Jack. The villain who didn't start out as a villain. Tried to really be an actual hero but slipped off the stairs ascending to hero-dom and fell into the fiery pits of villainy and insanity. His actions were not morally correct but with the shit he went through before his fall. Harvey Dent said it best: "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain." Kind of suits Jack to a T.
Well there betrayal everywhere and he was constantly dealt with hardships like how his folks died and had to live an abusive grandmother, his wife died from his daughters siren powers, his boss was a dick and worked his way up to control Helios only to get invaded by the lost legion and finally getting branded by lil
Jack was never a hero. His plan all along was to indiscriminately murder entire populations of people because he classified them as ‘bandits’ as a form of revenge on the actions of ONE already dead man. Jack is objectively a fantastic character, but people really confuse his charm and charisma with him ever being a good person.
@@NightcoreBrawler I think, canonically, Jack's AI duplication is actually in that, as one of the lines from the Handsome Jackhammer are: "Ugh, shoot something already! Just because I'm an AI doesn't mean I can't die of boredom!"
@@woos057 You’re thinking of Todd Haberkorn, who also voices Plankton (hence the Plankton and Cell memes.) The voice actor for Jack is Dameon Clarke. Who has even stated this was a very unique role for him that he will probably remember for the rest of his life.
@@ssick3402 considering how the pre sequel played out, with Jack being a normal guy that had to put up with Tassiter's harassment, I know what OP mean. Giddy as, Tassiter was also an asshole. Chills as we know how Jack turns out later.
@@Dianophi I was also giddy because it was a reveal to the Jack we love. I spent the whole game wondering when he’d become Handsome Jack and when I that scene happened I knew what we’d get as a result
You see the main problem with a character like Jack is that you write him too well. causeing all antagonist after him to not feel as complex or as charismatic towards your audience.
@@RogerRoids during the play, I hate Tyreen more like 80% of the time. Only in the end her high voice was more close to villain. But in general she was a psycho, who decided to be a god. She killed people because of want, not because of need (unlike Jack). Her history is quite simple and plain, so she is not worth to be a good villain. Troy is more look like a villain, because partially he shares some Handsome Jack history. He was in a cage and being bullied by her twin-sister. He always was in a shadow, because he is parasite. And when he have chance, he tries to use it to become something more. But Tyreen... she is bad villain, because there are no motives for her. Being in a cage may be ok, but revenge should be only on her father. Why to destroy whole universe just because your father tried to protect you even in a bad way? Why kill dozens of innocent people for just a lot of power. God-syndrom of Tyreen is much worse than hero-syndrom from Jack, just because Jack believed in the thing, that what he is doing was correct. He tried to protect the world he grown in with family and ideas. Yes, he was a freaking coward, but he did it correctly. Tyreen just wanted become a god for... nothing. She doesn't have good motives. She doesn't like her family: Typhoon - father, is a bad guy, who closed her in a cage; Troy is just a parasite and leecher of her own powers, restricting her power and glory Bandits... they are fresh meat, nothing more So for Tyreen there is no reason to become a god. She doesn't have anybody to hate, except her father and whole universe for being like it is. She wants power, just because nobody can bully her afterwards, etc. She is a bad villain, obviously. The villain from the all of this action movies like Rambo, Mortal Combat and other movies from 80ths. So yeah, in total, twins are bad villains. They are not antagonists in a pure form, as they are not against vault hunters, they against the whole world like small childs. "World is unfair, so we will destroy it" is not good motivation for the antagonist.
@@RogerRoids I agree. After how good Jack was, I think having the bandits all together led by a Siren was quite good for bl3 and Tyreens siren ability. After this though I think we will need something relating to presequel ending or something to do with the last Siren ability we dont know and now being on charge of defending the vaults.
Honestly, with the first Borderlands game not having a real presence with a central antagonist, it kind of felt like a bunch of mini-bosses and then a huge monster fight. So Jack became the ultimate, all-encompasing villain
But wasn't jack trying to use the eye of the destroyer to blow up Pandora? Wouldn't that have just opened the great vault and killed everything in the universe?
@@ahdnoh Jack wanted to get rid of the bandits and psychos using the power of the vault, if you actually see what handsome Jack was attempting to do you might actually change your mind about him.
Jack definitely isn't a good guy but if I was crossed as many times as him, had my daughter killed, had everything I cared about taken, I'd be pretty fucked up too
Bay faaaaaaaaar my favorite villain in any media, period. His descent into madness and belief that he is the actual hero is amazing because he is right in a certain sense. The vault hunters are, in essence, just mercs while Jack tried to civilize Pandore before the power got to his head. We probably won't get a villain this good in any game in a while, change my mind!
jack would openly joke about brutally murdering someone in front of their family only to claim that he's a hero he knows he's no better than psychos with sawaxes and still calls himself the good guy
Jack's descent into madness began when he lost his wife, so in the end all he really wanted was revenge - vindication for the asshole for forced his own daughter to kill her mother. And I cannot say I blame him. I'd do the exact same fucking thing probably, just without the whole locking my daughter away bit that is.
The problem with Jack is that 90% of his dialogue was improvised, which is why his presence was so distinct compared to everyone else’s, because, essentially, he had his own writer, separate from the rest of the cast. But this also means that the Borderlands team could never successfully write the character on their own, or create a good enough follow-up villain for the sequel. And they didn’t. I watched a three hour breakdown of how Borderlands 3 fails, and I still don’t remember the main villain’s name. I remember that the story *hinted* that her brother might have a plot to overthrow her, due to jealousy, but then he dies, and that whole plotline is forgotten. The other issue is that the Borderlands writers, especially Randy, seem extraordinarily petty. All of the new fan-favorite characters that were introduced in Tales from the Borderlands, were either completely flanderized over a single DLC for B2, or they were flanderized, AND had their voice actor changed, or, they were just not in the game with no explanation as to where they were. Like, you may not remember it, but “Rhys” was f*cking TRENDING on twitter, every time a new trailer for Borderlands 3 dropped, and fans spotted a hint that he’d be in the game. People f*cking LOVED tales, and its cast, and how it expanded on the characters that already existed. And Gearbox just said “Nope, f*ck that”, just like how they had constantly tried to reel in Jack’s VO. Oh, and Randy Pitchford is a sexual predator who physically assaults his staff.
That mission in Borderlands 3 broke me. Hearing all of Jack and Angel's backstory was so fucking sad, yet it's all played like a joke by Tannis. I was so tearful, furious, and frustrated. It was such an interesting way to reveal backstory, but it played like it was nothing important and not worth getting into. The writers... what the fuck were they thinking?
They weren't just mocking what Anthony Birch wrote yet they make up excuses for their talentless wreck saying ohhh you don't understand the story that well. Gee of coarse not it's not like we spent hours and hours of playtime playing 2 and TPS just to get to this point in the damn story since the first game
To be fair, it's far from the first time the series takes death and/or suffering lightly. Tannis is a total nutcase so that checks out too. I know this is an old comment, but oh well.
This makes me think about a very possible lack of empathy towards Jack. We know that loads of people in Borderlands have amounts of reasons to hate him, and he indeed wasn't a saint, but knows his story and still makes joke about it? To me, this is trully cruel.
Best “Villain” You Slanderous Man You. Handsome Jack the Greatest HERO of Borderlands Killing Psychos, Mercenaries and Friggin Bandits and making Pandora a better place for Decent folks.
@@tackyoptic Pandora is 1% good people and 99% bandits who shoot first then talk. And Jack wanted to create a civilized place. Sometimes you gotta do evil for better good. Jack was a Hero!
I can't help but feel bad for John (Handsome Jack), he's grown up fatherless and was constantly abused by his grandmother. Out of all of the characters from the Borderlands games, John is by far, the character who's gone through the most worst changes, he was fired by Harold Tassiter, dumped and almost killed by Moxxi. The final straw was Lilith punching the vault symbol, branding John's face with it, from that last moment there Handsome Jack was ultimately born. In Tales From The Borderlands, Jack reveals some things that happened in his life but I won't get into that. This is why John is my favorite character in the Borderlands franchise, he technically DID save Elpis but he had to do it at a big cost. Props to Dameon Clarke for his performance as John/Handsome Jack, amazing voice acting and performance.
