Fun part about Elizabeth's IK: She's a "bonus boss" in Persona 3, and the toughest fight in the game. The "9999" you see is a reference of the damage she does with Megidolan (which is what her IK is) if you happen to violate certain restricitons in her fight (including bringing multiple characters, using certain passives or skills, or even TAKING TOO LONG to beat her). 9999 damage... in a game where you max HP is 999. That's right, she'll kill you 10 times over for doing something "not allowed".
She uses it every time after she summoned Nebiros, I think around 10 turns. She got two types of Megidolaon, Masakado Megidolaon and Pixie Megidolaon. The first one is the one she uses after every 10 turns while the latter is the delete button which she uses every time the player “break the rule” and when her health is below 10.000 (even started looping afterwards, basically not even letting you win). So yeah, basically you have to be invincible every 10 turns and accurately dealing enough damage to beat her when her health is nearing low so she won’t have a chance to use the delete button.
Tohru “we live in a society” Adachi is still my favorite one cause one the lore behind it, two it’s a spoiler in itself for those who haven’t played P4 and three it’s Adachi lmao
I wasn’t expecting Max to be interested in Ken, but I guess it’s more because A. Max was more interested in Koromaru B. He shares a name with one of Max’s favorite characters
That's like, a majority of people who play Ken. They play him because of Koromaru. If Ken didn't have Koro, then it's most likely people wouldn't play him.
Pointless easter egg detail for Yukiko which I think deserves +1 score, her Persona's name is Konohana Sakuya, her instant kill does 398 hits. 3 = Sa(n) 9 = Ku 8 = Ya (kun reading)
it's interesting to see the evolution of arcsys's over-the-top finishers. Coming off of Accent Core and Blazblue Calamity trigger, these looked insane, but they're kind of subdued when compared to Blazblue's later Astrals and especially Xrd's Instant Kills, but I still find them fun and charming.
99%of these supers are wack asf tbh. Compared to Blazeblue central, Granblue fantasy versus, Rev 2, Streetfighter 5. I love persona 4 Ultimax I have it for ps4 years ago. Not sure about buying it again though? Unless it has new characters, Don't care about roll back netcode at all. Just a casual gamer. Who likes to fight homies offline. Hey check out Fist of the North star game by Arc system works for japanese ps2. Game is broken asf but Legendary.
Chie still has one of my favore IK's in any game, just because I never get tired of Galactic Punting people into space. I wouldn't change a thing about that one.
Sho is actually just Ragnas Devoured by Darkness and the final hit of his Astral, but I allways feel they lack impact, that the ones in Blazblue doesnt, dont know if its audio mixing or what
I would that it's only because they were being appropriate for the property. Blazblue and Xrd are high fantasy, Persona is just slightly supernatural reality, even then, there were crazy creative ideas going on for some of these like Akihiko and Chie. Elizabeth, Marie, and Yosuke got really shafted though, even compared to other characters in this game
Its a shame that Max doesnt know much about the "lore supers". Ken's IK is using 2 instant kill spells at once, kanji's is a reference to books you can read in the game, etc.
@@emilianoizanagi2245 He seemed to know about the "Persona 3 thing" in reference to the Shadow Operatives using evokers so he might have seen something from that game (or the anime).
@@thegamerfe8751 Tbf the Evokers were like the most instantly iconic thing about Persona 3 Even people who aren't Persona fans will probably recognize either that or any of the big songs from P5 like Last Surprise or Life Will Change
@@icedcapplord710 Non Persona fans recognizing evokers from P3 is really stretching it cause it's not that recognizable outside of the JRPG community (and even then P5 is the most known game from the series so the previous games get overshadowed by it for mon JRPG fans and even a lot of JRPG fans) but hey, I never said he played it I only said "might have seen something from that game or the anime".
Yu's instant kill being Myriad Truths is so perfect once you realize the story context from Persona 4 The lore related supers are my favorite in the game EDIT: Also shout out to Chie doing the Galactic Punt and Adachi shoving someone into the TV World like their name is Mayumi Yamuno
@@_zyphis_2281 Going off what Usereh said, yeah pretty much. Izanami's evolved form's killing move is called "myriad truths." From what I understand, it was meant to be a "false" truth, yet a personal truth; the revelation to live one's own life how THEY want to live and no longer restraining oneself to another's truth. Calling to Shadow Yu in the P4G animation/movie, "I wanted to stay with everyone. I didn't care if it was just an illusion in the fog. I don't care as long as I'm with everyone! I don't want to live a life without being connected to anyone! I've had my share of solitude!" Yu Narukami's "Myriad Truths" were the one thing capable of driving back the entire world's cruel truth, for his own will gave birth to a seemingly foolish yet breathtakingly purifying truth that he did not have to embrace a truth not his own. After all, the word "myriad" directly means "a countless or extremely great number." The world's truths are nothing compared to the truths of each individual's pure hearts, and so the Myriad Truths is Yu Narukami's finishing attack as the Fool Arcana: initially empty, yet with limitless possibilities. Tl;Dr, Yu Narukami, despite likely being a shut-in, was willing to literally do everything and anything not to be alone, and this is a reason why he's represented by the fool arcana (empty, yet limitless.) His "Myriad Truths" is the fully realizes representation: there are limitless truths, in embracing that, he doesn't need to feel alone ever again.
Adachi's definitely a 10/10, but I really don't see how Yu is anything higher than a 6. Even though it does become Izanagi-no-okami, it's just a big lightning bolt on a character who already shoots big lightning bolts with Maziodyne. Myriad Truths as it looked in the actual game would've been a bit more interesting.
@@Jtyungin Nah, I gotta disagree. Some characters really just got the short end of the stick like Yukiko. You're telling me her signature move in the games is Burning Petals, and her IK involves Petals, and they DON'T have the petals burst into flames to finish off the opponent? Big missed opportunity.
The thing about p4au's instakills is that what a lot lack in big impact or flashiness, they make up for in references to the games they're from, which is kind of a double edged sword
I think the reason the supers are primarily lore references is cuz the game was obviously made for fans of the rpg games, so without the lore some seem kinda lackluster
You can make supers look and feel great while also adding lore references. They are not mutually exclusive. The biggest thing all of these Insta Kills lacked where camera work and good sound design. Some awesome Supers/Insta Kills in otther games would look meh if it wasn't for the camera work and sound. Here the camera work is basically non existent and the sound is lacking really hard, barely selling the audience how impactful the attacks are.
