'More than the older one' There was absolutely no, non consensual, anything in the original. Yes she needed a kiss but she never, ever tried to manipulate or force anything. Everything she did on land was just her having fun being a human and hanging with the guy she had a crush on.
Ursula isn’t Tritons sister in the original animated film, though she was in the first draft, and there are some left over clues which you can infer that she may still be. In the broadway stage version she calls herself “Auntie Ursula”, so that is probably where the movie got the idea. As for the original original Hans Christian Andersen version, she’s just the sea witch, and has much less of a prominent role if I remember correctly
Yeah, in the original version, she isn't inherently evil, rather has magic that causes one to suffer horrible consequences for I guess stakes and to reinforce the tragedy of the plot, since the mermaid doesn't magically lose her voice, her tongue gets cut out and every step on human legs felt like walking on broken glass. And of course the caveat of how she not only doesn't get the prince's love, she turns into sea foam and dies.
4:07 I love how Producer Guy says “I feel like you showed the wrong clips there.” It’s just like in the Blue Beetle pitch meeting where he’s aware there are clips being played over the meetings. 😅
It's pretty genius because, as someone who only listens to the audio of pitch meetings occasionally, I didn't miss the joke because he had producer guy call attention verbally to the visual gag.
Me a 90's kid from India, And I hated this live action version. And yes, I used to watch the animated series back in early 2000s when cable connection tv was still a thing with limited channels. The way they destroyed Sebastian and Ariel, it was so frustrating in this live action version
I actually found this one disrespectful. Because this was the start of the Disney renaissance so they went all out for it, from the animation, the music, the voice acting, etc. This just felt like “Hey we haven’t done this one yet.”
modern corporate thinks everything is an allegory, like in dr who the villian was made to have functional legs and more human as it "vilifies disabled ppl" no one in the audience thinks that. similar thing with the consent bs in the curse on Ariel ig
You mean Davros? Yeah, that was dumb. I mean, it made sense to have him walking when it was in an earlier point in his life, before the accidents, but to make it his permanent form? I argue it is more offensive to make him able-bodied, since despite being disabled, he was one of the Doctor's most formidable and dangerous enemies, thus the change implies that Davros couldn't be a threat if still chair-bound.
It's not that it wasn't okay for her to save herself. It's the FACT that this is a message that is constantly shoved down our dick holes at EVERY remake, reboot and re imagining. As Shiney said, message received stfu and stop changing classic stories to further the message regardless of how subtle one might "think" they are being. EDIT:P.S. American's love "Disney's" the little mermaid. Most Disney kids don't have a clue about the source material the animated film came from. We of the states need to recognize that our remaking of other cultures classics isn't what the world thinks of when one mentions a classic folk tale.
It also doesn't make as much sense. In the original, Aerial kills the eels, which causes Ursula to go after her in a rage. It was only because of that, that the prince was able to get an opening to stab her.
I can't speak for the Danes, but at least in Norway I don't think we ever touched The Little Mermaid in school and certainly I don't think any parents are reading it to their kids either these days. Everyone knows HC Andersen's name, and the house where he lived is a popular tourist destination for people from all over the Nordics, but I feel like there's ten other fairy tales of his that people are more likely to be familiar with than the original story of The Little Mermaid. But as I said, that's just my experience growing up in Norway. Maybe in Denmark they curse Walt Disney's name every night for overshadowing the original, sacred tale.
To jump on your point: I think it is acceptable to change details when making a new adaptation of an older story - after all, the OG Little Mermaid is depressing as shit. However, when it is a company's own catalogue, it's a sort of catch-22 in that if it is the same, it's pointless, and if it is too different in certain areas, it disrespects the first adaptation - thus, ultimately, the best idea would simply be to stop making cynical live-action remakes, but they won't do that because they still make money, and it is objectively less risky to recycle a hit than it is to try something new every time.
It doesn't matter if Ariel saves herself? It's just throws the whole plot down the drain! The prince saving Ariel is the whole plot resolution, The girl is insecure because she is a mermaid and the prince is a human, gets in trouble, turns human, gets tricked, turns into mermaid again, prince accepts her as mermaid and saves her either way, the father realizes that humans aren't all bad, it's all about acceptance, now is about what? It's fucking ruined... Hey Disney, why bother? Just close shop for real, keep the classics and stop wasting money.
It's also a full circle moment since Ariel saved Eric's life at the beginning, so she is in no way a passive protagonist, therefore making her kill Ursula was redundant for reasons you stated.
Yeah, Disney movies are not big in some parts of the world. Most people dont have acces to Disney channel.When I showed the live action trailer to my 10 year old niece, she just said " her hair isnt red". (like literal red, we dont understand what the west call red hair, since we all have black hair) So no, its not about the colour of Ariel. I think it only showed in a select few theatres in the capitol and that was it. Also, why call it a live action when you are going to animate half of it (all of it - Lion Kind) anyway? About the fact that Ariel stabbing Ursula, yes, we are frustrated of this repeated narrative where the girl has to do "everything" while also looking super good. They left all the character development out of Mulan live action as well. They did the same to Hermione. When you take out the character flaws and make them super humans and expect girls to relate, it defeats the purpose. You want to show that women can be bad asses yet be human, prone to human errors like every other human.
11:41 that is because we simply didn't grow up watching disney movies. We had our own movies, folk tales and stories that were huge part of our childhood. most of us watched disney movies way later in life so they were not that significant to us. I think this must be case in other asian countries as well. And may be that's why the remakes are not doing that well worldwide because we never had that emotional connection to them anyway.
Nah, the remakes just suck and are pointless. The wannabe writers totally miss the point of the (originals) of the 90's and why people loved them. What's the point of everything in the story if Ariel is a girl boss in the end? It removes the acceptance of the prince of her mermaid form. It removes the hero act of the prince to help the mermaid people. It removes the reason why the father accepts humans now. It removes the acceptance of Ariel as a mermaid. It removes the acceptance of the father for what Ariel wants. Also, not true, the original Mulan is great, the new one is crap, for the exact the same shit, they don't get it!