I'd say a character who goes through the second worst would be Claptrap. This man literally tries to offer his loyalty and friendship only to get mud in return. Granted he does screw up often but he genuinely wants to help people and make friends. It's more sad how that optimistic,annoying, and ecstatic voice is just how he is programmed to sound while he's actually extremely depressed. People gotta cut some slack on my boy and show him some love, truly underrated
In 2019, I met the man behind Handsome Jack, Dameon Clarke. Meeting him made me love the character even more than I thought was possible. He was incredible to talk to.
You can kind of feel bad for John//Jack near the end of BL2, he's lost the one person he still actually "cares" for-Angel, and in his mind, he doesn't realize that it was HER choice to die. It's actually really heartbreaking, but then you remeber that Jack is just as psychotic and insane as every other bandit you kill along the way to defeat/destroy the Destroyer at that point.
I feel that he does realise it was her choice but any “sane” father couldn’t come close to comprehending that she would choose death over living(yes I know jack isn’t who you think of when someone says sane but you get the point) so instead he does what most peoples reaction would be and blames it on somebody else. And that uncomfortably human reaction is what makes him not just a psychopath with a company backing him but one of the best written antagonists in fiction.
@@orbito04 just remember, Typhon Deleon "Calypso twins dad" lost his son to the Vault hunters, but did he blame us for it? No. He understood what they became and that he failed as a father. They became monsters, and they needed to be stopped. How took responsibility and gave his life to save the universe from the monsters he helped create. If someone like that can find that strength, anyone can
I remembered hating Jack throughout the game, and especially satisfied when I let Lilith kill him herself. Then until I played Tales from the Borderlands, and listening to Jack and Rhys moments, especially in the end when Jack was begging Rhys to not destroy the eye he was in. Part of me felt a little bad knowing of his past story that explained much of what Jack did, and what he had to do to get where he was up until then. (I like to think Rhys kept the eye and had Handsome Jack trapped in there as time passes, but sadly it’s never really clarified what he did with it.)
I think Jack will definitely come back in some form. He already kind of is with Timothy Lawrence his body double. Although a different person, Tim was injected with some of Jacks DNA to make him more like him, which becomes apparent during the DLC, but he's still a distinct person. I like to think of Tim as the alternate universe good version of Jack. When I saw Jack appear as the digital version in Tales from the Borderlands I was so hyped. I had played the pre-sequel just before and remembered the Jack AI quest. In the New Tales from the Borderlands, Rhys has regressed a bit in character from his previous appearances, he's more corporate and seems to have forgotten his previous character arc, even compared to BL3. Maybe he secretly put the Jack AI back in his eye?
He always had good intentions but stress and insanity drove him to sociopathy. Deep down he still has good intentions to revive Pandora, but in a very different way.
It just breaks my heart how he started out so good. I cried when I found this out. I feel so sorry for Angel. She lost her father long before he died…. Heartbreaking and makes me so sad….
Jack's definitely one of my favorite baddies, mainly because he's built up so well. That's where the Calypsos shit the bed, lol. Their development is asscheeks.
Not just the developtment, theire all in all just really bad written characters. Not to mention their ridiculous physical appearance and voice synchronisation
He was great in BL2 but he was even better in Tales from the Borderlands, benefiting from having a protagonist that can actually talk back to him His finale in TFTB was far more memorable than in BL2
I know a lot of people want to let Jack rest, but I think he's pretty much the only Character in the series with a strong enough personal narrative to drive the upcoming borderlands movie's plot.
I have a Theory as to why Jack had the doppelganger program so early on, while not high in the chain of command, its clear he's somewhat important, as he's overseeing helios and has direct contact with higher ups, its likely Hyperion funded the program after some convincing by Jack, likely for the unlikely event someone tries to kill the overseer of Helios
If Lilith and Co didn’t exist, Jack might’ve been a power-hungry but mostly sane CEO who fixed an entire planet by wiping it clean from murderous psychos. Almost everything he’s done was in self-defence, like with the Meriff or Zarpderp, but it’s portrayed as he’s the bad guy? He wouldn’t be the bad guy if he wasn’t betrayed for no reason multiple times.
But tbh. As much as I agree. Fiona and her sister would have been killed + possibly Athena and Janie Spriggs and whoever else who is sand on Pandora. Its a good idea but killing everyone when there are good people, its a bit of a bad one.
Once he found put how to abuse Angel's powers there was no going back. Alot of people seem to forget he was manipulating the vault hunters from the first borderlands to gain access to what was hidden in the vault. His course was set soon as he learned his daughter was a Siren didn't matter who he used or killed. Jack is without a doubt the badguy. But lilith has done some questionable things aswell
The lack of Jack is a big reason why I never picked up BL3. Plus the free DLC for BL2 that connects it to BL3 disincentivized me with its terrible writing.
tbh bl3 isnt engaging in its main story but the gameplay is really fucking fun and smoother. also you see a lot of loved characters return in bigger roles, imo its only worth getting on sale.
@@evapapaeliopoulos7152For me it doesn't feel worth it I do like great gameplay but if the story lacks and isn't very immersive I'll get bored really quick that's why I bought the Handsome Collection to replay old memories instead of waiting for 3 to come out the next day. Cause in 2 and TPS i can still feel myself chuckle at some of the dialogue and from my viewing the bits in 3 can't compare. Anthony Birch is top tier in writing though I might give Tiny Tina's Twisted Wonderland a try
Knowing the events of his past makes it even more sad when he's raging at the vault hunter in Borderlands 2 before he died. It makes it sad because he was so driven by his own hate that he was literally incapable of seeing the evil things he did to all of pandora. And couldn't reflect his actions because he went absolut blind by the wrath on bandits. This character is so unbelievable well written and his voice actor is just chef kiss. What a legend
I loved what Telltale did with his AI's story in TFTB. Such an amazing climax, as well the fact that it ends just as tragically as his whole journey tragically started.
It’s funny how Jack had more character and depth in borderlands 3 with a side quest and echo logs than both of the calypsos who were the main villain throughout the whole game. I actually hope they retcon Jack back ngl cause he’s so much better than any other villain gearbox has tried
@@madcap3450 More like Volume after Volume on how not to make a successful story gameplay fun story too much streamer jokes coming from someone with a deep hatred for TikTok have to mute my tv till i sabotage the twins propaganda crap Gearbox loves shoving in our faces with Lilith and Maya's defeat like they want to piss off the players throughout the game instead of them wanting to come back for more
@@jojomuppet1820 Let's not forget Ava. Cause including an annoying scrappy doo character who inexplicably is never even blamed for all the bs they cause and who constantly gets all the credit for everything the player does is great right?!
For me while I pretty much figure Jack is dead his prescence throughout Borderlands 3 is still seen especially with the Krieg dlc and the Handsome Jackpot. Makes me wonder if he ever had a back up plan in the event he died. But a few ideas ran through my head On how jack could come back into the series. 1. Via Timonthy Jack personality has been integrated into Timonthy it was something that kept bugging me. What happens if Timonthy was pushed to the point the Jack personality takes over and he more or less resumes his role as the galactic Tyrant. The Casino was also a perfect cover whose to say this didn't already happen to Timonthy. Bit of a stretch I know but it could be a possibility 2. Much like Zarpedon he was infused with Ancient Knowlege. But Zarpedon showed a unique ability in the pre-sequel that caught my attention she became ascended Could it be possible that Jack could come back in this state? 3. Now this theory would seem corny even this was memed upon in the game. The New-U station or just the New-U program in general in the event of his demise he would respawn using his own unique New-U basically come somewhat immortal in that sense and he would secretly manipulate events in the shadows given everything has fallen all to pieces. 4. Now another thought occurred to me was the potential of a Heir to his Corporation. He had three lovers maybe the potential of a secret love child pops up and continues Jack's Ambition. 5. While it's still a mystery of Sirens, vaults, etc. A huge what if Scenario here is one vault monster or Siren has the ability to raise the dead and he comes back ready to take the reigns once more. 6. Screw it since TK baha has become a Zombie Jack Zombie he comes back for a spoof run. 7. Finally while this is a "huge stretch" this is going back to the siren and vault monsters powers deal the idea of Multiverse theory. Just because they got rid of one Jack could there be a possibility of another jack just waiting around in another Universe. To me I don't think his story is exactly over, I do believe he has a role to play in the future of the series. But I don't see a Borderlands 4 in the foreseeable future.