@@taigaaisaka6305 I feel like part of that is it is all sprite work. So if you wanted to make elaborate IKs, it would be much more expensive than the ones shown here. I bet the budget wasn't exactly huge for P4A anyway
Aw man it's just the instant kills. I was kinda hoping for a rate the super on the normal supers cause a lot of them are really cool and show off the characters better. The instant kills mostly fall into the category of lore references that you need to play the game to understand. Like Yu's is a 10/10 if you know what it's referencing but on it's own it just looks like a big lightning attack.
And Ken and Koromaru's finisher use both Hama and Mudo, the light and dark instant kill spells from the series. That one is cool literally if you know the lore. XD
@@garcon45 I know the lore, and even knowing the lore it kinda just looked like a bunch of setup just for them to put you into a discoball with 0 impact.
See I really like a lot of these because they are sorta cuts from the series. Like Elizabeth doing what she does in her boss fight and Chie’s being her instant kill move from the actual game.
His is creative and funny, everyone else's is just fill the screen with a bunch of random shit. Junpei, Yusuke, Chie, and both Labyrs have the best ones
It's also glitched.. If you land it and the time runs out on the round the enemy will just keep spinning for like 30 seconds until the game just cuts to black and continues.
For context, ken and koromaru are using spells from their game that have a chance of instant killing. There elements are light and dark respectively… but I’m sure the persona 3&4 fans knew that already
@@Darkoriax17 In P3 and P4 Light and Dark spells don't deal damage, they're only used for instant kills, with weakness exploits granting you more turns
@@JulioCruz261 He didn't say that Light and Dark spells deal damage, he say that it work the same in SMT, which is true for smt 3-4. Light and Dark spells don't deal damage in those games similar to persona 2-3-4
@@Jfray252 No, he said that they have a chance of insta-killing when striking a weakness, which only happens in SMTIV and SMTV. In Persona they don't deal damage period and can insta kill any enemy that doesn't null/resist said element. And Nocturne doesn't only have non-damaging insta-killing Light moves, there are also health percentage based attacks and normal damaging ones such as Violet Flash, Radiance and Starlight
@@JulioCruz261 This is true until Persona 5, where they added Kouha and Eiha. But yes, in the PS2 games (both SMT and Persona), Light and Dark are instant kills only.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy who said that Sinanju was a 10/10 without watching Gundam when his buddies played Gundam Versus. ......over the Sazabi no less.
Understanding that Ken and Koromaru were doing dual instant kill moves is key to understanding why their super is so cool. But it does look like a disco ball lmao
The lack of interest surrounding Adachi's made me sad. Even if you've never played Persona, I swear, that is the most-hype insta-kill I have ever seen in a fighting game.
Most Persona characters: I'll beat you by using the power of friendship manifest into this robot frog pokemon that's going to punch you several times. Naoto: Just fucking shoots Adachi dead in the street
I like how Yukiko is a Fire and Healing magic user the whole throughout the entirety of P4 and in her general gameplay in Arena, but for her instant kill, she just busts out Senbonzakura Kageyoshi from Bleach.
You can tell how much Max cares for this game, when he droped it the second the Sponsored time was out, even when he didnt get to do all characters supers.
With how ArcSys's artstyles evolved, I really wanna see a third Persona Arena game. Too bad the lore isn't very newcomer friendly unless you played the mainline games :/
The second part of what you said is par for the course when it comes to Persona spin-offs. As for the first, though, I don't know. I trust that ArcSys can definitely make it work with the P5 cast, but considering the style of P5, I don't think they'd do as good as a different developer: maybe Capcom, SNK, or especially Bandai Namco (since they already have the experience of putting the P5 cast in a fighting game).
Max never has to justify he is a true penultimate Persona fan to anyone. He’s played P1 and P4AU, a feat most modern day Persona fans can’t claim and safely locks him into true MEGATEN arcane wizard territory for life.
Tbh, I'm starting to think Max might get a kick out of the non Persona SMT games if only cause of how much they steer away from the "highschool students having adventures" anime tropes that Persona fully embraces.
3:15 Ken and Koro are dope, but definitely not entry-level characters. Fighting really good players that main "puppet" characters in a lot of games are scary. Still have nightmares fighting Carl/Relius in Blazblue or Ice Climbers in Smash. The multitasking involved in controlling multiple characters is insane.
It's a shame that training mode makes the screen go dark really fast after the instant kills cause Izanagi-no-Okami being in Yu's win pose was always really cool to me and personally raises its score to a 6
Rise in general is unique as far as Persona goes. I mean when does a Navigator get time to actually go in and fight? Never, right? Anyway, while I like playing as Rise a lot, I'm not too big on her IK.
Technically you have your starting Navis that get promoted to party members like Mitsuru and Teddie I can't remember if they did that with Futaba though. I don't think they did
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 It was really cool seeing Futaba get her own custom All Out Attack splash screen It's not as ridiculously broken as Rise's support skills in Golden but it was pretty dope
@@SonicMegaKing i never understood that. I would never get mad at somebody for not liking a game i like. Like i never liked metal gear, final fantasy, or zelda. My friends know this and accept it.
Man, I totally got spoiled by accident. I haven't gotten very far into Persona 4 Golden yet, but as soon as Adachi did his super, I was like: "What is his deal?.....Oh, wait a minute..."
Really love watching these IK ever since P4 Arena came out. Really hope P5 Arena gets made someday. 7:54 Speaking of which, Minazuki's Persona design can definitely fit in as part of the Phantom Thieves with the black and red colors and the mafia suit kinda look.
For context on Ken and Koromaru teamup having two personas. Individually, they have their own persona. Ken's is "the McDonald looking toy" and Koromaru has Cerberus as his persona. Yes in Persona 3, a dog has a persona. Well in Persona 5, a cat has a persona as well. (Morgana screaming: "I AM NOT A CAT!!")
At long last, Max gives this game another shot, I remember back then when he played the original persona 4 arena for a tiny bit and dropped it for focus on to other fighting games at the time, I don't know why. But now with ultimax, there's a great world just waiting to be discovered!