In film school and from very talented writers and filmmakers, even Disney writers, I was always told that expecting an audience to “suspend disbelief” means the writers and directors aren’t doing a good job. A viewer should not need to stop the film in their head, think about it and say “ I guess that’s ok.” Good storytellers make things make sense within the world they’ve created.
suspending disbelief is absolutely part of making fantasy, such as, say, the very existence of magic, but yeah, the key is what's the internal logic? If magic exists, then it's just part of the world, but that doesn't mean there aren't rules (assuming you wrote your magic well). Having a bird talk underwater, but then need to go up for air, doesn't make any sense even within the context of talking animals.
Yeah, the thing with Ariel saving herself is, on its own, there's nothing wrong with the scene, but it's a notable trend. That and it does rather change the plot within this particular show. The question really is more, why was it done. If it was a... oh, well, we found a plot hole and wanted to patch it... or, oh, we changed this earlier thing, so now this ending made more sense, it would be an artistic choice but, reasonable. When it's done to specifically exclude a character from having any credit for the plot resolution, regardless of what it does to the plot, because the narrative message is deemed more important than the story... it would be worrisome to leave such motivations unchallenged.
Ariel being black does affect it. Call me racist, I don't care, but I hate race swapping characters I see it as another form of racism. They hate it when characters are "white washed" but now it's fine the other way around. I'd go on board with this if they make Moana and Tiana white. Screw this messaging and I'm really glad Hollywood is burning 'cause "The Message" they are trying to shove down everybody's throat is ruining the Movie and TV industry that I love so much.
Well, your reaction means they succeeded in part of their plan. They don't a fuck about representation, rather they can pretend their cynical remake is somehow noble by swapping ethnicities, and at the same time create a smoke bomb that will aggravate certain people the most, and when those people are the loudest, it becomes easy to dismiss any and all criticism of the movie as "racist." (Just to clarify, I'm not assuming you're racist, rather noting that the racists would be the loudest and thus any similar criticism - even if well-intended - would be clumped in with them)
In the original fairytale the sea witch is not a villain, in fact there isn’t really a villain at all. It’s more of a tragedy than a romance too, our mermaid doesn’t get the prince and she dies and turns into sea foam.
So Americans are just cashing on stories of other cultures and changing it making it dirty?? Isn't it's worst kind of culture appropriation instead of non Blacks wearing braids??
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@@yasaamoin4882 it wasn't a 'fairytale of old'. It was an allegory written by H.G.Andersen and basically meant "if only I was a girl instead of a gay man".
The remake is horrible. Was long for no reason and the messages were horrible. Eric saving Ariel is like we said shows not all humans are bad. And the fact that Ariel saved him before it showed it can be equal. But nope remake lets screw the original story, make it none sense and make it about girl bosses.. yeah thats not why we liked the original.
The Reason For The Memory Lapse In The Spell Is Ariel Could Have Just Written Out Everything So Eric Would Know She's The One Who Saved Him And Get Him To Kiss Her This Was Pointed Out In HISHE So They Probably Wanted To Avoid That Plot Hole
I don’t know about other parts of the world but The Little Mermaid is actually important to a lot of people in Central and South America and let me tell you, many of them were NOT happy about Ariel.
You two are hitting the head of a nail that I don’t think you realized: feminists for decades have been saying this a misogynistic movie all related to the kids … consent and whatnot🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ when in the original it was Ariel who was totally in the manipulation drivers seat trying to get him to kiss her… talk about consent issues. Oh that’s what it was. They claimed Eric went in for the kiss without her consent. He should have asked first. But honestly if a woman is leaning in to receive said kiss….. THAT is consent.
Yeah I feel if your looking at a guy like she's looking at Eric and lean in closing your eyes and pursing your lips your giving consent. In fact a girl acting like is more likely to be frustrated if the guy doesn't respond. Rather like she was when he pulled back the first time. But no because she doesn't say it then somehow he was kissing her against her will.
2:15 Jacob Tremblay is a perfect voice for Flounder. Just looking at Flounder is the bad thing. Also, I still have The Jungle Book, Cinderella & Aladdin as my top 3 remakes
😳 I'm taken 😂 Tbh I don't really care *that* much about that specific scene, but it's just the sheer quantity of these subtle "messages" in every recent movie that is overwhelming, to the point that they put so much effort in changing every little detail of the original story to conform to standards that shouldn't matter, while also not put enough effort in keeping the magic that made it good to begin with. I liked a lot of things about this movie, but that all of them were also present in the original cartoon movie, but all the things I disliked were changes made for the remake. Maybe it's just nostalgia 😢
exactly.. and Im tired of when we called this out, most people start calling us racist/misogyny for no reason.. we just want the originality to the nostalgia. and yes, its been in movies/shows a lot these past few years, I mean enough is enough lol.. we just want to watch something with good story while respecting the original, not retcon to their selfinsert irl political stans.. and btw, I respect you for being real.. we need more people like you, not yes man.
But wait if she forgets about the kiss does that mean she also forgets about the 3 day time limit,and if she remembers the limit does that mean she thinks she just gets 3 days as a human,because selling you’re voice for a 3 day weekend trip to the human world doesn’t really seem worth it to me
I’m confused, I thought scuddle was a boy? But voiced by a girl? And we still call the aquafina version a male bird? Yes, I know, Bart Simpson, but still, these are confusing times
I can tell you why i didnt watch it (or any of these remakes), its because i've seen the original and i have no reason to rewatch it remade just because Disney like money. Also they cant make these types of movies better by turning then into a "live action" in fact they somehow change many aspects if not many turning the movie something else entirely! I dont care if the main protagonist is black, asian, white or alien!!! just make new good original movie ffs! lol
Don't ever apologize for criticizing something jaby... we all have a right to criticize stuff if it isn't quality stuff... these sensitive crybabies who call you out should mind their own business and worry about their own opinion instead of everyone else's
This thing with the animals has been a thing with Disney for forever. For example, Goofy is a dog who has a pet dog named Pluto. He walms him around on a leash. This is weird on its own. Now, if you anthropomorphize the two and make them human, you can see the obvious kink.
