Diane's biography is one of the most horrific cases of neglect and child abuse I ever read. First, she was molested by her grandfather at thirteen, then her father gave away the family house in Minnesota to move to California and take residence in a bread truck. Abandoned with friends at a beach house, she bounced around, was homeless, and finally fell into Manson's clutches. She was raped and psychologically abused by Manson who singled her out for verbal abuse. She was staying with the Family strictly put of necessity. She literally had no home to go home to. Finally, she was rescued, spent some time in a psyche ward, and eventually adopted. So sad😢. She completely fell through the cracks in the California child welfare system.
Agreed. She was 10 when her grandfather molested her… which truly saddens and angers me ( for her & all of those abused). I am so happy that she has come through her childhood struggles & Manson family times with strength.
@@brassgal5039 i dont understand people adore Manson till this day..... Diane explained how he raped her at the age of 15 while he was in his 30s....And all the other minor girls like Barbara Hoyd and semi valley Sherry
I have so much respect for all Diane went through… she is truly a survivor. I admire how she was able to live a “normal” life and prosper.❤️ Seems to me that CM took advantage of gullible and misguided minds. I’m now 70 and have followed this from the start till now.
There're certain stories that fascinate forever because they touch on so many things that makes us think. The Mason family story is so complex and layered that it's like going down a rabbit hole once you dive into it. The characters in it, ranging from infamous killers to legendary stars, the world of 1960's hippie culture in SF and LA, and the circumstances that led up to the perfect storm. Diane does a fabulous job of creating a vivid picture in our minds.
I was always curious about Dianne since I was a young girl when I read Helter Skelter when it came out. Growing up in a dysfunctional family myself yet I couldn’t imagine being on my own at such an early age. When Deborah’s book came out I couldn’t wait to read and thought it was outstanding. Amazing how brave Dianne was and what a survivor she is. Thanks for this ❤ and peace to both of you.
I was born Feb. 1968 and raised right up Topanga Cyn Blvd (walking distance from the mall), a few miles from Spahn Ranch. So this scary story was something I was raised with. In addition to being a wonderful tale of surviving and overcoming, Dianne's book was fascinating to me as a historical piece too as you both wrote about so many local places that were/are a part of my daily life. It blows me away and brings it all to my backyard, so to speak. I wonder sometimes if my parents unknowingly walked right by Family members at Topanga Plaza while carrying little ol' me in their arms. Or maybe ran into them while visiting Leonard Nimoy's pet store on Topanga and Roscoe, which was right up the street from the Yellow Submarine house in Canoga Park (next door to the Holiday Theater). So many questions about that era of West Valley history that I'd love to ask Dianne about. Fascinating. Thanks for the interview!
@@surfleopard Not random at all; your post suggested an interest in history. I have always encouraged my students to follow their interests. All the best, sir. Reinhold Von Treffencaunbowz
It must’ve been so terrifying to be living so close to the place where they were all living! 😢 I can’t even begin to imagine! It was scary enough to me living in Massachusetts!! 😮. Just to realize that there was such evil in this world! We are hearing tons of other stories about senseless violence but still? I can’t fathom how Manson and his “family” still stand out as far worse! We get desensitized to such things over time but so far nothing has touched the events of those murders! ❤❤
@@vivinamorrison1186 agree. And I think it’s still a significant event because to me it symbolized the beginning of the end of the true hippie movement. All I wanted to be as a little girl growing up in those times was a hippie, lol. I idolized my babysitters and neighbors and just really loved growing up in those days. So this was a shock but I think in reality not all of the family were true “flower children” except for Dianne at least from the book. She stood out.
So happy Dianne was not stained directly by the events of 1969, affected yes there is no doubt. Dianne's insight brings further details to a dark chapter of American history.
I often get her confused with Barbara Hoyt, who I hope is all right these days. I thought it was horrifying when the girls gave her a cheeseburger with an overdose of acid in it. Very close call.
This has been an amazing conversation to listen to! I was in middle school during that time, just about the same age as Diane, and I barely knew what was going on, busy with school and my own adolescent struggles in eastern PA. My parents and others were fighting to save the Delaware River from a dam, and we knew some hippy-type people in the valley. My mom was hippy- like in many ways, and we got some of them interested in our conservation causes. That world always seemed so beautiful to me, and I think it could be and often was, but the whole Manson Family debacle showed that there can be a profound dark side to everything. Thank you so much for sharing your story, Diane, and thank you, Deborah, for hosting such a wonderful podcast.
Hello from KY love your channel ❤️. Dianne you are so brave to give these interviews.I am 70 and have followed this story of Manson since the murders.My kids flipped out when I told them I am gonna write to Charlie😬 Charlie who they asked?Well he never wrote back but some folks in the prison would send a flyer of save trees etc. I had a stroke in 2007 .I am so sorry for your teen years.You absolutely deserved to be loved and guided.My absolute best to you.❤
Really enjoyed your book when it came out. You have such great insights to share about your experiences with the Manson family. It’s a story that never gets old.
Dianne and I are the same age but her parents were severely neglectful. My parents were pretty strict at times but kept me on track. I’m glad she found her way and is a mom and probably a grandmother! Good luck to you Dianne
I was just a wanna be hippie in the 70s. but I was married at 17 to get out of a house where I felt unwanted. I can relate to some of Diane's experiences, even without any connection to Charles Mansion.
Agree wholeheartedly...I'm sort of (still) a wanna-be hippie these days (age 60) and I'd hung out with my share of oddballs and whack-jobs, but they were really of no harm, just full of shit and selfish. Nothing like the Manson family happened, thank God.
People who defend Manson scare the living daylights out of me, knowing that people like them just exist. To this day, i cant sleep with the lights off. In one breath, you blame the girls and not Manson. "Not his fault!" While youre doing the same thing, blaming everyone else but him...Charlie got to you and you dont realize it. I was 9 years old and lived in the San Francisco area. My dad was in the Army and over at Fort Baker every day. Mom taking us kids over there to pick dad up one day when his car was in the shop but he wasnt finished with paperwork then a surprise meeting so he wasn't ready to go home. Mom took is shopping. Walking around, we encountered a group of hippies and they scared the shit out of me. You current generation are stupid...you have a watered down version of what hippies were like. You werent there, in those times. We walked past Manson acting like some kind of total mental defect, trying to impress a bunch of stupid, doped up young girls. He scared me so bad i cried. My mom got is the hell out of there and he kept bugging us. Thankfully a cop came up and created a break between us so mom could get us in the car. Sweet Jesus those people were terrifying. I was about 7 then. Six days after my 9th birthday, Sharon Tate and her friends were butchered. Though my mom tried to hide all of that, it was impossible. When I later saw Manson and a couple of those girls (Susan Atkins, the one with the moustache) on TV were arrested for that, my mom had to get me to a paychiatrist. Now here we are, this dumb generation are becoming sycophants for that freak. Its frightening. Evil never dies as long as there are stupid, ignorant people. Smfh.
@isabellac1117 Yes, go listen and read what nikolas schreck has researched. The whole ordeal was to do with drugs and other criminal activity as Dianne attempts to get out here, and there was no cult, helter skelter, race war nonsense although Dianne is stuck on that because that is what she has been led to believe. The reality of what actually happened is so fascinating and will suck you down the rabbit hole. Truth in Manson was no brainwashing, cult leader who forced people to kill for him. He was just your average everyday petty criminal with a terrible abusive childhood just like the rest of them.
Leslie Van Houten should have never been released. It's scary that some people are wishing her well.Its disgusting that people actually support the release of serial killers.Nobody wants to see the facts in this case,she butchered Mr Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary.Leslie thought it was "fun" to stab someone so many times like it's a game of football or some kind of sport.May the LaBiancas rest in peace.In this case there was no justice, the killer is out. She may kill again if given the opportunity. California is obsessed with releasing killers back to the streets.Leslie should date Oj Simpson since they are both killers.No normal person would want to be around Oj or Leslie.
@monicachuidian-riveracalderon exactly, she's the one who actually murdered 100% willingly. She knew there would be killing and she wanted to be a part of it and she never showed remorse for it and always blamed it on Manson.
I have been following the Manson story for years. Any book, tv show, movie. I was 8 years old at the time of the crimes and was horrified but so intrigued as to how he managed to control these people. I would love to see Topanga Canyon and the areas where the family lived, Death Valley etc. Thank you Diane for your words in the book. I will continue to follow you and listen to your interviews.
I always had mixd feelings about Leslie. Sure she's made a lot of great changes over the years, but she was involved with the family and the murders. Having said that, Krenwinkel and Watson still creep me out and I'm glad Atkins is dead.
The bottom line is that Dianne was explicitly told murders had occurred and who committed them. With that information she did absolutely nothing. She is as bad as Van Houten, Krenwinckle, and Atkins any day.
@@asherhouseman6838I’ve questioned that about several of these once members. However, perhaps looking at the dynamics of who they were were; ages, home environments, severe fear, major drug abuses, indoctrination could make any young person fear for their very lives
I grew up in Woodland Hills and spent a great deal of time in Topanga back then and to this day. I have read and heard a lot about the "Spiral Staircase" house. Where exactly was that ?.. I dont remember ever hearing about that back in the day. I lived one summer (1971) in one of the beach houses on Topanga Beach before they were taken over by the state and demolished. I was told that the Spiral Staircase house was behind the old Topanga Ranch Motel. Where was it ? what if anything is left of it.
Very informative, thank you for sharing your story Diane you are part of some big history, and brave and kind of you to share it all as you remember it to be. Wish you the best! You were only with the family for a little while in your life, yet it was like a life time all of its own I'm sure!
