light, with a great piano tone and a good action as near as possible to a real acoustic piano, and the FP10 is exactly that. Incredible for its price! The only shortcoming is the headphone mini jack as one and only output, but it's enough a proper split cable to go easy into a mixer or an amplified speaker. And by the app you can also enable the internal speakers as personal monitor to increase the contact with the keyboard and a good sound presence. Thanks again. Awesome piano!
Hi! Brent here! Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing this! We're glad to hear that Stu's reviews and comparisons helped you through your decision making process. The FP10 is an impressive piano for the money. I'm confident you'll be quite thrilled with it! :)
Excuse me for the dumb question but what is it you are using? I bought mine as a secondhand, still in premium condition but it does not come with a box and a manual.
I bought the FP-30X and really like it. I'm considering getting this as a travel piano when I'm away working. Its a bit more portable and still has the great action and piano sound through headphones. The fp-30x can stay at home.
Congrats on your FP30X! They are fantastic pianos. The FP10 would make a wonderful second instrument/travel companion. Given the use of the same PHA4 action and SuperNATURAL tone engine, it will offer a very consistent core playing experience for you. :)
That's one of my pianos (my others are both Kawai - ES8 and CN29). It really compares very favourably with them. The action is really very satisfying, and the piano sounds are ALL good (on the Kawai only the SK-EX does it for me). Also, the new app (Roland Piano App) is really useful and, perhaps a small point, but important for me, works on your phone or tablet in either portrait or landscape format. The sound at 02:46 blows me away!
Congrats! It sounds like you have quite the impressive arsenal of awesome digital pianos! I definitely agree with your sentiments on the FP10. It really outperforms its price tag in my opinion. :)
I really love my fp-10. You can really become in touch with this instrument. I've cried many times playing my favourite pieces. I also have such an effortless experience playing acoustic piano because of the action. I personally got this instrument becuase i just want the experiece of a real piano, so i dont really mess around with other sound effects like Casio may offer. Oh and the roland apps are great. One of the Roland apps let me customize each key and i really did tune every key to my liking. You can even adjust the piano action from 0 - 100%. Such range allows for that perfect action feel you may be looking for. Such an incredible intrument from an exceltional brand.
Congrats on your FP10! We are very happy to hear that you are enjoying it. It is a wonderful piano with a great touch and tone. It is virtually impossible to compete with it given its price point. Thanks so much for writing in and sharing your experiences with this amazing digital piano! We appreciate it. :)
This was very imp, this is the first time I saw you focusing and mentioning of the budget, which is the most important factor for many of us, especially poor countries. The piano action is really the fundamental feature budding pianists look for, hence, this video is very well focused for a lot of people. I did not think about this at all before, as i didnt know that a basic model would have that great action. I will keep this in mind in case I get to buy one in future. thanks.
You're very welcome! I certainly agree with the sentiment. Budget will always be an important consideration for most piano shoppers. That is especially true during financially strained times. Thanks for the kind words! We're glad you found the video helpful! :)
@@MerriamPianos it is the most important factor for all even for rich people bec if everyone could afford they would simply pick the top model, wouldn't bother about any comparisons.
Before buying it I tried all kinds of pianos from a major music store, both acoustic grand pianos and digital ones.
For me, the Roland pha4 key is the best of all because it offers a very good response when I play pieces that require more technique, like when I play bass notes in ragtime pieces, or Chopin pieces. I need a good key bounce and that's what I get with the fp10. I have the impression that my fingers are placed on their own, there is no resistance to make rapid passages. Which gives me great satisfaction and I can spend hours playing and enjoying.
The 6 watt speakers have better bass presence than the 8 watt Casio. Probably due to the design of the piano which makes a better reasoning box.