Honestly the problem with Lin isn't that his music is bad. Hamilton and Encanto demonstrate that he can write amazing soundtracks. The problem is that his style just doesn't really feel right next to the rest of the movie's songs. He's not bad, just out of place
I really do not know why they couldn't do an original story even if they did it about mermaids & had it be an unofficial sequel to the animated one. I realize there is animated sequels but I'm just saying. I really like the cast but It just seems lazy to retell the story when Halle could've had her own character with a story. Set it in the same world fine but do something original with it. Heck there are fairy tales Dis hasn't done (every time I type D's company name youtube blocks or deletes my comments so yeah) some from different cultures that might not be well known to everyone if you can't get an original idea. And there are plenty of very talented song writers and Broadway type musical writers. I was never upset about the casting of the characters, I am however aggravated they couldn't come up with a new character. I'm all ready to have a live action new black "princess" or some other role model for kids to look up to but can we get their own story. I grew up with Rodgers & Hammerstein's Cinderella television movie on abc that had Brandy and a complete mixed cast we even got an Asian-American Prince but back then was before the character had been done to 💀and it didn't seem like a cheap cash grab by the mouse mafia . I would've loved something with that energy but with a new story.
I will be honest I disagree, the only live action that I personally loved was Beauty and The Beast, I like the other ones (except lion king, very disrespectful imo). I will say I enjoyed live action little mermaid more than I thought I would
Obviously woke women would not have any problem showing a girl powerful even if it had negetive impact on the story. Well who cares the movie was shitty
The central problem of the LA remakes is that they completely miss the point of the originals. So like, whenever do a Cinderella run now, they make her this total girl boss... EXCEPT, the core point of the story OF Cinderella is that you don't need to be all that pro-active, you can just be a good person, and take your shot when the opportunity arises and good things will happen. Go over to Mulan, and they make her a Chosen One who is "beloved by the chi" (God I hated that shit) and is just already awesome at everyting all the time. In the OG, she had to work and train, we got to see her earn respect, and to be fighting from the backfoot. It feels like they just don't get that there's a REASON these stories were remembered so fondly.
3:00 Uhh I'm sorry, no. You are not a curmudgeon or wrong in any way for questioning Disney's terrible writing. She makes the point for me, "That's Disney movies though" Can you point to any other Disney movie where something that breathes oxygen not only is fine underwater, but can talk as well? No matter how she tries to frame it, that's completely inaccurate and delusional Liberal rationalization.
I worked at a place that was like 90% women. And it was a fancy high-end department store. So, the women there, old and young, were very girly and really into fashion. And whenever there was a heavy box or something that needed to be moved, the women there were more than happy to let a guy carry it for them, even if it wasn't technically our job. And we felt good doing it. There was only one lady there, out of dozens and dozens, who was like "no, I carry my own shit". But largely, as far as I can tell, I don't think women have a problem relying on men like that. They've been told they're weak all their lives, and they believe it, so they don't even try and just don't have that need to prove that they're strong like men do. It's part of our identity as men to be able carry heavy things and be relied on like that. A woman is not going to feel like she's not a woman if she can't carry something. When we feel bad for women for being weak, we're probably projecting how we would feel if we were weak. In fact, women probably think we're idiots for risking an injury because we have this need to prove ourselves, and also because they got us to do something. So, I think the problem with the "damsel in distress" trope isn't that we're portraying women as someone who need saving. It's that we portray them as dumb and useless with 0 survival instincts, and ourselves as brave and capable, while a woman being saved is probably thinking "I am so beautiful and persuasive that I got this fool to risk his life for me". In her head, she's the smart one, and she's probably right.
While I have nothing against black people, I really enjoyed Black Panther, and several of the favorite actors, are black, I am not a fan of race-swapping, period. If a character is white, then that is what they are. Don't change them to black, or asian, or middle eastern. Keep them white. If you want more black, asian, or middle eastern characters in media, make a new story with those characters. I'll watch it if it's good.
@@ChrisTheAspergerGuy Would you buy an Apple product if the apple logo wasn't the same? A lot of people don't care about character in terms of who they are as a person, people care about how accurate that character looks to the image they associate the character with. It's not about race, It's about nostalgia and brand recognition. The most recognizable trait of Ariel to most kids that grew up with the cartoon is her very red hair that contrasts with her white skin.
@@ChrisTheAspergerGuy it's a valid argument if you know how marketing works, especially if your target audience is those same grown-up kids who fell in love with the original cartoon who'd like to bring their own kids. This movie is nothing but a nostalgia trip (otherwise it'd be an original story), except it didn't work because people didn't recognize the same iconic character from their childhood and weren't motivated to watch it.
@@bloodymares Dude, I'm one of those kids who grew up with the original. Most of us didn't give a shit about Ariel's race change. I mean we're talking about a fantasy character who's part of a species that doesn't exist in real life. No reasonable person is gonna care about that. The movie being a nostalgia cash grab is mainly why it underperformed, which still would've happened even if they casted a white actress. Granted, I liked the movie, but I get it.