@@MegaDudeman21 I think he meant his PSone Classic stream where they played a little bit of it as well as a litte bit of every game in there, correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
he gets pissed if anyone disrespects of badmouths terry but laughs and disregards the lore of the games he doesn't know, very meh behavior if not just straight up hypocritical
When it comes to the whole lore implications debacle, I find it to be the same deal as Jump Force was. Lore is not an excuse for weak presentation. Even for non-flashy techniques, you can make it look cool while being faithful to the source. Hell dragon ball and naruto characters in that game have some of the most over the top, collateral damage attacks in that game but they lack impact and weight whereas for the Naruto side in their own games like Storm. The presentation is incredible even for the attacks that don't involve giant death balls, chakra kaijus and gundams.
This right here is what I'm thinking too, I feel like this does fit its era since it's an old game and I'm hoping for a new Persona Arena game with the level of presentation and style that ArcSys has nowadays with their current games
I think the problem with Max's ranking here is that, while an acceptable ranking scale, the fact is that these are for the most part characters with established lore from outside the game (with the exception of Labrys and Sho Minazuki, who are basically original characters), and so half of the Instant Kills are references to their story and powers (notably, Yu has his story-breaker spell from the finale of Persona 4, Elizabeth and Margaret reference their bonus boss fights, and Marie and Adachi reference their own boss fights in the story. Lore is a heavy part of the enjoyment here, so if you don't know the lore, you won't have that connection.
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Helel is just Lucifer before he Fell so they can be classified as the same demon. Satan is a different demon entirely though.
It is very much not a Max game, but some of the supers in the Ninja Storm series are pretty sick. And it would be really funny since Max doesn't know anything about Naruto. I'd love to see that video.
For the dog, holy light kills your soul, black fire burns your body In game, no matter your hp, if you get hit, instant death. That's why bosses have null light and null dark, cause they also get 1 shot So the dog super kills your body and soul
Arc Sys have definitely upped the production value on their super moves since this game. I like a lot of these supers, but a load of them are a lot weaker if you’ve never played the mainline games.
I feel like that's the inherent problem games like these run into when they're billed as canon sequels to their respective games This extends to the story as well. Especially the stuff they do with Sho won't make a lick of sense to people who haven't played Persona 4 or Persona 3 especially
Fun fact about Elizabeth s super. 999 is the max hp in persona 3(elizabeths game) so the damage being 9999 is so overkill its reserved for ONLY elizabeth... And elizabeth is considered as the single hardest secret boss in all of the persona games. And she only uses the move if you break the game(having immunity to all attacks)
Yukiko's is the best mechanically because it can punish people not paying attention due to her being invulnerable during the twirl, but the IK background and sound don't come out until right before she sends out the Persona. Which is unique among the IKs.
I will agree that in a vacuum, Junpei absolutely has the best IK, followed up by ShadLab because of the reference to mythology. But when you take into account the lore, Adachi has the best by a country mile.
"So everyone who played P3 and P4 bought this game right?" "Screw everyone who understands what's going on" His rating system was a little wack, even if he was only judging them visually.
@@polar6066 Yes very true. Max has very boomer gamer sensibilities. Iv been playing Frenchbread games recently like Melty Blood, Under Night and Dengenki Bunko. They have great presentation and sprites and most importantly fun, yet Max never gave them praise. He just sticks to MvC and the occasional SF and MK. Which are cool games but c'mon Max get into a few other games as well. Iv also got into Samsho and Granblue, awesome games, that could use the help of someone like Max, but hey I guess they're just not for him.
@@aegisreflector1239 max has done like 3 seperate KOF legacies over the years. He has played a shit ton of KOF. Plus i don't like these super anime games either
If only this was a P5A, where that would actually work better lol. I will say it is a like a dream come true, even if it's a sponsored stream and the supers are pretty wack.
Even though Score Attack gives me PTSD, I still love this game. As for the Supers.... Yu: 8/10 Yosuke: 8/10 Chie: 6/10 Kanji: 9/10 Minazuki: 10/10 (Best Super in the game.) Marie: 6/10 Rise: 2/10 (This hurts so bad cuz I LOVE Rise.) Junpei: 10/10 Shadow Labrys: 9/10 Akihiko: 8/10 Elizabeth: 8/10 Adachi: 10/10 Aigis: 6/10 Mitsuru: 9/10 (I love this super.) Labrys: 8/10 Yukari: 7/10 Ken & Koromaru: 3/10 Margaret: 8/10 Naoto: 1/10 (This hurts cuz I like Naoto.) Teddie: 8/10 Yukiko: 3/10
Personally, I'd raise Ken on the fact that it is the two instant kill moves in Persona 3, 4 ,and 5 stacked together (and is actually the most damaging attack in this game if practice mode stats says anything), Yukiko's for having a clever reference that you would know if you knew Japanese (I had to look it up), and Chie for it being her iconic instant kill in the base game. As for lowering, Marie and Shadow Labrys.
Persona 4 Arena is the game that introduced me to Arc System Works. It's great to see this game re-released for a new generation. P.S., please make Persona 5 Arena a thing.
Let's be real. Life will change when or if P5 Arena comes (heh), but it's really clear this game is not for everyone when the low tier character (Junpei) has maybe not the best, but definitively the most understandable finisher above everyone else's.
And for some lore: -Yu has Myriad Truths (best move in the Persona series so far, and finisher of its game) -Yosuke has Brave Blade (one of the best Physical moves of the Persona series) -Chie's Galactic Punt is the strongest follow-up so far, Kanji's a literal brofist with himself -Kanji is a book reference of its game (thx @CountofBleck) -Marie has some P4 Golden exclusive lore with mixed-up opinions -Rise isn't really supposed to fight in first place (she's a mandatory support) -Elizabeth and Margaret have the most powerful spells and Personas as a Velvet Room secret boss tradition -Adachi is the reason why this game was meant more to Persona fans than newcomers because he's after P4 events -Naoto is what it is. Doesn't even have a special skill or anything (and, if you want to play the game, consider than some characters like Naoto also have instakills in their moveset because it's a Persona tradition) -Teddie is the joke character. -Yukiko's Full Bloom is based on her exclusive skill, Burning Petals, one of the best Fire Skills in the game -Ken and Koromaru both cast an instakill spell at the same time onto the same target (again, thx @CountofBleck) -I don't really know about Akihiko and Mitsuru, so I'm supposing it's related of who they are (a brawler and an ice queen) -Yukari combines both the Featherman aesthethics (a sentai within the Persona series) and her own "I won't miss" range gameplay -Junpei combines both his own basic offensive gameplay and the P3-onward school gimmick. Simple, not-so-hard to reference, and yet effective. -Sho and Labrys are new to this game, so nothing to say about them aside from reminding that this is a P4 title after all.