I often questioned how these members survived and moved on with their lives? Diane, sitting there listening to these horrors committed by these vicious murders must of been scary on every level imaginable. She’s lucky she made it out, especially having that information. Diane’s understanding of her parenting & her maturity because of them takes me aback. That’s sad to be honest! I am about 10 years younger than her. I had my rebellious times, and I paid for a few. I was very lucky that I didn’t have the mindset to get caught up in cults. I was very afraid of anything more the MJ & few drinks. That, too saved my life. Losing a brother to suicide as a young teen, all knowing many of his downfalls into drugs kept me even further away. This whole understanding of what this deviant psychopath did, and continued to perpetuate in prison has caused many people to continually question how this could of happened; a little man, however charming, and masterful in his attempts to manipulate was able to bring out murderous rage in individuals. The idea he was eventually allowed to marry angers me. I have gone through many emotions questioning if these convicted killers could ever be rehabilitated. And, if so, does this allow them to go free. This debate has been talked about in many circles I know. And, there’s those who feel two or, at least one should of been. I wanted to truly believe Van Houten was among them. I literally as of a week ago, was all for letting her out, and there were several reasonings behind this. As of today, I want her back in prison, doing whatever she can to help other prisoners, yet serve her life sentence.
Definitely listened through the end. A lot of wisdom can be gained by listening to the witnesses of those times and events. Lessons learned can prevent history from repeating itself.
Dianne, I'm sorry you had such abusive, negligent parents that taught you that your body was not valuable and it was cool to give your body and self to some worthless pieces of crap men and women just so your parents could be cool, free parents. Did your parents ever apologize to you for what they allowed and encouraged to happen to you? Did your parents ever grow up themselves? I have not read your book but I have not heard you discuss in any of your interviews that young girls should have respect for themselves and there bodies and maybe shouldn't be trying to grow up so fast thinking that having sex at young ages with POS is the answer to their feelings of worthlessness. I'm sorry you were sexually and emotionally abused as a very young child by your parents friends and Charlie and yes, it is a miracle that you came out the other side as well as you have. It is a shame that you had to hide this most of your adult life and even hide it from your children as well as the children you taught and their parents. That must have been difficult having to live a lie about who you were and are. If I were a parent, I would want to know my children were being taught by a Manson girl. How did you live with this conflict or was it a conflict for you at all? You speak of your story as a cautionary tale but you do not discuss what really got you there in the first place, the sexual abuse, the giving up of your own self control to men and women just to fit in somewhere and be controlled by them. That is what every teacher should be explaining to their students....their own self worth, don't give yourself away as a teenager because there are lifelong consequences. I also know there were issues with STDs with the Manson family members. I have not heard you discuss this. Maybe it's time for you to write another book "Consequences of knowing Charlie: The life I had to hide". That would be a good cautionary tale. Best wishes, you have done well with the cards you were dealt. Wishing you continued peace in your life.
God be with you both!! 🙏 Im not sure if you can communicate a question to Diane for me, but ill try. Has Diane read Tom O'Neil's book Chaos? If she has...does she agree with what he found in his research?
Chaos is a pretty good book and even though I agree that most Manson's Family members (including Dianne) were brainwashed (MKUltra or not), it gets much much deeper than that. It's so insanely obvious and there are so many proofs that the Sharon Tate murder never happened, just like there are many holes in the Labiancas murder case, which happened, but i'm also sure the Manson's weren't the ones that killed them. Anyways, "Chaos" is right because the biggest criminals of the case is CIA.
@@akdakda I am about half way through Chaos. I'm 52 and wrote a term paper waaayyy back in HS about Helter Skelter. The vision Bugliosi gave us is very different than the one Tom O'Neil gives us. In my world, the truth lies somewhere in between. But I do wholly agree the CIA was very aware of Manson and his crew.
Hi Deborah and Dianne, it’s so refreshing to hear of those who were there at Spahn’s as I was during late ‘68-‘69. Did you remember Joe, Jack, Barbara Sue and those that lived in a school bus and old milk truck back by the Outlaw Shacks?
What people not born yet, or even around in the 60s-70s, don’t understand, is that teens WERE NOT considered CHILDREN. As a matter of fact, teens were referred to as YOUNG ADULTS. Those out there that find this shocking, need to remember KIDS were being drafted and sent to war right out of HS. Viet Nam was raging. Teens WERE expected to be mature beyond what’s expected today. The drinking age in most States was 18-19. So teens were growing up a hell of a lot faster than today. And teens WANTED to grow up and get on their own. All influenced heavily by the independence of changing expectations for women, equal rights for women and minorities, women joining the workforce and birth control pills being a freeing thing. So people of THIS generation can’t conceive of the times and the way things were. Yes it WAS absolutely shocking parents allowed their 13yr old to just “be an adult”, but it wasn’t shocking AT ALL to see 16yr olds and up literally leaving home to be independent. Especially in CA. It was much more conservative in the Midwest and East. Her parents were relatively young hippies. Lol my parents were WW2 era and were very strict. Very typical midwestern conservative values. Point is the options were much more open for teens. Finding communes literally SAVED many a runaway and abused kid from a worse fate on the streets. That said if you found yourself in a cult like The Children of God, or Manson Family not good at all. Also think of this. There’s way more drug use and deaths NOW, than in the 60s-70s. The only new drug is Fentanyl. Opiates were EASILY accessible in those days. Funny but teens and young adults were actually more responsible about drugs and stayed AWAY from hardcore addictive drugs back then. And the statistics PROVE that. In my opinion it’s exactly the expectations of teens to be “young adults” made all the difference in the majority CHOOSING not to fall into that trap. At 61, and studying societal norms, reflecting on where we were then and are now, there’s a reason we have the societal issues we now have. It’s so interesting to really sit and think on all this. The Manson crimes and the ripple effects of them really open the door to so many questions. Diane describes the experience she had so well. I’ve definitely got to read her book.
I know me too! ❤. But the era of free love and freedom I aspired to with both feet! Drugs? Nothing illegal but? While working as a Nurse I injured my back horribly. The doctor gave me Demerol for severe pain. As soon as it took effect I genuinely believed that I had found the way EVERYONE should live! This was only the beginning of the most difficult year of my life! The Lord is gracious and showed me that I was addicted! ❤ Today? I’m an Addiction Therapist and Counseling people from all walks of life! ❤❤
Im so glad you let her talk some . When doing a interview. Let them finish the question you asked before you ask another. If you have another question related to the question you asked. Let her finish her statement then ask.
@@Authordeborahherman That's a good point that stargazer makes. But you know, I have noticed this going back to the 1980s, all over the world. Interviewers just don't let their subjects answer the questions they are asked. I live in London and on both radio and TV, it has been endemic. Let the subject speak. I'm sure interviewers will find some great off the cuff follow-up questions, if they do. I think a good interviewer realizes that the interview is not about them, and keeps out of the way.
I can understand why she wouldn't want to announce to the world her viewpoints on the release of Van Houten. But, why not Krenwenkel? And, Diane is so so lucky to be the one Charlie didn't ask.
Deborah thank you so much for doing these videos. I know you both probably have busy lives like the rest of us but I wish you could ask Diane to do some more interviews whenever you both have some free time. I’m enthralled by her book and her stories and life experiences. Thank the good lord that she made it through that awful situation with Manson and found love and happiness in her life. She sure deserves it. She is still beautiful and I know she was the youngest of the group but she definitely aged well, like a fine wine. 🍷 But I have a few questions for Diane that I’d love to hear her response. I’d love to know if she truly believed in Bugiolsi’s Helter Skelter motive ? My personal opinion is that it was the “Love of Brother” motive to get Bobby out of jail. And the writings on the walls in blood were put there to frame the Black Panthers after the Bernard Crowe incident. Especially the Political Piggy 🐾 with the paw print at the Hinman house. It seems to me that the Crowe shooting was the catalyst for everything that followed. Before that it seemed like everything was Peace and Love at the ranch but after that is when guns and knives started showing up there. I feel that after that incident paranoia set in at the ranch with Charlie thinking that he killed a Black Panther. I think Charlie really didn’t believe in Helter Skelter himself but that was the only way for Buglosi to get Manson convicted with a conspiracy charge. Idk ? Don’t get me wrong, he deserved to be in prison but it was just the way Buglosi went about it. That’s just my opinion but I’d love to hear what Diane says about that. Thanks again Deborah.
We plan on doing more videos and will address that issue. The book shows that Manson was descending into a type of madness that reached a crescendo. I know from working with Dianne that it wasn't one thing. It was a combination of everything, which is how cults typically end up in tragedy. And when a sociopath/psychopath feels painted into a corner, they become desperate. It was peace and love at the ranch until it wasn't. From early on, Manson talked about a race war and borrowed some of his belief systems from the Fountain of the World cult down the road from Spahn Ranch. Krishna Venta also said there would be a race war. He was killed by a disgruntled follower before Manson arrived. Dianne believes Manson was delusional and observed him with the White Album. It is not uncommon for people with manic delusions to think everything is related and can believe that there are hidden messages meant for them. This was not one thing which is why it is studied even today. You may enjoy the book "Inside the Manson Jury", an expanded manuscript by jury foreman Herman Tubick written in 1973 but never published. It has excerpts from the trial transcript of what happened in chambers and how Manson tried to undermine the legal system. It is also illustrated. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
Thank you Deb and I definitely will be looking out for more interviews with you and Diane in the future. And funny you should mention “Inside the Manson Jury” because I just bought it recently but only read the first few chapters but it gives great insight into the case from the jury’s perspective which was never really explored before. And please let Diane know that she has many people pulling for her and are in her corner after all she’s been through. I’m so glad she made it through that terrible experience but God is good. And please let me know if you plan on doing any more conferences or events in the NY area. I saw on Ken Main’s RUclips channel that he had a conference with you and Diane in NY in 2019 and I would love to go if you happen to have another in the NY area. I live in North Jersey and am 15 minutes from Manhattan. Thanks again.
