Shoutouts for raising awareness of these capacitor, specifically the clock cap. It’s extremely prone to failure on 1.0-1.5 revision Xboxes. Also, a tip to removing those heat sinks: just turn the console on for a few minutes and let it run a game or something. Maybe disconnect the fan. Let it warm itself up before you start trying to remove.
I'm wondering if you can save some old retro consoles, like NES's especially after seeing this. Reason being is, no one is making more of them, they were hardy consoles to begin with, but with it being what 40 years since release, restoring one is like a massive win for preservation. One good fix could potentially mean an 80 year old console in the future.
As long as the main chips in a NES or similar keep working, it will always be possible to repair them - assuming the PCB itself isn't utterly trashed to the point where even rewiring traces is no longer possible. The issues only start when you get a specific IC that isn't manufactured any more and has no drop-in replacement available, especially one known for failure. It's only the newer, more complex consoles where that starts to become a bit more hit-and-miss without more specialised tools - especially with so many things being surface mount/BGA etc rather than a more traditional chip.
Great video! One minor detail on through-hole soldering. Though it's more convenient to fold the leads out( to hold component) you get a cleaner installation by bending the leads straight again before soldering, and ensuring you have good solder contact 360° around the lead. Keep up the awesome work and content!
Yes, this. Also, leaving the lead bent can cause the solder blob to extend significantly past the pad outline, possibly shorting to adjacent pads, traces, ground planes, etc.
I immediately thought the same thing. Only bend them slightly, just enough to hold them in place. Now he just needs to add the additional memory in it.
Again, that's one of the best looking Xboxes I've seen. So clean. This was the best advice for new Xbox owners and you went above and beyond the usual capacitors being replaced.
You should see if you can track down an old solder down modchip for an original Xbox and show the installation we used to have to do to hack them back in the day. That was my first experience doing any actual electronic work(I had taken stuff apart before, and built a couple computers, but not much more than that). Learned so much doing it. How to solder, how a circuit board actually works, what caps and resistors are and how they work, yada yada yada. It would be a cool thing to see, especially for people who never did it.
The only cap that is almost required to be changed is the clock cap on systems under v1.6. If you remove the clock cap on a 1.6, you MUST replace it or the system will no longer boot. The other known bad caps are below the CPU/GPU area. The bigger problem is the power supply. The solder joints where the power cable connects are prone to fail and cause arcing inside the chassis. Edit: If you have a leaking clock cap, it's very important that you check the DVD drive traces that run around the perimeter of the motherboard because those are most prone to fail due to a leaking capacitor.
When removing the heat sink for the gpu, you should heat it up a little bit and twist it a bit to help remove it. Pull like that could damage the gpu. Also this is one of the few cases I would use the arctic silver cleaner, that paste does not like to come off.
Just had my 1.6 Xbox apart this morning, prepping to replace the drive. Did the thermal paste. I suspect Kryonaut ThermalGrizly is way overkill but I am seeing temps down 10C right now. Amazing. Don't need to recap my 1.6. It does not have the clock cap issue and all of them look like new. Very clean inside despite being in storage for over 10 years.
Yes! Love when you fix retro consoles! Also yes, I had to replace a capacitor in my original Xbox due to the capacitors. Thankfully my dad and brother know how to solder.
Console5 has a lot of great kits like this. I’ve bought a ton of stuff from them and it’s always good. I only just found your channel and I’ve been really enjoying it! Thanks for the great videos!
I had to do this exact repair when my original xbox stopped powering on! Definitely worth getting it sorted, there was some gnarly stuff leaking out the top of the capacitors in mine
Good to see you working on retro consoles, I know you said on your Q&A you don't really work on them but it's good to see all the same. Keep doing more!
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So glad that I made a comment in the first place and so glad that you came back to fix it! Good job
Man everytime I watch your videos I just want to start my own repair shop or at least do repairs on the side. I talented man saved my 360 back in the day by replacing the disk drive. Since that day I have always wanted to try my hand at some electronics repair.
Steve nice video as usual, usually version 1.6 Xbox the capacitors are pretty good just the ones around the main chip go bad! Definitely an awesome video.