based on wiki, all 6 powers are defined. We have phaseshift (technology), phaselock (telekinesis), phasewalk (lilith teleport power), phasetrance (amara unique buddha style), phaseleech (twins power and lifecycle manpulation) and there was sixth type of power - animal manipulation (probably this type of power can control living things by telepathy) - in the separate comic book for borderlands. So unless they mark the comic book uncannon, we have 6 principle powers, non of which has control over life and death (leeching killing possibility is still not about life): telekinesis teleport technokinesis energy leeching physical astral form telepathy There is no way to resurrection by using Sirens power, unless there is a way to combine them (which we never saw and it was never mentioned, that Sirens can make any synergy of powers). Also, resurrection of body will not give personality development, as there is no personality. Zombies do not evolve, so seeing Handsome Jack in 4th game series will be really bad for Handsome Jack. Secret child of Handsome Jack by the way will play same scenario as Calypsos. Even with good character and charisma, it will still be bad motivation and story. By this time, even if there was a secret child, it should be like 15-20 years old (considering, that child was born after angel, who was 17-18 year old on moment of death and counting that there is 7 years difference) + age of difference between bl3 and bl4. To create such plot you had to leave any marks. Based on the Handsome Jack character, he is not somebody, who grow young generation with the same ideology. I would expect Handsome Jack folowwer much more possible, than his sibling with the same idea. And of course, there were no marks about any such sibling in any game.
Borderlands 3 actually potentially explains how Jack would know about the first vault being real before anyone else. Sirens have some form of ability to see and communicate with the spirits of the previous sirens, which is shown when Ava sees maya upon receiving her power. Therefore Angel may have discovered that the vault was real due to visions from an earlier siren.
I would love to see a piece of borderlands media cover what might have happened if Jack didn't go down his path of madness or were he didn't lose his first wife, since that seems to be were it started. Either as a small comic series or maybe a small game would be cool to see.
Honestly Jack's story is the best fleshed out stories I've seen in a video game. I love Handsome Jack !! I wish there was a spin off where we play as Jack and decimate every resistance on Pandora and make it a safe place, and also kill vault hunters too
i’ve been saying the same thing for years. writing in video games usually leaves lots to be desired. Borderlands 2, and in particular handsome jacks story line, is a major exception. I had high hopes for BL3 because of that. I thought, “hey, gearbox has this writing thing figured out”. The next best thing i’ve played after BL2, Pre Sequel and Tales is probably the Bioshock trilogy. I rate it a distant 2nd but it’s pretty good.
Handsome Jack is literally like the Breaking Bad of video games. Such a deep and beautifully crafted character with an astounding personality and wits but off course having the villainous intent behind his every action because of his past. Borderlands 3 was such a missed opportunity. Instead of taking this type of awesome writing to the next level, we instead got unnecessary character deaths, ridiculous and shitty villains who have the personality of a potato and inherit all the "modern tik tok trends" (which is stupid), Lilith literally was dumbed down of her former self, and worst of all - a non enjoyable and unattractive child brat now the main focus of the series, like what the actual fuck?! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely enjoyed the hell out of Borderlands 3's gameplay it's the best of all the series. Everything was improved on a large scale, all except the writing. Atleast the DLC's were somewhat redeemable, and Psycho Krieg DLC left a very emotional touch. Hopefully Borderlands 4 doesn't lack the narrative knack unlike BL3, because we all know that the great Borderlands war is coming among the various worlds. And it would be very sad to see such a big time event play out like a D grade average generic plot if the story is bad.
The meriff and Felicity was both justified. Although Felicity part is mested up, they didn't have enough time to copy her and save the moon it was one or the other. Not that he woulda copied her anyways but it's definitely implied it was her or the survival of everyone around including Helios.
At the end of the day jack was a loving parent until the whole plot of borderlands pre sequel, Jack has clearly descended into madness but before that he was a loving father and a husband. He was a father until the bandit held angel hostage. It's a shame but it is clear
The cool thing about Jack is his path to villainy is a slow burn. He was a normal guy with hopes, dreams, ambitions. A tragedy here, a stab in the back there... from the outside looking in you can see the red flags slowly seizing his character. But what about from the inside angle where you need to survive? Or when a drastic measure is only necessary for the greater good? And then there are horrible people standing in the way of a safer tomorrow? And then... and then... and then...?? Had he succeeded, Jack likely would've been hailed by history as a hero. As it is, well... there's a reason "the good die young."
Handsom Jack is a hero. Knowing the events of 3 the twins would have still made thier way to pandora, Jack not only new this but also decided to make the ultimate sacrifice in order to save everyone and everything. Without Jack being Jack in the second game the twins would have become gods like they had planned. Jack made sure there would be people strong enough to deal with the twins as he knew he was not going to be the one to do it. He also made sure there was kne less vault monster for the twins to obtain. With out Jack all would be lost. Jack is a hero, as he has been telling us. I miss you Jack.
@@fhufhfhjfjfjf9534 spoilers...... In the presequel jack sees the future using the elpis vault. He saw all the events of of 2 meaning he knew he was going to die. We don't get to see everything he saw but it is safe to assume he saw the events of 3 or atleast parts of it.
@@Aimlessimp05 Due to Lilith's interference, Jack only got fragments of the events of 2 and only up until the awakening of the Warrior. His surprise at Team 2's victory over the Warrior indicates (to me at least) that he never saw that outcome. If he did truly see all of the events of BL2 and beyond in a more orderly manner or without interruption, he would have known that his course of action after Pre-Sequel's campaign would have lead to his own downfall. That subsequently means he never saw the Calypso Twins rising into power.
Wait wait wait wait wait! I’m pretty sure Jack would have copied Felicity if they had time to do so, unfortunately time was of the essence and they couldn’t do that. You made it sound like Jack was heartless af doing that
@@tntblaster137 Yet Lilith claims she isn't anything like Athena Wilhem Nisha or the other hired mercs for Jack. Kinda rich of her to threaten Athena for comparing her team to Lilith's. Lilith would've done the same thing if she had to make a choice to save everyone
I understand the father's anger towards his daugther, but the fact that he didn't accept the daughter's powers and only made it look like a horrible curse was his biggest mistake. I'm sure of that there could be a way for him and his daughter to live life with these powers and the loss of her mother. It's not easy having someone you love to be killed by soemone else you also love such as a daughter. So much guilt and so much else.
Meeting Dameon Clarke was such a cool moment for me. Got a signed Jack picture and a copy of 2 that I'll forever treasure. Favorite villain in all of media as a whole, they don't get any better than him.
Still crazy to me that so many play Borderlands and be like "Story? You mean the haha ironic jokes between all the looty shooty? yeah good times." It had great story, characters and some real darkness behind all the goofiness and internet meme references.
If they make borderlands 4 hopefully you can bring jack back. To me he didn't seem like a villain. Just a good guy who lost his way. And plus lilth and her friends are the ones who caused him to act that way
I would believe how Jack was able to have enough money to make a doppelganger of himself is that he probably was given a fortune by Hyperion for the vault. After all it was him that led the vault hunters thru Angel to the vault. But I believe it's said somewhere that he had pioneered tech for weapons revolving around Eridium. Only Jack could kill a man kidnap his woman and steal her catchphrase within a single moment.
I never noticed the sharp difference in how Jack talks to Angel before and after his wife's death. Before he always puts on a kind fatherly front for Angel, trying to hide his true asshole nature for her sake. Afterwards it's still a front but different. You can hear him trying to keep the resentment out of his voice but failing. He's only motivation for any kind of kindness is to get her to comply.
