LRB is Fromsofts pure and innocent stepchild that is incapable of doing anything wrong, no matter how many plates are smashed against the kitchen wall.
It honestly feels like FS doesn’t have a clear vision of what they want their metagame to be. Ducketts/coquillettes were seldom used because of their crap projectile speed and inability to reliably hit outside 80m, not their damage stats. Instead of lightly buffing projectile speed so that handguns are usable across their entire effective range, they instead made ducketts utterly oppressive under 80m only to immediately nerf them back down. Ducketts are essentially back to their pre 1.07.1 state while coquillettes are still useless. Buffing upward thrust on the most commonly used midweight boosters is even more baffling. Presumably they wanted to make it easier for MWs to catch lamm rats, but it’s going to indirectly nerf all lightweights since good Y-axis movement was one of the few small advantages they still had. I guess FromSoft just wants everyone to play 75k brawler and call it a day?
Yeah, I mean every time I get something good going with my LW build, here comes FROM with some wack arse patch that details it and buffs the Zimm-panzees. They must want me to stop playing PvP and PvE until 1.08 comes out or something.
@@IntrusiveThot420 that’s exactly where things were heading in 1.07.1 except we were finally starting to see more diversity in weight classes. Now it’s gonna go back to the same stale, mid and heavy biped dominated meta from pre 1.07.1 where the only viable LW was lamm kite.
Striker about the 703pm and 706pm: they always do the same damage, regardless of how many missiles hit. Is not like vvc plasma missiles where more bubbles hitting mean more damage, plasma mjssiles have a max damage amount they can deal with each firing
@@emanuelelamattina4264 the benefit to 706PM is that there are more plasma missiles to dodge and the wider dispersion of the explosions means it's harder for them to get out of the cloud before taking full damage.
Reload and damage nerf to ducket makes sense. Reload to make ducket less oppressive and add necessity of caution. However, recoil just doesn't make sense. Why do we need another coquilet? Why does it now have more recoil than coquilet is beyond me, and I think recoil was unnecessary, the whole nerf was unnecessary, but if from deemed it worthy, then reload should have been fine.
They keep doing the weird "double tap" balancing. Viento would still be used today if it was just an impact nerf but they nerfed both reload speed AND impact so it fell off a cliff
Why are we being so negative? It's just a balance patch for THEIR game. Let's just be grateful they are still updating the game, and that we have the privilege to play such a wonderful piece of art.
@@Conzort_1 Because the update didn't improve on anything, wrong stuff got nerfed (ducket) unnecessarily which leads to less builds hence less variety. Superficial baffs that won't change anything and ignorance of truly nerf worthy stuff (lrb for example)
@@ooso1991 It's not our place to say where and what and how a game can be updated. When we get lifted like this over a patch, it reflects poorly. They have a vision for this game, and will ask us for our input when necessary. They have already done this before. It's clear they will continue to update the game. And they may ask us for our input, directly, once more. But we need to learn to communicate a little better. A patch, no matter the content, is always a good thing. It shows continued investment.
@@Conzort_1 ??? That is absolutely not true. Is it good that devs keep supporting the game? Yes it is. But can a patch still be a bad patch? Yes it absolutely can be. At the end of the day a patch is supposed to improve the gameplay experience and if most of the player base feels like the patch does not do that and instead makes it worse then the patch is bad.
@@joshualap401 but does that warrant poor communication? If receiving a patch with updates you don't agree with, warrants bad communication: you'll never convince me of your point. There are 3 communities, with different competitive scenes and natures within them. There is a lot that each community does not know about the others. To communicate poorly, with missing information for the arguing point, bodes poorly and lowers credibility. This is just frankly speaking. No opinion involved.
I just finished my 3rd playthrough and even running light I found myself sometimes using double harris just to try and get that stagger build up. Def have never used the light machine guns which is something I would have used in previous titles. Another problem i was haveing is ricochet and if I have to basically hold the enemies hand the whole time I might as well slap on a melee weapon.