The movie was idiotic. They made a bunch of changes that made no sense to the story or to the characters. The story didn't follow any logical chronological sense. Things just happened. Ursula and Triton were not siblings in '89. The creators talked about it but didnt follow thru because it added nothing to the story. It added nothing to the story in '23 just more idiotic plot holes. Electric eels are fresh water fish. Just like the ghost crab they modeled Sebastian after can't live under the sea. Flotsam and Jetsam were Moray eels not electric and the thought that electric eels could disintegrate the ruler of the sea in a moment is ridiculous. Triton needed to be alive during the battle to see that Eric wasn't a savage monster. He needed to see that he loved Ariel and was willing to sacrifice himself for her. In '89 it was Tritons prejudice that Ariel was battling against. In '23 they open the Fing movie with the sailors gleefully trying to murder a mermaid so that she doesn't use her siren song to lure them all to their deaths. The Queen, who grounds her little boy cause he's not a grown man, even rants about how they are at war with the sea. She is disgusted when Ariel is shown to be a mermaid. Everyone confirms that the sea and land don't belong together after Ursula is defeated. Absolutely nothing changes in the story to change anyones minds. Except one day they all just decide to forget all of their understandable fear and hatred. We have been actively killing each other, or blaming our deaths on one another. But now its a Tuesday so its fine.
With all the new style You tube Siskel and Eberts of today you shouldn't worry about offending someone because of your review of movies. Too bad if someone is offended. I'll tell you this version of the little mermaid is TERRIBLE !!!! The REAL little mermaid is white and has pretty red hair. The cartoon version will always be the legitimate show. You gotta leave well enough alone !! This Texas boy of Mexican decent says the cartoon version IS the version !!!!
What is great about this is that I cannot wait for Disney to start race swapping African folklore. Which is totally going to happen. Not like they would only do it one sided. It is not like Disney is racist like that.
Haven't seen it. Don't really intend to... but it has nothing to do with the skin color. Couldn't really care less about that. I can understand the outrage, but i don't share it. It's more about the lyrical changes they made to poor unfortunate souls and kiss the girl... that, in my opinion, was blasphemy.
No, it should've been "true love's kiss", the kiss should've been genuinely desired by both parties. The creators openly stated that the memory thing was only done in regards to consent, it had nothing to do with the story or characters.
I mean I know that black has little to do with actual skin colour, But I really wouldn't have guessed. Well learned something new about the actress, though it seems completely irrelevant as far as the movie is concerned.
Little Mermaid was 89 and Aladdin was 92. It is just as popular it just the marketing wasn't good, it looked bad, and Disney is getting a lot of hate recently from both sides. I saw it with my nephews and it just wasn't as good as Aladdin or Beauty and The Beast AT ALL! In Acting or Production Value. Sure Her Singing was good but so was Jasmine's.
bruhh whats the point of movies , to see some larger than life characters to have that prince charming love which we would never get to see in real life. why call it movie at all when all u want is real life in it as well. just call it a documentary fuck it. you guys sayin it ..... whats wrong with it ...is everything thats wrong . cmon jaby dont just agree with anyone. we want the old you baack
I hate Awkwafina with a passion. She may just be the most annoying person alive. This movie did nothing to change my mind about that. Also, Lin-Manuel Miranda is awesome. Vivian is absolutely right to call him genius. Hamilton is one of the greatest works of art of the 21st century. It's so densely packed with allusion and wordplay that it's downright Shakespearian. And the songs are still very catchy, even with all that. I have no opinion on his Disney stuff because I'm not into Disney.
i respect jaby's opinion but i highly recommend him to check out hamilton. easily his best work. one of the best written things i have seen in general.
I think after Lion King we all got the, live action for speaking Animals ain´t it, so we don´t watch remakes in Theatre were it banks so hard, maybe on Disney+ I did watch if the Ariels acting/singing disappoints to but she did great, I hate when a Skript destroys an Actors career. I´m just too scared from Star Wars, poor Ani, young mainly. I do thing why the cast to black cause it does have the side taste of woke culture, the bad kind, but I wont watch because someone´s Skin tone she had a great voice, and all her VA in different languages. Mine (German) or French and Japanese was and always are pretty powerful
'More than the older one' There was absolutely no, non consensual, anything in the original. Yes she needed a kiss but she never, ever tried to manipulate or force anything. Everything she did on land was just her having fun being a human and hanging with the guy she had a crush on.
Yeah, not sure what that comment was about lol.
Ariel was a grapist
I think we need a new term. When you assume the past was worse then it really was. Wokewashing?
Ursula isn’t Tritons sister in the original animated film, though she was in the first draft, and there are some left over clues which you can infer that she may still be. In the broadway stage version she calls herself “Auntie Ursula”, so that is probably where the movie got the idea. As for the original original Hans Christian Andersen version, she’s just the sea witch, and has much less of a prominent role if I remember correctly
Yeah, in the original version, she isn't inherently evil, rather has magic that causes one to suffer horrible consequences for I guess stakes and to reinforce the tragedy of the plot, since the mermaid doesn't magically lose her voice, her tongue gets cut out and every step on human legs felt like walking on broken glass. And of course the caveat of how she not only doesn't get the prince's love, she turns into sea foam and dies.
4:07 I love how Producer Guy says “I feel like you showed the wrong clips there.” It’s just like in the Blue Beetle pitch meeting where he’s aware there are clips being played over the meetings. 😅
It's pretty genius because, as someone who only listens to the audio of pitch meetings occasionally, I didn't miss the joke because he had producer guy call attention verbally to the visual gag.
We're a few years away from Disney making animated remakes of their live-action remakes of their animated movies.
Me a 90's kid from India, And I hated this live action version. And yes, I used to watch the animated series back in early 2000s when cable connection tv was still a thing with limited channels. The way they destroyed Sebastian and Ariel, it was so frustrating in this live action version
I actually found this one disrespectful. Because this was the start of the Disney renaissance so they went all out for it, from the animation, the music, the voice acting, etc. This just felt like “Hey we haven’t done this one yet.”
For me, it was The Lion King 2019, with the killing blow being how they changed one of the best villain songs into a lame haiku.
modern corporate thinks everything is an allegory, like in dr who the villian was made to have functional legs and more human as it "vilifies disabled ppl" no one in the audience thinks that. similar thing with the consent bs in the curse on Ariel ig
You mean Davros? Yeah, that was dumb. I mean, it made sense to have him walking when it was in an earlier point in his life, before the accidents, but to make it his permanent form? I argue it is more offensive to make him able-bodied, since despite being disabled, he was one of the Doctor's most formidable and dangerous enemies, thus the change implies that Davros couldn't be a threat if still chair-bound.