Forgot to mention that in Borderlands 3 there’s a lergendury called “Handsome Jackhammer” and I believe I found another one that has Jack’s voice coming from it asking “Lol hey when can I get a new body?” And all that gripe 😂
Jack did nothing wrong. He's right. The vault hunters *are* bandits. They are mercenaries that kill on a whim with no remorse, sometimes over the most trivial of things, and are no less vile than Jack himself. They gleefully loot, maim, and murder with wild abandon sometimes simply for the sake of doing it. The Crimson Raiders are just an extension of rouge Atlas foot soldiers that have committed literal genocide across the stars. Almost everything Jack did, all of the violence, the lies, every cruel experiment, was to further the purpose of a future without the need for any of it. Jack, while undoubtedly a megalomaniac, fits neatly as the eye of the storm to the Borderlands universe and is as close to a true hero Pandora has or will ever see.
You can’t do bad things to bad people and call yourself a good person. While Jack’s anger is understandable, and the grudge against Lilith, Roland, and the Crimson Raiders is justified, the sheer scope of his cruelty is beyond any sense of justification. I mean, the dude literally engaged in horrific human experimentation, presumably just for shits and giggles, as well as the wanton slaughter of what could justifiably be called civilian targets. Add in his treatment of his daughter, his workforce, that farce of a city he built, and the sheer amount of ‘allies’ that he ends up backstabbing… Due may be tragic, but he was also a massive douche, and enough of a monster to make even the worst of the vault hunters look heroic by comparison.
He sounds like Brandon Rogers who plays blitz in hell of a boss I would love to see someone make fan art of handsome Jack hiring imp to kill the crimson raiders!
I won't lie I do really appreciate that Borderlands 3 made a lot of the backstory audio made Jack talk to Angel a lot nicer than he did in Borderlands 2 especially since it shows his turn into a power hungry ego maniac didn't really turn into a full swing until after the events of the Pre-Sequel.
Eager to see where the series goes from here, they might pull a MK11 and consider the adventures done or there might new DLC focusing on the new Sirens and the new era with Lilith being trapped as the key to the moon. The new crew might make it a quest to free her and yet keep the world safe?
We still haven't had the war that needed all the vault hunters that was mentioned in Pre-Sequel, so I imagine that after Wonderlands we'll eventually get Borderlands 4
In borderlands 3 they should have kept katagawa alive to become this type of villain but instead they killed him off a little too early. The calypso twins are nothing compared to jack even katagawa is a better villain than tyreen and troy.
I admittedly been waiting for video about Jack since I noticed did insightful videos on Borderlands history and characters. One few I know of and invested fair share into, including that of the sort -psudeo- jack copy who has this neat animatic base of them and 'Jack'. Handsome Jack is pretty amazing character
I just noticed that in the scene where Jack kills the former president he is wearing his BL2 outfit, but at the start of the Pre-Sequel DLC cutscene (which takes place literally seconds/minutes after killing the Tassiter), Jack is back to his Pre-Sequel outfit with the addition of his mask. Such a fast outfit change.
Fun Fact: Handsome Jack, Was a Placeholder name... But everyone loved the name that much that it became his actual name
thats so cool omg
@@evapapaeliopoulos7152 I know, Plust he's my favourite Borderlands Character too
I love when stuff like that works out
I did not know that that was pretty cool
explains why it doesnt really fit his shtick
"You are a Bandit, and I am the GODDAMN HERO!!!" -HANDSOME JACK. Best video game villain ever.
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@@cyrusmuller6502 handsome jack quote in borderlands game series
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Jack. The villain who didn't start out as a villain. Tried to really be an actual hero but slipped off the stairs ascending to hero-dom and fell into the fiery pits of villainy and insanity. His actions were not morally correct but with the shit he went through before his fall. Harvey Dent said it best: "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain." Kind of suits Jack to a T.
Well there betrayal everywhere and he was constantly dealt with hardships like how his folks died and had to live an abusive grandmother, his wife died from his daughters siren powers, his boss was a dick and worked his way up to control Helios only to get invaded by the lost legion and finally getting branded by lil
Nah he is a hero
@@MrBlue-ci4ii And also both lost the Eye of Helios and almost died with it because of his ex girlfriend, Moxxie.
@@coachlombardi9657 Along with the actions of Lilith (who should have been the villain of Borderlands 3)
Jack was never a hero. His plan all along was to indiscriminately murder entire populations of people because he classified them as ‘bandits’ as a form of revenge on the actions of ONE already dead man. Jack is objectively a fantastic character, but people really confuse his charm and charisma with him ever being a good person.
I will say thou, the voice actor for Jack is the goddamn hero... No, but really, amazing performance.
He did come back to voice lines for Timothy in the Handsome Jackpot DLC as well as the Handsome Jackhammer SMG
Well he also Voices Cell from DBZ I think. So voicing great antagonists is what he does best
@@NightcoreBrawler I think, canonically, Jack's AI duplication is actually in that, as one of the lines from the Handsome Jackhammer are:
"Ugh, shoot something already! Just because I'm an AI doesn't mean I can't die of boredom!"
@@bbrodester1286 lol
@@woos057 You’re thinking of Todd Haberkorn, who also voices Plankton (hence the Plankton and Cell memes.)
The voice actor for Jack is Dameon Clarke. Who has even stated this was a very unique role for him that he will probably remember for the rest of his life.
The scene where Jack kills his boss makes me both giddy but also gives me chills
You high?
@@ssick3402 considering how the pre sequel played out, with Jack being a normal guy that had to put up with Tassiter's harassment, I know what OP mean. Giddy as, Tassiter was also an asshole. Chills as we know how Jack turns out later.
@@Dianophi I was also giddy because it was a reveal to the Jack we love. I spent the whole game wondering when he’d become Handsome Jack and when I that scene happened I knew what we’d get as a result
@@artdroid29 yea, caught that and I agree :)
Do you know the difference between choking and strangulation?
handsome jack is the embodiment of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
He says this when hes an AI in tales from the borderlands
He also said: And the ones you love just litter the roadside.
You see the main problem with a character like Jack is that you write him too well. causeing all antagonist after him to not feel as complex or as charismatic towards your audience.
Well said. I don't think the Calypsos were bad antagonists, but following up from somebody like Handsome Jack is just too difficult to do.
@@RogerRoids during the play, I hate Tyreen more like 80% of the time. Only in the end her high voice was more close to villain. But in general she was a psycho, who decided to be a god. She killed people because of want, not because of need (unlike Jack). Her history is quite simple and plain, so she is not worth to be a good villain.
Troy is more look like a villain, because partially he shares some Handsome Jack history. He was in a cage and being bullied by her twin-sister. He always was in a shadow, because he is parasite. And when he have chance, he tries to use it to become something more.
But Tyreen... she is bad villain, because there are no motives for her. Being in a cage may be ok, but revenge should be only on her father. Why to destroy whole universe just because your father tried to protect you even in a bad way? Why kill dozens of innocent people for just a lot of power. God-syndrom of Tyreen is much worse than hero-syndrom from Jack, just because Jack believed in the thing, that what he is doing was correct. He tried to protect the world he grown in with family and ideas. Yes, he was a freaking coward, but he did it correctly. Tyreen just wanted become a god for... nothing. She doesn't have good motives. She doesn't like her family:
Typhoon - father, is a bad guy, who closed her in a cage;
Troy is just a parasite and leecher of her own powers, restricting her power and glory
Bandits... they are fresh meat, nothing more
So for Tyreen there is no reason to become a god. She doesn't have anybody to hate, except her father and whole universe for being like it is. She wants power, just because nobody can bully her afterwards, etc. She is a bad villain, obviously. The villain from the all of this action movies like Rambo, Mortal Combat and other movies from 80ths.
So yeah, in total, twins are bad villains. They are not antagonists in a pure form, as they are not against vault hunters, they against the whole world like small childs. "World is unfair, so we will destroy it" is not good motivation for the antagonist.
@@RogerRoids I agree. After how good Jack was, I think having the bandits all together led by a Siren was quite good for bl3 and Tyreens siren ability. After this though I think we will need something relating to presequel ending or something to do with the last Siren ability we dont know and now being on charge of defending the vaults.
