That whole dlc seems great kinda wish you could tame your own devil at some point though (I have a hunch that there will be some sort of side quest to do with it in bl4 with fl4k)
Her design is amazing. And from what images we can see during the credits there has been a lot of work to make the japanese/western mix work especially on the enemies, it didn't go through super well on some of the characters in 3D, but I'd love to see an art-book for just this DLC
Honestly, with Rose escaping and possibly being alive, this DLC really has a possibility for a follow up story. Something akin to Rose looking to continue her revenge plot on Jackobs now that she knows she can control the Ruiner, with the idea that there is still another, even more powerful egg that is kept by Jackobs in a facility on a different planet. Maybe have Rose confront Wainwright in a sort of 'pay for the sins of your forefathers' kinda thing.
I love this DLC’s blend of Western and Japanese film influences, especially since both genres have inspired each other over the years with stuff like The Seven Samurai and the Magnificent Seven, or Yojimbo and The Man With No Name from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. So it’s really nice to see them blended together with that Borderlands Sci-Fi flare.
I hope we get more of these Jakobs type secret facilites. That was my favourite part of the DLC by far, particularly the nuke at the end. I love the space steampunk/dieselpunk aesthetic.
Anyone else get the same vibe from her we got from Tina the first time we saw her? I know I did. She feels like the next Tina in terms of being so damn interesting she needs to become a permanent addition.
I wonder if Rose could ever become a character, or even a playable Vault Hunter, for BL4 or one of its DLCs, being that she disappears at the end of the story.
I don't know how to feel about this character. On the one hand, she gives off a cool spaghetti-western/Yakuza blend of style I haven't seen since _Red Steel,_ she has an interesting and understandable - if not condonable - goal, and they got a new voice actress to give her a fresh persona and character of her own. On the other hand, she feels a little too much like Nisha 2.0, we don't get a proper showdown with her (she's barely a miniboss), and her escape at the end means nothing if they don't bother bringing her back (looking at you, Scarlett).
Maybe in the future we will get a Butcher Rose and Captain Scarlett team up, I mean both fights involve a follow up with a massive monster, so the similarities exist, plus a cowboy and a pirate working together fits the crazy aesthetic that borderlands loves.
This could easily be the end of rose's misdeeds. But my inner bounty hunter tells me, that we will see her again most surely. If not...well, a lost chance in my opinion.
Same here, the building is half Chinese half Japnese, it felt really weird as a Chinese. since the westerners must not know the difference, I think this may be only a mistake they made.
i really hope she appears in bl4 or whenever what watcher was taking about actualy happens. imagine if shes even a playable character thatd be insane. like a nisha athena hybrid (western/melee)
I absolutely love the neo-western look of gehena where it is a mixture of the japanese and the western culture, even the movie posters around town are of samurai cowboys which look hillarious and awesome, loved this DLC and its characters
Wouldn't it be cool if rose turns into a playable character in the future? Just like how they made windhelm and nisha playable in the Borderlands pre sequel
Wait a minute! I completely forgot about the green nuke towards the end. When Torgue finally got to blow up the ocean in wonderlands, that nuke was the same particle effect but with more natural colors wasn't it? Wonderlands really is the Pre-sequel to Borderlands 3 is so many ways.
That whistle of hers could be used as a subtle clue to her return. My guess is they don't have any specific plans for her but are leaving the door open for future use.
I hope she returns in bl4 possibly as a character, she has a really good character design and sweet abilities and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she started vault hunting for the money she's not as evil as most villain's, she only wanted to prove her grandmothers work so she could have some redeemable qualities in terms of character
If Borderlands 4 still has other planets and not just Pandora then I hope Gehenna returns, I think the wild west-ish theme and tone of it suits Borderlands. Also Butcher Rose returning would be cool, I'd like her to be involved in at least one main story mission or side mission.
If gearbox sleeps on Rose and doesn’t put her in the next game or two I’ll be very disappointed. Considering she escapes and doesn’t die like I originally thought it does seem like they have plans to bring her back in the future, and by god I hope they do.