4:38, In the 1989 movie it was Ariel who was trying to kiss Eric during Kiss the Girl
It's not that it wasn't okay for her to save herself. It's the FACT that this is a message that is constantly shoved down our dick holes at EVERY remake, reboot and re imagining. As Shiney said, message received stfu and stop changing classic stories to further the message regardless of how subtle one might "think" they are being.
EDIT:P.S. American's love "Disney's" the little mermaid. Most Disney kids don't have a clue about the source material the animated film came from. We of the states need to recognize that our remaking of other cultures classics isn't what the world thinks of when one mentions a classic folk tale.
It also doesn't make as much sense. In the original, Aerial kills the eels, which causes Ursula to go after her in a rage. It was only because of that, that the prince was able to get an opening to stab her.
I can't speak for the Danes, but at least in Norway I don't think we ever touched The Little Mermaid in school and certainly I don't think any parents are reading it to their kids either these days. Everyone knows HC Andersen's name, and the house where he lived is a popular tourist destination for people from all over the Nordics, but I feel like there's ten other fairy tales of his that people are more likely to be familiar with than the original story of The Little Mermaid.
But as I said, that's just my experience growing up in Norway. Maybe in Denmark they curse Walt Disney's name every night for overshadowing the original, sacred tale.
To jump on your point: I think it is acceptable to change details when making a new adaptation of an older story - after all, the OG Little Mermaid is depressing as shit. However, when it is a company's own catalogue, it's a sort of catch-22 in that if it is the same, it's pointless, and if it is too different in certain areas, it disrespects the first adaptation - thus, ultimately, the best idea would simply be to stop making cynical live-action remakes, but they won't do that because they still make money, and it is objectively less risky to recycle a hit than it is to try something new every time.
It doesn't matter if Ariel saves herself? It's just throws the whole plot down the drain!
The prince saving Ariel is the whole plot resolution, The girl is insecure because she is a mermaid and the prince is a human, gets in trouble, turns human, gets tricked, turns into mermaid again, prince accepts her as mermaid and saves her either way, the father realizes that humans aren't all bad, it's all about acceptance, now is about what? It's fucking ruined...
Hey Disney, why bother? Just close shop for real, keep the classics and stop wasting money.
It's also a full circle moment since Ariel saved Eric's life at the beginning, so she is in no way a passive protagonist, therefore making her kill Ursula was redundant for reasons you stated.
Yeah, Disney movies are not big in some parts of the world. Most people dont have acces to Disney channel.When I showed the live action trailer to my 10 year old niece, she just said " her hair isnt red". (like literal red, we dont understand what the west call red hair, since we all have black hair) So no, its not about the colour of Ariel. I think it only showed in a select few theatres in the capitol and that was it.
Also, why call it a live action when you are going to animate half of it (all of it - Lion Kind) anyway?
About the fact that Ariel stabbing Ursula, yes, we are frustrated of this repeated narrative where the girl has to do "everything" while also looking super good. They left all the character development out of Mulan live action as well. They did the same to Hermione. When you take out the character flaws and make them super humans and expect girls to relate, it defeats the purpose. You want to show that women can be bad asses yet be human, prone to human errors like every other human.
Like Sarah Conner and Ellen Ripley
11:41 that is because we simply didn't grow up watching disney movies. We had our own movies, folk tales and stories that were huge part of our childhood. most of us watched disney movies way later in life so they were not that significant to us. I think this must be case in other asian countries as well. And may be that's why the remakes are not doing that well worldwide because we never had that emotional connection to them anyway.
Nah, the remakes just suck and are pointless. The wannabe writers totally miss the point of the (originals) of the 90's and why people loved them.
What's the point of everything in the story if Ariel is a girl boss in the end?
It removes the acceptance of the prince of her mermaid form.
It removes the hero act of the prince to help the mermaid people.
It removes the reason why the father accepts humans now.
It removes the acceptance of Ariel as a mermaid.
It removes the acceptance of the father for what Ariel wants.
Also, not true, the original Mulan is great, the new one is crap, for the exact the same shit, they don't get it!
In film school and from very talented writers and filmmakers, even Disney writers, I was always told that expecting an audience to “suspend disbelief” means the writers and directors aren’t doing a good job. A viewer should not need to stop the film in their head, think about it and say “ I guess that’s ok.” Good storytellers make things make sense within the world they’ve created.
suspending disbelief is absolutely part of making fantasy, such as, say, the very existence of magic, but yeah, the key is what's the internal logic? If magic exists, then it's just part of the world, but that doesn't mean there aren't rules (assuming you wrote your magic well). Having a bird talk underwater, but then need to go up for air, doesn't make any sense even within the context of talking animals.
Yeah, the thing with Ariel saving herself is, on its own, there's nothing wrong with the scene, but it's a notable trend. That and it does rather change the plot within this particular show. The question really is more, why was it done. If it was a... oh, well, we found a plot hole and wanted to patch it... or, oh, we changed this earlier thing, so now this ending made more sense, it would be an artistic choice but, reasonable. When it's done to specifically exclude a character from having any credit for the plot resolution, regardless of what it does to the plot, because the narrative message is deemed more important than the story... it would be worrisome to leave such motivations unchallenged.
Ryan George hit the nail on the head, as usual
Ariel being black does affect it. Call me racist, I don't care, but I hate race swapping characters I see it as another form of racism. They hate it when characters are "white washed" but now it's fine the other way around. I'd go on board with this if they make Moana and Tiana white. Screw this messaging and I'm really glad Hollywood is burning 'cause "The Message" they are trying to shove down everybody's throat is ruining the Movie and TV industry that I love so much.