The FP10 and its PHA4 action are certainly quite impressive (especially for the money)! Congrats on your FP10! Thanks for tuning in and happy playing! :)
I started looking for an FP-10 a few years ago as I started learning piano during lockdown. Saw a bundle at Costco a month ago called FRP-2-ACR which actually does come with an FP-10 (and stand, bench, headphones) for $500. Took some time to ponder leaving the Casio I have, but I pulled the trigger yesterday even though the price had gone up to $550 USD. Still a smoking deal considering bare FP-10s are at $600. As mentioned, the Roland PHA-4 is amazing and can't be understated, it makes my Casio graded hammer action almost feel like a toy. With the money I saved, I bought a very nice tablet to use with the piano so it basically has a massive screen now, too. I feel like if your skills exceed the capabilities of the FP-10, you are probably out there making a living playing proper pianos. This is great for everyone else.
Congrats on your FRP-2-ACR! The FP10 and PHA4 actions are amazing, especially given their price point. They offer a satisfying musical experience that even high-level players appreciate. You certainly can't go wrong with that investment! Thanks for tuning in! :)
Great job, as always. I went ahead and bought the fp10 a few months ago after watching the original review, and I agree with everything said in the review. I'm currently looking for some budget friendly headphones to get the most out of the instrument. I would really appreciate some suggestions. Thanks for the great work!
Hi! Brent here! Congrats on your FP10! It is a fantastic piano with a great tone and touch. In terms of headphones, the Roland RH5 are really solid for the money and well matched sonically for Roland's piano tones. :)
@MerriamPianos Thanks for the recommendation, just ordered them online!
I bought this machine for $500 at the end of 2019. It is still in good condition. During the period, I only took it apart and re-applied glue to restore the elasticity of the keys. It is a perfect instrument. I hope roland can make a new version of this model, for example, add a new one on the left side. Scroll wheel or improved keyboard.
Congrats on securing the wonderful FP10 at a very good price! It is a very impressive instrument for the money. It will be interesting to see if Roland updates the model in the near future! :)
A big thank you for this new review of the fp10. Your demonstration sounds great, you are an excellent pianist.
This piano is considered an entry-level piano for beginners. I think it should be considered for both professionals and beginners. What is most important for a professional pianist is the sound of the piano, the key action. The other functions are not that important. Oscar Peterson doesn't play on a piano that has lots of sounds and functions! One piano sound and no functions.
Many people complain about the 6 watt speakers. Have they compared it with other 6 watt pianos? The sound is better than many 8 watt pianos. If 6 watts isn't enough, you can always plug it into an amp! And it's better to have 6 watts than no watts like the $5000 Nord piano!
The polyphony is 96 notes. It's less than many digital pianos today, but it's really not a problem. At 96 notes we never lack polyphony even with the most complex pieces.
And in terms of transport, I believe that the FP10 is the lightest of the best transportable pianos. Value for money, it's the best.
You're very welcome! There is no question that the FP10 is a fantastic piano that presents an impressive cost-to-value ratio. To your points, we actually have many top-level players and promotional musicians that purchase the FP10 as a lightweight, portable piano that they can use to practice on when travelling or away from their primary instrument at home. The only real limitation is the lack of triple pedal support. In any case, it is an impressive offering from Roland! :)
Nice work Stu
A lot of pop for $600 a must for newbies
Absolutely! It is a killer piano for the price point! :)
thank you :)
You're welcome! :)
Hello! It seems that this series of videos comes at the right time. Excuse me, have you tried the Roland Go:88p? Do you think it would also be a good purchase?
Hi there! The Roland GO88 certainly has its perks (affordability, portability, etc.). However, in my opinion, the FP10 is a meaningful step up from it, particularly in regard to the action. It all depends on the context of use though.
Thank you for your reviews of the Roland digital pianos. You said the FP 10 is sampled sounds. Do you notice a big difference between Roland’s sampled sounds versus their modeled sounds? I like the look of the Hp 702 but, from what I can tell, it is all modeled sounds. I would love to hear your thoughts on Roland sampled vs. modeled sound engines. Thank you!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in! Stu actually covered this very topic in a video, which you can check out here:
ruclips.net/video/avrdiSfxvO0/видео.html
Thank you very much for your fantastic work. The Roland FP 10 has always been my first choice for purchase, but I'm concerned that many users have complained about a clicking sound in the keys after a few months of use. Do these issues still exist in 2023, or was it something that happened to the early models? Thank you very much.