Honestly, with the first Borderlands game not having a real presence with a central antagonist, it kind of felt like a bunch of mini-bosses and then a huge monster fight. So Jack became the ultimate, all-encompasing villain
@@maksymisaiev1828 underrated comment
I mean if you concider borderlands 3 he was kinda right about the bandit thing.
To be honest I believe the Calypso Twins were basically the end result of what Jack thought would happen if he didn't kill all the bandits
I feel like part of the reason jack hated the crimson raiders was because Lilith shoved a 1000 degree vault key in his face.
@@OverlordToast and destroyed the eye of destroyer, messing with all bandit-killing plan.
But wasn't jack trying to use the eye of the destroyer to blow up Pandora? Wouldn't that have just opened the great vault and killed everything in the universe?
@@ahdnoh Jack wanted to get rid of the bandits and psychos using the power of the vault, if you actually see what handsome Jack was attempting to do you might actually change your mind about him.
Jack definitely isn't a good guy but if I was crossed as many times as him, had my daughter killed, had everything I cared about taken, I'd be pretty fucked up too
no one in borderlands is a good guy imo
@@sosukemickey1041 it's literally in the lyrics of the opening song
"This ain't no place for no hero
This ain't no place for no better man."
Batman had a worse life even though he had money.
@@jonmadan708 I'm sorry but jack went through way more than batman
Bay faaaaaaaaar my favorite villain in any media, period. His descent into madness and belief that he is the actual hero is amazing because he is right in a certain sense. The vault hunters are, in essence, just mercs while Jack tried to civilize Pandore before the power got to his head. We probably won't get a villain this good in any game in a while, change my mind!
its hard to argue with his assesment
@@pumpkinboi9441 why would you
Madness?! You're a bandit! What makes Lilith any more good than Jack?
Play the pre-sequel, people. Look at how Moxxi, Roland, and Lilith did him dirty. Twice. *TWICE*
@@medicmaniauk5710 because im a memlord
The best villains are the ones that genuinely believe what they’re doing. Jack genuinely felt like the good guy, which makes him even scarier
That and those that are loved for being hated, like you genuinely hate them, but love them for it
Best example I know of is Micah from RDR2
jack would openly joke about brutally murdering someone in front of their family only to claim that he's a hero
he knows he's no better than psychos with sawaxes
and still calls himself the good guy
@ryszakowy be sure he genuinely believed that they were bandits and it wasn't worth feeling for them.
yea hes been betrayed many times to the point hes afraid and that pushed him over the edge
There are 2 types of villains, ones who care too much, and ones who have completely stopped caring entirely
Jacks idea: ✅
Jacks execution of said idea and his morales: ❌
mile morales
Sometimes you've gotta crack a million skulls to make a brain pancake!
Jack's descent into madness began when he lost his wife, so in the end all he really wanted was revenge - vindication for the asshole for forced his own daughter to kill her mother. And I cannot say I blame him. I'd do the exact same fucking thing probably, just without the whole locking my daughter away bit that is.
i think somebody said that his 1st or 2nd wife suggested "project angel"
i am not very sure tho
The problem with Jack is that 90% of his dialogue was improvised, which is why his presence was so distinct compared to everyone else’s, because, essentially, he had his own writer, separate from the rest of the cast.
But this also means that the Borderlands team could never successfully write the character on their own, or create a good enough follow-up villain for the sequel. And they didn’t. I watched a three hour breakdown of how Borderlands 3 fails, and I still don’t remember the main villain’s name. I remember that the story *hinted* that her brother might have a plot to overthrow her, due to jealousy, but then he dies, and that whole plotline is forgotten.
The other issue is that the Borderlands writers, especially Randy, seem extraordinarily petty. All of the new fan-favorite characters that were introduced in Tales from the Borderlands, were either completely flanderized over a single DLC for B2, or they were flanderized, AND had their voice actor changed, or, they were just not in the game with no explanation as to where they were. Like, you may not remember it, but “Rhys” was f*cking TRENDING on twitter, every time a new trailer for Borderlands 3 dropped, and fans spotted a hint that he’d be in the game. People f*cking LOVED tales, and its cast, and how it expanded on the characters that already existed.
And Gearbox just said “Nope, f*ck that”, just like how they had constantly tried to reel in Jack’s VO.
Oh, and Randy Pitchford is a sexual predator who physically assaults his staff.
randy pitchford is the reason I never touched another BL game
That explains so much. Especially how Jacks character arc in TPS is so well written while the rest of the game ... isn't.
90 percent of his dialogue was improv!? That's wild!
That mission in Borderlands 3 broke me. Hearing all of Jack and Angel's backstory was so fucking sad, yet it's all played like a joke by Tannis. I was so tearful, furious, and frustrated.
It was such an interesting way to reveal backstory, but it played like it was nothing important and not worth getting into. The writers... what the fuck were they thinking?
They weren't just mocking what Anthony Birch wrote yet they make up excuses for their talentless wreck saying ohhh you don't understand the story that well. Gee of coarse not it's not like we spent hours and hours of playtime playing 2 and TPS just to get to this point in the damn story since the first game
A perfect representation of the writing in BL3. A genuinely sad scene gets played for a joke ruining all emotion that could be felt for the story.
To be fair, it's far from the first time the series takes death and/or suffering lightly. Tannis is a total nutcase so that checks out too. I know this is an old comment, but oh well.
Idk why they said tannis takes it as a joke when tannis obviously sympathises with angel 😭
This makes me think about a very possible lack of empathy towards Jack. We know that loads of people in Borderlands have amounts of reasons to hate him, and he indeed wasn't a saint, but knows his story and still makes joke about it? To me, this is trully cruel.
I’d love to see the history of face mcshooty
He already has a video about him.
@@Mr.Z2311 dope
Finally he was the best boss he makes you feel sorry for him with his backstory
Yeah... Then you find out about his daughter
Best “Villain” You Slanderous Man You.
Handsome Jack the Greatest HERO of Borderlands Killing Psychos, Mercenaries and Friggin Bandits and making Pandora a better place for Decent folks.
Except his definition of bandit was way too broad and included innocent people.
Yeah, he's still a mass murderer no matter who he killed lol. I dunno why people are cool with that.
@@tackyoptic Because Pandora is absolutely filled to the brim with psychopaths and the definition of innocent gets blurried in that world?
@@tackyoptic Pandora is 1% good people and 99% bandits who shoot first then talk. And Jack wanted to create a civilized place. Sometimes you gotta do evil for better good. Jack was a Hero!
YES👏👏
I can't help but feel bad for John (Handsome Jack), he's grown up fatherless and was constantly abused by his grandmother. Out of all of the characters from the Borderlands games, John is by far, the character who's gone through the most worst changes, he was fired by Harold Tassiter, dumped and almost killed by Moxxi. The final straw was Lilith punching the vault symbol, branding John's face with it, from that last moment there Handsome Jack was ultimately born. In Tales From The Borderlands, Jack reveals some things that happened in his life but I won't get into that. This is why John is my favorite character in the Borderlands franchise, he technically DID save Elpis but he had to do it at a big cost. Props to Dameon Clarke for his performance as John/Handsome Jack, amazing voice acting and performance.
THIS IS AMAZING WORDING. I 100% agree
I'd say a character who goes through the second worst would be Claptrap. This man literally tries to offer his loyalty and friendship only to get mud in return. Granted he does screw up often but he genuinely wants to help people and make friends. It's more sad how that optimistic,annoying, and ecstatic voice is just how he is programmed to sound while he's actually extremely depressed. People gotta cut some slack on my boy and show him some love, truly underrated
Jack saved Elpis, but at the cost of his soul.
In 2019, I met the man behind Handsome Jack, Dameon Clarke. Meeting him made me love the character even more than I thought was possible. He was incredible to talk to.
Jennifer Green did such a good job on Angel's voice.
Jennifer Green is not the voice of angel. Do yiur research h please.
@phantomblade9167 my brother in christ, I made that comment 2 years ago
Cry bout it
also yes she is in BL3 goofy, "do your research" 😑
@@phantomblade9167yo mama
Angel's voice is amazing.