They're turning gingers into...rearranged "gingers"
Well, your reaction means they succeeded in part of their plan. They don't a fuck about representation, rather they can pretend their cynical remake is somehow noble by swapping ethnicities, and at the same time create a smoke bomb that will aggravate certain people the most, and when those people are the loudest, it becomes easy to dismiss any and all criticism of the movie as "racist." (Just to clarify, I'm not assuming you're racist, rather noting that the racists would be the loudest and thus any similar criticism - even if well-intended - would be clumped in with them)
In the original fairytale the sea witch is not a villain, in fact there isn’t really a villain at all. It’s more of a tragedy than a romance too, our mermaid doesn’t get the prince and she dies and turns into sea foam.
That is how the fairytales of old usually go. I'd like an adaptation of the really dark fairytales and not have them tweaked by Disney
So Americans are just cashing on stories of other cultures and changing it making it dirty??
Isn't it's worst kind of culture appropriation instead of non Blacks wearing braids??
@@yasaamoin4882 it wasn't a 'fairytale of old'. It was an allegory written by H.G.Andersen and basically meant "if only I was a girl instead of a gay man".
Penalty Box is what you were looking for, Jaby. :)
I think only live action disney remake I liked is jungle book.
Same
101 Dalmatians movies from the '90's were fun, I remember.
7:13 Jaby turned into tim allen for a second there
The remake is horrible. Was long for no reason and the messages were horrible. Eric saving Ariel is like we said shows not all humans are bad. And the fact that Ariel saved him before it showed it can be equal. But nope remake lets screw the original story, make it none sense and make it about girl bosses.. yeah thats not why we liked the original.
The Reason For The Memory Lapse In The Spell Is Ariel Could Have Just Written Out Everything So Eric Would Know She's The One Who Saved Him And Get Him To Kiss Her
This Was Pointed Out In HISHE So They Probably Wanted To Avoid That Plot Hole
I don’t know about other parts of the world but The Little Mermaid is actually important to a lot of people in Central and South America and let me tell you, many of them were NOT happy about Ariel.
Indeed
I understand not being happy about a lot of the movie... but Ariel? She was one of the best parts. Is it just cause she was black?
@@TheBloobsteryes
You two are hitting the head of a nail that I don’t think you realized: feminists for decades have been saying this a misogynistic movie all related to the kids … consent and whatnot🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ when in the original it was Ariel who was totally in the manipulation drivers seat trying to get him to kiss her… talk about consent issues. Oh that’s what it was. They claimed Eric went in for the kiss without her consent. He should have asked first. But honestly if a woman is leaning in to receive said kiss….. THAT is consent.
Well she's the main character and she's also really hot so it's ok.
Also she never manipulated him, they both fell in love.
Yeah I feel if your looking at a guy like she's looking at Eric and lean in closing your eyes and pursing your lips your giving consent. In fact a girl acting like is more likely to be frustrated if the guy doesn't respond. Rather like she was when he pulled back the first time. But no because she doesn't say it then somehow he was kissing her against her will.
Im loving all the new intro's.
2:15 Jacob Tremblay is a perfect voice for Flounder. Just looking at Flounder is the bad thing.
Also, I still have The Jungle Book, Cinderella & Aladdin as my top 3 remakes
Jabby your hair um is 2nd to none.
😳 I'm taken 😂
Tbh I don't really care *that* much about that specific scene, but it's just the sheer quantity of these subtle "messages" in every recent movie that is overwhelming, to the point that they put so much effort in changing every little detail of the original story to conform to standards that shouldn't matter, while also not put enough effort in keeping the magic that made it good to begin with. I liked a lot of things about this movie, but that all of them were also present in the original cartoon movie, but all the things I disliked were changes made for the remake. Maybe it's just nostalgia 😢
You caught his eye and I'm jealous......
exactly.. and Im tired of when we called this out, most people start calling us racist/misogyny for no reason.. we just want the originality to the nostalgia.
and yes, its been in movies/shows a lot these past few years, I mean enough is enough lol.. we just want to watch something with good story while respecting the original, not retcon to their selfinsert irl political stans.. and btw, I respect you for being real.. we need more people like you, not yes man.
But wait if she forgets about the kiss does that mean she also forgets about the 3 day time limit,and if she remembers the limit does that mean she thinks she just gets 3 days as a human,because selling you’re voice for a 3 day weekend trip to the human world doesn’t really seem worth it to me
The description of this video includes a cast of the movie but there’s Melissa McCarthy’s name twice.
Whoops 😅
I’m confused, I thought scuddle was a boy? But voiced by a girl? And we still call the aquafina version a male bird? Yes, I know, Bart Simpson, but still, these are confusing times
The new little mermaid was pretty trash. Not surprised it lost money.
And good thing it did. Snow White I must say might surpass that and I’m looking forward to see it blow up in their face
Love the new intro
"I thought aquafeena did good." "I thought she did great." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😆😆😆😝🤑
I can tell you why i didnt watch it (or any of these remakes), its because i've seen the original and i have no reason to rewatch it remade just because Disney like money.
Also they cant make these types of movies better by turning then into a "live action" in fact they somehow change many aspects if not many turning the movie something else entirely!
I dont care if the main protagonist is black, asian, white or alien!!! just make new good original movie ffs! lol
The funniest thought is having goophy walking Pluto
Don't ever apologize for criticizing something jaby... we all have a right to criticize stuff if it isn't quality stuff... these sensitive crybabies who call you out should mind their own business and worry about their own opinion instead of everyone else's
This thing with the animals has been a thing with Disney for forever. For example, Goofy is a dog who has a pet dog named Pluto. He walms him around on a leash. This is weird on its own. Now, if you anthropomorphize the two and make them human, you can see the obvious kink.