The timeline for all 6 Siren abilities do not line up for her. Phaselock (ava), Phaseshift (Tannis), Phasewalk (Lilith), and Phasemorph (Amara) are all accounted for. Steele's mysterious power is unaccounted but if it was beast manipulation she'd have attempted it on The Destroyer. Phaseleech is available with Tyreen now dead however Rose never displays the leech ability. Lastly the Mysterious 7th Siren very clearly isn't Rose. So I am afraid there is no point in time where Butcher Rose could be a Siren.
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 Considering its like 5 years between borderlands 1 and 2, and then another 7 between 2 and 3, it honestly could be possible that Phasemorph belonged to Steele and was passed on to Amara. Considering Borderlands 3 is roughly 12 years after Steele's death and Amara (i believe) is suppose to be in her late 20s (lets say 26-29), then she could have inherited Phasemorph from Steele at around the age of 14-17, giving her plenty of time to learn her Siren powers and become the Tiger of Partali. If this is the case (and mind you this is a MAJOR if) that would mean Butcher Rose could be a siren, or could become a siren after the events of the DLC if the mysterious remaining siren died. (Or if she inherits Tyreen's power). Having said this, I really, and I mean really, hope Butcher Rose does not become a siren/isn't a siren because while I understand sirens are as unique and important to the lore of borderlands as the vaults are, I am getting a little tired of every important character or event being about sirens as of Borderlands 3. I know the DLCs are not as siren focused as the main plot, but Jesus the main story has left me burnt out.
@@gagecowart7157 I’m afraid that isn’t possible. According to the Borderlands wiki, she had been doing her vigilante act since “she was young” which would mean pre-teens if not younger. It’s also not supported by the fact that neither Steele nor Amara share Siren tattoo designs (like Angel/Tannis and Maya/Ava). What’s more Steele is still technically a pseudo Siren as of the events of tales from the borderlands in the guys junk shop still as a zombie thing. So there is more against Steele and Amara being connected than there isn’t. Not to mention if Rose was a Siren, she’d have displayed it in her boss fight, the Calypsos would have wanted to track her down, Handsome Jack would have known about her in his investigation given she’s been active for years, etc etc
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 fair, but you forget we are also talking about the current writers of borderlands, who kinda suck compared to the old ones. Its possible they could make Rose inherit someone elses siren powers, although Like I said I would really hate if they did that.
Unfortunately the timeline doesn't add up for that to be the case. The only Siren powers unaccounted for is Steele's (but if i was beast manipulation you'd think she'd have tried it on The Destroyer), the mysterious 7th Siren, and finally Tyreen's Phaseleech which is never displayed by Rose.
Great villain and great design. Just wish the story was better. "My grandma worked on this thing so now I'm gonna do it even if it destroys everything" 😂 anyway I love the lore vids, good job!
So I’ve got a little theory. It highly unlikely as on of the characters this theory involves is from the comics, so.. yeah. Borderlands dlc are almost all canon. This combined with the fact that rose vanishes at the end makes me think she’s gonna play a bigger role at some point, so here’s my theory. Wha if rose is a siren? There was a siren from the comics that could control animals. Plus, we know they can hide their tattoos. What if roses grandma was the previous holder of the power and passed it down the family line.
@@opticmidnight2629 yeah but it doesn’t explain her super speed. Her ability to create clouds that shoot out homing projectiles. And her eyes glowing only during her attacks. As for the core . We never see the tattoos glowing all the time. We don’t see her glowing when we meet her. It’s not like she can turn it off unless she is a siren.
@@Jentrasa The timeline for all 6 Siren abilities do not line up for her. Phaselock (ava), Phaseshift (Tannis), Phasewalk (Lilith), and Phasemorph (Amara) are all accounted for. Steele's mysterious power is unaccounted but if it was beast manipulation she'd have attempted it on The Destroyer. Phaseleech is available with Tyreen now dead however Rose never displays the leech ability. Lastly the Mysterious 7th Siren very clearly isn't Rose. So I am afraid there is no point in time where Butcher Rose could be a Siren. Who'd have thought basic math and logic would have popped the balloon on such a shakey and poorly founded theory. Even the questions about her unique abilities is rendered moot when you realize nearly all Vault Hunters have busted abilities.