Let’s not forget, “Messianic Complex”! Saw an interview with him where he actually admitted that he enjoyed his last name!! He said that “Manson”allowed him to speak as he was supposed to. Because he was after all “ the son of man!” I understand that he was a very skilled manipulator at the beginning of his sentence, but as time went on? The Parole Hearings revealed a man who was losing his grip with reality! 😢❤❤
She's very nice, clear and level. I would think she was a college professor or some other kind of successful professional if we didn't know what she had been through.
It really was a horrible time in history wasn’t it?? I was a Hippie but fortunate to want to continue my education and become a Nurse, so I had no time for the drugs etc. But? I had the long hair & dressed like one anyhow! Peace was what all of us wanted! Vietnam was a nightmare waiting for us to wake up! So sad really ❤❤
You expect an honest answer from a person like this? From any of those left over Manson Cult people, still burning a candle for Charlie, and the best time in their worthless lives? Pathological liars, all of them, in prison and out. I agree with you about getting to the truth about ULTRA and CHAOS, but not from this dame, nor the sand bagging interviewer.
I’d be interested to know if Diane ever reconciled with her parents. Obviously, they had their own set of problems, not the least of which was their poor judgment and even poorer parenting skills. I’m thankful Diane received the help she needed to become a useful member of society.
I've a question for you and Dianne: Susan wasn't allowed to go out from prison, Leslie released. Could Dianne elaborate on her relationship with Susan and Leslie ? Had they so different personality? Thank you in advance. Adriano
I have a friend who was a young adult hippie living in Topanga around the same time Dianne arrived there....my friend also met "groovy" Charlie and says she got the worst chills - hair standing up on the back of her neck vibes. She felt the evil.
Charlie was horrible How ab the ppl who did it😳He just told them to do it,It was up to them on what happened!All the blame has been put on Charlie &frankly I’m sick of hearing it,They were old enough to know right &Wrong.
Not only he used to drug them, but psychologically abuse them too, mostly. Of course it's not a 100% excuse for the murders in particular, but at some point they believed Manson was God, that they were on a mission. It's not as simple as Manson telling them to do these horrible things and them doing it. Also he knew who to choose, and to manipulate. There was a pattern if we look at the followers. They all needed someone to look up for them, to guide them, essentially that's what he was and meant to those people. He had the power. Being old enough when raised in particular conditions, can mean anything in terms of right and wrong, especially when someone is basically controlling your mind and thoughts
other members of the "family", including Bobby Beausoleil, say that the whole "Helter Skelter" theory is a "myth" and not the "real" reason for the murders. What is Diane's perspective on this?
It was more of a drug-addled, surreal concept that, without copious amounts of LSD and other mind-altering substances, such skewed ideas of a coming race war and a giant hole that the Family would dwell in until it was safe to emerge and be victorious are pure nonsense.
I bet Dianne's parents spent the rest of their lives regrating their 60s lifestyle. When they found out their daughter was caught up in the most notorious criminal case in US history. LOL Suddenly Leary's "Turn Off, Tune In and Drop Out!" wasn't as hot a philosophy as it appeared.
She should get released to emphathize what Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkle did was the worst (neither should get released let the Lord decide in the next life)!!!!!
why did Manson send out Linda Kasabian on the night of the murders if he says he barely knew her and was probably smart enough to see through people???
ASK DIANE WHO LIVED IN OUTLAW SHACKS IN BACK AT SPAHNS RANCH HE WAS GETTING REAL GOOD ACID AND SELLING IT TO CHARLEY AND MANSON FAMILY IN 67 68 AROUND THAT ERA.
I saw a true crime story on Netflix where the detective is impersonated by an actor. In one of the episodes, a young man stabed to death a young woman and dumped her beside a dumpster. It happened in california in the nineties and he only got 4 (yes four) years of prison. So for me it’s hard to understand how a remorsefull inmate that checks everything required to get paroled was denied by the governor that just has to claim that the inmate still represents a threat to the society without any proof or justification…
The high profile nature of the murders due to one fairly famous actress and the viciousness (Tate was 9 months pregnant when she was murdered) is what delivered headlines and kept the family members who participated in prison for over 50 years. If not for these aspects of the crimes, these killers would have likely been released decades ago. And yes, kenernest is correct in noting how these murders changed our culture. With the rebellious youth of that time consuming chemicals of all kinds and the "free love" that was being embraced by the youth, I'm sure these slayings were a welcome example by authorities to showcase the outcome of such "evil" pursuits. (Their opinion, not mine, but served their purposes).
Obviously, the man who stabbed a woman to death should have gotten more than four years. As for Van Houten, she and her co-defendants were originally sentenced to death. I am not sure why her sentence was not changed to life without parole after the Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional.
She answers it well in the book. She does some real soul searching about that time in her life and why God spared her life when she could have been killed many times. You can get the book less expensively on audible and Ebook. Let us know what you think. Also we can do another video in a few weeks. Send questions to debsbookparadise@gmail.com We may do it live so people can ask questions as long as we can keep the trolls away.
@@Authordeborahherman Sounds like a fascinating idea for a video. I've ordered the book, used but it'll have a good home. Thanks for the reply, I'm so looking forward to reading it all... I'm sure I'll have plenty of thoughts on it. Since I got interested in the whole Manson case, not just the crimes but what happened before, I've thought Dianne was the most honest & open about it all. I've got a lot of respect for her.
I have to add a comment here after reading the book... in 3 days because I couldn't put it down. I will honestly admit that the culture of the 60s, cults, and Manson's music is fascinating to me. But I'm also a very caring woman with a big heart. I was in tears for Dianne by the end of the book and it helped me to see just how skillfully Charlie could play someone vulnerable. I respect the hell out of Dianne, and I'm honored to read her story because she is just so honest. She's definitely an inspiration that I can make it though my mental illness & past addiction after knowing what she went through and came out the other side. ❤
People really need to go read a lot more about the topic of this "manson family" stuff because this helter skelter/cult stuff is total b.s. open your mind to it, its actually very fascinating.
Regarding “Helter Skelter” does anyone remember how the Beatles were actually blamed for sending the MESSAGE to the Earth and then they were the reason these horrible things happened?? NUTZ OR WHAT?? ❤❤
Manson was obsessed with the Beatles White album and read messages in the songs, particularly one called Helter Skelter. He told his followers that there was going to be a race war, blacks against whites and that the black man would win, causing him and his hippy adherents to find a giant hole, into which they would hide until it was safe to return to the surface. Manson called this Helter Skelter.
The story wont end because it was horrifically incredible. 100 plus stab knives. Diane lake wasnt involved. She was, by my opinion, just a pot smoker. Ready 2 hear Dianne s story 😀 btw i was only 9yo when this happened.
I hope Van Houten is dogged by insurmountable hardship and difficulty as she reckons with her freedom. I do not think she should ever have been released. I worry she will repeat past behaviors.
She has been approached by many media outlets to be interviewed and chose not to. She is only on these videos because it's with the woman she wrote the book with and is now friends with.
"Dianne is using Leslie's release as another way to sell more books" I don't believe that. But even if it were true, so what ? A book is a commodity that is for sale. It would be illogical not to want people to buy it. And the thing with books is that they are very easy to forget about. So if an event comes along that might get people interested in your book, then that's a good thing. I read the book when it first came out in 2017. It's a good book and a useful reference. I have no problem at all with someone who lived through a particular event of interest, satisfying the demand that may arise when that event is back in the public consciousness.
I imagine there is a conflict in your opinion on Van Houten getting out. You didn't get convicted because you testified against them. That's the way law is. But did you testify because they were going to prosecute you for accessory after the fact because you were too brainwashed and fearful to come forward earlier? Very glad the deprogramming worked for you and you were able to come forward and testify against them. Maybe the conflict is If you come out and say she shouldn't be released you could have easily been in her position, life in prison or death and you are just thanking your lucking stars you escaped that fate. This is the stuff people would like to hear about now because the glamorization of hippie cultdom is over. And I hope Van Houten is reformed because she may not be too happy about her conviction. If I were you, I would be clear across the country from where ever she is and have a great security system.
Guess you think it's as if it happened yesterday . Let the lady out , sounds like the State had a personal grudge against her , when California's name should be the Freak Show State F. them .
This lady didn't participate in any of the murders, there were several members of the cult that weren't charged with any crimes, if anything this lady was a victim too, she was just a minor
@@williamsherman1089 But she wasn't prosecuted because she testified against the others who were just as mixed up as her, and she could have easily been one of them. It was just luck she wasn't, not that she was some brilliant citizen.
@@williamsherman1089 Yes she did. In fact, she asked Manson if she could participate in the La Bianca murders and was excited to be a part of it. She stabbed Leno La Bianca multiple times in the back until he was dead. Don't kid yourself. She was just as bad as the rest of them.
she says how she could not believe how these people whom she loved could do these murders . She heard and was listening to all the details but she never just thought I have to leave these people ..She was right in with them doing drugs and living there doing what they did...
@@vivinamorrison1186 He said that to her. He also had them looking for two girls who had escaped and they were told to kill them. Fortunately, they were not found and they got away. This was a very dangerous situation. During research for the book my husband and I went with Dianne to Barker Ranch. I have a lot of footage that I may put into a video with her. The place was so remote that it freaked me out just going there. We got lost for a while but eventually, Dianne recognized some landmarks. There was still metal in front of a cave that we believe was a hidden lookout. Manson did not want his group to be found.
Who cares. Really ?? It was 53 years ago. She's an old lady. If she wasn't part of the " Manson family* she would have been released long ago anyway.. yes it was brutal but God forgives so should we. Life goes on.
Okay it's not rocket science Leslie should have been out of prison after 7 years and I believe she was rehabilitated a couple of months after the LSD wore off
Really? More than a year after her arrest, she told her lawyer, her lawyer asked her, how hard it was to stab Rosemary. She had to use lot of force to get the knife in. When asked how she feels about the murders of Rosemary and the others now, she replied "I can't feel sorry because I did it with the intention of it being right." Do you feel sorry for the people who are dead? To be honest? No! He asked if she could go back to that night, would she do it again? She said yes. Does this sound rehabilitated?