I have the same Xbox! I've replace a set of 5 larger caps that started to fail causing the console to not power on but watching this is making me wanna go back and replace the rest. Also that GPU thermal paste 😦
Just the other day I found an OG Xbox at a thrift store for $2 and it's in absolutely mint condition, never opened no scratches. I opened it to check the caps it's as clean as the one in this video. Really excited to ad it to my retro consoles collection.
I still play my OG XBOX to this day love this console. I just had the caps replaced on OG XBOX and my Sega CD. Retro consoles is the way to go never need an update, or patch just electricity.
console5 is great, they give you the option to buy their kits, but also have a really useful wiki if you want to source the the parts yourself, unlike many other shops
7:06 Be verry careful Steve! This capacitors as I've heard from northridge fix, can burst with heat - I'd advice you to wear protection while replacing any of those.
when you're pulling the legs back up to trim them you're levering them against the solder joint, which pulls against the pads on the PCB, strongly recommend against that in case you pull out a trace, it's unlikely but harder to fix then
I was on the hunt for a while for an Xbox with a revision 1.6 motherboard in it. It doesn't have the same leaking clock capacitor issue that the earlier revision boards had. I finally found one.
I just saw MattKc fix one where the ONLY cap that hadn't leaked was the clock crystal one, which is the one that's supposed to be the worst. I found that surprising. Those recap kits are nice though. I got one for my C64. Ironically 80s caps are pretty good and less prone to leakage, but I figured why not. Hopefully get another 40 years out of the unit.
When I first got my Halo edition Xbox it actually had the dead power button fault. (Clock capacitor leaks and damages the power rails on the other side of the board causing the power button to not do anything when pressed) I just ended up replacing the board entirely, but I do plan on fixing the original board eventually. You basically just have to jump a few connections with wires to fix it. In my personal experience it’s always the three large capacitors by the CPU and the clock capacitor that goes first. Some 1.4 boards I’ve seen have these different manufacturers capacitors instead of the black Nichicon capacitors you usually see. I forget the manufacturer but they are green in color and I’ve seen them fail way less then the nichicons.
wish i could find someone like you to fix my old Nintendo 64 it's my first videogame and some capacitors are blown but no one around me wants to fix it :c
same problem with old Amiga computers, especially A600, A1200 and A4000 with SMD capacitors. Additionally, there are NC batteries that leak like hell. A500 with clocks on memory expansion cards, A3000 on the board, A2000 on the board.... if you own such computers and are not aware of it, take a look! These leaks can destroy the PCB and surrounding components.
Just took my xecuter modded xbox apart thanks to this vid. The cooling paste was very crusty lol also a purple cpu pad. Used to be fun consoles with the emulator stuff on it!
Pretty sure that if you were to remove the coolers after applying the "perfect" amount, you'd see that it's way too much. That small rectangular chip probably got 4 times as much paste as necessary.
Great stuff as always. I wish I knew where I could send my og Xbox in to get recapped, it's one of my favorite old consoles and while I snipped out the clock cap I don't really trust my ability to solder in all those caps...
What temperature do you for use the hot air station? I'm trying to replace the surface mount capacitors on my Macintosh SE/30 and I'm having troubles getting it to melt.
Wasn't so much replacing caps but taking the clock cap out. It is not needed and. Onlyuse for the clock cap is if you lose power or inplug it. Even then if you have no power for long enough still have to set time and date still.
Would you consider renaming this to something like "Xbox capacitor replacement" or something similar in the title? your videos are super informative, nicely shot and easy to understand, so it'd be a shame if someone looking for help with a recap wouldn't be able to find this video cause the title is kind of undescriptive.