Honestly the problem with Lin isn't that his music is bad. Hamilton and Encanto demonstrate that he can write amazing soundtracks. The problem is that his style just doesn't really feel right next to the rest of the movie's songs. He's not bad, just out of place
I really do not know why they couldn't do an original story even if they did it about mermaids & had it be an unofficial sequel to the animated one. I realize there is animated sequels but I'm just saying. I really like the cast but It just seems lazy to retell the story when Halle could've had her own character with a story. Set it in the same world fine but do something original with it. Heck there are fairy tales Dis hasn't done (every time I type D's company name youtube blocks or deletes my comments so yeah) some from different cultures that might not be well known to everyone if you can't get an original idea. And there are plenty of very talented song writers and Broadway type musical writers. I was never upset about the casting of the characters, I am however aggravated they couldn't come up with a new character. I'm all ready to have a live action new black "princess" or some other role model for kids to look up to but can we get their own story. I grew up with Rodgers & Hammerstein's Cinderella television movie on abc that had Brandy and a complete mixed cast we even got an Asian-American Prince but back then was before the character had been done to 💀and it didn't seem like a cheap cash grab by the mouse mafia . I would've loved something with that energy but with a new story.
Funny how your Cinepals are two TVs 😂😂😂
I love the fact that this crappy remake lost over 150 million dollars.
It changes a lot, i did not like Garp introduced that early in One piece live action.
Wait… isn’t a weeding basically the same thing as an engagement party?
Also look at the time period would've worked just saying should've been put in modern times then I would've watched it
I will be honest I disagree, the only live action that I personally loved was Beauty and The Beast, I like the other ones (except lion king, very disrespectful imo). I will say I enjoyed live action little mermaid more than I thought I would
Obviously woke women would not have any problem showing a girl powerful even if it had negetive impact on the story. Well who cares the movie was shitty
The only Disney movie that I want to see remade in live action is Brother Bear
Kaiju are tight!
The central problem of the LA remakes is that they completely miss the point of the originals. So like, whenever do a Cinderella run now, they make her this total girl boss... EXCEPT, the core point of the story OF Cinderella is that you don't need to be all that pro-active, you can just be a good person, and take your shot when the opportunity arises and good things will happen.
Go over to Mulan, and they make her a Chosen One who is "beloved by the chi" (God I hated that shit) and is just already awesome at everyting all the time. In the OG, she had to work and train, we got to see her earn respect, and to be fighting from the backfoot.
It feels like they just don't get that there's a REASON these stories were remembered so fondly.
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Uhh I'm sorry, no. You are not a curmudgeon or wrong in any way for questioning Disney's terrible writing.
She makes the point for me, "That's Disney movies though"
Can you point to any other Disney movie where something that breathes oxygen not only is fine underwater, but can talk as well?
No matter how she tries to frame it, that's completely inaccurate and delusional Liberal rationalization.
Poor Flounder. I have fish so I thought he was cute lol.
The whole movie was a pure dumpster fire 🔥
I worked at a place that was like 90% women. And it was a fancy high-end department store. So, the women there, old and young, were very girly and really into fashion. And whenever there was a heavy box or something that needed to be moved, the women there were more than happy to let a guy carry it for them, even if it wasn't technically our job. And we felt good doing it. There was only one lady there, out of dozens and dozens, who was like "no, I carry my own shit". But largely, as far as I can tell, I don't think women have a problem relying on men like that. They've been told they're weak all their lives, and they believe it, so they don't even try and just don't have that need to prove that they're strong like men do. It's part of our identity as men to be able carry heavy things and be relied on like that. A woman is not going to feel like she's not a woman if she can't carry something. When we feel bad for women for being weak, we're probably projecting how we would feel if we were weak. In fact, women probably think we're idiots for risking an injury because we have this need to prove ourselves, and also because they got us to do something. So, I think the problem with the "damsel in distress" trope isn't that we're portraying women as someone who need saving. It's that we portray them as dumb and useless with 0 survival instincts, and ourselves as brave and capable, while a woman being saved is probably thinking "I am so beautiful and persuasive that I got this fool to risk his life for me". In her head, she's the smart one, and she's probably right.
Even Disney should know better than try to show a bird talking underwater
While I have nothing against black people, I really enjoyed Black Panther, and several of the favorite actors, are black, I am not a fan of race-swapping, period. If a character is white, then that is what they are. Don't change them to black, or asian, or middle eastern. Keep them white. If you want more black, asian, or middle eastern characters in media, make a new story with those characters. I'll watch it if it's good.
If race isn't essential to who a character is, then what the hell does it matter?
@@ChrisTheAspergerGuy Would you buy an Apple product if the apple logo wasn't the same? A lot of people don't care about character in terms of who they are as a person, people care about how accurate that character looks to the image they associate the character with. It's not about race, It's about nostalgia and brand recognition. The most recognizable trait of Ariel to most kids that grew up with the cartoon is her very red hair that contrasts with her white skin.
@@bloodymares Absolutely none of this is a good argument as to why it's so important for Ariel to remain white.
@@ChrisTheAspergerGuy it's a valid argument if you know how marketing works, especially if your target audience is those same grown-up kids who fell in love with the original cartoon who'd like to bring their own kids. This movie is nothing but a nostalgia trip (otherwise it'd be an original story), except it didn't work because people didn't recognize the same iconic character from their childhood and weren't motivated to watch it.
@@bloodymares Dude, I'm one of those kids who grew up with the original. Most of us didn't give a shit about Ariel's race change. I mean we're talking about a fantasy character who's part of a species that doesn't exist in real life. No reasonable person is gonna care about that. The movie being a nostalgia cash grab is mainly why it underperformed, which still would've happened even if they casted a white actress. Granted, I liked the movie, but I get it.
Like the new intro
Like the intro
In Latin America fail because the changes.
what have they done to my boi sebastian!
The movie was idiotic. They made a bunch of changes that made no sense to the story or to the characters.
The story didn't follow any logical chronological sense. Things just happened.
Ursula and Triton were not siblings in '89. The creators talked about it but didnt follow thru because it added nothing to the story. It added nothing to the story in '23 just more idiotic plot holes.
Electric eels are fresh water fish. Just like the ghost crab they modeled Sebastian after can't live under the sea.
