How to block a pipe that cannot be frozen | Aladdin Pipe Genie
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2018
- In this video I test out the pipe genie, which is a prototype kit. This kit will hopefully be commercially available in the next few months. Sometimes a pipe freezing kit cannot be used and so the Pipe Genie has been developed for use on pipes that contain hot water, flowing water or water at high pressure. Eventually this kit will be developed for steel pipes up to 4 inches in diameter.
Here are a few benefits of the system-
The Pipe Genie is a professional tool comparable with an electric freezer kit but better because:
It blocks the pipe more effectively (hot and high pressure pipe work), and controllably.
It can block 'moving water' , the main reason freezing fails is the ice plug doesn't take as the water is moving - you only find this out when you cut the pipe.
Blocks at much higher pressures - freezer equipment manufacturers state up to 8 bar (see Rothenberger website) but the Genie goes up to over 30 bar
Blocks hot pipe work so no need to cool heating systems - a real advantage for hospitals and nursing homes with large heating systems and shared accommodation - hospitals for example can’t switch off their systems.
You can block during a flood for example leaking fitting or pipe work, whereas you cannot freeze as water is moving.
On hot days freeze doesn't take or natural convection currents in large systems cause moving water - a real problem we hear from plumbing maintenance companies.
You can block the pipe as long as you want - you're not against the clock - you can even leave the job and come back and the pipe will remain blocked.
You just need 30mm of pipe length on 15 mm and 40 mm on 22 - sometimes all the space you have on pipes - a freeze jacket is 3x this length .
If you change system component and you need to rework it as pipework/valve is leaking you can re- block immediately as you can leave the bung fitted - and introduce flow slowly to test the system - and block if it starts leaking - this can't be done with freezing as is all or nothing as you let the ice plug melt it 'all goes' if the repair isn't sound
Here is the link to the kit on kickstarter
www.kickstarter.com/projects/... 
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The guy at Aladdin that designs these tools does seriously deserve a raise. That's very impressive engineering.
Yes, he is a very clever guy.
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is fantastic peace off kit for professional plumbers loved the video.
Yes, it should really help professional plumbers ;-)
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You'll never use it
Nice bit of kit, very good video. Well done!
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435 psi? That's crazy! pretty smart and useful piece of kit!
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Thanks for showing this very useful device, cannot comment on price etc as this is for professionals and not DIYer’s like myself. I can see why it would be an invaluable piece of kit as it looks and performs well. Only ever used a freezing kit once and I hope I won’t ever have the need this type of kit. Excellent vid. Regards. Mike
Thanks Mike ;-)
I can comment on the price. Had this been mass produced in china, would have costed £10-15 for the lot.
Loads better than freezing a pipe to me. Looks like a well thought of bit of kit.
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Looks a good idea, I have used a similar system, on high pressure gas lines for corrosion coupons, much heavier duty, all components were rated to 15000 psi works well only difference was we have to equalise the dead side with a hydraulic pump to be able to get the valve open. Not so keen on that Aladdin mob though, I tried their auto bleeders for radiators, I found them to work intermittently at best, I took them back to screw-fix! Great vid, keep it up 😀
That sounds like an interesting job ;-)
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I believe the system you may be referring to Jamie allows the insertion of a probe into very high pressure pipework but doesn't actually allow the blocking of the pipework for maintenance. The Pipe Genie comes with 2 bungs that allow simultaneous blocking of a pipe section eg to remove a pump at pressures up to 30 bar.
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Good video as usual 👍 I have a pipe freezing kit that does domestic and commercial pipe work right up to big sizes, it will freeze copper, plastic, steel, lead so very versatile in that respect. This kit can be used on hot and flowing water which is good and maybe some big companies will buy them as for the smaller companies and sole traders I doubt they'll part with that kind of money, I've never come across a situation that I can't deal with as of yet.
This is only my opinion and I'm not knocking the video or how well the kit works and hopefully I'll be proved wrong.
Thanks, a pipe freezing kit will be ample for most plumbers but I guess there are situations where this would be the only solution.
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Ultimate Handyman unfortunately I think they'll price themselves out of the market as it's basically an expensive saddle valve you're fitting to a pipe which are notorious leakers in the future.
You could be right, only time will tell.
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Ultimate Handyman I know in the states saddle valves can be used by homeowners but are not allowed to be used by professional plumbers. Keep up the great videos👍👍👍
Aladdin EasyFit Isolator are much better and cheaper and easier you can even install it your self and not hire a plumber !!
Good video, just read that they will be less than £10 for the 15mm, actually seems good value at that point. Had previously thought due to the £500 price that the 4 valves might be £50 each and seemed expensive then but for £7.50, big initial investment, but cheap to use.
