Great solution none of these pocket cruiser under 18 feet have much room but i guess what i've always liked about the Siren 17 is that front window - yeah i can't call it a port window maybe a deck window but to me it make the cabin look bigger . again a great job on the cushion solution and gave you both a good berth for sleeping with a little left for foot space. back in the 80's -90's i had a RK21 (most will say what ) but on the lines of a Catalina 22 maybe than moved down to a 18 foot can't remember the name but more of a flat deck with a cabin and a shoal keel yeah i wish i had bought a Siren 17 instead . now almost 30 years later i got the bug for a sailboat again - it must go in cycles 🤔
@@siren17 yes, she's 24 ft, but a cabin not much bigger than yours, but the space under the table needs an infill as you have made, so thanks again for the ideas.
I currently have a Precision 18 which I love sailing in the Great Lakes regions but this Siren looks like a pretty cool trailer sailor also! My next boat will be a Montgomery 17 if I can find one!
Precision 18 looks nice. A bit harder to trailer and launch because of the higher draft but much more ballast than the Siren 17 thus, more forgiving. The Siren 17 is definitely on a tender side.
Would you say the Siren 17 is a good beginner sailboat? Could you potentially use it with just a small outmotor if theres no wind or you dont feel like sailing on a specific day?
Yes it is a great beginner boat. The keel locking system is a bit complicated to use but most of the time, you don’t really need to lock it unless there are serious risk to capsize. Also, running a small ICE outboard motor is noisy and gets annoying. You may want to look at an electric alternative.
Clever thinking! I want to ask if it's possible in your mind to travel the world and cross oceans on a boat this size? I love the Siren 17 and I've been thinking about building a wooden boat roughly the same size, but a lot of my friends and family don't think it's possible to cross oceans and weather storms on a boat this size. I'm curious to hear your opinion, if you care to share it.
Hi Martin, thanks for watching. So a big NO on the Siren as a blue water boat and cross oceans. This is a lightly ballasted boat strictly for coastal cruising. You can do long passages on a small boat but I would definitely pickup something above 20’, more like a Cape Dory 25. you want a well rounded boat with lots of ballast to stay up right in rough seas. Good luck!
@@siren17 So a big no to the Siren, but what if it had a much thicker hull and the same ballast-to-displacement ratio as the bigger blue water cruisers? I'm having trouble understanding why the length matters.
@@Verradonairun It's not so much the length, people have circumnavigated with small boats but those boats were really seaworthy, strong and a designed that was heavily ballasted. Some good read for you here... www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/ www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/ No way you can modified a Siren to make her seaworthy and fit for blue water. And you probably want to look at boats in the 25-30' range.
@@siren17 Thank you so much for the article. It states quite interestingly (at the very end of the article) that an American, Webb Chiles, completed a circumnavigation with an 18-foot Drascome Lugger. This sounds especially insane, since it goes on to mention that this boat was "open", which I assume means without a deck to prevent flooding. I may be crazy, but maybe not as crazy as this gentleman! Anyways, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to answer my question and I look forward to watching more of your content. Cheers!
@@Verradonairun Yes, that guy in the 18-footer is the exception to the rule. I mean, if you have 100 people try this, I think the great majority if any would not make it around the world and most of them would likely perish...
Great solution none of these pocket cruiser under 18 feet have much room but i guess what i've always liked about the Siren 17 is that front window - yeah i can't call it a port window maybe a deck window but to me it make the cabin look bigger . again a great job on the cushion solution and gave you both a good berth for sleeping with a little left for foot space. back in the 80's -90's i had a RK21 (most will say what ) but on the lines of a Catalina 22 maybe than moved down to a 18 foot can't remember the name but more of a flat deck with a cabin and a shoal keel yeah i wish i had bought a Siren 17 instead . now almost 30 years later i got the bug for a sailboat again - it must go in cycles 🤔
Very good solution for such a small boat. Nicely done. Thanks for sharing.
This is the sort of thing I'm planning for my LM24, so thanks for the video.
Is that a 24' long boat? If it is, you are in a good shape, 17' is quite small for cruising. Thanks for watching.
@@siren17 yes, she's 24 ft, but a cabin not much bigger than yours, but the space under the table needs an infill as you have made, so thanks again for the ideas.
I currently have a Precision 18 which I love sailing in the Great Lakes regions but this Siren looks like a pretty cool trailer sailor also!
My next boat will be a Montgomery 17 if I can find one!
Precision 18 looks nice. A bit harder to trailer and launch because of the higher draft but much more ballast than the Siren 17 thus, more forgiving. The Siren 17 is definitely on a tender side.
Precision is a Jim Taylor design and superior boat
Excellent!!!
That's basically how the sailboat shipped originally. The outside benches aren't the entire berth.
Would you say the Siren 17 is a good beginner sailboat? Could you potentially use it with just a small outmotor if theres no wind or you dont feel like sailing on a specific day?
Yes it is a great beginner boat. The keel locking system is a bit complicated to use but most of the time, you don’t really need to lock it unless there are serious risk to capsize. Also, running a small ICE outboard motor is noisy and gets annoying. You may want to look at an electric alternative.
Very well done work and video. Are you trained as an engineer, or are you just a clever guy?
Don't know, maybe just a clever guy with an engineering mind :)
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I am wondering how you manage to keep your stove in place? Your table is very nice! What type of wood did you use?
You mean inside the boat when stored or in the cockpit while cooking?
@@siren17 Inside the cabin in its storage space. I can't tell from the videos how it is secured. Thanks
@@raymtl8892 there is a small strip of plastic screwed in to prevent the stove from sliding out.
does it have some form of quarter berths?
Yes but just ok for kids. We use them for storage.
Did the cushions come with the boat or did you have them done?
Yes, cabin cushions are original but I made a filler cushion to go over the table
Clever thinking!
I want to ask if it's possible in your mind to travel the world and cross oceans on a boat this size? I love the Siren 17 and I've been thinking about building a wooden boat roughly the same size, but a lot of my friends and family don't think it's possible to cross oceans and weather storms on a boat this size. I'm curious to hear your opinion, if you care to share it.
Hi Martin, thanks for watching. So a big NO on the Siren as a blue water boat and cross oceans. This is a lightly ballasted boat strictly for coastal cruising. You can do long passages on a small boat but I would definitely pickup something above 20’, more like a Cape Dory 25. you want a well rounded boat with lots of ballast to stay up right in rough seas. Good luck!
@@siren17 So a big no to the Siren, but what if it had a much thicker hull and the same ballast-to-displacement ratio as the bigger blue water cruisers? I'm having trouble understanding why the length matters.
@@Verradonairun It's not so much the length, people have circumnavigated with small boats but those boats were really seaworthy, strong and a designed that was heavily ballasted. Some good read for you here...
www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/
www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/
No way you can modified a Siren to make her seaworthy and fit for blue water. And you probably want to look at boats in the 25-30' range.
@@siren17 Thank you so much for the article. It states quite interestingly (at the very end of the article) that an American, Webb Chiles, completed a circumnavigation with an 18-foot Drascome Lugger. This sounds especially insane, since it goes on to mention that this boat was "open", which I assume means without a deck to prevent flooding. I may be crazy, but maybe not as crazy as this gentleman!
Anyways, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to answer my question and I look forward to watching more of your content. Cheers!
@@Verradonairun Yes, that guy in the 18-footer is the exception to the rule. I mean, if you have 100 people try this, I think the great majority if any would not make it around the world and most of them would likely perish...