Flotsam and Jetsam were Moray eels not electric and the thought that electric eels could disintegrate the ruler of the sea in a moment is ridiculous.
Triton needed to be alive during the battle to see that Eric wasn't a savage monster. He needed to see that he loved Ariel and was willing to sacrifice himself for her.
In '89 it was Tritons prejudice that Ariel was battling against. In '23 they open the Fing movie with the sailors gleefully trying to murder a mermaid so that she doesn't use her siren song to lure them all to their deaths.
The Queen, who grounds her little boy cause he's not a grown man, even rants about how they are at war with the sea. She is disgusted when Ariel is shown to be a mermaid.
Everyone confirms that the sea and land don't belong together after Ursula is defeated. Absolutely nothing changes in the story to change anyones minds. Except one day they all just decide to forget all of their understandable fear and hatred.
We have been actively killing each other, or blaming our deaths on one another. But now its a Tuesday so its fine.
if Disney makes a MLKjr documentary movie and swapped him with Tom Hanks i will call it even
Triton has no reason to accept Eric in this story rendition.
jaby is right
lil mermaid ain't really rated elsewhere
its still far above pocahontas
Penalty Box! It's never consensual.
Ice box? Guys that’s lame…I’m a hockey fan lol
With all the new style You tube Siskel and Eberts of today you shouldn't worry about offending someone because of your review of movies. Too bad if someone is offended. I'll tell you this version of the little mermaid is TERRIBLE !!!! The REAL little mermaid is white and has pretty red hair. The cartoon version will always be the legitimate show. You gotta leave well enough alone !! This Texas boy of Mexican decent says the cartoon version IS the version !!!!
If you want to have more than room temperature IQ I'd suggest you learn not to end every sentence you type with an exclamation point.
What is great about this is that I cannot wait for Disney to start race swapping African folklore. Which is totally going to happen. Not like they would only do it one sided. It is not like Disney is racist like that.
Haven't seen it. Don't really intend to... but it has nothing to do with the skin color. Couldn't really care less about that. I can understand the outrage, but i don't share it. It's more about the lyrical changes they made to poor unfortunate souls and kiss the girl... that, in my opinion, was blasphemy.
maybe more people will watch your reaction to the "re imagined" little mermaid than the actual movie, not me cos hell no but other people
This channel intro is much much better than cine desi....... please do something creative with cine desi intro .....
I think the part about her not remembering fixed the plot hole where Ariel could’ve just written what about the three days to kiss.
No, it should've been "true love's kiss", the kiss should've been genuinely desired by both parties. The creators openly stated that the memory thing was only done in regards to consent, it had nothing to do with the story or characters.
I mean I know that black has little to do with actual skin colour, But I really wouldn't have guessed. Well learned something new about the actress, though it seems completely irrelevant as far as the movie is concerned.
No no no no nooooo. Bring back the original intro song
NEW HISHE FLASH AND ZOOTOPIA! ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE NEXT TUESDAY!
Little Mermaid was 89 and Aladdin was 92. It is just as popular it just the marketing wasn't good, it looked bad, and Disney is getting a lot of hate recently from both sides. I saw it with my nephews and it just wasn't as good as Aladdin or Beauty and The Beast AT ALL! In Acting or Production Value. Sure Her Singing was good but so was Jasmine's.
Who's Lin Manuel Miranda?! 🤨
Extra points to you for going and getting a black female just for this one 🤣💯 Lady, goodbye forever ig lol
Ps: I hope u and the comment lady find each other and have lots of babies >//-//
While the race change is one thing im not a big fan of. I think theres a lot of things they changed that ruined the original messages a ton
Is Vivian Acharas replacement?
Please dont bring vivian back
Hilarious
I don't even know who that person is.
bruhh whats the point of movies , to see some larger than life characters to have that prince charming love which we would never get to see in real life. why call it movie at all when all u want is real life in it as well. just call it a documentary fuck it.
you guys sayin it ..... whats wrong with it ...is everything thats wrong . cmon jaby dont just agree with anyone. we want the old you baack
Nah. Beauty and the Beast was their best live remake. The others… /shrug
I hate Awkwafina with a passion. She may just be the most annoying person alive. This movie did nothing to change my mind about that.
Also, Lin-Manuel Miranda is awesome. Vivian is absolutely right to call him genius. Hamilton is one of the greatest works of art of the 21st century. It's so densely packed with allusion and wordplay that it's downright Shakespearian. And the songs are still very catchy, even with all that. I have no opinion on his Disney stuff because I'm not into Disney.
I think I care for Hamilton (the worst of the founding fathers) as much as you care about Awkwafina.
Your not that guy don't worry it's just die hard disney fans get weird with it
This movie suck
I for one like Lin Manuel! But, i didn't like this song.
i respect jaby's opinion but i highly recommend him to check out hamilton. easily his best work. one of the best written things i have seen in general.
No the whole idea is that Eric saves her and impresses her father. You’ve become so used to the woke bs that you’re numb.
Vivian is beautiful😍💓
I don't watch it i watch pretty little liars
I done remake Disney just bad and makes skins uk just do
lawwd😍👉
Jaby, has a host...you speak too much.
shocking a woman agreeing with the woke movement.....
Ooooh the narrative was pushed. From start to finish. It's a woke movie, girl friend.
I didn't like the little mermaid movies
No no you 2 akwafina didn't do good she's annoying in everything she's in she's just terrible
I think after Lion King we all got the, live action for speaking Animals ain´t it, so we don´t watch remakes in Theatre were it banks so hard, maybe on Disney+
I did watch if the Ariels acting/singing disappoints to but she did great, I hate when a Skript destroys an Actors career. I´m just too scared from Star Wars, poor Ani, young mainly.
I do thing why the cast to black cause it does have the side taste of woke culture, the bad kind, but I wont watch because someone´s Skin tone she had a great voice, and all her VA in different languages. Mine (German) or French and Japanese was and always are pretty powerful