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for tuning in and writing in! The FP10 is a heckuva piano and a model that is very difficult to compete with at this price point. While I have read about some users experiencing "clicky" keys on PHA4 actions, this is not something we've experienced a ton of with the Roland pianos we have brought in. Furthermore, Roland is using a new grease that seems to correct this issue for users that experience the problem, which is covered under warranty.
Interestingly, after going back and forth for a long time (including FP-90X, Yamaha P-515 and P-225), I recently got Roland FRP-2-ACR combo that includes FP-10-ACR (128 polyphony and slightly different sounds). I am going to use it as MIDI controller for my home practice (I also practice on Yamaha C7). I had to agree with Stu that PHA-4 is a good digital piano action for classical music players (I could not handle the contrast between Yamaha C7 action and GHC). I just stopped testing how noisy the action is and accept that Stu was right. 😊
Thank you Stu. I appreciate your reviews and value your opinion.
Michael
Hi Michael! Brent from Merriam Music here! Congrats on your new FP10-ACR. It is a solid piano with a great, reliable touch. Inevitably, there will always be a little bit of mechanical key noise to deal with (particularly when you get into actions that provide a heavier, more authentic touch). Thanks again and happy playing! :)
Glad you like it. For me I just wished they could have refined the touch responce on the PHA4 to make it more compareable with GHS and RHC, although it might efect the price.
Also I tried a Hamburg Steinway V about a week ago, and I just didn't want to leav. Perhaps oneday. LOL!
Anyway that's my only problem with the PHA4 other than that it's good🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 If I had been younger and had bigger house, I would not even bother with digital piano. I returned P-225 because the action was too much different from the action of Yamaha C7. PHA-4 is closer to the feel of C7 action (especially the harder feel of the “bottom” than what GHS represents). Another issue was that both GHS and GHC are hard to press closer to the fulcrum. PHA-4 has a longer pivot and is better in this respect.
@@mfurman yeah I get your point. Those are probably the only things I like avout PHA4.
I also tried a Boston and an Essex. Both were almost the same size as the NY Steinway S that I also tried there, and I also learned Steinway no longer makes the Model S in Hamburg. The only piano with the noticeable let-off is the Essex that also had a very melo sound. Too melo for my tast.
BTW what do you think of my new name? Haha🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Love the new name 😄
Thank you. Among Grandtouch-S (GT-S) af træ, PHA - 50 and Grand Feel Action 3 (GFIII) what action do you prefer pers.?
I've been really enjoying the feeling of my p525 (gts). Hadn't had a chance to try the others. My only real complaint is the p525 action is a bit loud (like when the key hits the bottom of its travel) with volume on 30%
Hi! Brent here! It really comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. For me, it would come to a toss up between the GFIII and the PHA50. I would give a slight edge to the PHA50, but just slight.
Hi Stu! Great review. One question though, for a pure key action perspective what would you choose between Kawaii ES120 or Roland FP-10? It is going to be my first digital piano and i am going to use it for practising classical and jazz only. My only criteria is, it being as close to an acoustic piano. Thanks!!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! While it all comes down to personal taste, I would personally give an edge to the FP10 and the PHA4 action. It is a heavier touch with escapement, which plays more like an acoustic grand piano.
@@MerriamPianos Thanks a lot!
I was fortunate enough to get it a few months ago for a mere 380 euros. I'm very pleased with it. Only a few points which could have been better:
- The audio ouput power is quite weak. I wanted to plug it into my THX speakers for a better rendering but even at almost max volume the power is still too low. The best is to put a headphone ampli to get the missing power (you can find good ones for 30 euros).
- The reverb is not so great as what I can hear it. Is it the embedded one you used ? Maybe it's because I listened through the speakers. Anyway it can't go far and is not very configurable.
- The sheet music holder is too small. I think the casio CTS1 of my mother has a taller one which is important when you're using simple sheet of paper so that it does not fold.
Otherwise, this is really insane in term of qualities and pleasure to play.