This game definitely does not like anything outside of rock throwing range. Manual aimed Fasans or Earshots, or missiles are the only way to get anything to hit effectively outside mid range
You know, Striker? I modified my dual rifle build to more similarly play like that one japanese guy you featured with Harris/DUCKETT, and i found great success dealing with the weakness of dual rifle. ...then i woke up this morning and the arm set i was using to control DUCKETT and HARRIS (HAL) fully no longer does it. The damage is down, hit reliability is down (due to recoil spread), and sustained pressure is also down. What the heck, FROM? You take a sledgehammer to stuff that needs a few taps froma wood mallet, and stuff that needs a wrecking ball you pat it on the head with your hand! LRB, LAMM and Zimmerman are still gonna run rampant! 😂
RIP, dual DUCKETT. Your name shall now be HG-004 DODO 🦤 The recoil does matter, I think. the HAL arms used to be able control the recoil of DUCKETT and HARRIS perfectly...none of the shots deviated. Now, when you spray on an rushing aggressor, multiple DUCKETT shots and HARRIS shots will fly waaaay off and miss static opponents at 100m.
Mind Alpha Arms are still good controlling recoil with Ducks but that melee Spec sucks hard especially since most duck players also played with a melee.
@@nexemisroguelikes234 yep, that's why pretty much the only thing that would still run dual DUCKETT is Bake Cake's DUCKETT/Sweet 16 punish. Duck blade is pretty much dead. I think Striker is downplaying the significance of that recoil spread and what it will do in reducing stagger buildup due to misses.
Seeing how all over the place balence patches in souls games are it was only a matter a time before they made a bizarre patch like this. Though seeing how they probably only look at the Japanese scene it’s probably In response to some meta there since netcode tends to be less of an issue there.
The things that make AC6 a 10/10 PVE game are also what make it like a 3/10 PVP game. I don’t know if I even want DLC at this point, there’s something inherently broken about how this game works. But hopefully I’m proven wrong and AC6.5 is on the level of 4A and VD.
Unfortunately you may be right, but I think they realize that PVP is what will keep this game alive. I dont even want a campaign dlc. I want AC6.5 to be a MASSIVE online mode overhaul with new parts, modes, and rebalancing tailored to PVP.
I think the idea with duckett is that they wanted it to be a stagger tool but not also a stagger punish. Six tube MTL seems like them realizing that there was very little reason to actually use this launcher, dodging its 6 missiles wasn’t that much harder than the 4 of the smaller launcher. 20D buff makes sense to me because I never thought it justified its weight without the build demanding what it has for some reason 12345 buff is weird because now the mule doesn’t even have the pretense of a niche That they still haven’t touched the aorta has me wondering if there’s something about it the community has been sleeping on
Ducketts were insane against slow heavies due to stagger and the impact stat is still there. Now you have to rely on a strong melee weapon to capitalize on the stagger. They are still very good and work within the range they were intended for.
No weight increase to Zimmerman, and LRB not nerfed has me realize my decision to uninstall a few days ago are justified. The disconnect from FS is baffling and I'm just hoping they can actually tune the MP to be tolerable. Till then I'll wait for a proper set of changes
@@shizzy7480 A lot of the power came from the Pulse Shield, which got nerfed along with the Ocellius FCS and San-Tai generator. So now people will need to invest into Firearm Specialization (Target Tracking) to achieve the same effect as pre-nerf Ocellius, which means choosing a different arm part, which will cost more weight and EN Load. Besides, people have the Zimm meta figured out at this point.
@@Light_Buster TL:DR : Zimm's weigh like nothing, leaving free real-estate to gain more stat dense parts without a second thought. Firearm spec doesn't matter much it's a shotgun ( old toko had overburden arms with a LRB and etsujin). Nerfing it's weight allows the other shotguns to shine more Going to have to disagree. Most builds zimm is run on don't require melee like you said so the oce nerf only really nerfed the use of missiles on zim builds not really it's fire arm spec. Considering it still makes weapons useable on basho arms the firearm spec investment argument falls flat since that stat is borderline useless, old tokorobo literally had overburdned arms to give a example. The real issue comes from the fact EVERY weight class can run them, that means there is NO downsides outside of range to running zimms. Which means you can spend more investment on beefier frame parts giving your AC more stat density while still duel wielding the best burst/ stagger build up weapon in the game. I'm not asking for it current stats to be changed just it's weapon weight class, bumping it up above the weight of a harris or even at a similar weight would put it in a place where people could start picking haldman as a lighter option if they don't want to invest the frame parts to carry them. If anything I like zimms current damage and stagger stats just not the fact you can wield two of them without a second thought. duel melee builds still wield one of them so it wouldn't really kill that style of play, it would honestly just force people to think twice before just being able to slap it on every frame part in the game similar to LRB. You can't just slap 2 LRB's without putting frame part investment into it. thats all I'm getting at
VP20D is the best generator in the game now assuming you can afford the weight cost. It literally does everything good now in addition to the highest EN output. You'll be seeing this on a lot of builds now aside from builds that specialize into EN firearm with VE20B and C, or relies on being really lightweight like Kirikite. And while NGI is more popular on lammergeier, people are bound to experiment with 20D lammers, which is extremely damn strong now. I suspect less Coral generator and missile lammers, and more 20D and lighter weapons to make it fit.