Great work however as we all advocate the 'right to repair' don't solder the cap's in like that as they will be a nightmare for the next guy trying to replace them ! It looks sloppy too, they don't need to be held in mechanically that hard, keep the legs straight or at enough angle to just hold them in and for through hole any decent cored flux solder shouldn't need any more flux, marvellous work sir !...cheers.
turning the console on and letting it run for a few minutes will make getting that GPU heatsink off easier. I've seen horror pics of of those ripping off when prying like that lol
Top video as normal steve... That halo edition xbox does look very clean.. So true about the leaky caps they go bad on the og lol quite a rare console now id say i do like the orange halo edition one i have the normal clear crystal one myself
Great work as always. One small thing to note about capacitors is its ESR value. The reason the capacitors used on the CPU were polymer capacitors vs electrolytic is polymer caps have a significantly lower ESR. There are low ESR caps you can get in electrolytic but polymer makes it far easier. This is a vital thing as these CPUs are power hungry! Wrong caps will die very fast.
The capacitors on the CPU still have to be electrolytic as there isn't any polymer caps with high enough voltage rating. In the early motherboards you can get away with polymers, but not in this one.
1:54 “This is everything that came in the kit that I bought for my XBOX” Nope! You left out Luke’s signature Atomic Fireball he includes with every order. ;)
Here's the first video I made on this Xbox. Check it out if you haven't seen it: ruclips.net/video/wRceNRKmjzg/видео.html
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Shoutouts for raising awareness of these capacitor, specifically the clock cap. It’s extremely prone to failure on 1.0-1.5 revision Xboxes. Also, a tip to removing those heat sinks: just turn the console on for a few minutes and let it run a game or something. Maybe disconnect the fan. Let it warm itself up before you start trying to remove.
This is what I'm looking to do with my old Xbox to make sure it stays alive. So thanks for showing this!
No problem! It's a fun project. Good luck
@@Tronicsfix try to fix an Xbox 360 next. See if you can purchase a red ring of death one.
I'm wondering if you can save some old retro consoles, like NES's especially after seeing this. Reason being is, no one is making more of them, they were hardy consoles to begin with, but with it being what 40 years since release, restoring one is like a massive win for preservation. One good fix could potentially mean an 80 year old console in the future.
NES is still manufactured today.
Yeah. You can definitely replace the capacitors in an NES console, especially the RF box where the capacitors are prone to leak over time.
@@daddydiy9008 not original hardware. Clones-yes.
As long as the main chips in a NES or similar keep working, it will always be possible to repair them - assuming the PCB itself isn't utterly trashed to the point where even rewiring traces is no longer possible. The issues only start when you get a specific IC that isn't manufactured any more and has no drop-in replacement available, especially one known for failure. It's only the newer, more complex consoles where that starts to become a bit more hit-and-miss without more specialised tools - especially with so many things being surface mount/BGA etc rather than a more traditional chip.
Are you going to sell this?
Great video! Would love to see more repairs of consoles from the 6th and 7th generations on this channel!
Noted! Thanks
7th gen especially. Those consoles can still be used online and a lot of people still use them so they’d be better to fix
I know it would probably be harder to do. But I was almost thinking, let's fix a couple of atarii 2600s or something like that.
It would have been interesting to do measurements for both the old and new capacitors to see if and how well within spec they were.
Great video! One minor detail on through-hole soldering. Though it's more convenient to fold the leads out( to hold component) you get a cleaner installation by bending the leads straight again before soldering, and ensuring you have good solder contact 360° around the lead.
Keep up the awesome work and content!
And leaving them bent over, means they are harder to remove again in the future should it be required!
Yep, I was quite surprised when he didn't straighten them before soldering.
Yes, this. Also, leaving the lead bent can cause the solder blob to extend significantly past the pad outline, possibly shorting to adjacent pads, traces, ground planes, etc.
I immediately thought the same thing. Only bend them slightly, just enough to hold them in place. Now he just needs to add the additional memory in it.
Just did this same repair a week ago. I knew it was only a matter of time as I could see some of the caps bulging. Replaced and works flawless now.
Love these kinds of videos that show basic maintenance and how to make sure your old consoles keep working for years to come. Great job!
If only capacitors could be socketed to avoid resoldering them every 20 years. A socket could also collect any leakage.
I love the old systems! Thank you for the awesome content!
Again, that's one of the best looking Xboxes I've seen. So clean.