Thanks for writing in with your insights about the FP10! Needless to say, for the money, it is not going to be a perfect instrument with every possible feature. However, as you pointed out, the musical offering for the price point is pretty crazy! It is a very impressive instrument for its price tag. :)
Are your THX speakers active? Logically, you can't drive passive speakers from a headphone socket, but I understand that headphone signals are typically on the high side (rather than low side) for line signal. Still, I'm not too surprised that there are problems, since these basic entry level pianos (P-45 included) were never designed for external amplification. Myself, I won't touch anything lacking pucker line-outs, unless it's an acoustic instrument. Thanks to user insistence, line-outs have become almost universal. Next should be stereo line-in, and a battery use option for all portable pianos.
I've had an FP10 for about a year, and I agree with the review. It is important to note that the built-in speakers are quite bad. Not only are they only 6w, but they are also downward-facing, and the end result is pretty awful. Of course, if you plug in some decent studio monitors, you can bypass this issue.
The FP10's strength is really the core piano experience (action and piano sample). The speakers leave a little to be desired, but, as you mentioned, that can be compensated for with external speakers or amplification. :)
Which type or model of external speakers would you suggest ? Active or amplified ?
Hi Stu, curious to know what headphones you currently use (or any mid-tier ones you can recommend). I seldom use my FP 30X speakers and using a Marshal major IV. I also have a Sony XM4 which has noise cancellation but im not that satisfied with the sound.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I know that Stu is a big fan of the Meze 99 Classics right now. In addition to providing excellent fidelity and durability, they look great too! :)
@@MerriamPianos woah thanks Brent! I'll definitely check it out
I put some black plastic gutter brackets on the back of the unit which hold a couple of B&W speakers neatly squared away. Sounds great now :) Regardless, I got this piano last year as a complete beginner at 50years old. Love it but my only dislike is releasing black keys quickly have an irritating croaky noise and was wondering if that happens on the 60x or the even the upgraded action of the 90X??
Very cool! It sounds like you've found a way to get even more sonically out of the FP10! I have not heard an FP10 or any of the PHA4 action models' (nor the FP90X's PHA50's) black keys making the sound you're referring to. My recommendation would be to get that checked out by a Roland piano tech, especially if it is still under warranty. :)
@@MerriamPianos Thanks for the reply. I fixed it this morning by re-greasing the black notes as the engineer in me couldn't stand it. It was an easy fix with a ball point pen to release the keys and a medium syringe full of multi purpose grease. 👍
Hi there great channel. Please which do you find has the better sound, this or a RP102 ? Both I'm looking at are used (the RP102 is actually cheaper) its for a beginner and Im really after whichever has the slightly better piano sound as they appear to share the same excellent weighted key action and similar auxiliary sounds and features.
(Looking forward to trying pipe and hammond organ)
There does sound like a difference in reviews, even when both are from the same reviewer.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for tuning in and supporting our channel! We really appreciate it. :)
It comes down to what your intended use is really. If you are doing any type of travelling with the instrument, the FP10 would be the clear choice. If the piano is going to live in the same place in the home, the RP102 would be the better option. Both of these models have the same core touch and tone. But, the RP102 does have the superior speaker system. So, from that perspective, it would have a slight edge sonically over the FP10.
@@MerriamPianos thank you very much
Can you test the action with a vst piano? I wanted to use this as just a controller , but I found the velocity response very different when triggering a vst piano compared to its internal engine….it seemed you really had to play very aggressively to get the full range of midi velocity…wondering if there’s been any update to the firmware to help/fix this.
Hi! Brent here! We have had a few requests to test various digital piano models as MIDI controllers. I think that would be a very compelling video! I have submitted the suggestion to our production team. :)
There is a Costco bundle with an exclusive upgraded version of FP10 called the FP10ACR. I would love to see a comparison of the base FP10 and upgraded FP10, the FP10ACR. I have the Costco FP10ACR and what I do know is it has 128 polyphony vs 96 on the base model. It also have different sound functions from the base FP10 such as nylon guitar and bass+cymbal. I'm curious of any other difference if any of the internals and sound quality.
