You're SORRY, Waves? NO WAY! (Waves plugins ALTERNATIVES)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- The latest Waves storm has been probably the largest one this year in pro audio community. Introducing a new subscription model without possibility of buying perpetual licenses, cancelling Waves Update Plan and forcing people to join subscription in the future. Then saying sorry, bringing perpetual licensing back, bringing WUP back... What a MESS!
And you know what, Waves? Many people completely stopped trusting you and your practices. I address this vid to those, who want to leave Waves behind and move on. If you're looking for verified Waves plugins alternative - you'll find them in this vid. Enjoy!
0:00 Intro
4:42 Waves plugins replacements - Abbey Road series
8:11 More Waves plugins to be replaced
18:49 Summing tha thingz up! 
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I was tired of waves BS long before this recent threat of theirs.. I don't have enough music making time as it is, and having to jump through hoops and install multiple versions of their older software to get things to working would drive me crazy.. I already bought the plugin, now I'm spending two hours trying to get them working again. infuriating!! lol.. rant over
Hi there ! By the way for those who don't have UAD devices, Arturia has a nice emulation of the dbx 160
Well done. Thanks for the video.
In some ways, videos like this serve an opposite purpose and if you read between the lines, for people like me the takeaway ends up being, "yeah, technically, with a bunch of scattered tools from a bunch of other companies many of which are just as bad, if I spend a bunch of money and learn a bunch of new tools, most of which won't quite be able to do exactly that thing I love in the way I love doing it, but I technically COULD replace a lot of the tools I already own..."
FWIW, I use and love most of the alternatives that you suggest here, as well as many of the Waves ones. Personally, while I agree iZotope vocal synth is powerful and does many cool things Ovox can't, the opposite is also true. Ovax is not as flexible in the colors of the sounds it can produce, but the signal routing, FX engine, and cords scales systems are incredibly well thought out.
For me, Ovox and MV-2 are about the only ones I can't find real alternatives for.
I'm not saying that all Waves plugins are bad, some of them are really good. My motivation to switch was most about pricing and updating policies, also about activation and licensing issues that happen with Waves quite a lot... Cheers!
Bless you for the suggestions!
Appreciate you and feel no sorry Paul, I exactly think and will do the same...Bye bye Waves !!!
I have never understood and never will understand the pursuit of those emulations. most of us haven't heard real hardwares, so plugin developers can tell us whatever they want and we'll just have to believe. not to mention the fact that even the same items can give a slightly different sound. It just marketing and good business
true story what you say , here is my story ; - compressors .... safe trick , no one can really hear what they do . that's why there is tons of them about
Stopped using Waves a while back...didn't find them helpful anymore and there are way better options out there. Good to see you back, btw cheers
Hellloooo, Johnny, good to see you, man!
UAD made the original hardware units of the LA-2a and the 1176 so of course their versions are best. Best of luck with the studio economics Paul and thanks for turning me on to the brilliant MetaGrid Pro which is now an Important part of my studio.
Thanks, see you soon!
GREAT VÍDEO, again! Thanks. Any sugestion for CLA VOCALS?
Thanks, Rogerio! I would suggest Leapwing Al Schmitt - very similar "automatic" concept of treating vocals!
Great video, are there any replacements for waves harmony , waves tune reel tune, cla vocals and ovox vocal resynthesis. Thanks
Ovox is mentioned in the vid - I would go iZotope Vocal Synth 2. Real Tune - Antares Auto Tune. Waves Harmony - one of Eventide harmonizers (they're the best!). CLA Vocals - Leapwing UltraVox.
My only skepticism I that I don't know about how others got their waves plugins but I almost only purchased them on sale for an average of 29 bucks.