This is completely irrelevant to the video but I do have to say, of all the RUclips I watch, you're the only one with a cool intro that I don't mind watching. Everyone else, I just skip because it takes too long or they get annoying over time. Yours has fun music, it's hype and the art is awesome and a nice ode to all the fighting games that bring us all together either through nostalgia or because we actually play. I don't even play fighting games but I do have an appreciation for them through nostalgia and your channel. Keep it up, Max
A series that i would love to see Max do a Rate the Super is the Naruto Arena fighting games, they have the most over the top super/finishers, never played them but the supers are pretty dope looking
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Fun part about Elizabeth's IK: She's a "bonus boss" in Persona 3, and the toughest fight in the game. The "9999" you see is a reference of the damage she does with Megidolan (which is what her IK is) if you happen to violate certain restricitons in her fight (including bringing multiple characters, using certain passives or skills, or even TAKING TOO LONG to beat her). 9999 damage... in a game where you max HP is 999. That's right, she'll kill you 10 times over for doing something "not allowed".
Not even taking too long. Iirc she’d use it every x amount of turns, so it’s just considered a “normal part of the challenge”
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She uses it every time after she summoned Nebiros, I think around 10 turns. She got two types of Megidolaon, Masakado Megidolaon and Pixie Megidolaon. The first one is the one she uses after every 10 turns while the latter is the delete button which she uses every time the player “break the rule” and when her health is below 10.000 (even started looping afterwards, basically not even letting you win).
So yeah, basically you have to be invincible every 10 turns and accurately dealing enough damage to beat her when her health is nearing low so she won’t have a chance to use the delete button.
@@snailthelostcow63 basically infinity and Armageddon are required to beat her.
@@thunderknight4149 pretty sure those aren't allowed since you're not gonna one shot her and she'll just heal and wipe out your whole team with meg.
Tohru “we live in a society” Adachi is still my favorite one cause one the lore behind it, two it’s a spoiler in itself for those who haven’t played P4 and three it’s Adachi lmao
I love that the start up animation is him screaming like his Persona attacks from the boss fight. Little details like that really make Adachi’s for me
@@Calhasnopals I like how while the others are just "beating you down" in this one he just go full murder on you.
To be fair, Adachi's literal existence in the game kinda spoils it.
@@boogymanjinzo6008 “tO bE FaIR 🤓🤓🤓🤓”
@@zephyrx5499 Oh Yeah, Magatsu ISN'T a spoiler. That's my fault, should have known.
I wasn’t expecting Max to be interested in Ken, but I guess it’s more because
A. Max was more interested in Koromaru
B. He shares a name with one of Max’s favorite characters
first things first, i went and picked sick Shadow Doggo and Traumatized Little Boy. This game is such good fanservice spin-off xD
That's like, a majority of people who play Ken. They play him because of Koromaru.
If Ken didn't have Koro, then it's most likely people wouldn't play him.
1 word: Benny
@@Misaka05050 facts I just care about the doggo
So biased
Pointless easter egg detail for Yukiko which I think deserves +1 score, her Persona's name is Konohana Sakuya, her instant kill does 398 hits.
3 = Sa(n)
9 = Ku
8 = Ya (kun reading)
That's actually really neat
it's interesting to see the evolution of arcsys's over-the-top finishers. Coming off of Accent Core and Blazblue Calamity trigger, these looked insane, but they're kind of subdued when compared to Blazblue's later Astrals and especially Xrd's Instant Kills, but I still find them fun and charming.
We need P5A just so we can see how much crazier the IKs would be
99%of these supers are wack asf tbh. Compared to Blazeblue central, Granblue fantasy versus, Rev 2, Streetfighter 5. I love persona 4 Ultimax I have it for ps4 years ago. Not sure about buying it again though? Unless it has new characters, Don't care about roll back netcode at all. Just a casual gamer. Who likes to fight homies offline. Hey check out Fist of the North star game by Arc system works for japanese ps2. Game is broken asf but Legendary.
Chie still has one of my favore IK's in any game, just because I never get tired of Galactic Punting people into space. I wouldn't change a thing about that one.
Sho is actually just Ragnas Devoured by Darkness and the final hit of his Astral, but I allways feel they lack impact, that the ones in Blazblue doesnt, dont know if its audio mixing or what
I would that it's only because they were being appropriate for the property. Blazblue and Xrd are high fantasy, Persona is just slightly supernatural reality, even then, there were crazy creative ideas going on for some of these like Akihiko and Chie. Elizabeth, Marie, and Yosuke got really shafted though, even compared to other characters in this game
Junpei always brings it home. He's the best dancer, he's got the best super, and he's the best friend.
He's truely da man
Not to mention an ace detective
Of course he brings it home
That's how you score in baseball
*Smilingjunpei.jpg*
He Is da Man.
And the most heart wrenching and hurting character arc ever.
Its a shame that Max doesnt know much about the "lore supers". Ken's IK is using 2 instant kill spells at once, kanji's is a reference to books you can read in the game, etc.
I guess max haven’t played any persona games yet.
@@emilianoizanagi2245 He seemed to know about the "Persona 3 thing" in reference to the Shadow Operatives using evokers so he might have seen something from that game (or the anime).
@@thegamerfe8751 Tbf the Evokers were like the most instantly iconic thing about Persona 3
Even people who aren't Persona fans will probably recognize either that or any of the big songs from P5 like Last Surprise or Life Will Change
@@emilianoizanagi2245 he literally says in the video that he's only played Revelations: Persona
@@icedcapplord710 Non Persona fans recognizing evokers from P3 is really stretching it cause it's not that recognizable outside of the JRPG community (and even then P5 is the most known game from the series so the previous games get overshadowed by it for mon JRPG fans and even a lot of JRPG fans) but hey, I never said he played it I only said "might have seen something from that game or the anime".