Hi! Brent here! Given that the FP10ACR is a Costco exclusive, it may be difficult to tackle a comparison. With that said, I believe the elements you pointed out are the primary differences. :)
@@MerriamPianos I think you're right it would probably be redundant to make a comparison with the base FP10. There was just an element of curiosity whether there is any significant differences other than the ones I stated.
I'm considering an upgrade from Yamaha P95 GHS to a Kawai ES110 or ES120 because they have great action RHC and its lighter than FP10's action. Since I'm disabled (muscle weakness) the action is very important since if its too heavy(heavier than GHS) then FP10 is not an option. I prefer the sound of Kawai models but I'm still not sure about FP10 option. I'm saving up so I have plenty of time to decide which one to get early next year. What are your thoughts on this? Is the action on FP10 very heavy compared to Yamaha GHS and Kawai RHC?
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for writing in with the question! The FP10's PHA4 action is certainly on the heavier side. It plays heavier than the GHS and RHC action. You may also want to consider the Casio PXS1100 if you're looking for an excellent piano around the same price point with a lighter touch. :)
Static weights needed to move C4. C7 and C2 respectively:
PHA-4: 63g, 52g, 65g
RHC: 52g, 50g, 57g
GHS: 51g, 48g, 53g
PHA-4 is heavier but the best out of these three.
Michael
Hello!, I want to start taking lessons but I don't have that much budget, a few years ago I saw videos on this channel of the Alesis recital brand. Is it still valid as a good option?
Hi there! The Alesis Recital is a solid starting point, but it is recommended to get a piano with a heavier, more authentic touch at some point for serious piano studying/practicing.
Hi , new subscriber and grateful for all your detailed and enjoyable reviews.
I have such a specific question/ requirement that finally after checking out many many reviews and videos I just decided to ask,
I've been tasked with finding a good digital piano for our historical church( oldest surviving catholic church in Australia)... the old pipe organs died some time ago. We've had keyboard and now it's recorded music.
Wanting to bring live music back, and stationed in a choir loft above, a decent light digital piano is the goal now.
But which one?
I need great pipe organ sounds but great piano too.
I think full 88 keys is best
Having two digital pianos at home, Kawai and Yamaha clavinova and teaching piano, i rarely if ever delve into the extra sounds or technical extras... sorry, just not that technically minded or talented 😕
Same then if I'm going to play in church, just the basics is what's needed.
Obviously good speakers and aesthetics counts
Our budget is AU $2500.
I don't even think we need to go that high? I went to a local music shop and tried rhe Roland RD88, thay was pretty good.
Interested in Roland DSJuno and Yamaha p225? Yet to try these out.
Want to know if there are others you'd recommend for quality sound, ease of transport and sticking to below the budget please. It's so hard to make a decision.
P.s. i love hearing you playi. I'm classically trained and mainly play that genre, and am quite hopeless at improv and anytiing jazzy😢
Much gratitude.
Lin.🇦🇺
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks so much for subscribing and supporting our channel. We really appreciate that! It all comes down to a matter of personal preference, but I am happy to provide some immediate insights regarding your questions. Firstly, I don't think the JUNO DS88 is a very good fit. It is synthesizer not a digital piano. I also don't know how satisfying you would find the organ and non-piano sounds of the P225. The Roland RD88 and FP60X were two pianos that instantly came to mind when I was reading through your comment. They are certainly worth consideration. I would also suggest testing out the Kawai ES920 if possible. It has my personal favourite piano sound in a portable package. I also find the organ sounds to be quite good as well. Thanks and hope this helps! :)
@@MerriamPianosHi Brent!
Thank you so much for your reply!
Yes that is really helpful 😀, I will have a look on our shop's website; sometimes if it's not in-store they'll order in from the mainland with no obligation to purchase.
It's worth waiting to try these out to be sure.
Thanks again and have a great day!
I’m at Costco right now standing right next to the Roland FRP-2-ACR. It’s essentially an upgraded FP-10. They call it the “FP-10 ACR”. They claim this piano has 128-voice polyphony and upgraded grand piano tone. Can you please comment and remark on this specific “FP-10 ACR” and whether is it a true upgrade and improvement over the original FP-10? Thank you.