That's pretty hard to beat. Having said that I don't really need them anymore cause my workflow has moved on :-)
One issue in your replacing suggestion is that for example Rootone in discount costs as much as 4 waves plugins on discount and that was only one example. Zener Bender is even more expensive than Rootone. etc etc but I guess it is what It is (btw I sometimes will prefer mBassador to Rootone cause I find Rootone too clean sometimes for specific tasks)
I own quite a few waves thingies but tbh I use them less and less in the last years. Some however I find very nice. Like Torque I find sweet. Do you have any similar plugin to suggest?
very good list of replacments. I only have 2 Waves plugins. H-delay which I really love and have problems stop using. I mostly use Replika from NI to replace, but also have the Valhalla Delay - but use that for other things like doubling. I have been looking for Maxxbass replacement so I must check out your suggestion. Also, as a Cubase/Nuendo user you should check out the Supervision plugin for loudness meter ;)
I will. Thanks, Glenn!
Try Cocoa Delay ;)
I used to use a few Waves plugins for my vocal chain (Scheps Omni Channel, SSL 4000E, RVox, RDess). Since January I've moved to using exclusively UAD-2 plugins: Precision De-Esser, C-Suite C-Vox, AMS Neve DFC and the best LA-2A emulation in the market. The only non UAD plugin I use is Izotope De-Click.
I enjoyed a number of Waves plugins but I never liked their fake discounts. It always seemed odd to me.
UAD is the best move I could recommend myself. Congrats!
@@FoliaSound It's also worth noting that Universal Audio have some bundle sales on at the moment. I wonder why!
Good to see you my friend good show
Hi, James, thanks!
Nice one. Thank you very much
Thanks, man!
Hello everyone, Waves Central said there were updates for my plugins, so I clicked to update, and now Logic is filled with plugin demos that I didn't ask for. Has this happened to anyone else?
Sorry to hear that :(
That’s probably not the only thing they’ve put on your computer…-…-
Heey! What do you think about latest Waves moves? Will they fully recover from this? Are you planning to stay with them? Already left? Let me know down below. T h a n k s !
I think they will take a bit hit in the long run but still be fine overall.. a lot of people would have lost trust and will look for alternatives regardless of the back track.. If anyone knows a good alternative for waves cosmos please let me know
Yeah they are ridiculous to the max, already have been before - but to reach goals inside my production I simply dont care, as David Gnozzi said it: There are many things that I dont like but this is my job and I dont care.
Just bought MV2 yesterday because its in that sweetspot for me and it works for me.
Staying with Waves, because state of my production is priority #1.
I would just welcome if they stopped the pseudo sales and stay forever on the 29$. Because this is how much a Wave plugin costs and everyone knows it.
But sure, its always nice to know about some alternatives!
Yeah this is all very nice and all, and I did some research too to find replacements, and found some good ones, but damn I ain't got money growing on trees here smh
True. The transition process can take some time, I'd seriously hunt for promos!
Great video!!! 🔥
Thx, man!
Royal comp is indeed great. I only have the free version but it's so nice and dirty :)
TB ReelBus is a great tape sim too, worth checking out.
Agreed!
Analog Obsession has a fantastic DBX emulation. For free ;)
You could replace RVox with a stock plugin, lolololo
Also F Waves
#cancelwavescampaign
I had cr8. It broke down fast but it wasn't good anyway
rvox does some limiting or soft clipping too!
If you want to be forgiven when you screw up then you’d best learn to forgive others when they do it.
They made a mistake and apologized for it. I’m good with that.
Love Waves plugs.
25/mo for every plugin they have when the WUP was going to cost me 250 anyway to update my hundred or so Waves plugins ? No douBT!
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Thanks for this video. I was actually just about to get a few Waves plugins. Almost got a bundle, because those were on sale. Subscription based software is the worst scam since micropayments. Any company doing these things is infected on management levels beyond help and only cares about draining you from your money. Music is just a hobby to me. Sometimes I don't touch things for months, so why would I want a subscription? It's a shame for the developers, as those are no doubt hard working good people making nice products. Now I'll just have to go for a good affordable vocoder. The only thing I have no direct affordable replacement for yet (that isn't mono).