@@Jentrasa ye but they have sorta the same motives so when i first heard about the DLC i thought another bootleg jack tbh but when i played it rose is a really good antoagonist and also ur right about bl2's story lol i replayed it so many times
A little off-topic but I have been watching several of your videos back-to-back today and something I have noticed is that you often say "Volt Hunters" plural instead of "Volt Hunter" singular? So does that mean that even though in the real world you are playing the game with a solo character that in the game world every mission has all 4 V hunters together completing the missions?
Even though she's a one-off dlc villain, she still did one hell of a good job at it.
This feels more like Captain Scarlets dlc
Fr fr I love her tattoos and piercings
Yes she was.
That whole dlc seems great kinda wish you could tame your own devil at some point though (I have a hunch that there will be some sort of side quest to do with it in bl4 with fl4k)
@@MasterOZero Yeah I agree.
You dont kill Scarlet, and she disappears off somewhere.
Her design is amazing. And from what images we can see during the credits there has been a lot of work to make the japanese/western mix work especially on the enemies, it didn't go through super well on some of the characters in 3D, but I'd love to see an art-book for just this DLC
It's pretty Firefly.
Fun Fact: Toge means spikes in Japanese
This means her devil is literally called spike
Spikes/Thorn
Fun Fact: Toge also means Bean Sprout in Filipino.
Which makes him adorable!
I thought when they said toge they meant touge, which is japanese for mountain racing
it actually it means "pass" like mountain pass.
I really liked the Western/Japanese hybrid feel they had in the DLC. It was very unusual, but worked quite well in my opinion.
Better story then the main campaign
lmao that’s like every dlc in this game
@@silly693 yup
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@@silly693 ohhh that's just sad man....
@@silly693 I love handsome jack😊
Definitely an interesting character. Kudos to Gearbox
Honestly, with Rose escaping and possibly being alive, this DLC really has a possibility for a follow up story. Something akin to Rose looking to continue her revenge plot on Jackobs now that she knows she can control the Ruiner, with the idea that there is still another, even more powerful egg that is kept by Jackobs in a facility on a different planet. Maybe have Rose confront Wainwright in a sort of 'pay for the sins of your forefathers' kinda thing.
I love this DLC’s blend of Western and Japanese film influences, especially since both genres have inspired each other over the years with stuff like The Seven Samurai and the Magnificent Seven, or Yojimbo and The Man With No Name from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. So it’s really nice to see them blended together with that Borderlands Sci-Fi flare.
I wonder if wainwright knew about this dark chapter of his family's legacy?
i hope we are there when he finds out!
At one point i actually thought Rose was gonna be a Jakobs.
I hope we get more of these Jakobs type secret facilites. That was my favourite part of the DLC by far, particularly the nuke at the end. I love the space steampunk/dieselpunk aesthetic.
Anyone else get the same vibe from her we got from Tina the first time we saw her? I know I did. She feels like the next Tina in terms of being so damn interesting she needs to become a permanent addition.
I wonder if Rose could ever become a character, or even a playable Vault Hunter, for BL4 or one of its DLCs, being that she disappears at the end of the story.
remember gearbox said this will be the finally game as in this type of game but that was before bl3 dropped still hope
@@insertname6430 Never heard of that, you sure? You got misinformed I think.
@@insertname6430well do I have good news for you!!!
Didn't get a chance to hear all the logs on my first playthrough. Might go listen to them all again! Great video!
I like Rose. She's a wild wild badass. An I love this dlc and it's narator. It feels different.
I could seriously just listen to the guitar version of roses whistle for hours. It's beautiful
She feels like nishas clone that got killed again
Rose didn't die though...
@@ravenred6878 but the ending, i didnt watch the whole video and all i remember from her is she got defeated and the ruiner spawned
Damn why the hot cowgirls gotta be villians smh 😔
@@Davidpoland2005 She got DEFEATED. She didn't die. She literally disappeared in a cloud of smoke.