Hi! Brent here! The FP10 ACR is a Costco exclusive. As such, it is not a model that I have any experience with. From my understanding, it has additional polyphony and a few extra instrument sounds onboard. Thanks and all the best! :)
In the video review of the FP10 it is stated that the audio source was direct line-out. However there is no direct line-out, just the headphone out. I am confused.
You can take a direct line-out from the headphone output. It is also an output and the audio can be captured through it as well. :)
Hello. I am using Roland FP-10. How can I download the MIDI files I recorded in my Piano Partner app and convert them as mp3 or wav files? Thank you
Hi! Brent here! I am not entirely sure as to whether the MIDI files can be downloaded or exported from the app. Perhaps, one of our helpful community members will be able to assist. With that said, you could record MIDI data directly into a DAW from your FP10 via the USB connection.
I got the Roland FP-10 this summer as my first piano, off of the recommendation of Jeremy See.
At first I wanted to go as cheap as possible with the M-Audio Keystation 88 MK3, but as soon as I touched it in a music store it felt like crap, like a toy. Then it was between the Casio S110 and the Roland. And the FP-10 hands down felt like a real piano. I dont care about the built in sounds or speakers, it's nice for practice sometimes, but I got it to use with software pianos like Pianoteq, and synths like Vital. And it's been amazing I Iove it!
My next upgrade would be a hummer action keyboard with polyphonic aftertouch, like the Naitive Instruments S88 Mk3 or whatever the other companies put out next, like Arturia, Korg, Studiologic etc. But I still have a lot to practise and learn so no rush. :)
Congrats on your FP10! I certainly agree with the sentiment that, for the money, it is really tough to find a competitor with it in terms of authenticity of touch. Thanks for tuning in and happy playing! :)
@@MerriamPianos Thx for the great reviews man!
Thanks Stu. It's a very good deal. I tried : one problem though : the max volume on the headphones output is REALY Low. It's almost a showstopper for me. I tried with different headphones with each time the same result. Is there a setup trick to solve this?
Hi! Brent here! You could use a headphone amplifier to boost the signal for you. The speaker and amplifier system is not all that powerful on the FP10, but the value really lies in the PHA4 action and the SuperNATURAL tone engine.
@@MerriamPianos À headphone amplifier would be a supplementary thing to carry around with the piano itself. Such a pitty that the built-in headphone amp is so 'weak'. By the way, is there digital audio out via the USB port?
perfect midi controller...download your favorite VST...and youre off to the races...at a very very very reasonable cost
Absolutely! The amazing action and sensor system in the FP10 makes it quite an attractive option for a MIDI controller. :)
Roland fp10 or Casio cdp s360 or Casio px s1100 ...better?
The FP10 and PXS1100 are a meaningful step up from the CDPS360. From there, it comes down to what your musical preferences are. The FP10 has a heavy action, which feels quite authentic, and a very balanced tone. The PXS1100 has a lighter action and brighter tone.
How does it compare with the F-30, which is what I have (with one key being a bit dodgy) and am very satisfied with?
The FP30 is certainly a step up as it has a more robust speaker system and more built-in sounds/features. It also offers triple pedal support.
What shall i say? Its a great instrument. Im very satisfied. But why the new review?
We are in nadal sell days.
But, they do very interesting videos, I can accept that from they.
The FP10 is certainly quite solid! We are tackling updated videos because we get asked the question "is this model still a good option in 2023" quite frequently about several products. We are trying to cover as many of those models as possible with updated reviews. :)
@@MerriamPianos cool 👍
@@emaldonadog hi i guess english isnt your native language. I dont know what nadal sell days means. Are you from spain or spanish speaking country? But in spanish nadal means nothing.
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hi, do you think the fp10 will be replaced soon with perhaps fp10x, I'm planning to buy one soon and it'd be shame if a newer version comes just after i bought it.
Have you seen FP-10-ARC (sold in a special package)?