Yo, Striker, that new kiri kite-esqe build you mentioned possibly highlighting? He made the same switch that I did since the patch. He switched the DUCKETT to ETSUJIN. I think its more effective at mid range than the previous build and has fewer gaps in pressure than before.
My gripe with 3PM and 6PM (and VPM) is that they all do the exact same damage and impact damage, and (in the case of 3PM and 6PM at least) have the same exact spread, with the only statistical difference being weight and energy consumption...it just don't make sense to me.
It doesn't make sense for PvP, but in PvE the 6PM is an absolute monster because of multi-lock. One well-timed salvo can clear entire clusters of enemies faster than almost anything else with almost zero effort.
Just my 2 cents coming from a fresh player. Lighter closer range weapons should have a higher impact in general. If your a lightweight you can't put on high impact heavy weapons and the lighter stuff just does not seem to accumulate and dissipates way to fast which in my eyes would give an edge to heavy builds. Basically lowers the amount of usable parts to rifles and melee even in pve and you still have to deal with momentary pauses if you charge almost anything in the game, including the laser pistol lol. If your light and up clos, you'rer in the danger zone. Any moment could be your last.
I've basically given up on PvP, But can someone please tell me if the kikaku booster melee thrust is nerfed or not, I can't seem to reach enemy ac even from medium distance anymore.
As a day one Duckett main I do understand the recoil nerf. They were always very controllable with pretty low recoil control. That being said I am disappointed. Understanding, but disappointed.
They definitely need to rethink their weapons. There was this one missile i didn't even touch it left a trail of explosions that couldn't hit shit. Other weapons just couldn't build up good enough impact or be worth the damage. Especially facing certain cores that always seemed to dodge everything, so charge fireing a rifle or using cannons was just out of the question. I cant say anything on pvp I haven't done that as of yet.
*Now* can we stop pretending that FS know wtf they are doing with the balancing of this game? Also, just make overlaping plasma bubbles do more damage, man. It make intuitive sense *and* it would immediately fix the two underperforming plasma weapons; the 6 cell plasma missile and the 760 plasma rifle, without the need to change any of their stats and disrupts the niche of other plasma weapons.
Didn’t really feel like ducketts needed much of a nerf despite it coming up more in popularity. Still suffered rough projectile speed, and the reload time was fine. Guess with the mag buff they wanted to tip the reload time a bit. I don’t mind the recoil nerf cuz encouraging less rapid fire unless using arms with good recoil control is how duckett is supposed to be with pacing the shots. Don’t care about the attack power nerf since it’s mostly for stagger build up. Didn’t really need to do anything in that stat but meh
The second I saw the Duckett nerf I instantly knew this patch was not going to make any sense. I am very confused by what FromSoft was trying to do here...
@@sakura368 But not nearly as negatively because you can still experiment with builds instead of being forced to make direct counters to meta loadouts.
Yeah, this update is straight up wonked. Like, ducks becoming more of a skill weapon is alright, but like...rifles still suck, bubble guns suck, the community is craving new parts and weapons (laser machine guns seem high on the list). There is just so much more that could have been done
I don't fuck with PVP but my most reliable build has been ducks and then lance/zimzam for stagger punishing. Longer reloads isn't gonna matter a huge amount but more recoil just seems silly, and poo obviously the game isn't realistic BUT if the duckett and coauilet fire the same cartridge the duckett SHOULD have lower recoil, because that long barrel would make it much heavier, more mass+same shell= lower recoil impulse
They’re probably messing with balance to have the dlc be harder is my guess but they haven’t implemented the pvp and pve balance separation to my knowledge anyway but they should do that
Nerfing LRB would be very risky. Is the only weapon keeping in check kites, especially on PSN where better latency means more kiri kites. (I think from takes much into consideration psn meta because the jp playerbase).