This was the best advice for new Xbox owners and you went above and beyond the usual capacitors being replaced.
Great save Steve, great to see someone keeping the older system going if they still good enough to do so
You should see if you can track down an old solder down modchip for an original Xbox and show the installation we used to have to do to hack them back in the day. That was my first experience doing any actual electronic work(I had taken stuff apart before, and built a couple computers, but not much more than that). Learned so much doing it. How to solder, how a circuit board actually works, what caps and resistors are and how they work, yada yada yada. It would be a cool thing to see, especially for people who never did it.
The only cap that is almost required to be changed is the clock cap on systems under v1.6. If you remove the clock cap on a 1.6, you MUST replace it or the system will no longer boot.
The other known bad caps are below the CPU/GPU area. The bigger problem is the power supply. The solder joints where the power cable connects are prone to fail and cause arcing inside the chassis.
Edit: If you have a leaking clock cap, it's very important that you check the DVD drive traces that run around the perimeter of the motherboard because those are most prone to fail due to a leaking capacitor.
When removing the heat sink for the gpu, you should heat it up a little bit and twist it a bit to help remove it. Pull like that could damage the gpu. Also this is one of the few cases I would use the arctic silver cleaner, that paste does not like to come off.
I was thinking the same think, removing heat sink like that can cause damage to solder balls underneath the GPU chip
Just had my 1.6 Xbox apart this morning, prepping to replace the drive. Did the thermal paste. I suspect Kryonaut ThermalGrizly is way overkill but I am seeing temps down 10C right now. Amazing. Don't need to recap my 1.6. It does not have the clock cap issue and all of them look like new. Very clean inside despite being in storage for over 10 years.
Wow Steve, this is a first for me, seeing you fix a retro console on your channel.
Hope you enjoy it! I did already make a video on this a while back. You should check that one out too
Yes! Love when you fix retro consoles! Also yes, I had to replace a capacitor in my original Xbox due to the capacitors. Thankfully my dad and brother know how to solder.
Console5 has a lot of great kits like this. I’ve bought a ton of stuff from them and it’s always good. I only just found your channel and I’ve been really enjoying it! Thanks for the great videos!
I had to do this exact repair when my original xbox stopped powering on! Definitely worth getting it sorted, there was some gnarly stuff leaking out the top of the capacitors in mine
Always the best amount of Thermal Paste! I HATE when people when cleaning out consoles tend to put "X" with it or squiggle lines.
Hey Steve! Thank you for the content, keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
Love to see when you guys show the OG consoles some love 💯👍🏾
Good to see you working on retro consoles, I know you said on your Q&A you don't really work on them but it's good to see all the same. Keep doing more!
So glad that I made a comment in the first place and so glad that you came back to fix it! Good job
Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, GameCube, Retro. repair videos would be absolutely awesome!
Man everytime I watch your videos I just want to start my own repair shop or at least do repairs on the side. I talented man saved my 360 back in the day by replacing the disk drive. Since that day I have always wanted to try my hand at some electronics repair.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, real nostalgia trip on these older consoles.
Steve nice video as usual, usually version 1.6 Xbox the capacitors are pretty good just the ones around the main chip go bad! Definitely an awesome video.
I have the same Xbox! I've replace a set of 5 larger caps that started to fail causing the console to not power on but watching this is making me wanna go back and replace the rest. Also that GPU thermal paste 😦
I figured since I was in there I might as well replace them all.
Just the other day I found an OG Xbox at a thrift store for $2 and it's in absolutely mint condition, never opened no scratches. I opened it to check the caps it's as clean as the one in this video. Really excited to ad it to my retro consoles collection.
I still play my OG XBOX to this day love this console. I just had the caps replaced on OG XBOX and my Sega CD. Retro consoles is the way to go never need an update, or patch just electricity.
console5 is great, they give you the option to buy their kits, but also have a really useful wiki if you want to source the the parts yourself, unlike many other shops
My fav channel in RUclips the best in technical service topic for me a salute 👋
Thanks for showing the de-soldering tool. Learn a lot from your vids. Thanks!