14:33 The timing of Teddie's laugh when Max puts up his hand is perfect
Yu's instant kill being Myriad Truths is so perfect once you realize the story context from Persona 4
The lore related supers are my favorite in the game
EDIT: Also shout out to Chie doing the Galactic Punt and Adachi shoving someone into the TV World like their name is Mayumi Yamuno
Behold THE TRUTH
Galactic Punt is definitely one of my favorites it's just perfect
What’s the context behind myriad truths
@@_zyphis_2281 Friendship turns Izanagi into Izanagi-no-Okami to kill the Japanese goddess Izanami.
@@_zyphis_2281 Going off what Usereh said, yeah pretty much. Izanami's evolved form's killing move is called "myriad truths." From what I understand, it was meant to be a "false" truth, yet a personal truth; the revelation to live one's own life how THEY want to live and no longer restraining oneself to another's truth. Calling to Shadow Yu in the P4G animation/movie, "I wanted to stay with everyone. I didn't care if it was just an illusion in the fog. I don't care as long as I'm with everyone! I don't want to live a life without being connected to anyone! I've had my share of solitude!" Yu Narukami's "Myriad Truths" were the one thing capable of driving back the entire world's cruel truth, for his own will gave birth to a seemingly foolish yet breathtakingly purifying truth that he did not have to embrace a truth not his own. After all, the word "myriad" directly means "a countless or extremely great number." The world's truths are nothing compared to the truths of each individual's pure hearts, and so the Myriad Truths is Yu Narukami's finishing attack as the Fool Arcana: initially empty, yet with limitless possibilities.
Tl;Dr, Yu Narukami, despite likely being a shut-in, was willing to literally do everything and anything not to be alone, and this is a reason why he's represented by the fool arcana (empty, yet limitless.) His "Myriad Truths" is the fully realizes representation: there are limitless truths, in embracing that, he doesn't need to feel alone ever again.
Adachi's and Yu's Instant Kills are 10/10. Adachi, if you know the lore, is a 15/10.
Adachi's definitely a 10/10, but I really don't see how Yu is anything higher than a 6. Even though it does become Izanagi-no-okami, it's just a big lightning bolt on a character who already shoots big lightning bolts with Maziodyne. Myriad Truths as it looked in the actual game would've been a bit more interesting.
Honestly most of them are perfect for the characters, just doesn’t make sense to those who don’t know them
@@Jtyungin Nah, I gotta disagree. Some characters really just got the short end of the stick like Yukiko. You're telling me her signature move in the games is Burning Petals, and her IK involves Petals, and they DON'T have the petals burst into flames to finish off the opponent? Big missed opportunity.
@@The_Meev yep. That’s why I said most
@@The_Meev fucking RIGHT
The thing about p4au's instakills is that what a lot lack in big impact or flashiness, they make up for in references to the games they're from, which is kind of a double edged sword
Not really. You'd only pick up this game if you played persona.
I think the reason the supers are primarily lore references is cuz the game was obviously made for fans of the rpg games, so without the lore some seem kinda lackluster
You can make supers look and feel great while also adding lore references. They are not mutually exclusive. The biggest thing all of these Insta Kills lacked where camera work and good sound design. Some awesome Supers/Insta Kills in otther games would look meh if it wasn't for the camera work and sound. Here the camera work is basically non existent and the sound is lacking really hard, barely selling the audience how impactful the attacks are.
@@taigaaisaka6305 I feel like part of that is it is all sprite work. So if you wanted to make elaborate IKs, it would be much more expensive than the ones shown here. I bet the budget wasn't exactly huge for P4A anyway
Aw man it's just the instant kills. I was kinda hoping for a rate the super on the normal supers cause a lot of them are really cool and show off the characters better. The instant kills mostly fall into the category of lore references that you need to play the game to understand. Like Yu's is a 10/10 if you know what it's referencing but on it's own it just looks like a big lightning attack.
Agreed
He’s doing that lol.
@@Tasty_Tango45 Cool
And Ken and Koromaru's finisher use both Hama and Mudo, the light and dark instant kill spells from the series. That one is cool literally if you know the lore. XD
@@garcon45 I know the lore, and even knowing the lore it kinda just looked like a bunch of setup just for them to put you into a discoball with 0 impact.
I love that max gave my man junpei a 10/10
Hell yeah
Junpei is da man after all
See I really like a lot of these because they are sorta cuts from the series. Like Elizabeth doing what she does in her boss fight and Chie’s being her instant kill move from the actual game.
Litterally summons god = 6/10.
I kid of course, the fact that Junpei got the best of anything is earthshaking.
His is creative and funny, everyone else's is just fill the screen with a bunch of random shit. Junpei, Yusuke, Chie, and both Labyrs have the best ones
Its the one super where Max actually got the reference lol.
Rise’s “Rhythm game” super is my favorite one. It’s one of the funniest and most creative supers I’ve ever seen in a fighting game.
Dark stalkers did it first, probably where they got the idea. Either way I love a good rhythm game super.
@@hmad898 either that or it was a coincidence considering she has two supers referencing Dancing All Night.
max didnt play the rhythm game lol
It's also glitched..
If you land it and the time runs out on the round the enemy will just keep spinning for like 30 seconds until the game just cuts to black and continues.
@@ODDiSEE_ 19:35 after credits
For context, ken and koromaru are using spells from their game that have a chance of instant killing.
There elements are light and dark respectively… but I’m sure the persona 3&4 fans knew that already
Light and dark have a chance of instantly killing when striking a weakness don’t they? It’s the same in SMT.
@@Darkoriax17 In P3 and P4 Light and Dark spells don't deal damage, they're only used for instant kills, with weakness exploits granting you more turns
@@JulioCruz261 He didn't say that Light and Dark spells deal damage, he say that it work the same in SMT, which is true for smt 3-4. Light and Dark spells don't deal damage in those games similar to persona 2-3-4
@@Jfray252 No, he said that they have a chance of insta-killing when striking a weakness, which only happens in SMTIV and SMTV. In Persona they don't deal damage period and can insta kill any enemy that doesn't null/resist said element.
And Nocturne doesn't only have non-damaging insta-killing Light moves, there are also health percentage based attacks and normal damaging ones such as Violet Flash, Radiance and Starlight
@@JulioCruz261 This is true until Persona 5, where they added Kouha and Eiha. But yes, in the PS2 games (both SMT and Persona), Light and Dark are instant kills only.