@@NEEDLESALAD she'll be there again as a total hot siren cowgirl :-) (i hope :-)
I don't know how to feel about this character. On the one hand, she gives off a cool spaghetti-western/Yakuza blend of style I haven't seen since _Red Steel,_ she has an interesting and understandable - if not condonable - goal, and they got a new voice actress to give her a fresh persona and character of her own. On the other hand, she feels a little too much like Nisha 2.0, we don't get a proper showdown with her (she's barely a miniboss), and her escape at the end means nothing if they don't bother bringing her back (looking at you, Scarlett).
Maybe in the future we will get a Butcher Rose and Captain Scarlett team up, I mean both fights involve a follow up with a massive monster, so the similarities exist, plus a cowboy and a pirate working together fits the crazy aesthetic that borderlands loves.
@@gagecowart7157 Plus, Captain Scarlet was friends with Nisha, so she already knows the type.
My spider-senses went off from the very moment of meeting her.
This could easily be the end of rose's misdeeds. But my inner bounty hunter tells me, that we will see her again most surely. If not...well, a lost chance in my opinion.
Holy Calypsos, she's hot...
I really hope Rose shows up in BL4, maybe even as the main villain.
I thought the company was going to be anshin because of all the Chinese/Japanese stuff everywhere. I really like the western mixed in with it.
Same here, the building is half Chinese half Japnese, it felt really weird as a Chinese. since the westerners must not know the difference, I think this may be only a mistake they made.
Thank you for your dedication to the Lore. All of your videos are needed for Borderlands history going forward. 👍
i really hope she appears in bl4 or whenever what watcher was taking about actualy happens. imagine if shes even a playable character thatd be insane. like a nisha athena hybrid (western/melee)
I'll be honest, when I saw the Ruiner, it reminded me of Gamera.
Thank you for continuing this series
History of pickle please
I absolutely love the neo-western look of gehena where it is a mixture of the japanese and the western culture, even the movie posters around town are of samurai cowboys which look hillarious and awesome, loved this DLC and its characters
I really enjoy your ‘history of’ videos
She was such a better antagonist then the main story. Hell, I had more fun in the DLC then I did in the main game
I swear gehenna could just be on Pandora
DJPlaysGames but better
Every planet in BL3 except for Promethea could be pandora
Is it me,or does she seem kinda based on Asha to a degree, the siren from the comics who could control the wildlife of planets
I like Rose, shes alost like a core version of a siren.
Also, Gehenna is a better homeworld for Jakobs than Eden-6
Just wanted to say I discovered your channel like a week ago and all your content is fantastic! Thanks for bringing the lore to the players.
Not gonna lie I thought Rose whistling in the beginning was a reference to that yelling cowboy music video
Why does Roze’s eyes glow green when she dueled the sheriff
Maybe her tattoo is core infused?
It actually may be
It is. He literally says it in the video
Wouldn't it be cool if rose turns into a playable character in the future? Just like how they made windhelm and nisha playable in the Borderlands pre sequel
Wait a minute!
I completely forgot about the green nuke towards the end. When Torgue finally got to blow up the ocean in wonderlands, that nuke was the same particle effect but with more natural colors wasn't it?
Wonderlands really is the Pre-sequel to Borderlands 3 is so many ways.
When a dlc villain has more lore than Steele
Im loving these borderlands character histories gives me more to like about them
I have a feeling she will be back and probably will be a playable character
This kinda makes me hope she might become a playable vault hunter
Gearbox said there won't be any dlc vault hunters
They really should have made this a playable character because she is badass 😎
so Butcher Rose is still alive?!
Yup for a future game or dlc
@@stormblaze9122 great, knowing outlaws like her, she'll probably stir up trouble somewhere in the galaxy, in either on Pandora, or on Eden-6.
That whistle of hers could be used as a subtle clue to her return.
My guess is they don't have any specific plans for her but are leaving the door open for future use.
Not really related to the story, but I absolutely WANT that rocket launcher you got, dude!
it'd be cool to see her return in a future game
This was my fav DLC. DLC 4 was a letdown for me. I hope we get to see Rose down the road at some point.
Rose is definitely one of the best designed characters in the series. I hope she returns in the future.