This video came "Back to the Future" (date 02/13/22) 😀
Nice video @TronicFix as always! I don't miss one! ❤
A ticking time bomb!! Lol I really love these old console fixes. Maybe you could fix an old playstation 1. Great video.
That's a funny looking call of duty Cold war zombies gun 2:08 😂😂
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Be verry careful Steve!
This capacitors as I've heard from northridge fix, can burst with heat - I'd advice you to wear protection while replacing any of those.
Congrats! You finally have the original Xbox Halo Edition fixed. Keep it up, Steve.
preemptive fix, you've really outdone yourself this time! 😀💪🔥
Used JLCPCB for my senior design project. Really good stuff 👌
I have replaced those capacitors, it's a pain but such a peace of mind 😌 when you do it
when you're pulling the legs back up to trim them you're levering them against the solder joint, which pulls against the pads on the PCB, strongly recommend against that in case you pull out a trace, it's unlikely but harder to fix then
I really wish new consoles were this easy to take apart. Makes keeping them clean easier.
Amazing. Caps are one of the leading circuit problem cause so it's always good to replace them from to time
So happy to see you work on an og console!
And that perfect amount of thermal paste! So satisfying!!
Finally a trusted source I can rely on when I do mine
I've got a Xbox and Console5 cap set on my workbench ready to do this exact same work! Marking the old caps is a good tip.
Helps to heat up the heatsinks and wiggle. Sometimes the paste is hard enough to pull the chips off the board, bad time.
We want home and shop tour btw great job.
Just what I needed on my lazy Friday and such a great console the original Xbox, especially the green edition!
Agreed!
The Halo green on that console looks amazing.
Love seeing some original Xbox content.
I was on the hunt for a while for an Xbox with a revision 1.6 motherboard in it. It doesn't have the same leaking clock capacitor issue that the earlier revision boards had. I finally found one.
I just saw MattKc fix one where the ONLY cap that hadn't leaked was the clock crystal one, which is the one that's supposed to be the worst. I found that surprising. Those recap kits are nice though. I got one for my C64. Ironically 80s caps are pretty good and less prone to leakage, but I figured why not. Hopefully get another 40 years out of the unit.
Love the OG Xbox, picked one up yesterday! Like brand new inside and hadn’t been opened since 2004-05-15
Love to see more retro consoles repairs !
When I first got my Halo edition Xbox it actually had the dead power button fault. (Clock capacitor leaks and damages the power rails on the other side of the board causing the power button to not do anything when pressed) I just ended up replacing the board entirely, but I do plan on fixing the original board eventually. You basically just have to jump a few connections with wires to fix it. In my personal experience it’s always the three large capacitors by the CPU and the clock capacitor that goes first. Some 1.4 boards I’ve seen have these different manufacturers capacitors instead of the black Nichicon capacitors you usually see. I forget the manufacturer but they are green in color and I’ve seen them fail way less then the nichicons.
I am watching you for years now, and today I see ovaj računar? To si ti, Stevo? :P
wish i could find someone like you to fix my old Nintendo 64
it's my first videogame and some capacitors are blown but no one around me wants to fix it :c
same problem with old Amiga computers, especially A600, A1200 and A4000 with SMD capacitors. Additionally, there are NC batteries that leak like hell. A500 with clocks on memory expansion cards, A3000 on the board, A2000 on the board.... if you own such computers and are not aware of it, take a look! These leaks can destroy the PCB and surrounding components.
Nice work, that was a TON of thermal paste for a P3 lol, but I've seen so much worse from oem
Was there a reason you didn't go with ceramic caps? Appreciate the vids!
Just took my xecuter modded xbox apart thanks to this vid. The cooling paste was very crusty lol also a purple cpu pad. Used to be fun consoles with the emulator stuff on it!
That resistor sliding at 7:14 made me almost doubt that it was going to turn on first try haha
Thank you, Steve, this was really informative and educational.
Full recap makes you happy s2
It was a rather enjoyable job
Ahh the classic 808! I still have one in my tool box.