You can kind of feel bad for John//Jack near the end of BL2, he's lost the one person he still actually "cares" for-Angel, and in his mind, he doesn't realize that it was HER choice to die.
It's actually really heartbreaking, but then you remeber that Jack is just as psychotic and insane as every other bandit you kill along the way to defeat/destroy the Destroyer at that point.
I feel that he does realise it was her choice but any “sane” father couldn’t come close to comprehending that she would choose death over living(yes I know jack isn’t who you think of when someone says sane but you get the point) so instead he does what most peoples reaction would be and blames it on somebody else. And that uncomfortably human reaction is what makes him not just a psychopath with a company backing him but one of the best written antagonists in fiction.
@@orbito04 dude literally put her in isolation and pumped her full of eridium
yeah it's a wonder why she would want to die
@@orbito04 just remember, Typhon Deleon "Calypso twins dad" lost his son to the Vault hunters, but did he blame us for it? No. He understood what they became and that he failed as a father. They became monsters, and they needed to be stopped. How took responsibility and gave his life to save the universe from the monsters he helped create. If someone like that can find that strength, anyone can
I remembered hating Jack throughout the game, and especially satisfied when I let Lilith kill him herself.
Then until I played Tales from the Borderlands, and listening to Jack and Rhys moments, especially in the end when Jack was begging Rhys to not destroy the eye he was in.
Part of me felt a little bad knowing of his past story that explained much of what Jack did, and what he had to do to get where he was up until then.
(I like to think Rhys kept the eye and had Handsome Jack trapped in there as time passes, but sadly it’s never really clarified what he did with it.)
His AI's in a gun now. In borderlands 3, there's a gun called the handsome jackhammer which speaks in his voice.
I think Jack will definitely come back in some form. He already kind of is with Timothy Lawrence his body double. Although a different person, Tim was injected with some of Jacks DNA to make him more like him, which becomes apparent during the DLC, but he's still a distinct person. I like to think of Tim as the alternate universe good version of Jack.
When I saw Jack appear as the digital version in Tales from the Borderlands I was so hyped. I had played the pre-sequel just before and remembered the Jack AI quest. In the New Tales from the Borderlands, Rhys has regressed a bit in character from his previous appearances, he's more corporate and seems to have forgotten his previous character arc, even compared to BL3. Maybe he secretly put the Jack AI back in his eye?
i kill jack for felicity
it's my personal grudge
You either love to hate him, or hate to love him, that’s how you know you’ve nailed your antagonist
He always had good intentions but stress and insanity drove him to sociopathy. Deep down he still has good intentions to revive Pandora, but in a very different way.
It just breaks my heart how he started out so good. I cried when I found this out. I feel so sorry for Angel. She lost her father long before he died…. Heartbreaking and makes me so sad….
I was just finishing up The Complete Borderlands timeline when I saw this video. Still one of my fav ytbers!
The most iconic villain in the history of video game and is awesome
Actually, him is Handsome... (This was funnier in my mind)
Jack's definitely one of my favorite baddies, mainly because he's built up so well. That's where the Calypsos shit the bed, lol. Their development is asscheeks.
Not just the developtment, theire all in all just really bad written characters. Not to mention their ridiculous physical appearance and voice synchronisation
He was great in BL2 but he was even better in Tales from the Borderlands, benefiting from having a protagonist that can actually talk back to him
His finale in TFTB was far more memorable than in BL2
man i want to know if keeping the eye is canon or not!
@@seltrixbl2623 I wish. But I don't think we will ever find out what the true canon was.
I know a lot of people want to let Jack rest, but I think he's pretty much the only Character in the series with a strong enough personal narrative to drive the upcoming borderlands movie's plot.
Oh how sad this comment is now
Sad my men sad.
I have a Theory as to why Jack had the doppelganger program so early on, while not high in the chain of command, its clear he's somewhat important, as he's overseeing helios and has direct contact with higher ups, its likely Hyperion funded the program after some convincing by Jack, likely for the unlikely event someone tries to kill the overseer of Helios
If Lilith and Co didn’t exist, Jack might’ve been a power-hungry but mostly sane CEO who fixed an entire planet by wiping it clean from murderous psychos. Almost everything he’s done was in self-defence, like with the Meriff or Zarpderp, but it’s portrayed as he’s the bad guy? He wouldn’t be the bad guy if he wasn’t betrayed for no reason multiple times.
But tbh. As much as I agree. Fiona and her sister would have been killed + possibly Athena and Janie Spriggs and whoever else who is sand on Pandora. Its a good idea but killing everyone when there are good people, its a bit of a bad one.
@@aaronh678 and Sanctuary would’ve been blown up
Once he found put how to abuse Angel's powers there was no going back. Alot of people seem to forget he was manipulating the vault hunters from the first borderlands to gain access to what was hidden in the vault. His course was set soon as he learned his daughter was a Siren didn't matter who he used or killed. Jack is without a doubt the badguy. But lilith has done some questionable things aswell
@@CrimsonFIame well we can say this about Jack, he is not Lilith
Is there a possibility that half of the existing sirens are evil?
@@frank8917 That's an interesting theory. Like what if it's the vault that draws them in and affects their personality and behavior
Jack is the epitome of "perhaps I treated you too harshly"
The lack of Jack is a big reason why I never picked up BL3. Plus the free DLC for BL2 that connects it to BL3 disincentivized me with its terrible writing.
tbh bl3 isnt engaging in its main story but the gameplay is really fucking fun and smoother. also you see a lot of loved characters return in bigger roles, imo its only worth getting on sale.
@@evapapaeliopoulos7152For me it doesn't feel worth it I do like great gameplay but if the story lacks and isn't very immersive I'll get bored really quick that's why I bought the Handsome Collection to replay old memories instead of waiting for 3 to come out the next day. Cause in 2 and TPS i can still feel myself chuckle at some of the dialogue and from my viewing the bits in 3 can't compare. Anthony Birch is top tier in writing though I might give Tiny Tina's Twisted Wonderland a try
Knowing the events of his past makes it even more sad when he's raging at the vault hunter in Borderlands 2 before he died. It makes it sad because he was so driven by his own hate that he was literally incapable of seeing the evil things he did to all of pandora. And couldn't reflect his actions because he went absolut blind by the wrath on bandits. This character is so unbelievable well written and his voice actor is just chef kiss. What a legend
I loved what Telltale did with his AI's story in TFTB. Such an amazing climax, as well the fact that it ends just as tragically as his whole journey tragically started.
It’s funny how Jack had more character and depth in borderlands 3 with a side quest and echo logs than both of the calypsos who were the main villain throughout the whole game. I actually hope they retcon Jack back ngl cause he’s so much better than any other villain gearbox has tried
To think, if we'd let Jack live and succeed in his plans, we might have got an interesting story in Borderlands 3! Yeah I went there.
He would probably form an unlikely alliance with the raiders to fight the children of the vault.
He was right... we WERE the villains...
I refuse to believe Ava and Tyreen were my fault. That is just too painful, haha
I'd start saying what I hate about borderlands 3's story but I dont want to write you a novel
@@madcap3450 More like Volume after Volume on how not to make a successful story gameplay fun story too much streamer jokes coming from someone with a deep hatred for TikTok have to mute my tv till i sabotage the twins propaganda crap Gearbox loves shoving in our faces with Lilith and Maya's defeat like they want to piss off the players throughout the game instead of them wanting to come back for more
@@jojomuppet1820 Let's not forget Ava. Cause including an annoying scrappy doo character who inexplicably is never even blamed for all the bs they cause and who constantly gets all the credit for everything the player does is great right?!
For me while I pretty much figure Jack is dead his prescence throughout Borderlands 3 is still seen especially with the Krieg dlc and the Handsome Jackpot.
Makes me wonder if he ever had a back up plan in the event he died.
But a few ideas ran through my head
On how jack could come back into the series.
1. Via Timonthy Jack personality has been integrated into Timonthy it was something that kept bugging me. What happens if Timonthy was pushed to the point the Jack personality takes over and he more or less resumes his role as the galactic Tyrant. The Casino was also a perfect cover whose to say this didn't already happen to Timonthy.