I haven't played pvp since 2 months after release. Just played a few matched single because I'm bored and fought the same 3 people 7 times. I'm b rank even tho I was s rank last time I played and a few matches until I'm a rank again. I say that to say this...I want a pve update because singles are boring and all the good players is either gone are only in s rank and I'm not a pvp player because it's not fun to me fights last to short but team pvp is fine to me because when u die u come back but nobody plays team. I was sitting in matchmaking until my ps5 turned off automatically, and pve needs new weapons and either a mode like survival or new arenas or something. I filled all my loadouts with different builds with fun builds and meta I got all the ost chips, got everything out the shop, got everything I can get besides s rank title in team pvp because nobody plays it. I beat the game 8 times and all achievements. Literally I have nothing left to do with the game and I'm mainly a pve player and besides that one patch that added a few new weapons and parts I haven't had a reason to play and I'm sad about it. pve players took the game and the community is small now and I just wish they focused on both pve and pvp. I did like team battles because of the chaos and singles was toxic with the rats and missle boats and tanks when I played and I fought through it all to s rank now there's nothing really. I want dlc or a new armored core with pve in mind
They should have made it a pulse generator like the whole laser/pulse Rubicon Institute theme with moonlight and aurora. That way, it could behave completely differently from the NGI. As of now, it's a worse NGI generator that no one will ever run.
I think Aorta should have like 140 en firearm spec. Don't just buff it to like, perform better. Make it so there's a point to putting up with its issues.
@@calangel They could've at least made the AORTA a faster redline than most of the normal generators, something similar to a Combustion Generator but with more EN regained from redlining whilst keeping the abysmal norm recovery. It feels like AORTA SHOULD be something that runs with lower EN Load and EN Capacity than NGI, but also should have a quite faster run given the description for it saying that it "maximizes Coral Combustion" which you really don't feel in-game as most Plasma and Combustion Generators just regain energy much faster, have faster redlines than the AORTA, and some have better EN Capacity AND better EN Load, making the AORTA literally useless.
@@weasel003gaming7 I can definitely get with that change. ...But we do have a generator, VP-20S, that could be retrofitted to fit that role already. Bump the supply recovery stat up to like 490, then give it a post-recovery en supply of 1600. I would use a gen like that. Matter of fact, I think it would rival the VP-20C for use case.
I'm sad they killed pistol meta but as a 12345 on bipeds and reverse joints chad that patch is an absolute win! Although rip grid walker. After all the upward thrust buffs wtf is the point of that thruster?
Do ya think they are adding mini patches bcuz they are planning on keeping the community invested in ac while they are secretly working on something big new ac game ? New dlc? Ya never know
Good. Heavy weights need a nerf. Light weight builds take skill. Heavy doesn't. Light weight you cant even get hit twice. You need to play almost perfect in order to do well. Its unnessary. This game is already not played at all. PvP is non existent. This just makes it even worse.
Heavyweight bi pedal is medium weight and tanks r heavy but this game caters to lightweight builds clearly. This game does not make any sense. We need more body parts instead of weapons!!! ACVD was the best version. I hope they rerelease that.
PLEASE LET SINGLEPLAYER PICK THEIR PATCH VERSION! I love this game but damn are the patches whack. I don't think there is a DLC but if there is, it better slap.
The Karasawa has always been extremely heavy in these games. What it needs is *MUCH better stats* to make the weight worth it, mainly a buff to the uncharged normal shot cause it's damn near worthless as is.
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This game is so ded. Light weight builds take skill. Heavy takes no skill. So they nerf what takes skill and dont bother to balance what doesnt. This is game is so done. PvP was the only thing keeping it on life support. What are you doing FS?
Conspiracy brain here 🧠 Consistency nerf on light weapons? Buff on double missiles weight? Near global vertical buff? I have a feeling this was FromSofts way of sloooooowly training shooter fans into learning how to play. They know that fans understand how to be grounded game now. So they need to teach players how to fly better. Why? Theyve done this before, in ACVD. My conclusion? I think it means thats its close to the time for extension parts, weapon arms and ultra heavy weapons. 🤞 Heres hoping on an expansion soon. Elden ring dlc was announced 726 days after its release and 847 days until its dlc came out. AC6 is at 431 days since release. In a few months theres a good chance that dlc will be announced
I would like this game to demand aiming, alot more builds could thrive if the game didn't just aim somthing like lrb for you. I'd like to see a return of lock on boxes but much smaller than usual.