Hey, thanks for a comment! I'll make a vid about my fav, small and cheap plugin makers soon!
Dzięki! 👌
Spoko, no probs!
Alternatives to SoundShifter?
I'm using on-board Nuendo's pitch envelope plus VoiceDesigner to get great pitching results. I couldn't recommend it more!
All the plugins you suggested are 4, 6 or 8 times the price of the waves plugins.
Erm, not really when discounted? Plus: you have to take Waves Update Plan into account :)
Not when you basically have to pay for them every year…….
I'm using Waves whilst scouting plugin discounts to replace waves in the long run. Sales are inevitable.
Do you need to update your hardware unit every year ? Same for plug-in. Some waves plug-in are really on top for only 29$. Abbey road series, BB tubes, MV2, NLS, SSL EV2, Smack Attack etc...
Nie będę schizował Waves siadło na …… i będę dalej używał tego co lubię. Używam z Waves bez pajacowania i wydawania siana ponownie na te same produkty może kiedyś
Teraz ważne by robić to do robisz w sposób jaki jest najwydajniejszy więc zostawiam tą histerie z boku nich leci
I dłubie w dźwiękach jak lubię
Pozdrawiam wszystkich
WAVES IS BACK TO NORMAL
Whatever this "normal" is - ok :)
I really like most of your vids but comparing 30 bugs with ones 5x makes no sense to save money ..Amner hunter compared with free stuff...it would be fun to see if you can do something similar ..all best and looking forward for more ..
Thanks for a tip, man!
Actually as for CLA2A and RVox the cheapest alternative would be Nectar :) Its; compression algorithms are sounding really good, I did some comparisons with UAD and in some cases Nectar's Opto compressor beats out UAD LA-2A (for example on vocals for a folk song). But UAD 1176 only competes with Softube Fet MK2 sound-wise. They both sound great but different while Waves CLA76 sounds just worse
Thanks for a detailed opinion, man!
"Nectar's Opto compressor beats out UAD LA-2A (for example on vocals for a folk song). But UAD 1176 only competes with Softube Fet MK2 sound-wise."
Ummmm... You've compared to the hardware then? Or , to what works best for your usage ?
@@Rhythmattica on vocals in a several mixes I'm working on now from my clients. I compared around 10 plugins and Pro-C2 was the worst on vocals because it could't tame the dynamics properly no matter what was the setting. Sonible Smart Comp was good but lacked some energy, it was too smooth and clean + it took the most time to find the proper setting. UAD and Softube 1176 was at the top with the fastest interface and best sound, Nectar had very nice Opto mode which sounded better than LA2A from UAD in one or two songs. It's a very fat sounding compressor. UAD was brighter on sibilance and had more high mids saturation
@@huberttorzewski why compare? What works.. works.. And what doesn't ,you make it work...
Alas.. Im an old fossil, No need to use what I had... Theres way better options these days... say.. even plug ins.
@@Rhythmattica I constantly do comparisons and experimenting in a spare time to know all of my tools 100% and learn something new after doing it more than 12 years now
Korg just updated their legacy synths to silicon macs at no additional cost. This makes no sense.
Waves is probably the most ridiculous company in this business. Absolute clowns!
I have 2 of their plugins, which I bought before they’ve completely lost the plot.
There’s SO many better and cheaper (price wise) alternatives!
Hey, Tommy, I can only agree. You're of Polish origins, saying by your family name, right? Cheers!
Yep, Polski as well 😎
Came across your channel few days ago and loving the real approach.
No acting, just natural and knowledgeable reviews. Love it!
Had to subscribe ✌🏻😎
Bummer that UAD are a couple times more expensive than waves
True, until you fall into Waves Update Plan one day...
Their prices and sales are getting better, just need some patience
And a little bit of money…..
The first time they asked me for WUP, I didn’t, here is the running order…
Get a good job that pays quite well
The mixes I’m given to finish have waves plugins all over it, and many different ones.
Work out that I’ll need Horizon, it’s $3999!!!!!