Bit of a stretch I know but it could be a possibility
2. Much like Zarpedon he was infused with Ancient Knowlege. But Zarpedon showed a unique ability in the pre-sequel that caught my attention she became ascended Could it be possible that Jack could come back in this state?
3. Now this theory would seem corny even this was memed upon in the game. The New-U station or just the New-U program in general in the event of his demise he would respawn using his own unique New-U basically come somewhat immortal in that sense and he would secretly manipulate events in the shadows given everything has fallen all to pieces.
4. Now another thought occurred to me was the potential of a Heir to his Corporation. He had three lovers maybe the potential of a secret love child pops up and continues Jack's Ambition.
5. While it's still a mystery of Sirens, vaults, etc. A huge what if Scenario here is one vault monster or Siren has the ability to raise the dead and he comes back ready to take the reigns once more.
6. Screw it since TK baha has become a Zombie
Jack Zombie he comes back for a spoof run.
7. Finally while this is a "huge stretch" this is going back to the siren and vault monsters powers deal the idea of Multiverse theory. Just because they got rid of one Jack could there be a possibility of another jack just waiting around in another Universe.
To me I don't think his story is exactly over, I do believe he has a role to play in the future of the series. But I don't see a Borderlands 4 in the foreseeable future.
Gearbox admitted that they were going to bring back handsome Jack for borderlands 3.
based on wiki, all 6 powers are defined. We have phaseshift (technology), phaselock (telekinesis), phasewalk (lilith teleport power), phasetrance (amara unique buddha style), phaseleech (twins power and lifecycle manpulation) and there was sixth type of power - animal manipulation (probably this type of power can control living things by telepathy) - in the separate comic book for borderlands. So unless they mark the comic book uncannon, we have 6 principle powers, non of which has control over life and death (leeching killing possibility is still not about life):
telekinesis
teleport
technokinesis
energy leeching
physical astral form
telepathy
There is no way to resurrection by using Sirens power, unless there is a way to combine them (which we never saw and it was never mentioned, that Sirens can make any synergy of powers). Also, resurrection of body will not give personality development, as there is no personality. Zombies do not evolve, so seeing Handsome Jack in 4th game series will be really bad for Handsome Jack.
Secret child of Handsome Jack by the way will play same scenario as Calypsos. Even with good character and charisma, it will still be bad motivation and story. By this time, even if there was a secret child, it should be like 15-20 years old (considering, that child was born after angel, who was 17-18 year old on moment of death and counting that there is 7 years difference) + age of difference between bl3 and bl4. To create such plot you had to leave any marks. Based on the Handsome Jack character, he is not somebody, who grow young generation with the same ideology. I would expect Handsome Jack folowwer much more possible, than his sibling with the same idea. And of course, there were no marks about any such sibling in any game.
The original picture of Jack with his wife was found in the Jakobs Manor, meaning either him or his wife had connections with the Jakobs
Borderlands 3 actually potentially explains how Jack would know about the first vault being real before anyone else. Sirens have some form of ability to see and communicate with the spirits of the previous sirens, which is shown when Ava sees maya upon receiving her power. Therefore Angel may have discovered that the vault was real due to visions from an earlier siren.
One of the villains that you don't forget
The recording playing on the turret leading to the turret coming back too life was a great homage too angel
I would love to see a piece of borderlands media cover what might have happened if Jack didn't go down his path of madness or were he didn't lose his first wife, since that seems to be were it started. Either as a small comic series or maybe a small game would be cool to see.
To be honest, it probably started when his grandmother drowned his kitten because he didn’t make his bed. Shit like that will mess a person up
Jack was one of the best villains ever made. I sure hope Gearbox/2k are able to recreate a villain almost as good as him some day
Honestly Jack's story is the best fleshed out stories I've seen in a video game. I love Handsome Jack !! I wish there was a spin off where we play as Jack and decimate every resistance on Pandora and make it a safe place, and also kill vault hunters too
i’ve been saying the same thing for years. writing in video games usually leaves lots to be desired. Borderlands 2, and in particular handsome jacks story line, is a major exception.
I had high hopes for BL3 because of that. I thought, “hey, gearbox has this writing thing figured out”.
The next best thing i’ve played after BL2, Pre Sequel and Tales is probably the Bioshock trilogy. I rate it a distant 2nd but it’s pretty good.
Lol I need to see a what if scenario where Jack succeed.
Borderlands 2 will always be my favorite!
Yeah, too bad there won't ever be BL3...
Handsome Jack is literally like the Breaking Bad of video games. Such a deep and beautifully crafted character with an astounding personality and wits but off course having the villainous intent behind his every action because of his past.
Borderlands 3 was such a missed opportunity. Instead of taking this type of awesome writing to the next level, we instead got unnecessary character deaths, ridiculous and shitty villains who have the personality of a potato and inherit all the "modern tik tok trends" (which is stupid), Lilith literally was dumbed down of her former self, and worst of all - a non enjoyable and unattractive child brat now the main focus of the series, like what the actual fuck?! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely enjoyed the hell out of Borderlands 3's gameplay it's the best of all the series. Everything was improved on a large scale, all except the writing. Atleast the DLC's were somewhat redeemable, and Psycho Krieg DLC left a very emotional touch.
Hopefully Borderlands 4 doesn't lack the narrative knack unlike BL3, because we all know that the great Borderlands war is coming among the various worlds. And it would be very sad to see such a big time event play out like a D grade average generic plot if the story is bad.
How could you dumb Lilith down anymore than she already was? He incompetence did more damage and killed more people than Jack ever could have.
The meriff and Felicity was both justified. Although Felicity part is mested up, they didn't have enough time to copy her and save the moon it was one or the other. Not that he woulda copied her anyways but it's definitely implied it was her or the survival of everyone around including Helios.
In my 18 years of gaming handsome jack is hands down my favorite villian ever.
The Calypso Twins were a fun duo to go up against, but they could never compete with our Handsome Jack
At the end of the day jack was a loving parent until the whole plot of borderlands pre sequel, Jack has clearly descended into madness but before that he was a loving father and a husband. He was a father until the bandit held angel hostage. It's a shame but it is clear
The cool thing about Jack is his path to villainy is a slow burn. He was a normal guy with hopes, dreams, ambitions. A tragedy here, a stab in the back there... from the outside looking in you can see the red flags slowly seizing his character. But what about from the inside angle where you need to survive? Or when a drastic measure is only necessary for the greater good? And then there are horrible people standing in the way of a safer tomorrow? And then... and then... and then...?? Had he succeeded, Jack likely would've been hailed by history as a hero. As it is, well... there's a reason "the good die young."
Roland's death really hit me hard as a kid playing this game. Borderlands is such a great series
Handsom Jack is a hero. Knowing the events of 3 the twins would have still made thier way to pandora, Jack not only new this but also decided to make the ultimate sacrifice in order to save everyone and everything. Without Jack being Jack in the second game the twins would have become gods like they had planned. Jack made sure there would be people strong enough to deal with the twins as he knew he was not going to be the one to do it. He also made sure there was kne less vault monster for the twins to obtain. With out Jack all would be lost. Jack is a hero, as he has been telling us. I miss you Jack.
how did jack kniw about them
@@fhufhfhjfjfjf9534 spoilers...... In the presequel jack sees the future using the elpis vault. He saw all the events of of 2 meaning he knew he was going to die. We don't get to see everything he saw but it is safe to assume he saw the events of 3 or atleast parts of it.
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Due to Lilith's interference, Jack only got fragments of the events of 2 and only up until the awakening of the Warrior. His surprise at Team 2's victory over the Warrior indicates (to me at least) that he never saw that outcome. If he did truly see all of the events of BL2 and beyond in a more orderly manner or without interruption, he would have known that his course of action after Pre-Sequel's campaign would have lead to his own downfall.
That subsequently means he never saw the Calypso Twins rising into power.
Wait wait wait wait wait! I’m pretty sure Jack would have copied Felicity if they had time to do so, unfortunately time was of the essence and they couldn’t do that.