I really hope she's a vault hunter in borderlands 4
I hope she returns in bl4 possibly as a character, she has a really good character design and sweet abilities and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she started vault hunting for the money
she's not as evil as most villain's, she only wanted to prove her grandmothers work so she could have some redeemable qualities in terms of character
Butcher Rose is like Captain Scarlet, we wish she was a playable Vault Hunter or at least a little more story
If Borderlands 4 still has other planets and not just Pandora then I hope Gehenna returns, I think the wild west-ish theme and tone of it suits Borderlands. Also Butcher Rose returning would be cool, I'd like her to be involved in at least one main story mission or side mission.
If gearbox sleeps on Rose and doesn’t put her in the next game or two I’ll be very disappointed. Considering she escapes and doesn’t die like I originally thought it does seem like they have plans to bring her back in the future, and by god I hope they do.
Tbh I low key would love her to come back in BL4 as a Vault Hunter. Her power set would be cool as hell.
Yes I've been waiting for this
God a part of me wishes if we get another Borderlands game after Wonderlands and New Tales, I want Rose as a character despite her being an antagonist
what if Butcher Rose is in sanctuary 3 or in DLC 4 or with Captain Scarlett ship
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New siren moment? Ya i know weird but maby her markings are green and its covered by her tattoos and it was passed down the family
The timeline for all 6 Siren abilities do not line up for her. Phaselock (ava), Phaseshift (Tannis), Phasewalk (Lilith), and Phasemorph (Amara) are all accounted for. Steele's mysterious power is unaccounted but if it was beast manipulation she'd have attempted it on The Destroyer. Phaseleech is available with Tyreen now dead however Rose never displays the leech ability. Lastly the Mysterious 7th Siren very clearly isn't Rose. So I am afraid there is no point in time where Butcher Rose could be a Siren.
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 Considering its like 5 years between borderlands 1 and 2, and then another 7 between 2 and 3, it honestly could be possible that Phasemorph belonged to Steele and was passed on to Amara. Considering Borderlands 3 is roughly 12 years after Steele's death and Amara (i believe) is suppose to be in her late 20s (lets say 26-29), then she could have inherited Phasemorph from Steele at around the age of 14-17, giving her plenty of time to learn her Siren powers and become the Tiger of Partali. If this is the case (and mind you this is a MAJOR if) that would mean Butcher Rose could be a siren, or could become a siren after the events of the DLC if the mysterious remaining siren died. (Or if she inherits Tyreen's power).
Having said this, I really, and I mean really, hope Butcher Rose does not become a siren/isn't a siren because while I understand sirens are as unique and important to the lore of borderlands as the vaults are, I am getting a little tired of every important character or event being about sirens as of Borderlands 3. I know the DLCs are not as siren focused as the main plot, but Jesus the main story has left me burnt out.
@@gagecowart7157 I’m afraid that isn’t possible. According to the Borderlands wiki, she had been doing her vigilante act since “she was young” which would mean pre-teens if not younger. It’s also not supported by the fact that neither Steele nor Amara share Siren tattoo designs (like Angel/Tannis and Maya/Ava). What’s more Steele is still technically a pseudo Siren as of the events of tales from the borderlands in the guys junk shop still as a zombie thing. So there is more against Steele and Amara being connected than there isn’t.
Not to mention if Rose was a Siren, she’d have displayed it in her boss fight, the Calypsos would have wanted to track her down, Handsome Jack would have known about her in his investigation given she’s been active for years, etc etc
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 fair, but you forget we are also talking about the current writers of borderlands, who kinda suck compared to the old ones. Its possible they could make Rose inherit someone elses siren powers, although Like I said I would really hate if they did that.
I never realised she lived!!!!! Hopefully we play her in bl4!!!
Rose could be a vault hunter on the next borderlands game
i think rose is the Beastmaster Siren or atleast a nod to it
Honestly i hope rose comes back in borderlands 4 as a Vault hunter or a side character
So I don't know if the story ruled it out but could rose have been a siren?
No, her tattos are core infused. It was referenced in echo recordings.
Unfortunately the timeline doesn't add up for that to be the case. The only Siren powers unaccounted for is Steele's (but if i was beast manipulation you'd think she'd have tried it on The Destroyer), the mysterious 7th Siren, and finally Tyreen's Phaseleech which is never displayed by Rose.