Now, as i understand it, the key murderers in this murderous cult sat around after their murdering on 8.8.69 and 9.8.69 ( we'll leave aside all the other murders for a moment) and laughed and joked about the horror and the terror of their victims. But the other members of the cult knew nothing about it. They were around the murderers for months afterwards, even going to Death Valley, but this woman and her buddies knew nothing about the murders. This went on until months later when the cops were onto the cult, and she and others THEN ran off, calling for their families. But of course they knew nothing about the killings, and never charged with anything. I see. Right. Of course. And 54 years later she's a victim and a survivor and deserving of sympathy. Not from me, darling. Question to readers: if you were part of a group, and your friends slaughtered a whole bunch of innocent people, what would you do? Stay? Hang around until the cops arrived, months later? Hey Dianne, you can fool the average Joe and Jessy, but not those of us who really know this case well. And you cannot, should not, must not, and will not avoid the full judgement of history -- you and rest of the inner gang of Mansonites who enjoyed the ride and only jumped off at the end to the save your worthless skins. Dianne, what do you know about Manson catch and release by the authorities again and again and again while on parole; about where he was getting his money for guns, drugs and the rest; about Manson's links; about CHAOS, MKULTRA, about his claim late in life ( on tape) that he did a deal with 'The Man' ( Establishment) to keep his mouth shut about what really went on back then, for protection in prison? Just for starters. We'd all love to know.
The evidence showed she didn't actually kill anyone anyway. Her attack on Rosemary ref.the 14 stab wounds from her to the lower back were in fact post mortem. Granted , she didn't know Rosemary was already dead from wounds inflicted by tex. The fact still remains her stab wounds from Leslie we're not fatal. But since she was involved. I agree on her conviction but it's time to move on!!
I agree. It's purely speculation based on her testimony. But the coroner's report did state the lower back stab wounds "appeared" to be post mortem. Appears to be isn't proof. I guess it's all speculation really. Either way she was there and complicit in my book
Even if that were true, Van Houten didn't know he was dead. (It was Leno, btw) As far as she was concerned, she killed him and got a real charge out of it. Don't make this woman out to be something she isn't to fit your skewed perception of the story. You just shouldn't let any of these people out of prison. After all, they were sentenced to death until the death penalty was briefly halted in 1972 due to the belief that it was cruel and unusual punishment and those on death row were commuted to life in prison. What *was* cruel and unusual was the slaughtering of seven innocent people and an unborn child.
Do your research .. she wasn't at the Tate murders. How ever . Like I said ,I still believe she's just as guilty. That's what complicity means. Linda Kasabian should have went to jail too. Instead of being given immunity to be a witness right. She actually was at the Tate house
@dradden1556 : "The evidence showed she didn't actually kill anyone anyway. Her attack on Rosemary ref.the 14 stab wounds from her to the lower back were in fact post mortem. Granted , she didn't know Rosemary was already dead from wounds inflicted by tex" This is actually untrue ~ the evidence shows the opposite, that Rosemary LaBianca was alive before LVH began to stab her. It's a simple mathematical equation. Leslie says she stabbed 14-16 times, right ? But only _some_ of the 14 wounds to the back and below were post-mortem. That means less than 14. Which shows that she was alive. She may have been on the way out - but she wasn't gone yet. That's scientific evidence that can't be refuted. Leslie herself also admitted she could have inflicted some wounds up by the neck and on the back, where the overwhelming majority of the wounds were. The truth is that it can never be known which wounds were inflicted by whom. It's not as though anyone was logging them.
He was an adult and this woman was a minor at the time. He was providing drugs and brainwashing them. It was a cult, that's how cults work. Those in the cult who committed the murders did not get off by blaming Manson, they went to prison just like he did. Cults are a real thing.
Yes. This women stayed in the cult and only went running when the cops were on to them. Are we meant to believe that she was with the murderers for months after the murders and yet knew nothing about their crimes? Come on. Does she think we are stupid?
@@davidhailstone7794 It sounds like after hearing them gleefully recount their murders and the changes in everyone's behavior she became afraid for her life. She was a 14 year old.
@@janetclaireSays she was 16/17, and was doing drugs, having sex, and in a cult that she knew committed drug crimes and burglaries into people's houses that also murdered people whom the cult leader didn't like. Let's not over-play her innocence. These Manson women who were never charged are all the same: like Sgt Shultz they all knew 'nothing...nothing' and I'm calling it out as baloney.
I don't know what you mean by grandstanding. This was a conversation with Dianne because we wrote her book together and we are friends because of it. We did a second interview where Dianne shares more details. You don't need to be so rude on the internet where you are anonymous. But like you know whats everyone has an opinion.
@@FrankiesFancy More than likely he's just a troll or bot. Just someone that has nothing else to do with his life and just want to get a rise out of people. Forget about him, he has no value.
Actually, it was Squeaky but it doesn't really matter.. Squeaky was a male version of him and he liked that and she went to the ends of the earth for him.
And how long has the Squeak been out ? Didn't she try to kill Reagan? They let her out because she blended in with the Freak Show State. She shit back on them and if they knew embarrassment they'd still be pissed at anything to do with the Manson episode. Fuck the all knowing , self righteous Freaks.
Do not buy it. Send her back. Many of us are and have experienced and or seen abuse in more ways than one and do N O T need or have Jail or hurt ANY one. Especially send some Ones, their life out of here. They did deliberate acts to send victims on another journey. It is not our job to ForGive, individuals have to present themselves to G_d thru Jesus. We are not there when the word is spoken for the direction of sheoul or heaven. Our job is to accept Jesus, be faithful and keep following the word. Good works don't hurt. These were deliberate acts. Put her back and other one to. If they smile beware. Keep away ...I have to pay schooling. Big deal they became educated. Talk about cold, they have iceburgs for blood. Reptilian. Bah
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I hope Tex gets out. He won't be forgiven because he is a male, but they are all as mixed up as this woman. It was dumb luck that she wasn't there for the crimes, not that she was on some moral high ground. It's just how it worked out. She hasn't admitted to herself how nuts this all was. And the interviewer has to keep her honest.
To quote the late Doris Tate, who started a group Parents Of Murdered Children and attended every single parole hearing to make sure none of these murderers got out, "You can't let serial killers out of prison." Tex Watson, when he and the others broke into Sharon Tate's home, said "I am the devil and am here to do the devil's work. He enjoyed killing them and was quoted as describing the victims: "They were running around like chickens with their heads cut off." Now would *you* like to have this guy move next door to you and your children?
A survivor of intense child abuse, what a lion Diane is ❤ she deserves all respect in the world, what a darling ❤🙏
Diane's biography is one of the most horrific cases of neglect and child abuse I ever read. First, she was molested by her grandfather at thirteen, then her father gave away the family house in Minnesota to move to California and take residence in a bread truck. Abandoned with friends at a beach house, she bounced around, was homeless, and finally fell into Manson's clutches. She was raped and psychologically abused by Manson who singled her out for verbal abuse. She was staying with the Family strictly put of necessity. She literally had no home to go home to. Finally, she was rescued, spent some time in a psyche ward, and eventually adopted. So sad😢. She completely fell through the cracks in the California child welfare system.
She's doing remarkably well considering what she went through, it's heartwarming too see how happy she seems
Bless her. Thanks for telling a little if her story. ❤
She is a real survivor, and deserves all respect for that
Agreed. She was 10 when her grandfather molested her… which truly saddens and angers me ( for her & all of those abused). I am so happy that she has come through her childhood struggles & Manson family times with strength.
@@brassgal5039 i dont understand people adore Manson till this day..... Diane explained how he raped her at the age of 15 while he was in his 30s....And all the other minor girls like Barbara Hoyd and semi valley Sherry
I have so much respect for all Diane went through… she is truly a survivor. I admire how she was able to live a “normal” life and prosper.❤️
Seems to me that CM took advantage of gullible and misguided minds. I’m now 70 and have followed this from the start till now.
God bless you Dianne ❤
There're certain stories that fascinate forever because they touch on so many things that makes us think. The Mason family story is so complex and layered that it's like going down a rabbit hole once you dive into it. The characters in it, ranging from infamous killers to legendary stars, the world of 1960's hippie culture in SF and LA, and the circumstances that led up to the perfect storm. Diane does a fabulous job of creating a vivid picture in our minds.
Dianne has transcended the mundane, slave like life of most people. Kudos!
I was always curious about Dianne since I was a young girl when I read Helter Skelter when it came out. Growing up in a dysfunctional family myself yet I couldn’t imagine being on my own at such an early age. When Deborah’s book came out I couldn’t wait to read and thought it was outstanding. Amazing how brave Dianne was and what a survivor she is. Thanks for this ❤ and peace to both of you.
I was born Feb. 1968 and raised right up Topanga Cyn Blvd (walking distance from the mall), a few miles from Spahn Ranch. So this scary story was something I was raised with. In addition to being a wonderful tale of surviving and overcoming, Dianne's book was fascinating to me as a historical piece too as you both wrote about so many local places that were/are a part of my daily life. It blows me away and brings it all to my backyard, so to speak. I wonder sometimes if my parents unknowingly walked right by Family members at Topanga Plaza while carrying little ol' me in their arms. Or maybe ran into them while visiting Leonard Nimoy's pet store on Topanga and Roscoe, which was right up the street from the Yellow Submarine house in Canoga Park (next door to the Holiday Theater).
So many questions about that era of West Valley history that I'd love to ask Dianne about. Fascinating.
Thanks for the interview!
You sound like a girl who would be a great historian; are you pursuing a university education? 😊
@@barneyronnie I'm not a girl. And no I am not. That was an odd and random response to my post.
@@surfleopard Not random at all; your post suggested an interest in history. I have always encouraged my students to follow their interests.
All the best, sir.