I like it when Max gestures the number 4 and teddie says
Teddie: Heh heh
even funnier when Teddy's IK get a 9 from Max, so his "heh heh" is even more warranted
Keep in mind, this is the same guy who said that Sinanju was a 10/10 without watching Gundam when his buddies played Gundam Versus. ......over the Sazabi no less.
Understanding that Ken and Koromaru were doing dual instant kill moves is key to understanding why their super is so cool.
But it does look like a disco ball lmao
Yin Yang Obliterate!!
14:32 I love when Max gave Mitsuru’s a 4, you can hear Teddie’s “haha” in the back lmao
I love how Akihiko says the funny “i’ve been waiting for this”
The lack of interest surrounding Adachi's made me sad. Even if you've never played Persona, I swear, that is the most-hype insta-kill I have ever seen in a fighting game.
Damn right!
the tv cutting off as he stabs them is so awesome
Most Persona characters: I'll beat you by using the power of friendship manifest into this robot frog pokemon that's going to punch you several times.
Naoto: Just fucking shoots Adachi dead in the street
I like how Yukiko is a Fire and Healing magic user the whole throughout the entirety of P4 and in her general gameplay in Arena, but for her instant kill, she just busts out Senbonzakura Kageyoshi from Bleach.
It's senbonzakura, on fire
You can tell how much Max cares for this game, when he droped it the second the Sponsored time was out, even when he didnt get to do all characters supers.
Yeah, I do wish he played it more, it's really sick when you get good at it
With how ArcSys's artstyles evolved, I really wanna see a third Persona Arena game. Too bad the lore isn't very newcomer friendly unless you played the mainline games :/
The second part of what you said is par for the course when it comes to Persona spin-offs.
As for the first, though, I don't know. I trust that ArcSys can definitely make it work with the P5 cast, but considering the style of P5, I don't think they'd do as good as a different developer: maybe Capcom, SNK, or especially Bandai Namco (since they already have the experience of putting the P5 cast in a fighting game).
Yu's instakill looks so much better with the unique victory pose after, everyone's does shouldve watched them with it
Max never has to justify he is a true penultimate Persona fan to anyone.
He’s played P1 and P4AU, a feat most modern day Persona fans can’t claim and safely locks him into true MEGATEN arcane wizard territory for life.
Tbh, I'm starting to think Max might get a kick out of the non Persona SMT games if only cause of how much they steer away from the "highschool students having adventures" anime tropes that Persona fully embraces.
Seeing Adachi teabagging as a gun is pointed at his face nearly had me on the floor. Thank you for reminding me that I'm a 12-year-old kid.
3:15 Ken and Koro are dope, but definitely not entry-level characters. Fighting really good players that main "puppet" characters in a lot of games are scary. Still have nightmares fighting Carl/Relius in Blazblue or Ice Climbers in Smash. The multitasking involved in controlling multiple characters is insane.
with the lore, adachi’s super is an instant 10/10
It's a shame that training mode makes the screen go dark really fast after the instant kills cause Izanagi-no-Okami being in Yu's win pose was always really cool to me and personally raises its score to a 6
I really liked the color customization when I started playing the game
and the fact they got a glasses option too is pretty neat
I would be surprised if they did not have glasses options seeing as how they are super important in p4.
Rise in general is unique as far as Persona goes. I mean when does a Navigator get time to actually go in and fight? Never, right?
Anyway, while I like playing as Rise a lot, I'm not too big on her IK.
Technically you have your starting Navis that get promoted to party members like Mitsuru and Teddie
I can't remember if they did that with Futaba though. I don't think they did
@@icedcapplord710 well Morgana sorta did. But okay then, dedicated Navigators to be more precise.
@@icedcapplord710 Futaba has her own special all out attack in royal. Turns out Necronomicon can drop bombs!
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 It was really cool seeing Futaba get her own custom All Out Attack splash screen
It's not as ridiculously broken as Rise's support skills in Golden but it was pretty dope
Rise has the biggest and most lovely development throughout the entire franchise.
Sucks that this was just the Instant Kills, I would've loved his reaction to Narukami's Neo Deadly Rave/Thunder God Dance super.
he did those too. Idk if he is going to put it on youtube or not though
Tatsunoko vs Capcom, please. It has a ton of unique supers and characters.
Heck yeah! Especially when how the interactions change based on the size of the fighters.
This, i really want him to do some content on tvc.
i second this
I love Batsu's level 3 because of how different it is depending on his partner and whether they're alive or not.
The fact that Max has played revelations is actually super sick. If he liked that game I'd love to see a Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment playthru.
This was actually my first time watching "rate the supers" live. And I'm glad it was for the game of a series I'm a fan.
Yeah, without Lore a lot of these definitely lose impact. Don't be mad at Max for not judging with lore, it's actually an interesting perspective.
doesnt he always do this though lol
@@polar6066 Yes, but dummies get in their feelings when it's something they like. Plus there's also new people who click on vids.
@@SonicMegaKing i never understood that. I would never get mad at somebody for not liking a game i like. Like i never liked metal gear, final fantasy, or zelda. My friends know this and accept it.
I just think they lack impact regardless of the lore involved. Some of them go on for too long without anything happening.
@@BComet agreed
Why has nobody told Max that the dog canonically also has a Persona
It does my heart so much good to see this game getting love again.
Fax
Man, I totally got spoiled by accident. I haven't gotten very far into Persona 4 Golden yet, but as soon as Adachi did his super, I was like: "What is his deal?.....Oh, wait a minute..."
Big RIP man, big RIP.
17:19 Naoto the CoD god, sniping teabaggers
Really love watching these IK ever since P4 Arena came out. Really hope P5 Arena gets made someday. 7:54 Speaking of which, Minazuki's Persona design can definitely fit in as part of the Phantom Thieves with the black and red colors and the mafia suit kinda look.
yeah, i would love to see persona 4 adult cast look,
@@imsmart799 well we got a glimpse of Rise in 5.
Reading this is so funny in retrospect when P5 finally showed Joker, some people were theorizing that he maybe was Sho after cleaning up his act
yeah its one of those fighting games where the normal supers are way cooler than the Instant Kills or Lvl 3s.