I'd love to see you work on older game systems! Hopefully see you work more on older systems
I love that you said the perfect amount of thermal paste by your opinion hahah.
Love your videos! I did notice that computer you were using to advertise that pcb website that it was on Serbian/Croatian? 😀
Your videos are so adictive. I could watch this for hours.
Pretty sure that if you were to remove the coolers after applying the "perfect" amount, you'd see that it's way too much. That small rectangular chip probably got 4 times as much paste as necessary.
I was shocked when u used hot Air to desoldered those Aluminum Capacitors, they gonna pop when exposed to extreme heat
Nicely done Steve!
Nice video! Loving what you do! 👍
Hey Tronicsfix! I’m a big fan and have a small question. If you could work on any piece of technology from any time what would it be?
Great job Steve 👏 👍 👌 so enjoy your videos 📹 😊 please keep them coming 🙏 👍 and here to help get your videos 📹 😉 out to everyone to enjoy them 😀 😊 😉
Amazing video as always!
It is great you showed how to do a re-capping!
Great stuff as always. I wish I knew where I could send my og Xbox in to get recapped, it's one of my favorite old consoles and while I snipped out the clock cap I don't really trust my ability to solder in all those caps...
What temperature do you for use the hot air station? I'm trying to replace the surface mount capacitors on my Macintosh SE/30 and I'm having troubles getting it to melt.
i was waiting for this video
Wasn't so much replacing caps but taking the clock cap out. It is not needed and. Onlyuse for the clock cap is if you lose power or inplug it. Even then if you have no power for long enough still have to set time and date still.
Would you consider renaming this to something like "Xbox capacitor replacement" or something similar in the title? your videos are super informative, nicely shot and easy to understand, so it'd be a shame if someone looking for help with a recap wouldn't be able to find this video cause the title is kind of undescriptive.
I was actually thinking of that. I'll probably add it onto the end of the title.
@@Tronicsfix Awesome! Love the vids keep it up!
Wow you are brave. Smd caps like to pop when you use hot air.
8:01 Now THAT'S what I call "The Perfect Amount Of Thermal Paste"!
Great work however as we all advocate the 'right to repair' don't solder the cap's in like that as they will be a nightmare for the next guy trying to replace them ! It looks sloppy too, they don't need to be held in mechanically that hard, keep the legs straight or at enough angle to just hold them in and for through hole any decent cored flux solder shouldn't need any more flux, marvellous work sir !...cheers.
turning the console on and letting it run for a few minutes will make getting that GPU heatsink off easier. I've seen horror pics of of those ripping off when prying like that lol
Setting the date to February 13, 2022, this Xbox is living in the future!
Top video as normal steve... That halo edition xbox does look very clean.. So true about the leaky caps they go bad on the og lol quite a rare console now id say i do like the orange halo edition one i have the normal clear crystal one myself
Great work as always. One small thing to note about capacitors is its ESR value. The reason the capacitors used on the CPU were polymer capacitors vs electrolytic is polymer caps have a significantly lower ESR. There are low ESR caps you can get in electrolytic but polymer makes it far easier. This is a vital thing as these CPUs are power hungry! Wrong caps will die very fast.
The capacitors on the CPU still have to be electrolytic as there isn't any polymer caps with high enough voltage rating.
In the early motherboards you can get away with polymers, but not in this one.
@@Snowpiercer2 those caps are absolutely polymer. that casing gives it away
@@AmigaofRochester Yes the three 1500uF ones, but not the 3300uF ones on the CPU.
Awsome video. Hey Steve. Have you ever a stereo, radio 📻 etc.. ??
I'm curious where you got your Hakko808?
1:54 “This is everything that came in the kit that I bought for my XBOX”
Nope! You left out Luke’s signature Atomic Fireball he includes with every order. ;)
I also would love to see more retro repairs
Saludos desde Ecuador, excelentes videos
great video lad keep up with the good work ps how are you doing today ☺️🙂
First public reply.
On the first public comment.
@@KevinNguyen1 who me?
@@KevinNguyen1 thank you
@@crimecity Yes the first comment on the video when it went public for everyone.