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It must’ve been so terrifying to be living so close to the place where they were all living! 😢 I can’t even begin to imagine! It was scary enough to me living in Massachusetts!! 😮. Just to realize that there was such evil in this world! We are hearing tons of other stories about senseless violence but still? I can’t fathom how Manson and his “family” still stand out as far worse! We get desensitized to such things over time but so far nothing has touched the events of those murders! ❤❤
@@vivinamorrison1186 agree. And I think it’s still a significant event because to me it symbolized the beginning of the end of the true hippie movement. All I wanted to be as a little girl growing up in those times was a hippie, lol. I idolized my babysitters and neighbors and just really loved growing up in those days. So this was a shock but I think in reality not all of the family were true “flower children” except for Dianne at least from the book. She stood out.
So happy Dianne was not stained directly by the events of 1969, affected yes there is no doubt. Dianne's insight brings further details to a dark chapter of American history.
I feel for Diane having to learn about the murders the way she did and the pain it caused her.She is so brave being able to talk about it.
I often get her confused with Barbara Hoyt, who I hope is all right these days. I thought it was horrifying when the girls gave her a cheeseburger with an overdose of acid in it. Very close call.
@@farrellmcnulty909 Babs Hoyt died a few weeks after Charles mansion did, back in 2017.
@@grimtraveller7923 Thanks for telling me.
I had no idea. Very sad.
This has been an amazing conversation to listen to! I was in middle school during that time, just about the same age as Diane, and I barely knew what was going on, busy with school and my own adolescent struggles in eastern PA. My parents and others were fighting to save the Delaware River from a dam, and we knew some hippy-type people in the valley. My mom was hippy- like in many ways, and we got some of them interested in our conservation causes. That world always seemed so beautiful to me, and I think it could be and often was, but the whole Manson Family debacle showed that there can be a profound dark side to everything. Thank you so much for sharing your story, Diane, and thank you, Deborah, for hosting such a wonderful podcast.
Deborah, thank you so much for doing the interview with Dianne Lake. This is one amazing story. These stories need to be told.
Thank you. Have you listened to part 2? We go into more depth.
@@Authordeborahherman Thanks! I will look for it! 🙂
Det. Mains sent me! This is such an incredible and insightful interview. Thank you both for doing this.
Welcome!
Hello from KY love your channel ❤️. Dianne you are so brave to give these interviews.I am 70 and have followed this story of Manson since the murders.My kids flipped out when I told them I am gonna write to Charlie😬 Charlie who they asked?Well he never wrote back but some folks in the prison would send a flyer of save trees etc. I had a stroke in 2007 .I am so sorry for your teen years.You absolutely deserved to be loved and guided.My absolute best to you.❤
Really enjoyed your book when it came out. You have such great insights to share about your experiences with the Manson family. It’s a story that never gets old.
Thank you both. This is amazing to listen to
Dianne and I are the same age but her parents were severely neglectful. My parents were pretty strict at times but kept me on track. I’m glad she found her way and is a mom and probably a grandmother! Good luck to you Dianne
Thank you for this really great interview and would recommend the book to anybody
Love you both. Thanks, ladies. Thanks, Dianne, for opening up.❤❤❤ This story has effected me in a huge way. So, thank you for opening up.
I was just a wanna be hippie in the 70s. but I was married at 17 to get out of a house where I felt unwanted.
I can relate to some of Diane's experiences, even without any connection to Charles Mansion.
Agree wholeheartedly...I'm sort of (still) a wanna-be hippie these days (age 60) and I'd hung out with my share of oddballs and whack-jobs, but they were really of no harm, just full of shit and selfish. Nothing like the Manson family happened, thank God.
People who defend Manson scare the living daylights out of me, knowing that people like them just exist. To this day, i cant sleep with the lights off. In one breath, you blame the girls and not Manson. "Not his fault!" While youre doing the same thing, blaming everyone else but him...Charlie got to you and you dont realize it. I was 9 years old and lived in the San Francisco area. My dad was in the Army and over at Fort Baker every day. Mom taking us kids over there to pick dad up one day when his car was in the shop but he wasnt finished with paperwork then a surprise meeting so he wasn't ready to go home. Mom took is shopping. Walking around, we encountered a group of hippies and they scared the shit out of me. You current generation are stupid...you have a watered down version of what hippies were like. You werent there, in those times. We walked past Manson acting like some kind of total mental defect, trying to impress a bunch of stupid, doped up young girls. He scared me so bad i cried. My mom got is the hell out of there and he kept bugging us. Thankfully a cop came up and created a break between us so mom could get us in the car. Sweet Jesus those people were terrifying. I was about 7 then. Six days after my 9th birthday, Sharon Tate and her friends were butchered. Though my mom tried to hide all of that, it was impossible. When I later saw Manson and a couple of those girls (Susan Atkins, the one with the moustache) on TV were arrested for that, my mom had to get me to a paychiatrist. Now here we are, this dumb generation are becoming sycophants for that freak. Its frightening. Evil never dies as long as there are stupid, ignorant people. Smfh.
I believe the part about the psychiatrist. People need to read way more about the "manson family" it's not what you've been told.
@@tinaschultz9371Can you explain what you mean by this?
@isabellac1117 Yes, go listen and read what nikolas schreck has researched. The whole ordeal was to do with drugs and other criminal activity as Dianne attempts to get out here, and there was no cult, helter skelter, race war nonsense although Dianne is stuck on that because that is what she has been led to believe. The reality of what actually happened is so fascinating and will suck you down the rabbit hole. Truth in Manson was no brainwashing, cult leader who forced people to kill for him. He was just your average everyday petty criminal with a terrible abusive childhood just like the rest of them.
Leslie Van Houten should have never been released. It's scary that some people are wishing her well.Its disgusting that people actually support the release of serial killers.Nobody wants to see the facts in this case,she butchered Mr Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary.Leslie thought it was "fun" to stab someone so many times like it's a game of football or some kind of sport.May the LaBiancas rest in peace.In this case there was no justice, the killer is out. She may kill again if given the opportunity. California is obsessed with releasing killers back to the streets.Leslie should date Oj Simpson since they are both killers.No normal person would want to be around Oj or Leslie.
@monicachuidian-riveracalderon exactly, she's the one who actually murdered 100% willingly. She knew there would be killing and she wanted to be a part of it and she never showed remorse for it and always blamed it on Manson.
Found ya today👍.. Appreciate your content.. Wonderful conversation 👏✌️😉
being so shook up about the murder goes to show how mature she was for her age
I've read the Google preview of the book, I'm buying it as soon as I get paid. Once again what a strong, brave lady... I respect her so much
Wait!! You have to get paid before buying a book?
Good lord
@@MrTripletts yeah that's what it's like being on a fixed income
That LVH stabbed someone 16 X, and is now out amongst us, speaks volumes on how much we cave into the 'rights' of perpetrators!!!!!
fantastic book, I've read it. Great interview. Many compliments from Italy.
Thank you.
Yeah like we need to see Mansons devotees in the news while we cringe about the latest injustice.
I have been following the Manson story for years. Any book, tv show, movie. I was 8 years old at the time of the crimes and was horrified but so intrigued as to how he managed to control these people. I would love to see Topanga Canyon and the areas where the family lived, Death Valley etc. Thank you Diane for your words in the book. I will continue to follow you and listen to your interviews.
I like listening to Diane. Don't think Leslie should of gotten out. It was so Horrific. Hope the other girl. And especially Tex Watson NEVER gets out.
I always had mixd feelings about Leslie. Sure she's made a lot of great changes over the years, but she was involved with the family and the murders. Having said that, Krenwinkel and Watson still creep me out and I'm glad Atkins is dead.
The bottom line is that Dianne was explicitly told murders had occurred and who committed them. With that information she did absolutely nothing. She is as bad as Van Houten, Krenwinckle, and Atkins any day.
@@asherhouseman6838I’ve questioned that about several of these once members. However, perhaps looking at the dynamics of who they were were; ages, home environments, severe fear, major drug abuses, indoctrination could make any young person fear for their very lives
As I remember it Tex found Jeans Christ as his personal Lord and Savior and works with the Ministry Office as an Evangelist. Prison Ministry? Cool! ❤❤
Oops! I meant Jesus Christ! So sorry! ❤❤❤❤
I grew up in Woodland Hills and spent a great deal of time in Topanga back then and to this day. I have read and heard a lot about the "Spiral Staircase" house. Where exactly was that ?.. I dont remember ever hearing about that back in the day. I lived one summer (1971) in one of the beach houses on Topanga Beach before they were taken over by the state and demolished. I was told that the Spiral Staircase house was behind the old Topanga Ranch Motel. Where was it ? what if anything is left of it.
Just finished the book a very personal insight to charles manson and the manson family, and very brave of Dianne to be so honest, a fantastic read...
Very informative, thank you for sharing your story Diane you are part of some big history, and brave and kind of you to share it all as you remember it to be. Wish you the best!
You were only with the family for a little while in your life, yet it was like a life time all of its own I'm sure!
I often questioned how these members survived and moved on with their lives? Diane, sitting there listening to these horrors committed by these vicious murders must of been scary on every level imaginable. She’s lucky she made it out, especially having that information.
Diane’s understanding of her parenting & her maturity because of them takes me aback. That’s sad to be honest!
I am about 10 years younger than her. I had my rebellious times, and I paid for a few. I was very lucky that I didn’t have the mindset to get caught up in cults. I was very afraid of anything more the MJ & few drinks. That, too saved my life. Losing a brother to suicide as a young teen, all knowing many of his downfalls into drugs kept me even further away.
This whole understanding of what this deviant psychopath did, and continued to perpetuate in prison has caused many people to continually question how this could of happened; a little man, however charming, and masterful in his attempts to manipulate was able to bring out murderous rage in individuals. The idea he was eventually allowed to marry angers me.