For context on Ken and Koromaru teamup having two personas. Individually, they have their own persona. Ken's is "the McDonald looking toy" and Koromaru has Cerberus as his persona. Yes in Persona 3, a dog has a persona. Well in Persona 5, a cat has a persona as well. (Morgana screaming: "I AM NOT A CAT!!")
That bearly compares to a teddy bear having one in P4.
At long last, Max gives this game another shot, I remember back then when he played the original persona 4 arena for a tiny bit and dropped it for focus on to other fighting games at the time, I don't know why. But now with ultimax, there's a great world just waiting to be discovered!
As one of the 10 Revelations Persona fans, I would definitely enjoy if Max streamed a full playthrough of Revelations Persona lol
he said he did already. I don't know if its on youtube or not though.
@@MegaDudeman21 I think he meant his PSone Classic stream where they played a little bit of it as well as a litte bit of every game in there, correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
@@warningdontread5478 idk, he said he streamed it so I thought that meant he played the whole game
he gets pissed if anyone disrespects of badmouths terry but laughs and disregards the lore of the games he doesn't know, very meh behavior if not just straight up hypocritical
never trust a guy that looks like chad kroeger
The teddie laugh when he rated mitsuru’s super was timed so perfectly
Man you were pretty harsh on these. Even ignoring the lore, I still think Minazuki's and Adachi's are solid 10s or at least 9.5s
Eh, Minazuki could be better if it was a bit shorter and with less spammy sound effect. But yea Adachi's a banger.
Not everyone is a sheep modern Persona fan that easily to please with everything they put their shit out.
@@zeroskaterz92 no need to be so agressive
@@zeroskaterz92 who hurt you mf
@@zeroskaterz92 What is with the downright schizo takes from P1-3 fans, goddamn.
When it comes to the whole lore implications debacle, I find it to be the same deal as Jump Force was. Lore is not an excuse for weak presentation. Even for non-flashy techniques, you can make it look cool while being faithful to the source. Hell dragon ball and naruto characters in that game have some of the most over the top, collateral damage attacks in that game but they lack impact and weight whereas for the Naruto side in their own games like Storm. The presentation is incredible even for the attacks that don't involve giant death balls, chakra kaijus and gundams.
Wait, J-Stars or Jump Force?
@@Gamersgoinblind Jump Force, sorry I forget that changed the name of the sequel for whatever reason.
This right here is what I'm thinking too, I feel like this does fit its era since it's an old game and I'm hoping for a new Persona Arena game with the level of presentation and style that ArcSys has nowadays with their current games
i honestly like these old ones more but I also never liked super cinematic supers.
adachi super looks giga dope without knowing anything
I’m actually surprised he’s rating supers in this game…probably doesn’t care about though 😅
He did for Blazblue too, he doesn't really like these kind of games
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@@o_oro-q1k Dosent he like BlazBlue though?! I thought he enjoyed those series like Blazblue and Guilty Gear
@@nathan_drake1237 He likes Guilty Gear but not Blazblue, Melty, Persona...y'know those kind sprite based anime games
@@o_oro-q1k Ahhh, gotcha. That makes sense
I think the problem with Max's ranking here is that, while an acceptable ranking scale, the fact is that these are for the most part characters with established lore from outside the game (with the exception of Labrys and Sho Minazuki, who are basically original characters), and so half of the Instant Kills are references to their story and powers (notably, Yu has his story-breaker spell from the finale of Persona 4, Elizabeth and Margaret reference their bonus boss fights, and Marie and Adachi reference their own boss fights in the story. Lore is a heavy part of the enjoyment here, so if you don't know the lore, you won't have that connection.
Margaret Summoning Lucifer is badass. 10/10 for me.
Helel actually, Lucifer, Helel and Satan are different personas
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 yeah right. I was mixing Digimon and SMT again with Lucemon.
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Helel is just Lucifer before he Fell so they can be classified as the same demon. Satan is a different demon entirely though.
@@IkeSan I gotcha
It is very much not a Max game, but some of the supers in the Ninja Storm series are pretty sick. And it would be really funny since Max doesn't know anything about Naruto. I'd love to see that video.
IMO Mitsuru super like 9/10 as well it’s so awesome to see that and her being the queen of executions
For the dog, holy light kills your soul, black fire burns your body
In game, no matter your hp, if you get hit, instant death. That's why bosses have null light and null dark, cause they also get 1 shot
So the dog super kills your body and soul
Arc Sys have definitely upped the production value on their super moves since this game. I like a lot of these supers, but a load of them are a lot weaker if you’ve never played the mainline games.
I feel like that's the inherent problem games like these run into when they're billed as canon sequels to their respective games
This extends to the story as well. Especially the stuff they do with Sho won't make a lick of sense to people who haven't played Persona 4 or Persona 3 especially
I still own my original copy of Revelations: Persona. Underrated game at the time but what a great game. Played all of the sequels too.
Idk about revelations but i liked P1
I love how Sho's super goes on for fucking forever, the audio made it seems like my game broke as well
It's very in character that it would be so over the top
Fun fact about Elizabeth s super.
999 is the max hp in persona 3(elizabeths game) so the damage being 9999 is so overkill its reserved for ONLY elizabeth... And elizabeth is considered as the single hardest secret boss in all of the persona games. And she only uses the move if you break the game(having immunity to all attacks)
daum I kinda miss the, "I think this world. . SHOULD SIMPLY DISAPPEAR!" line for minazuki
Loved this game on the ps3 and loving it now. Just waiting for its Rollback netcode
*Insert "Ive been waiting for this" quote here
Yukiko's is the best mechanically because it can punish people not paying attention due to her being invulnerable during the twirl, but the IK background and sound don't come out until right before she sends out the Persona. Which is unique among the IKs.
I just realized Max has never rated the supers for the dissidia series. I recommend duodecim.
I will agree that in a vacuum, Junpei absolutely has the best IK, followed up by ShadLab because of the reference to mythology. But when you take into account the lore, Adachi has the best by a country mile.
This was my introduction to the Persona series just coming from the fighting game scene
I just realized he hasn’t done one for Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
Koromaru is just benny with a knife and a snazzy jacket
17:19 man really just got Teabagged by Adachi
I didn’t notice the mouse in the bottom right until he brought it up and now I just find my eye wandering to it 😂
Actually never thought I’d see Maximillian playing the Persona 4 Arena games again
Fun Fact: Junpei's IK is called "Explosive Level-Up Grand Slam."