Hi there! There has been a Costco/Roland collaboration called the FP10-ACR, but I wouldn't exactly call that a replacement/update. We have not heard of any plans to release a true update to the FP10 from Roland at this time, but we will certainly keep you posted if we do. :)
I was ready to buy the FP10 but I then started reading the MANY stories online of people having the clicking key issues with the PHA-4. Have you experienced that problem with your demo pianos - or do any of your customers mention anything?
Generally speaking, the PHA4 action is incredibly reliable. We have not experienced these issues with our floor models. However, there have been a few warranty claims on FP10s, but, with that said, Roland's post-sale warranty support is fantastic. These issues were resolved very quickly (I believe it has to do with a specific grease being applied to the action).
I would like wooden keys and the most realistic piano for classical and jazz, would you recommend FP10, used kawaii vPc1 or a studio logic grand ? (Budget $1200)
If you are using the piano purely as a MIDI controller, my vote would be the Kawai VPC1. While the FP10 is a great piano for the money, the VPC1 is a massive step up in terms of the authenticity of the touch in my opinion.
@@MerriamPianos Thank you, is there any thing “portable” with vpc1 like quality?(I was thinking a nord grand may be similar to the vpc1, minus the cost for instance but portable?) …that’s really what I need so that I may carry it on stage?
@@briannzuwah9455since the VPC1 kind of eats your budget, without having sounds or speakers, you are asking for a lot to get a similar action in something portable and still fit inside a $1200 budget. (US dollars presumably)
You won't get a wood action. The nearest model I can think of is the FP-60X with the plastic PHA4 action . And of course, any wood action is heavy to carry, by definition.
The MP7se has a good rendition of Kawai's RH3 plastic action. It's just a bit over your budget, but it is much more portable than the VPC1. No built-in speakers. I think it's a great stage piano for someone with a classical piano background. Supposedly, the MP11se (with wood keys) is even better for such musicians, but it is heavier and more expensive.
A really cheap solution is the Korg D1 (stage piano) featuring the Korg RH3 (rather firm) plastic action. Speakers still required. The sounds might be a little dated now.
I usually buy Yamaha, but if I needed a portable piano now, I would probably buy a Roland FP-60X or a Roland Rd-88, because these are great and Yamaha seems to have lost the plot on mid-range portable instruments.
The line out in the video sounded tremendous. How is there any issue with using it on a PA?
Using the FP10 in conjunction with a PA is certainly possible. You will just need to take the headphone output as there are no dedicated line outs.
The FP-30X now sells at Sweetwater for only $100 (USD) more than the FP-10, so... hard for me to see why I would buy the FP-10, when its more fully-featured big brother is so close in price...
That is a very small price gap, which makes the FP30X a very compelling option. Here in Canada, the gap between the two models is more significant.
What about the Roland Rp30 please 🙏🏼
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle a review of that model if possible. :)
HELP ME, please :) I REALLY like the feel of the FP-10 - BUT, I need to get a 73 version with this exact feel (and preferably same kind of minimalism, as it will serve as a midi keyboard for studio work). Does this exist?
Thank you for the great video!!
Thanks so much for your kind words and for reaching out! Unfortunately, there are no keyboards with less than 88 keys that feature the FP10's PHA4 action. It would be interesting if Roland released a model like that, but, as it stands, it does not exist.
@@MerriamPianos thank you for the reply, my friend 🙏
I will start manifesting a 73 key version right away 🤓😅
I'm looking for a 300-400euro piano. I watched reviews on the Donner Dep20, Yamaha P45 this one and the Alesis Recital Piano Pro. They're all around the same price. I don't think you reviewed the DEP20. I just want the best thing and the closest to a real piano. Which one would you buy? Thank you for your videos!
Hi! Brent here! The Roland FP10 would be my top suggestion due to its action. The PHA4 action is the most authentic feeling touch available at this price point in my opinion. :)
thank you!@@MerriamPianos
This might sound like a strange question, but how loud are the keys when you are using headphones? If you can, please compare it to playing an electric guitar without an amp.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there! Thanks for the question! That is a difficult question to answer as it comes down to subjectivity to some extent. There is a bit of a thudding from keys (this type of mechanical key noise is common for any heavier weighted digital piano action), so that would be heard when headphones are plugged in or if the volume is set to zero. The best bet is to test it out in person to determine if the key noise is acceptable to you. Thanks! :)
@@MerriamPianos Thanks again for the response. I should have stated in my question that I am more concerned about the volume for those around me. Practicing my electric without an amp is to loud for my wife when she is sleeping, so I was trying to get an idea of volume comparisons in that regard.