I have gone through many emotions questioning if these convicted killers could ever be rehabilitated. And, if so, does this allow them to go free. This debate has been talked about in many circles I know. And, there’s those who feel two or, at least one should of been. I wanted to truly believe Van Houten was among them. I literally as of a week ago, was all for letting her out, and there were several reasonings behind this.
As of today, I want her back in prison, doing whatever she can to help other prisoners, yet serve her life sentence.
I have been waiting so long to hear this.
very interesting , thanks to both of you . if dianne has any pics from her time with the family , it would be great to see them .
So what was the story of the parents after the crimes were exposed? Did the parents ever express remorse?
Definitely listened through the end. A lot of wisdom can be gained by listening to the witnesses of those times and events. Lessons learned can prevent history from repeating itself.
I want squeaky's book reflection that's we're the truth is
That's a beautiful book! I love Reflexion!
Nice interview! I can't help but wonder how much speed influenced the events. We know Tex gave them speed before they went into the houses.
Dianne, I'm sorry you had such abusive, negligent parents that taught you that your body was not valuable and it was cool to give your body and self to some worthless pieces of crap men and women just so your parents could be cool, free parents. Did your parents ever apologize to you for what they allowed and encouraged to happen to you? Did your parents ever grow up themselves? I have not read your book but I have not heard you discuss in any of your interviews that young girls should have respect for themselves and there bodies and maybe shouldn't be trying to grow up so fast thinking that having sex at young ages with POS is the answer to their feelings of worthlessness. I'm sorry you were sexually and emotionally abused as a very young child by your parents friends and Charlie and yes, it is a miracle that you came out the other side as well as you have. It is a shame that you had to hide this most of your adult life and even hide it from your children as well as the children you taught and their parents. That must have been difficult having to live a lie about who you were and are. If I were a parent, I would want to know my children were being taught by a Manson girl. How did you live with this conflict or was it a conflict for you at all? You speak of your story as a cautionary tale but you do not discuss what really got you there in the first place, the sexual abuse, the giving up of your own self control to men and women just to fit in somewhere and be controlled by them. That is what every teacher should be explaining to their students....their own self worth, don't give yourself away as a teenager because there are lifelong consequences. I also know there were issues with STDs with the Manson family members. I have not heard you discuss this. Maybe it's time for you to write another book "Consequences of knowing Charlie: The life I had to hide". That would be a good cautionary tale. Best wishes, you have done well with the cards you were dealt. Wishing you continued peace in your life.
Thank you for your courage they should of. Never let Leslie out
That punctuation…should have never let you out of school
God be with you both!! 🙏 Im not sure if you can communicate a question to Diane for me, but ill try. Has Diane read Tom O'Neil's book Chaos? If she has...does she agree with what he found in his research?
Chaos is a pretty good book and even though I agree that most Manson's Family members (including Dianne) were brainwashed (MKUltra or not), it gets much much deeper than that. It's so insanely obvious and there are so many proofs that the Sharon Tate murder never happened, just like there are many holes in the Labiancas murder case, which happened, but i'm also sure the Manson's weren't the ones that killed them. Anyways, "Chaos" is right because the biggest criminals of the case is CIA.
@@akdakda I am about half way through Chaos. I'm 52 and wrote a term paper waaayyy back in HS about Helter Skelter. The vision Bugliosi gave us is very different than the one Tom O'Neil gives us. In my world, the truth lies somewhere in between. But I do wholly agree the CIA was very aware of Manson and his crew.
Hi Deborah and Dianne, it’s so refreshing to hear of those who were there at Spahn’s as I was during late ‘68-‘69. Did you remember Joe, Jack, Barbara Sue and those that lived in a school bus and old milk truck back by the Outlaw Shacks?
What people not born yet, or even around in the 60s-70s, don’t understand, is that teens WERE NOT considered CHILDREN. As a matter of fact, teens were referred to as YOUNG ADULTS.
Those out there that find this shocking, need to remember KIDS were being drafted and sent to war right out of HS. Viet Nam was raging. Teens WERE expected to be mature beyond what’s expected today. The drinking age in most States was 18-19.
So teens were growing up a hell of a lot faster than today. And teens WANTED to grow up and get on their own. All influenced heavily by the independence of changing expectations for women, equal rights for women and minorities, women joining the workforce and birth control pills being a freeing thing.
So people of THIS generation can’t conceive of the times and the way things were.
Yes it WAS absolutely shocking parents allowed their 13yr old to just “be an adult”, but it wasn’t shocking AT ALL to see 16yr olds and up literally leaving home to be independent. Especially in CA. It was much more conservative in the Midwest and East.
Her parents were relatively young hippies. Lol my parents were WW2 era and were very strict. Very typical midwestern conservative values.
Point is the options were much more open for teens. Finding communes literally SAVED many a runaway and abused kid from a worse fate on the streets. That said if you found yourself in a cult like The Children of God, or Manson Family not good at all.
Also think of this. There’s way more drug use and deaths NOW, than in the 60s-70s. The only new drug is Fentanyl. Opiates were EASILY accessible in those days. Funny but teens and young adults were actually more responsible about drugs and stayed AWAY from hardcore addictive drugs back then. And the statistics PROVE that. In my opinion it’s exactly the expectations of teens to be “young adults” made all the difference in the majority CHOOSING not to fall into that trap.
At 61, and studying societal norms, reflecting on where we were then and are now, there’s a reason we have the societal issues we now have.
It’s so interesting to really sit and think on all this.
The Manson crimes and the ripple effects of them really open the door to so many questions.
Diane describes the experience she had so well. I’ve definitely got to read her book.
I know me too! ❤. But the era of free love and freedom I aspired to with both feet! Drugs? Nothing illegal but? While working as a Nurse I injured my back horribly. The doctor gave me Demerol for severe pain. As soon as it took effect I genuinely believed that I had found the way EVERYONE should live! This was only the beginning of the most difficult year of my life! The Lord is gracious and showed me that I was addicted! ❤ Today? I’m an Addiction Therapist and Counseling people from all walks of life! ❤❤
Hey, Man! It's groovy to hang with Dianne😊
Independent please vs defiant. Dianne you are a incredible resilient person. You are inspiring😘
Im so glad you let her talk some . When doing a interview. Let them finish the question you asked before you ask another. If you have another question related to the question you asked. Let her finish her statement then ask.
We are getting better at it. As Dianne said we often finish each other's sentences. We will do another one and will see if we can get it spot on.
@@Authordeborahherman That's a good point that stargazer makes.
But you know, I have noticed this going back to the 1980s, all over the world. Interviewers just don't let their subjects answer the questions they are asked. I live in London and on both radio and TV, it has been endemic.
Let the subject speak. I'm sure interviewers will find some great off the cuff follow-up questions, if they do.
I think a good interviewer realizes that the interview is not about them, and keeps out of the way.
I can understand why she wouldn't want to announce to the world her viewpoints on the release of Van Houten.
But, why not Krenwenkel?
And, Diane is so so lucky to be the one Charlie didn't ask.
I sharpen enjoying listening to her audiobook. Great writer.
Deborah thank you so much for doing these videos. I know you both probably have busy lives like the rest of us but I wish you could ask Diane to do some more interviews whenever you both have some free time. I’m enthralled by her book and her stories and life experiences. Thank the good lord that she made it through that awful situation with Manson and found love and happiness in her life. She sure deserves it. She is still beautiful and I know she was the youngest of the group but she definitely aged well, like a fine wine. 🍷 But I have a few questions for Diane that I’d love to hear her response. I’d love to know if she truly believed in Bugiolsi’s Helter Skelter motive ? My personal opinion is that it was the “Love of Brother” motive to get Bobby out of jail. And the writings on the walls in blood were put there to frame the Black Panthers after the Bernard Crowe incident. Especially the Political Piggy 🐾 with the paw print at the Hinman house. It seems to me that the Crowe shooting was the catalyst for everything that followed. Before that it seemed like everything was Peace and Love at the ranch but after that is when guns and knives started showing up there. I feel that after that incident paranoia set in at the ranch with Charlie thinking that he killed a Black Panther. I think Charlie really didn’t believe in Helter Skelter himself but that was the only way for Buglosi to get Manson convicted with a conspiracy charge. Idk ? Don’t get me wrong, he deserved to be in prison but it was just the way Buglosi went about it. That’s just my opinion but I’d love to hear what Diane says about that. Thanks again Deborah.
We plan on doing more videos and will address that issue. The book shows that Manson was descending into a type of madness that reached a crescendo. I know from working with Dianne that it wasn't one thing. It was a combination of everything, which is how cults typically end up in tragedy. And when a sociopath/psychopath feels painted into a corner, they become desperate. It was peace and love at the ranch until it wasn't. From early on, Manson talked about a race war and borrowed some of his belief systems from the Fountain of the World cult down the road from Spahn Ranch. Krishna Venta also said there would be a race war. He was killed by a disgruntled follower before Manson arrived. Dianne believes Manson was delusional and observed him with the White Album. It is not uncommon for people with manic delusions to think everything is related and can believe that there are hidden messages meant for them. This was not one thing which is why it is studied even today. You may enjoy the book "Inside the Manson Jury", an expanded manuscript by jury foreman Herman Tubick written in 1973 but never published. It has excerpts from the trial transcript of what happened in chambers and how Manson tried to undermine the legal system. It is also illustrated. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
Thank you Deb and I definitely will be looking out for more interviews with you and Diane in the future. And funny you should mention “Inside the Manson Jury” because I just bought it recently but only read the first few chapters but it gives great insight into the case from the jury’s perspective which was never really explored before. And please let Diane know that she has many people pulling for her and are in her corner after all she’s been through. I’m so glad she made it through that terrible experience but God is good. And please let me know if you plan on doing any more conferences or events in the NY area. I saw on Ken Main’s RUclips channel that he had a conference with you and Diane in NY in 2019 and I would love to go if you happen to have another in the NY area. I live in North Jersey and am 15 minutes from Manhattan. Thanks again.