Damn he didn't include the !Persona moments during stream, they were hilarious.
Hey look! Max and Benny are in the game!
"So everyone who played P3 and P4 bought this game right?"
"Screw everyone who understands what's going on"
His rating system was a little wack, even if he was only judging them visually.
Man one of the first Max's videos I watched all those years ago was for this game. It's been a while
One of the games Max dismissed that were godlike just like KoF13 and Under Night
max is a true boomer he'll never like the animus or kof
@@polar6066 Yes very true. Max has very boomer gamer sensibilities. Iv been playing Frenchbread games recently like Melty Blood, Under Night and Dengenki Bunko. They have great presentation and sprites and most importantly fun, yet Max never gave them praise. He just sticks to MvC and the occasional SF and MK. Which are cool games but c'mon Max get into a few other games as well. Iv also got into Samsho and Granblue, awesome games, that could use the help of someone like Max, but hey I guess they're just not for him.
@@aegisreflector1239 max has done like 3 seperate KOF legacies over the years. He has played a shit ton of KOF. Plus i don't like these super anime games either
Max making a Rate The Super video on Persona 4 Arena?!
Gonna be honest, I never saw it com-🤫
Ha
If only this was a P5A, where that would actually work better lol. I will say it is a like a dream come true, even if it's a sponsored stream and the supers are pretty wack.
@@Valanway that’s the joke, I didn’t finish the sentence because it wasn’t a P5 game
@@dillongeorge5866 I know, which is why I made a P4 song joke.
Junpei mains just keep winning now.
First more people pick up the character, now Max gives us a 10
Persona 4 Golden SPOILERS
Adachi literally throwing your ass in the TV world as shadows come out is so fitting. 15/10
Definitely supers filled with a lot of references. But honestly love the animations too!
Even though Score Attack gives me PTSD, I still love this game. As for the Supers....
Yu: 8/10
Yosuke: 8/10
Chie: 6/10
Kanji: 9/10
Minazuki: 10/10 (Best Super in the game.)
Marie: 6/10
Rise: 2/10 (This hurts so bad cuz I LOVE Rise.)
Junpei: 10/10
Shadow Labrys: 9/10
Akihiko: 8/10
Elizabeth: 8/10
Adachi: 10/10
Aigis: 6/10
Mitsuru: 9/10 (I love this super.)
Labrys: 8/10
Yukari: 7/10
Ken & Koromaru: 3/10
Margaret: 8/10
Naoto: 1/10 (This hurts cuz I like Naoto.)
Teddie: 8/10
Yukiko: 3/10
Personally, I'd raise Ken on the fact that it is the two instant kill moves in Persona 3, 4 ,and 5 stacked together (and is actually the most damaging attack in this game if practice mode stats says anything), Yukiko's for having a clever reference that you would know if you knew Japanese (I had to look it up), and Chie for it being her iconic instant kill in the base game.
As for lowering, Marie and Shadow Labrys.
Persona 4 Arena is the game that introduced me to Arc System Works. It's great to see this game re-released for a new generation.
P.S., please make Persona 5 Arena a thing.
If it will be made by the current-day ArcSys, why even bother.
Sho Minazuki has a split personality due to having a plume of dusk implanted in him
Let's be real. Life will change when or if P5 Arena comes (heh), but it's really clear this game is not for everyone when the low tier character (Junpei) has maybe not the best, but definitively the most understandable finisher above everyone else's.
And for some lore:
-Yu has Myriad Truths (best move in the Persona series so far, and finisher of its game)
-Yosuke has Brave Blade (one of the best Physical moves of the Persona series)
-Chie's Galactic Punt is the strongest follow-up so far, Kanji's a literal brofist with himself
-Kanji is a book reference of its game (thx @CountofBleck)
-Marie has some P4 Golden exclusive lore with mixed-up opinions
-Rise isn't really supposed to fight in first place (she's a mandatory support)
-Elizabeth and Margaret have the most powerful spells and Personas as a Velvet Room secret boss tradition
-Adachi is the reason why this game was meant more to Persona fans than newcomers because he's after P4 events
-Naoto is what it is. Doesn't even have a special skill or anything (and, if you want to play the game, consider than some characters like Naoto also have instakills in their moveset because it's a Persona tradition)
-Teddie is the joke character.
-Yukiko's Full Bloom is based on her exclusive skill, Burning Petals, one of the best Fire Skills in the game
-Ken and Koromaru both cast an instakill spell at the same time onto the same target (again, thx @CountofBleck)
-I don't really know about Akihiko and Mitsuru, so I'm supposing it's related of who they are (a brawler and an ice queen)
-Yukari combines both the Featherman aesthethics (a sentai within the Persona series) and her own "I won't miss" range gameplay
-Junpei combines both his own basic offensive gameplay and the P3-onward school gimmick. Simple, not-so-hard to reference, and yet effective.
-Sho and Labrys are new to this game, so nothing to say about them aside from reminding that this is a P4 title after all.
I feel you're not getting the recognition you deserve Max ... You're an absolute genius my man
I had a feeling the rise super would be in the video lmao
I’ve been waiting for this for literal years
Been waiting on this for literally years
Koe held us off for years while we waited for you to do this lmao
i never noticed their was 2 of the same fighters till max pointed it out lol
This is completely irrelevant to the video but I do have to say, of all the RUclips I watch, you're the only one with a cool intro that I don't mind watching.
Everyone else, I just skip because it takes too long or they get annoying over time.
Yours has fun music, it's hype and the art is awesome and a nice ode to all the fighting games that bring us all together either through nostalgia or because we actually play.
I don't even play fighting games but I do have an appreciation for them through nostalgia and your channel.
Keep it up, Max
Junpei gets a 10/10
That makes me very happy
Inb4 max looks at junpei gameplay down the line and sees the BASEBALL METER where you PLAY BASEBALL mid fight lol.
A series that i would love to see Max do a Rate the Super is the Naruto Arena fighting games, they have the most over the top super/finishers, never played them but the supers are pretty dope looking
The smile on Max's face as he discovers his edge lord husbando Minazuki.