Honestly loved rose
Nice villain, and her iron is pretty cool.
Gerabox are better at writing villains than heroes.
wow, first!!
i finally can put down from my bucketlist
I can just imagine the mysterious stranger from fallout in this DLC
Along playing the DLC I hoped I could spare Rose and forget the bounty . . .
Is the wanderer a reference to lone wanderer from new Vegas?
Dear God, I want her as a VH in BL4 or anywhere in the franchise.
Better antagonistic then dumb and dumber we got in the main game
Captain Scarlet 2.0, I loved it!
She should be the next big boss. BL4 launch and Rose lead villain.
I think she may be a siren of music.
Great job 👌
Great villain and great design. Just wish the story was better. "My grandma worked on this thing so now I'm gonna do it even if it destroys everything" 😂 anyway I love the lore vids, good job!
They should bring her back as dlc vault hunter in upcoming game
You not doing One Piece anymore?
@EruptionFang
You should cover Cyberpunk it would be interesting to watch your deep dive videos on the lore and the game as a whole 🙇🏽♂️
Anyone got the notes for the Moonlight Sonata on electric guitar
She didnt die because she was registered to the new-u station
I got a feeling rose will be back
I hope will see her again same with Captain Scarlett
I got the black screen on both my xbox and pc and now my dads gonna kill me
@Eruptionfang are you gonna do the history of Krieg before or after his DLC releases?
I hope she becomes a playable character.
Can you do Kreig
I would love a spinoff game on gehenna
I’m gonna be honest I’d take rose over the twins any day as main antagonist
Anyone else got the impression core looks like Tiberium
So I’ve got a little theory. It highly unlikely as on of the characters this theory involves is from the comics, so.. yeah. Borderlands dlc are almost all canon. This combined with the fact that rose vanishes at the end makes me think she’s gonna play a bigger role at some point, so here’s my theory. Wha if rose is a siren? There was a siren from the comics that could control animals. Plus, we know they can hide their tattoos. What if roses grandma was the previous holder of the power and passed it down the family line.
Artsy Boi that make sense, also would explain her super speed.
@Southern Shinobi the new u is not cannon. She probably fast traveled.
Her tattoos have core in them hence the glow doubt she's a siren
@@opticmidnight2629 yeah but it doesn’t explain her super speed. Her ability to create clouds that shoot out homing projectiles. And her eyes glowing only during her attacks. As for the core . We never see the tattoos glowing all the time. We don’t see her glowing when we meet her. It’s not like she can turn it off unless she is a siren.
@@Jentrasa The timeline for all 6 Siren abilities do not line up for her. Phaselock (ava), Phaseshift (Tannis), Phasewalk (Lilith), and Phasemorph (Amara) are all accounted for. Steele's mysterious power is unaccounted but if it was beast manipulation she'd have attempted it on The Destroyer. Phaseleech is available with Tyreen now dead however Rose never displays the leech ability. Lastly the Mysterious 7th Siren very clearly isn't Rose. So I am afraid there is no point in time where Butcher Rose could be a Siren.
Who'd have thought basic math and logic would have popped the balloon on such a shakey and poorly founded theory. Even the questions about her unique abilities is rendered moot when you realize nearly all Vault Hunters have busted abilities.
MAKE ROSE A DLC CHARACTER PLZZ
Rose is sort of like jack tbh
RELLENTLESS_BobertGamin well the entire dlc uses bl2s story structure straight down to the final boss setting.it so subtle and genius
@@Jentrasa ye but they have sorta the same motives so when i first heard about the DLC i thought another bootleg jack tbh but when i played it rose is a really good antoagonist and also ur right about bl2's story lol i replayed it so many times
You should do claptrap next it would be fun to see what he went through
Once she killed her mount, I hated her.
A little off-topic but I have been watching several of your videos back-to-back today and something I have noticed is that you often say "Volt Hunters" plural instead of "Volt Hunter" singular? So does that mean that even though in the real world you are playing the game with a solo character that in the game world every mission has all 4 V hunters together completing the missions?
When the dlc had better story than the main story...
Still waiting on history of axton
What is the song at the end of the video
What is the name of the font used in the location names of this DLC?