@@UrVidaGameMum thats Daemon x Machina. It has a Armored Core 5 aim box but much faster bullets and move speed. The problem that happens with this is that the game becomes more about keeping your aim on the enemy rather than learning advanced movement tech. This makes ammo and melee suffer btw I think the problem is that bullets in AC6 are a bit slow. Theyre meant to be readable and reactable at relatively short ranges so you can see your enemys stance change. You can always turn on manual aiming by holding on the auto aim button if thats what you wanna try or boot up Daemon X Machina and see if you come up with a different conclusion
@@FossilApostle haven't played that game, but I've played alot of shooters that force you to learn and use both movement and aiming at the, quake especially, I would prefer use of both, not just one or the other, cause only utilizing one becomes just a numbers and dps race, AND melee options are still pretty viable in quake, the arenas in that game are so much better designed for a multiplayer environment aswell, unlike, flat plain with gigantic skybox 1, 2, and 3, that ac6 has.
@@UrVidaGameMum you are in a giant mech shooting another giant mech. At a certain point it is always going to be a DPS race. My take on your perspective is that you see guns, and guns are lethal, so aim should be prioritized. But in actuallity Armored Core is more like a Boxing simulator. You will get punched in boxing, but the idea is to outlast your opponent using your tools at the right time. If your opponent is staggered or stunned, you can capitalize on that moment of weakness. So this means that Armored Core is inherently catered towards movement rather than aim Aim matters more when a gun can kill you in 1 to 2 hits, like in other shooters. In armored core, you can go thru multiple magazines without an immediate kill. Meaning dodging and trading blows over long period of time bu lol kois more valued than accurately hitting a few shots. If accuracy and bullet speed were as fast as quake, then it really would be more of a dps check game. Because how can you miss a giant robot? If you really want this, then just turn on manual aiming all the time and see if you find different results
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Fkin bans me and buffs WLT twice
your power is feared :P
ITS SO FUCKED UP DEZ
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NO ONE used it like you bro. This player base is too small to be banning people like this
@@adez3606 Was your ban never lifted?
FromSoft: "We heard you fellas were having fun with akimbo pistol builds."
They had to let the embers cool before digging around...then they will set ablaze to us all once more, make us bond with the Coral.
No
They cooked a snack, but forgot to turn on the oven
SOMEONE LEFT THE KITCHEN DOOR OPEN?!?!?
How the hell has LRB dodged another fix
They like lasers in Japan I’m pretty sure so it might be bias
Facts
LRB is Fromsofts pure and innocent stepchild that is incapable of doing anything wrong, no matter how many plates are smashed against the kitchen wall.
@@TheDemonsHaveMe I am going to picture this any time I match one of these bozos haha
All they need to do is lower the impact damage and a lil bit on attack
It honestly feels like FS doesn’t have a clear vision of what they want their metagame to be.
Ducketts/coquillettes were seldom used because of their crap projectile speed and inability to reliably hit outside 80m, not their damage stats. Instead of lightly buffing projectile speed so that handguns are usable across their entire effective range, they instead made ducketts utterly oppressive under 80m only to immediately nerf them back down. Ducketts are essentially back to their pre 1.07.1 state while coquillettes are still useless.
Buffing upward thrust on the most commonly used midweight boosters is even more baffling. Presumably they wanted to make it easier for MWs to catch lamm rats, but it’s going to indirectly nerf all lightweights since good Y-axis movement was one of the few small advantages they still had.
I guess FromSoft just wants everyone to play 75k brawler and call it a day?
"Wait, fromsoft's plan is to make everyone brawl and focus on the stagger system?" 🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 "Always has been."
Yeah, I mean every time I get something good going with my LW build, here comes FROM with some wack arse patch that details it and buffs the Zimm-panzees.
They must want me to stop playing PvP and PvE until 1.08 comes out or something.
@@IntrusiveThot420 that’s exactly where things were heading in 1.07.1 except we were finally starting to see more diversity in weight classes. Now it’s gonna go back to the same stale, mid and heavy biped dominated meta from pre 1.07.1 where the only viable LW was lamm kite.
@@anonymousmurphy shame too. Kites are lame as fuck and non-interactive, so I don't mind them being bad, but come on, LWs need *something* lol.