I wanted go through this review quickly so I increased the video playback speed. During the playing sample section I briefly forgot that and caught myself thinking "Holy crap Stu is playing fast"
Hahaha that is awesome! You were experiencing "Super Stu" at that point! Although Stu's playing is always super anyways of course. :)
Would this be considered the best beginner digital piano to get atm?
It is a matter of personal preference of course, but, for me, I think the FP10's action makes it the best option on the market right now in this price category. :)
@MerriamPianos thank you.
Stu, if you feel blue more often than you like if pointlessness echoes somewhere nearby, wear something red 🤔
Hi - Brent from Merriam Music here. I am not really sure I understand the context of the comment.
What I can observe recently, does not compute, so I'm looking for a fashion statement 😉@@MerriamPianos
I wonder how this would sound plugged into a Roland JC 40 amp
The SuperNATURAL tone engine that the FP10 uses is quite good. To that point, if you run the FP10's piano sounds through a higher powered amp or speaker system, I think you would be very impressed with the sonic results. :)
GO88P vs L1SP vs B2N vs NP35?
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle a comparison of some of those models. We do have a number of videos in the queue though.
Recently bought a fp10, am i the only only one having kind of chunky keys? Probably returning it if i cant find a fix.
Hi there! Your piano should be under warranty. You should connect with your dealer to coordinate getting it resolved. I believe it has to do with a specific grease being applied to the action. It should be an easy fix that is covered for you. :)
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I'm just waiting for them to release the "fp-00" which is just the pha-4 keyboard and nothing else 😂
Haha now there's an idea! The most streamlined MIDI controller of all-time!
Put a Jbl 104bt monitor and you got more than a fp30 for 100 box more than a fp10
Thanks for the tip! That would certainly enhance the sonic experience! :)
@@MerriamPianos
Definitely, you get 60w…..
and you got buetooth in bonus. So you can put music from phone to the Jbl speaker and play over it….
Or use garage band from your phone with fp10 in midi controler. For me it was a good enhance. Fp10 is definitely perfect with headphone and probably one of the best value for piano player, but the speaker are not the best…..
PHA 4 is the closest there is to an Accustic in the World of Digital 🎹
I would personally agree that is the case at this particular price point. When you get into higher dollar values, there are some exceptional actions that I feel outperform the PHA4.
Agree to disagree🎹🎶
For the money this is really nice board.
But, but ... built in speakers sound absolutely terrible (same in Yamaha 125 and others in this price range).
The speakers are certainly not one of the most spectacular features of the FP10, but you can always plug the piano into an amp or powered speakers for more power and greater fidelity. With that said, the core piano experience (tone and touch) the FP10 provides for the money is incredibly impressive. :)
IMO the P-125/125a had excellent speakers for the price. It also had 2 lineout sockets with a proper signal. The FP-10 only has headphone out and is more commonly compared to the P-45. and P-145.
@@Zoco101 I had P-125A. Terrible speakers sound plus multiple keys damaged sound, Returned in 2 days. Maybe got a lemon...
@@MerriamPianos Agreed.
@@alexgoriatchenkov the keys on the P-125a do seem to be made very cheaply (indeed I'm not really a fan of GHS actions and delayed an extra year before buying anything with GHS) but the P-125/125a/121 pianos from Yamaha seem to have improved implementations of GHS.
My P-121 (purchased in June) has held out fine, despite taking a pounding from me while on the road all summer. Maybe with a bit more time it will crumble, but of course I hope not. I didn't expect miracles of the inbuilt speakers, and they didn't disappoint or annoy me at all while practsing in my motorhome. I even used the P-121 on a couple of gigs, but with an extra speaker of course. It is the most portable piano in the world, I mean out of those which feature a graded weighted action.