You made it sound like Jack was heartless af doing that
He did ask her how long would it take before his final choice
@@notavailable8201 exactly, and she said a few weeks or smth, and to be fair the moon was almost destroyed by the time you save it sooooo
@@tntblaster137 Yet Lilith claims she isn't anything like Athena Wilhem Nisha or the other hired mercs for Jack. Kinda rich of her to threaten Athena for comparing her team to Lilith's. Lilith would've done the same thing if she had to make a choice to save everyone
15:57 "Call me Jack, honey,"
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16:05 "Handsome Jack."
The mood was killed along with Tasiter.
I understand the father's anger towards his daugther, but the fact that he didn't accept the daughter's powers and only made it look like a horrible curse was his biggest mistake. I'm sure of that there could be a way for him and his daughter to live life with these powers and the loss of her mother. It's not easy having someone you love to be killed by soemone else you also love such as a daughter. So much guilt and so much else.
Meeting Dameon Clarke was such a cool moment for me. Got a signed Jack picture and a copy of 2 that I'll forever treasure. Favorite villain in all of media as a whole, they don't get any better than him.
Let's take a moment and appreciate, that Jack tried to take 6 VH at the same time. Odds were highly against him - yet he took the fight.
He outright maimed Claptrap, so I'd say technically 7 vault hunters plus the OG 3 where he defeated Roland, Lilith, and Mordecai's Bloodwing
Still crazy to me that so many play Borderlands and be like "Story? You mean the haha ironic jokes between all the looty shooty? yeah good times." It had great story, characters and some real darkness behind all the goofiness and internet meme references.
If they make borderlands 4 hopefully you can bring jack back. To me he didn't seem like a villain. Just a good guy who lost his way. And plus lilth and her friends are the ones who caused him to act that way
From the words of Jack 'Joker' Napier: You could've prevented everything. Instead, you made me into this.
Jack is honestly just my favourite video game villain so ima go ahead like this before i finish watching it XD
Jack and Vaas !
This is the video i've waited for a long time. Thank you EruptionFang.
Oh man I thought you where done with these videos. Glad to see you are still making them. 👍
Been waiting for this, keep up the good work
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Really hope he comes back in some way in BL4.
Maybe his genes finally take over Timothy and timothy becomes jack completely
I would believe how Jack was able to have enough money to make a doppelganger of himself is that he probably was given a fortune by Hyperion for the vault. After all it was him that led the vault hunters thru Angel to the vault. But I believe it's said somewhere that he had pioneered tech for weapons revolving around Eridium. Only Jack could kill a man kidnap his woman and steal her catchphrase within a single moment.
I never noticed the sharp difference in how Jack talks to Angel before and after his wife's death. Before he always puts on a kind fatherly front for Angel, trying to hide his true asshole nature for her sake. Afterwards it's still a front but different. You can hear him trying to keep the resentment out of his voice but failing. He's only motivation for any kind of kindness is to get her to comply.
Forgot to mention that in Borderlands 3 there’s a lergendury called “Handsome Jackhammer” and I believe I found another one that has Jack’s voice coming from it asking “Lol hey when can I get a new body?” And all that gripe 😂
In my opinion, it is kind of sad seeing Handsome Jack go from a normal Stand Up Guy to insane psychopath
Fun-Fact: Jack A.I. from Tales From was actually put into the Handsome Jackhammer
This is deducted from a couple of choice lines from the gun.
I wonder who made that gun but I think we all know who created that gun doctor nakiama.
Jacks voice actor really knows how to put the impulsive behaviour and weight with his words
I would fucking love a game where Jack comes back, cause after all, "your stories never over until it doesn't turn a profit
Watching this video, not because I need to know more, but because the movie trailer left a gaping hole in my heart because that is #notmyborderlands
It's suspected that Jack's wife was a Jakobs as that photo of them can be found in the Jakobs manor
Would explain why he grew to despise Jakobs weapons it was a bitter reminder of his wifes death
Literally took the saying "die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" whole another level
Jack did nothing wrong. He's right. The vault hunters *are* bandits. They are mercenaries that kill on a whim with no remorse, sometimes over the most trivial of things, and are no less vile than Jack himself. They gleefully loot, maim, and murder with wild abandon sometimes simply for the sake of doing it. The Crimson Raiders are just an extension of rouge Atlas foot soldiers that have committed literal genocide across the stars. Almost everything Jack did, all of the violence, the lies, every cruel experiment, was to further the purpose of a future without the need for any of it. Jack, while undoubtedly a megalomaniac, fits neatly as the eye of the storm to the Borderlands universe and is as close to a true hero Pandora has or will ever see.
💯! Yes! I don't know how many times I questioned the morality of what we were doing as Vault Hunters and how we were any different from Handsome Jack!
You can’t do bad things to bad people and call yourself a good person. While Jack’s anger is understandable, and the grudge against Lilith, Roland, and the Crimson Raiders is justified, the sheer scope of his cruelty is beyond any sense of justification.
I mean, the dude literally engaged in horrific human experimentation, presumably just for shits and giggles, as well as the wanton slaughter of what could justifiably be called civilian targets.
Add in his treatment of his daughter, his workforce, that farce of a city he built, and the sheer amount of ‘allies’ that he ends up backstabbing…
Due may be tragic, but he was also a massive douche, and enough of a monster to make even the worst of the vault hunters look heroic by comparison.
Hearing Angel's accidental outburst that ends up killing her mom and hearing Jack's reaction....man, that hurts....
Jack is the _actual _*_hero_* of Borderlands. The vault hunters were the villains.
Gotta love his voice actor ❤❤❤❤❤ charisma
Also the daughter Angel aspect reminds me of Bioshock Infinite with Elizabeth😊
I may have to say this, but the bandit is the actual reason why Jack became that evil bastard
The more I hear about jacks story the more i feel bad about shooting him in the middle of his speech about being the hero.
We love his AS a villain!!
Honestly I can’t cry in video games, not even after listening to the ECHO stories, it’s hard for me to cry.
He sounds like Brandon Rogers who plays blitz in hell of a boss I would love to see someone make fan art of handsome Jack hiring imp to kill the crimson raiders!
cring
That’d be cute
i really liked how jack character progressed throughout the game on the pre sequel
I find it funny how Jake was built for coding and programming then his daughter gets the sirens ability to talk and control the machines.
The early loving relationship between jack and his daughter always breaks my heart
I... I just want him back... Please, Gearbox...
I won't lie I do really appreciate that Borderlands 3 made a lot of the backstory audio made Jack talk to Angel a lot nicer than he did in Borderlands 2 especially since it shows his turn into a power hungry ego maniac didn't really turn into a full swing until after the events of the Pre-Sequel.
Eager to see where the series goes from here, they might pull a MK11 and consider the adventures done or there might new DLC focusing on the new Sirens and the new era with Lilith being trapped as the key to the moon. The new crew might make it a quest to free her and yet keep the world safe?
We still haven't had the war that needed all the vault hunters that was mentioned in Pre-Sequel, so I imagine that after Wonderlands we'll eventually get Borderlands 4
If you think about it jack isn’t a villain he lost everything and if his wife didn’t die he would not go insane
Welcome to pandora kiddos
"What's a "asshole"?" "Oh, don't say those word to anyone or Daddy"
Cue Angel saying her last words to Jack:
"You're an Asshole"
In borderlands 3 they should have kept katagawa alive to become this type of villain but instead they killed him off a little too early. The calypso twins are nothing compared to jack even katagawa is a better villain than tyreen and troy.
Problem is... Handsome Jack is very much like GLADoS. Lightning in a bottle, something you really can't top or reproduce.
I admittedly been waiting for video about Jack since I noticed did insightful videos on Borderlands history and characters. One few I know of and invested fair share into, including that of the sort -psudeo- jack copy who has this neat animatic base of them and 'Jack'. Handsome Jack is pretty amazing character
He actually seemed pretty nice before the death of angels mother but of course the death of her mother broke him and became a mass murderer
I just noticed that in the scene where Jack kills the former president he is wearing his BL2 outfit, but at the start of the Pre-Sequel DLC cutscene (which takes place literally seconds/minutes after killing the Tassiter), Jack is back to his Pre-Sequel outfit with the addition of his mask.
Such a fast outfit change.