Treat this as a beta I'd say
Striker about the 703pm and 706pm: they always do the same damage, regardless of how many missiles hit. Is not like vvc plasma missiles where more bubbles hitting mean more damage, plasma mjssiles have a max damage amount they can deal with each firing
@@emanuelelamattina4264 the benefit to 706PM is that there are more plasma missiles to dodge and the wider dispersion of the explosions means it's harder for them to get out of the cloud before taking full damage.
Please FS PLEASE REDUCE THE COOLDOWN ON PULSE WEAPONS
Reload and damage nerf to ducket makes sense. Reload to make ducket less oppressive and add necessity of caution. However, recoil just doesn't make sense. Why do we need another coquilet? Why does it now have more recoil than coquilet is beyond me, and I think recoil was unnecessary, the whole nerf was unnecessary, but if from deemed it worthy, then reload should have been fine.
They keep doing the weird "double tap" balancing. Viento would still be used today if it was just an impact nerf but they nerfed both reload speed AND impact so it fell off a cliff
Even the reload nerf was unnecessary. They already had a longer reload than any other pistol.
I think its because ducketts are meant to be a larger caliber gun than coqs
@@strikerhutassaThey keep touching too many things at once
@@SMLL-crowHigher calibre ≠ worse recoil. If anything the Ducket should have very little recoil since its long barrel counteracts the recoil.
this patch was burnt, undercooked, and unncessesary, what the hell is fs on
Why are we being so negative? It's just a balance patch for THEIR game. Let's just be grateful they are still updating the game, and that we have the privilege to play such a wonderful piece of art.
@@Conzort_1 Because the update didn't improve on anything, wrong stuff got nerfed (ducket) unnecessarily which leads to less builds hence less variety. Superficial baffs that won't change anything and ignorance of truly nerf worthy stuff (lrb for example)
@@ooso1991 It's not our place to say where and what and how a game can be updated. When we get lifted like this over a patch, it reflects poorly. They have a vision for this game, and will ask us for our input when necessary. They have already done this before.
It's clear they will continue to update the game. And they may ask us for our input, directly, once more.
But we need to learn to communicate a little better.
A patch, no matter the content, is always a good thing. It shows continued investment.
@@Conzort_1 ??? That is absolutely not true. Is it good that devs keep supporting the game? Yes it is. But can a patch still be a bad patch? Yes it absolutely can be. At the end of the day a patch is supposed to improve the gameplay experience and if most of the player base feels like the patch does not do that and instead makes it worse then the patch is bad.
@@joshualap401 but does that warrant poor communication?
If receiving a patch with updates you don't agree with, warrants bad communication: you'll never convince me of your point.
There are 3 communities, with different competitive scenes and natures within them. There is a lot that each community does not know about the others.
To communicate poorly, with missing information for the arguing point, bodes poorly and lowers credibility. This is just frankly speaking. No opinion involved.
I just finished my 3rd playthrough and even running light I found myself sometimes using double harris just to try and get that stagger build up. Def have never used the light machine guns which is something I would have used in previous titles.
Another problem i was haveing is ricochet and if I have to basically hold the enemies hand the whole time I might as well slap on a melee weapon.
This game definitely does not like anything outside of rock throwing range. Manual aimed Fasans or Earshots, or missiles are the only way to get anything to hit effectively outside mid range
The buff to upward thrust could be an indirect nerf to long term flying builds like Lamm. It much easier to get on their level and in range.
Lasers is this games version of moonviel.
ive been ranking up through ranks D and C and ducketts are legitimately everywhere, so that may be where the nerf is targeting.
You know, Striker? I modified my dual rifle build to more similarly play like that one japanese guy you featured with Harris/DUCKETT, and i found great success dealing with the weakness of dual rifle.
...then i woke up this morning and the arm set i was using to control DUCKETT and HARRIS (HAL) fully no longer does it. The damage is down, hit reliability is down (due to recoil spread), and sustained pressure is also down.
What the heck, FROM? You take a sledgehammer to stuff that needs a few taps froma wood mallet, and stuff that needs a wrecking ball you pat it on the head with your hand! LRB, LAMM and Zimmerman are still gonna run rampant! 😂
RIP, dual DUCKETT. Your name shall now be HG-004 DODO 🦤
The recoil does matter, I think. the HAL arms used to be able control the recoil of DUCKETT and HARRIS perfectly...none of the shots deviated.