No choice if I want to keep the job and hopefully the client.
After 7 months waves puts Horizon on sale for $399!!!!!!!
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Waves tells me I must have WUP to keep using the plugins „up to date???)
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At first look that will cost over $300 or so
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But don’t worry, there is a maximum cap?????
$270 or so…
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And you get a credit to that amount for more plugins, like the ones that should be part of the Horizon bundle maybe???
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But wait, it would only be $130 more to buy the bundle new now….
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So what is updated and upgraded? Waves Central is and…..and…..nothing else!
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Waves is constantly crashing my projects, have to use waves online/on the Telefon to fix it, why? Cause Waves is deeply, very deeply embedded in the registry and it changes things in your computer that don’t have anything to do with the plugin operation, no other plugin companies are so deep in my computer…
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Then support is gone because I’ve no WUP, AND WAVES KEEPS BREAKING MY WINDOWS!!!
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Format c:
Are waves just a shell to put Spyware on my computer for the Israelis?
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Bye bye Waves, waves goodbye!
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Hello Plugin Alliance!
Hello Analog Obsession…wait they’re free!
@murraywebster1228, You said... "Waves is deeply, very deeply embedded in the registry and it changes things in your computer that don’t have anything to do with the plugin operation, no other plugin companies are so deep in my computer"… And also.... "Are waves just a shell to put Spyware on my computer for the Israelis?" Very excellent observations and question. I've had the very same suspicions. Especially after one time I was actually able to get through to them (a notoriously difficult thing to do.. try and get some kind of customer service.. and when you do they treat you like some kind of subservient peon) and had to give them access to my computer in order to fix a problem. I'm certainly no computer whizz but savvy enough to realize that where the guy had to go and delete a file was way off in some obscure place that obviously had nothing to do with music or plugins. The whole experience left me with a very creepy feeling. When I got slammed with the first round of W.U.P. I was very turned off by the obvious money grabbing strategy. I reluctantly paid for about half my plugins... The ones I felt like I'd use the most and some I replaced with better sounding UA plugins. But another thing I find extremely irritating (I'm surprised I haven't heard more people griping about this) is they're constantly upgrading their "Waves Central" app and every time they do it knocks out all their plugins. I can't tell you how many times I've had to stop right in the middle of a mixing session to deal with their Waves Central update in order to get their plugins up and running again. WOW!?? REALLY!!?? WHY?? I have plugins from at least 10 other companies and NOBODY else makes you do that. Especially in the earlier days just trying to figure out how to register and authorize their plugins was a nightmare. I ended up spending hours and hours trying to hack through the confusing maze.... Many times finding myself right back where I started over and over. Ending up logging so many hours I started feeling like a Waves employee. I guess I work for Waves now... Sure wish I could back charge them for my hours.
actually I think you did a favour to Waves, to have all these plugs in one place for just a monthly fee is not that bad after all, especially for a new user
Well, if you think so, you're free to subscribe :)
@@FoliaSound aa no no, old Uad user here no need, but if you see out of the box your video honestly you have much more options for the moment into native versus Uad, just with one install and one monthly fee versus buying all those plugs separately
@@plutostube , UAD Spark native plugins also come as a subscription plan :)
@@FoliaSound yes but you have just a few, not that much yet
@@plutostube trure, but they are highest quality algos plus their number is growing constantly. If I was to subscribe something, I'd definitely go UAD, not Waves!
One UAD plugin will get you 2 years of Waves subscription when you can use 200 high quality plugins. Just saying
UAD is also discounted sometimes. And also is available as a subscription. And, frankly, I prefer 20 UAD algorithms than 200 Waves ones. Waves, sorry to say, are mostly outdated both in sound and GUI.
@@FoliaSound i guess it depends on your genre. I found Waves CLA compressors absolutely the best for dance music. And UAD more suited for rock. I’m not into subscription nonsense but just pointing out they comparing 29 dollar plugin to 300 one is unfair
Waves R2R only