Let’s not forget, “Messianic Complex”! Saw an interview with him where he actually admitted that he enjoyed his last name!! He said that “Manson”allowed him to speak as he was supposed to. Because he was after all “ the son of man!” I understand that he was a very skilled manipulator at the beginning of his sentence, but as time went on? The Parole Hearings revealed a man who was losing his grip with reality! 😢❤❤
I watch Ken Mains all the time. I listened till the end!
She's very nice, clear and level. I would think she was a college professor or some other kind of successful professional if we didn't know what she had been through.
It really was a horrible time in history wasn’t it?? I was a Hippie but fortunate to want to continue my education and become a Nurse, so I had no time for the drugs etc. But? I had the long hair & dressed like one anyhow! Peace was what all of us wanted! Vietnam was a nightmare waiting for us to wake up! So sad really ❤❤
I’d love to hear what Dianne thinks about MK ultra being linked to Manson.
You expect an honest answer from a person like this? From any of those left over Manson Cult people, still burning a candle for Charlie, and the best time in their worthless lives? Pathological liars, all of them, in prison and out. I agree with you about getting to the truth about ULTRA and CHAOS, but not from this dame, nor the sand bagging interviewer.
Good question
I'm sure she has a realistic opinion of it - It's complete bullshit made up to sell a book.
I’d be interested to know if Diane ever reconciled with her parents. Obviously, they had their own set of problems, not the least of which was their poor judgment and even poorer parenting skills. I’m thankful Diane received the help she needed to become a useful member of society.
I've a question for you and Dianne: Susan wasn't allowed to go out from prison, Leslie released. Could Dianne elaborate on her relationship with Susan and Leslie ? Had they so different personality? Thank you in advance. Adriano
Ken mains recommended you very highly. ❤
I have a friend who was a young adult hippie living in Topanga around the same time Dianne arrived there....my friend also met "groovy" Charlie and says she got the worst chills - hair standing up on the back of her neck vibes. She felt the evil.
Charlie was horrible How ab the ppl who did it😳He just told them to do it,It was up to them on what happened!All the blame has been put on Charlie &frankly I’m sick of hearing it,They were old enough to know right &Wrong.
Not only he used to drug them, but psychologically abuse them too, mostly. Of course it's not a 100% excuse for the murders in particular, but at some point they believed Manson was God, that they were on a mission. It's not as simple as Manson telling them to do these horrible things and them doing it. Also he knew who to choose, and to manipulate. There was a pattern if we look at the followers. They all needed someone to look up for them, to guide them, essentially that's what he was and meant to those people. He had the power. Being old enough when raised in particular conditions, can mean anything in terms of right and wrong, especially when someone is basically controlling your mind and thoughts
More more more!!!!
other members of the "family", including Bobby Beausoleil, say that the whole "Helter Skelter" theory is a "myth" and not the "real" reason for the murders. What is Diane's perspective on this?
It was more of a drug-addled, surreal concept that, without copious amounts of LSD and other mind-altering substances, such skewed ideas of a coming race war and a giant hole that the Family would dwell in until it was safe to emerge and be victorious are pure nonsense.
I bet Dianne's parents spent the rest of their lives regrating their 60s lifestyle. When they found out their daughter was caught up in the most notorious criminal case in US history. LOL Suddenly Leary's "Turn Off, Tune In and Drop Out!" wasn't as hot a philosophy as it appeared.
I can't imagine how hard this was on you
She should get released to emphathize what Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkle did was the worst (neither should get released let the Lord decide in the next life)!!!!!
Are signed copies of Dianne's book available?
why did Manson send out Linda Kasabian on the night of the murders if he says he barely knew her and was probably smart enough to see through people???
She had a car and a license.
@@kelseymariel2127she had a license but she did not have a car
ASK DIANE WHO LIVED IN OUTLAW SHACKS IN BACK AT SPAHNS RANCH HE WAS GETTING REAL GOOD ACID AND SELLING IT TO CHARLEY AND MANSON FAMILY IN 67 68 AROUND THAT ERA.
You are sweet Diane ...
I saw a true crime story on Netflix where the detective is impersonated by an actor. In one of the episodes, a young man stabed to death a young woman and dumped her beside a dumpster. It happened in california in the nineties and he only got 4 (yes four) years of prison.
So for me it’s hard to understand how a remorsefull inmate that checks everything required to get paroled was denied by the governor that just has to claim that the inmate still represents a threat to the society without any proof or justification…
You might want to look into the history of this crime. Those murders changed the course of society in 1969.
The high profile nature of the murders due to one fairly famous actress and the viciousness (Tate was 9 months pregnant when she was murdered) is what delivered headlines and kept the family members who participated in prison for over 50 years. If not for these aspects of the crimes, these killers would have likely been released decades ago. And yes, kenernest is correct in noting how these murders changed our culture. With the rebellious youth of that time consuming chemicals of all kinds and the "free love" that was being embraced by the youth, I'm sure these slayings were a welcome example by authorities to showcase the outcome of such "evil" pursuits. (Their opinion, not mine, but served their purposes).
Obviously, the man who stabbed a woman to death should have gotten more than four years. As for Van Houten, she and her co-defendants were originally sentenced to death. I am not sure why her sentence was not changed to life without parole after the Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional.
@@stephendenney7349 That sentence did not exist in 1972, that's why.
Perhaps I misunderstand your point, but life imprisonment without parole did exist as a prison sentence in 1972. @@grimtraveller7923
Mrs Van Houten I’m happy she got out she was a kid when happed .
I'd love to hear from Dianne the biggest lesson she learned from it all with Charlie... I know that's a big question
She answers it well in the book. She does some real soul searching about that time in her life and why God spared her life when she could have been killed many times. You can get the book less expensively on audible and Ebook. Let us know what you think. Also we can do another video in a few weeks. Send questions to debsbookparadise@gmail.com We may do it live so people can ask questions as long as we can keep the trolls away.
@@Authordeborahherman Sounds like a fascinating idea for a video. I've ordered the book, used but it'll have a good home. Thanks for the reply, I'm so looking forward to reading it all... I'm sure I'll have plenty of thoughts on it. Since I got interested in the whole Manson case, not just the crimes but what happened before, I've thought Dianne was the most honest & open about it all. I've got a lot of respect for her.
I have to add a comment here after reading the book... in 3 days because I couldn't put it down.
I will honestly admit that the culture of the 60s, cults, and Manson's music is fascinating to me. But I'm also a very caring woman with a big heart. I was in tears for Dianne by the end of the book and it helped me to see just how skillfully Charlie could play someone vulnerable. I respect the hell out of Dianne, and I'm honored to read her story because she is just so honest. She's definitely an inspiration that I can make it though my mental illness & past addiction after knowing what she went through and came out the other side. ❤
People really need to go read a lot more about the topic of this "manson family" stuff because this helter skelter/cult stuff is total b.s. open your mind to it, its actually very fascinating.
Regarding “Helter Skelter” does anyone remember how the Beatles were actually blamed for sending the MESSAGE to the Earth and then they were the reason these horrible things happened?? NUTZ OR WHAT?? ❤❤
Manson was obsessed with the Beatles White album and read messages in the songs, particularly one called Helter Skelter. He told his followers that there was going to be a race war, blacks against whites and that the black man would win, causing him and his hippy adherents to find a giant hole, into which they would hide until it was safe to return to the surface. Manson called this Helter Skelter.
You want to meet someone groovy!!: Greg Brady, c'mom now....
How is the movie Rosemarys Baby related to the murders?
Are you serious? The pregnant lady murdered was the directors wife
The story wont end because it was horrifically incredible. 100 plus stab knives. Diane lake wasnt involved. She was, by my opinion, just a pot smoker. Ready 2 hear Dianne s story 😀 btw i was only 9yo when this happened.
I hope Van Houten is dogged by insurmountable hardship and difficulty as she reckons with her freedom. I do not think she should ever have been released. I worry she will repeat past behaviors.
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I also feel sorry for donald shorty shea who they killed.
Dianne is using Leslie's release as another way to sell more books.
Nope 👎
She has been approached by many media outlets to be interviewed and chose not to. She is only on these videos because it's with the woman she wrote the book with and is now friends with.
I doubt it but if she is, is there any reason she shouldn't?
@@carolblair5514 No reason at all. I hope Dianne and Debbie sell tons more books because so many people that have opinions are so misinformed.
"Dianne is using Leslie's release as another way to sell more books"
I don't believe that.
But even if it were true, so what ? A book is a commodity that is for sale. It would be illogical not to want people to buy it. And the thing with books is that they are very easy to forget about. So if an event comes along that might get people interested in your book, then that's a good thing.
I read the book when it first came out in 2017. It's a good book and a useful reference. I have no problem at all with someone who lived through a particular event of interest, satisfying the demand that may arise when that event is back in the public consciousness.
I imagine there is a conflict in your opinion on Van Houten getting out. You didn't get convicted because you testified against them. That's the way law is. But did you testify because they were going to prosecute you for accessory after the fact because you were too brainwashed and fearful to come forward earlier? Very glad the deprogramming worked for you and you were able to come forward and testify against them. Maybe the conflict is If you come out and say she shouldn't be released you could have easily been in her position, life in prison or death and you are just thanking your lucking stars you escaped that fate. This is the stuff people would like to hear about now because the glamorization of hippie cultdom is over. And I hope Van Houten is reformed because she may not be too happy about her conviction. If I were you, I would be clear across the country from where ever she is and have a great security system.
Guess you think it's as if it happened yesterday . Let the lady out , sounds like the State had a personal grudge against her , when California's name should be the Freak Show State F. them .
This lady didn't participate in any of the murders, there were several members of the cult that weren't charged with any crimes, if anything this lady was a victim too, she was just a minor
@@williamsherman1089 But she wasn't prosecuted because she testified against the others who were just as mixed up as her, and she could have easily been one of them. It was just luck she wasn't, not that she was some brilliant citizen.