Yes, the valves are relatively inexpensive, especially if you compare them to the Easy fir isolator at about £45
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Interesting. There are other tools that can shut off hot or flowing water but they make a permanent dent in the pipe that must be removed. These also need a lot more clearance behind the pipe to wrap the tool around.
This would look very professional so if you are working in a business or industrial location, everyone would be impressed.
Yes, this would be very handy in some situations.
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i am a building superintendent we always have pipe leaks and in a lot of cases the valves dont hold because they are so old these things would be very handy to have great product
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A bit expensive and maybe in future they might develop something less fiddly. I think professional plumbers might buy one. Thanks for video,good demo.
Yes, it is not cheap but very useful in the correct situation.
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A smaller version of a Hot tap setup we use on high/low pressure gas and liquid fuel pipe systems.
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Seems like a great way to restrict flow and introduce a lot of unnecessary turbulence inside the line to create some cool new pinholes. I'm gonna guess it's still not commercially available.
Not sure why it’s not commercially available 🤔
If you install the stopple fitting above the tee with a pressure gauge which has no reason for the pressure to drop or climb after you install the fitting between a dead end valve above it and the tee under it , when you opened the valve to bleed water or liquid off pressure should have remained I believe you stated 30 bar's on the gauge?
When you cut into the pipe the pressure will drop, as the water will expand into the cutter part (reducing the pressure).
Then when the bung is screwed in, the water is compressed as there is nowhere for it to go (increasing the pressure again).
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The idea is just great. But Why these brass fittings? Isn’t it better to make these out of ( stainless) steel?
Brass is much easier to machine and much cheaper than stainless.
Most plumbing fittings on copper pipe or brass, or copper.
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What is the purpose of the bung if you already have a valve you just put in?
Stephen Huxtable I wondered that myself also.
The valve does not close the pipe, it only closed the opening where you fit the bung tool. The bung tools compresses into a sphere inside of the pipe and blocks it.
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Aladdin EasyFit Isolator are much better and cheaper and easier you can even install it your self and not hire a plumber !!
I have been a gas engineer for 28 years and i couldnt see the point in this, Thanks for sharing.
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True, that brother
Can`t see this having a place in the market as a purchase product to be honest. It might work as a hire product, for those one off occasions when there`s limited options.
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think I remember seeing that on dragons den if memory serves me right.
Oh, I didn't realise it had been on Dragons den.
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I am not 100% sure it was but the name rings a bell from dragons den.
Sorry it wasn't on Dragons Den wish we had been invited!
I wonder how much is for one valve.
I believe the valves for this will be about £7.50 for 15mm and £11.50 for 22mm.
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Ultimate Handyman and I can't believe anyone facing the alternative would complain about that. What a problsm- solver !!
This product is not available at this time ? I am a homeowner and can use this now
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I thought the aladdin easy isolation valve was cheaper and easier with the advantage it leaves a permanent iso valve in place.
Hi Dan, I thought exactly the same as you so I enquired about this and was given this information-
This set also works on 22mm which the Easy fit isolator cannot do.
The Easy fit isolator is about £45 but I believe the valves for this will be about £7.50 for 15mm and £11.50 for 22mm.
They are also making taps that connect to the valves, for washing machines etc. The flow will not be reduced like it is in self cutting taps as the copper coupon is removed from the pipe.
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Thanks for the comment we're glad you like the Easyfit Isolator. We created the Pipe Genie as we had lots of feedback from plumbers who told us their electric freezer kits didn't work in many situations and they wanted an alternative that would work on hot pipework and at higher pressures.
Aladdin EasyFit Isolator are much better and cheaper and easier you can even install it your self and not hire a plumber !!
Aladdin EasyFit Isolator is a thousand times better and easier and lasts longer and you lose no pressure while you install it plus you can do it your self and not have to give an arm or a leg to a plumber to install it lol
So does whoever needs to do work on it after you've put this on need to have this kit? Seems a good idea but seems a bit silly as well 'cause surely that's gunna force people to buy the kit instead of just been able to turn the water off with it
Yes, if someone else wanted to use the isolator they would need the bung tool.
They are developing a tap that attaches to the valve, for washing machine etc. I am sure these will be very common in a few years time.
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How do I get a new product in to you for testing?
You can send me a message via RUclips if you like ;-)
Nice Idea but I don't think they will sell many if any at about £500 way too expensive to buy just too have sitting in the van just incase you need it.
Its not something every plumber will buy but for work in large buildings such as hospitals it could be very useful.
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Aladdin EasyFit Isolator are much better and cheaper and easier you can even install it your self and not hire a plumber !!
You'd need quite a bit of clearance I guess to use that.
Yes, these cannot be installed in confined spaces- due to needing the drill.