@@SOS-ct9mvhow hard is it to understand that she wasn't prosecuted because she wasn't there and was not in any way a part of a conspiracy.
@@williamsherman1089 Yes she did. In fact, she asked Manson if she could participate in the La Bianca murders and was excited to be a part of it. She stabbed Leno La Bianca multiple times in the back until he was dead. Don't kid yourself. She was just as bad as the rest of them.
she says how she could not believe how these people whom she loved could do these murders . She heard and was listening to all the details but she never just thought I have to leave these people ..She was right in with them doing drugs and living there doing what they did...
She was stuck with them in death valley when she learned what they had done with Manson telling her he would skin her alive. What would you have done?
@@AuthordeborahhermanAre you serious?? 😢😮
@@vivinamorrison1186 He said that to her. He also had them looking for two girls who had escaped and they were told to kill them. Fortunately, they were not found and they got away. This was a very dangerous situation. During research for the book my husband and I went with Dianne to Barker Ranch. I have a lot of footage that I may put into a video with her. The place was so remote that it freaked me out just going there. We got lost for a while but eventually, Dianne recognized some landmarks. There was still metal in front of a cave that we believe was a hidden lookout. Manson did not want his group to be found.
Who cares. Really ?? It was 53 years ago. She's an old lady. If she wasn't part of the " Manson family* she would have been released long ago anyway.. yes it was brutal but God forgives so should we. Life goes on.
Okay it's not rocket science Leslie should have been out of prison after 7 years and I believe she was rehabilitated a couple of months after the LSD wore off
Really? More than a year after her arrest, she told her lawyer, her lawyer asked her, how hard it was to stab Rosemary. She had to use lot of force to get the knife in. When asked how she feels about the murders of Rosemary and the others now, she replied "I can't feel sorry because I did it with the intention of it being right." Do you feel sorry for the people who are dead? To be honest? No! He asked if she could go back to that night, would she do it again? She said yes. Does this sound rehabilitated?
Okay maybe it was a little longer before the LSD wore off
@@journeyintothebibleIf it were anyone else they would have been out YEARS ago
When you commit a crime, there are consequences. Prison isn’t ONLY about rehabilitation. It’s about punishment.
Well, come on what's the limit of punishment maybe you could journey in your Bible and find some forgiveness
Now, as i understand it, the key murderers in this murderous cult sat around after their murdering on 8.8.69 and 9.8.69 ( we'll leave aside all the other murders for a moment) and laughed and joked about the horror and the terror of their victims. But the other members of the cult knew nothing about it. They were around the murderers for months afterwards, even going to Death Valley, but this woman and her buddies knew nothing about the murders. This went on until months later when the cops were onto the cult, and she and others THEN ran off, calling for their families. But of course they knew nothing about the killings, and never charged with anything. I see. Right. Of course. And 54 years later she's a victim and a survivor and deserving of sympathy. Not from me, darling.
Question to readers: if you were part of a group, and your friends slaughtered a whole bunch of innocent people, what would you do? Stay? Hang around until the cops arrived, months later?
Hey Dianne, you can fool the average Joe and Jessy, but not those of us who really know this case well. And you cannot, should not, must not, and will not avoid the full judgement of history -- you and rest of the inner gang of Mansonites who enjoyed the ride and only jumped off at the end to the save your worthless skins.
Dianne, what do you know about Manson catch and release by the authorities again and again and again while on parole; about where he was getting his money for guns, drugs and the rest; about Manson's links; about CHAOS, MKULTRA, about his claim late in life ( on tape) that he did a deal with 'The Man' ( Establishment) to keep his mouth shut about what really went on back then, for protection in prison? Just for starters. We'd all love to know.
The evidence showed she didn't actually kill anyone anyway. Her attack on Rosemary ref.the 14 stab wounds from her to the lower back were in fact post mortem. Granted , she didn't know Rosemary was already dead from wounds inflicted by tex. The fact still remains her stab wounds from Leslie we're not fatal. But since she was involved. I agree on her conviction but it's time to move on!!
That has never been proven. Rosemary may have still been alive.
I agree. It's purely speculation based on her testimony. But the coroner's report did state the lower back stab wounds "appeared" to be post mortem. Appears to be isn't proof. I guess it's all speculation really. Either way she was there and complicit in my book
Even if that were true, Van Houten didn't know he was dead. (It was Leno, btw) As far as she was concerned, she killed him and got a real charge out of it. Don't make this woman out to be something she isn't to fit your skewed perception of the story. You just shouldn't let any of these people out of prison. After all, they were sentenced to death until the death penalty was briefly halted in 1972 due to the belief that it was cruel and unusual punishment and those on death row were commuted to life in prison. What *was* cruel and unusual was the slaughtering of seven innocent people and an unborn child.
Do your research .. she wasn't at the Tate murders. How ever . Like I said ,I still believe she's just as guilty. That's what complicity means. Linda Kasabian should have went to jail too. Instead of being given immunity to be a witness right. She actually was at the Tate house
@dradden1556 : "The evidence showed she didn't actually kill anyone anyway. Her attack on Rosemary ref.the 14 stab wounds from her to the lower back were in fact post mortem. Granted , she didn't know Rosemary was already dead from wounds inflicted by tex"
This is actually untrue ~ the evidence shows the opposite, that Rosemary LaBianca was alive before LVH began to stab her. It's a simple mathematical equation. Leslie says she stabbed 14-16 times, right ? But only _some_ of the 14 wounds to the back and below were post-mortem. That means less than 14. Which shows that she was alive. She may have been on the way out - but she wasn't gone yet. That's scientific evidence that can't be refuted.
Leslie herself also admitted she could have inflicted some wounds up by the neck and on the back, where the overwhelming majority of the wounds were.
The truth is that it can never be known which wounds were inflicted by whom. It's not as though anyone was logging them.
Again you all need to stop blaming Charlie Manson, start taking yr own actions for what you women did. Most were all troubled before you met him.
He was an adult and this woman was a minor at the time. He was providing drugs and brainwashing them. It was a cult, that's how cults work. Those in the cult who committed the murders did not get off by blaming Manson, they went to prison just like he did. Cults are a real thing.
Yes. This women stayed in the cult and only went running when the cops were on to them. Are we meant to believe that she was with the murderers for months after the murders and yet knew nothing about their crimes? Come on. Does she think we are stupid?
@@davidhailstone7794 It sounds like after hearing them gleefully recount their murders and the changes in everyone's behavior she became afraid for her life. She was a 14 year old.
It’s hard to believe that he had control of their minds, but he did, that’s part of the power of the cult leader
@@janetclaireSays she was 16/17, and was doing drugs, having sex, and in a cult that she knew committed drug crimes and burglaries into people's houses that also murdered people whom the cult leader didn't like. Let's not over-play her innocence. These Manson women who were never charged are all the same: like Sgt Shultz they all knew 'nothing...nothing' and I'm calling it out as baloney.
What a useless interview, with a potentially fascinating person. Herman should let her guest speak, and stop interrupting and grandstanding.
I don't know what you mean by grandstanding. This was a conversation with Dianne because we wrote her book together and we are friends because of it. We did a second interview where Dianne shares more details. You don't need to be so rude on the internet where you are anonymous.
But like you know whats everyone has an opinion.
You do realize Deborah co-wrote Dianne’s book. This is more of a conversation than an interview… as it should be.
RIP Charles Manson
You are missed
You are sick
OMG...it scares the hell out of me that people like you are walking around free in society...!!
A paedophile missed ??? A creep, child abused ??? Missed ?
@@FrankiesFancy More than likely he's just a troll or bot. Just someone that has nothing else to do with his life and just want to get a rise out of people. Forget about him, he has no value.
😂😂😂
This was Charlie's favorite girl,
Actually, it was Squeaky but it doesn't really matter.. Squeaky was a male version of him and he liked that and she went to the ends of the earth for him.
@@Brooklynlife1000 male version?
@@Crookedcross322 In some ways she was. Her MO was half Manson, half Edith Bunker.
And how long has the Squeak been out ? Didn't she try to kill Reagan? They let her out because she blended in with the Freak Show State. She shit back on them and if they knew embarrassment they'd still be pissed at anything to do with the Manson episode. Fuck the all knowing , self righteous Freaks.
Charley was bisexual....he loved the boys more !
Do not buy it. Send her back. Many of us are and have experienced and or seen abuse in more ways than one and do N O T need or have Jail or hurt ANY one. Especially send some Ones, their life out of here. They did deliberate acts to send victims on another journey. It is not our job to ForGive, individuals have to present themselves to G_d thru Jesus. We are not there when the word is spoken for the direction of sheoul or heaven. Our job is to accept Jesus, be faithful and keep following the word. Good works don't hurt. These were deliberate acts. Put her back and other one to. If they smile beware. Keep away ...I have to pay schooling. Big deal they became educated. Talk about cold, they have iceburgs for blood. Reptilian. Bah
The voice of sanity. Thank you.
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Huh?
What does that have to do with any of this?
Everything
@@joeman7547 Do tell, then ! 😄 😁 😆
I hope Tex gets out. He won't be forgiven because he is a male, but they are all as mixed up as this woman. It was dumb luck that she wasn't there for the crimes, not that she was on some moral high ground. It's just how it worked out. She hasn't admitted to herself how nuts this all was. And the interviewer has to keep her honest.
To quote the late Doris Tate, who started a group Parents Of Murdered Children and attended every single parole hearing to make sure none of these murderers got out, "You can't let serial killers out of prison." Tex Watson, when he and the others broke into Sharon Tate's home, said "I am the devil and am here to do the devil's work. He enjoyed killing them and was quoted as describing the victims: "They were running around like chickens with their heads cut off." Now would *you* like to have this guy move next door to you and your children?
Manson should have thrown this 😤 thing in a lake
She sounds so much like me, except I never knew Manson, but could have. 🌼🌺🌸🌻🪻
I’m so thankful you didn’t.