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when will this be available?? and where?
It was supposed to be available last year- aladdin-products.co.uk/products/pipe-genie/
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It’s a good idea but way too expensive for most of us to justify buying it , I’ll stick to my trusty electric freezer for now and maybe wait for the cost to come down considerably before contemplating buying it
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I've got an electric pipe freezer too... but what about when the system is mad hot, and you can't drain it down etc. ? I cant see the cost coming down much - its a serious piece of kit... I'd love to have one in my van for those certain situations..
The isolator stop tap that Aladdin make would do the job and it's about £40
The Easy fit isolator is about £40 but I believe the valves for this will be about £7.50 for 15mm and £11.50 for 22mm.
They are also making taps that connect to the valves, for washing machines etc. The flow will not be reduced like it is in self cutting taps as the copper coupon is removed from the pipe.
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I'm sure folks will decide what makes the most sense to them.
This could be a very useful tool for the professional plumber!
The pipe genie is made by the same company that makes the Easy fit isolator- ruclips.net/video/kB_ix9cpcBo/видео.html
The weather forecast looks good for the next week here, I can’t remember the last time we had sun for such a long time in May. I’m off outside to do some DIY in the garden.
I hope everyone has a great day ;-)
This seems overengineered and to expensive.
And when did red/perpendicular become on/open and green/parallel become off/closed?
It's not expensive if you are a professional plumber.
Red=Danger
Green=safe
Easier to use one of those DIY washing machine plumbing kits that cut into the pipe
They do not do the same thing. This blocks the pipe, even if it has flowing water in it.
Message for Jimbo....... do you really think plastic pipe is more common than copper...????? I think this kit would be fine to use on plastic if it cuts through copper its gonna cut plastic i should imagine. But if you are working on a system which has plastic installed you are much more likely gonna be able to isolate the supply in various places.......... but i can honestly say that i have always managed in some way or form to isolate a particular part of pipe........ A clever piece of kit though...... would have had one in my van when i was working regular.
Fnar, fnar, he said 'bung tool'
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why wouldn't you just use the Aladdin easyfit Isolator?
This is aimed at professionals who will use a lot of them in the space of a year. The easy fit isolator is about £40, but these valves will be less than £5 each (that might be a kickstarter special price). They were also developing the kit so that drain down valves could be installed to it etc.
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@@ultimatehandyman good info. chur
Just turn off the water (/ oil / gas ), and fit the appropriate isolator valve. £2.
Please watch the video again, and try to pay attention this time ;-)
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I did get it 1st time around, £500 + VAT. End of (non-) story.
Perhaps next time you watch a video, you can not post a load of nonsense in your first post ;-)
Isolation valves is much better and easier !! Here in the United States 🇺🇸 there is a much better company that sells valves that isolates any open system the same way like this but the one I’m talking about is much better !!! Look it up Aladdin EasyFit Isolator !! It’s much better and simpler and lasts much longer and while you install it you will not lose any pressure!! Once again Aladdin EasyFit Isolator
This is made by the same people that make the easy fit isolator.
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Way too expensive. I can see tradesmen perhaps investing but I don't think many handymen would invest in something like this. There are other options a lot less involved and much cheaper like the Aladdin EasyFit Isolator you reviewed in another video
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As a gas engineer/plumber, this is reducing the bore of the pipe. A complete waste of time/money. Do the job properly and drain the water/freeze/even snatch it! Nothing beats a proper job, you might get wet snatching but at least you aren't restricting things downstream of this DIY valve...
It does not reduce the bore of the pipe at all.
I don't think you understand what this device is intended for, I did put more information in the video description as it was difficult fitting everything into the video.
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ok hold on i may have misinterpretted this...this thing 'blocks' flow right? Then you could install another full bore valve afterwards for more future maintenance? Correct?
Yes, when the bung is screwed in it blocks the flow, then you can do virtually anything you like to the pipe on the other side of bung, then remove the bung afterwards.
I believe they are also planning taps such as washing machine taps which can be screwed onto the valve, which would mean you could install one without reducing flow, as the copper coupon is removed (unlike self cutting taps).
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Ahhh, makes sense now, MY BAD! In that case it would be very very handy to have in the van but the cost is a lot but then so is a freeze kit which doesn't appear to be as versatile as this! Looks good, any idea how much the additional valve things are then?
Yes, it's an expensive initial outlay but it can do things that a freezing kit cant.
I believe this kit has been tested out by one of the regional water companies, as they can't always use a freezing kit.
As for the price of the valves, I believe they will be about £7.50 for 15mm and £11.50 for 22mm
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Long process...no THANKS
No worries
Far too expensive.
It is an expensive kit, but if you are a professional plumber this kit could make your life much easier.
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