Now, when you spray on an rushing aggressor, multiple DUCKETT shots and HARRIS shots will fly waaaay off and miss static opponents at 100m.
Mind Alpha Arms are still good controlling recoil with Ducks but that melee Spec sucks hard especially since most duck players also played with a melee.
And the arms are pretty heavy.
@@nexemisroguelikes234 yep, that's why pretty much the only thing that would still run dual DUCKETT is Bake Cake's DUCKETT/Sweet 16 punish. Duck blade is pretty much dead. I think Striker is downplaying the significance of that recoil spread and what it will do in reducing stagger buildup due to misses.
Remember the secret level episode of armored core is getting closer so there be future content based on that.
Hopefully a patch to spark some interest. We need more buffs instead of nerds across the board
Seeing how all over the place balence patches in souls games are it was only a matter a time before they made a bizarre patch like this. Though seeing how they probably only look at the Japanese scene it’s probably In response to some meta there since netcode tends to be less of an issue there.
I just had a tournament where 5 top JP players played. Their metagame isnt too different from ours
Rip duck meta 🫡
Ducks going the way of the Viento
Pistols just aren't allowed to be good apparently
The things that make AC6 a 10/10 PVE game are also what make it like a 3/10 PVP game. I don’t know if I even want DLC at this point, there’s something inherently broken about how this game works. But hopefully I’m proven wrong and AC6.5 is on the level of 4A and VD.
Unfortunately you may be right, but I think they realize that PVP is what will keep this game alive. I dont even want a campaign dlc. I want AC6.5 to be a MASSIVE online mode overhaul with new parts, modes, and rebalancing tailored to PVP.
I think the idea with duckett is that they wanted it to be a stagger tool but not also a stagger punish.
Six tube MTL seems like them realizing that there was very little reason to actually use this launcher, dodging its 6 missiles wasn’t that much harder than the 4 of the smaller launcher.
20D buff makes sense to me because I never thought it justified its weight without the build demanding what it has for some reason
12345 buff is weird because now the mule doesn’t even have the pretense of a niche
That they still haven’t touched the aorta has me wondering if there’s something about it the community has been sleeping on
But i liked my ducket in pve
Played a lot of PVE today. I still think duckett is better than Zimm in pve even after the nerf
@@strikerhutassa hell yea
Ducketts were insane against slow heavies due to stagger and the impact stat is still there. Now you have to rely on a strong melee weapon to capitalize on the stagger.
They are still very good and work within the range they were intended for.
I kinda wonder if this is as much experimentation as active balancing, as much preparation as revision.
I just make whatever feels fun to me, i always hate meta and such, just make your own build and just hav fun dont worry about how broken it is.
Probelm is everything fun is getting nerfed.
No weight increase to Zimmerman, and LRB not nerfed has me realize my decision to uninstall a few days ago are justified. The disconnect from FS is baffling and I'm just hoping they can actually tune the MP to be tolerable. Till then I'll wait for a proper set of changes
Zimms were nerfed, just not directly.
As for the LRB, totally understandable, but haven't run into them yet. At least in my experience.
@Light_Buster the real issue isn't it's stagger build up and damage it's the fact every build in the game can run them without any real repercussions
@@shizzy7480 A lot of the power came from the Pulse Shield, which got nerfed along with the Ocellius FCS and San-Tai generator. So now people will need to invest into Firearm Specialization (Target Tracking) to achieve the same effect as pre-nerf Ocellius, which means choosing a different arm part, which will cost more weight and EN Load.
Besides, people have the Zimm meta figured out at this point.
@@Light_Buster TL:DR : Zimm's weigh like nothing, leaving free real-estate to gain more stat dense parts without a second thought. Firearm spec doesn't matter much it's a shotgun ( old toko had overburden arms with a LRB and etsujin). Nerfing it's weight allows the other shotguns to shine more
Going to have to disagree. Most builds zimm is run on don't require melee like you said so the oce nerf only really nerfed the use of missiles on zim builds not really it's fire arm spec. Considering it still makes weapons useable on basho arms the firearm spec investment argument falls flat since that stat is borderline useless, old tokorobo literally had overburdned arms to give a example. The real issue comes from the fact EVERY weight class can run them, that means there is NO downsides outside of range to running zimms. Which means you can spend more investment on beefier frame parts giving your AC more stat density while still duel wielding the best burst/ stagger build up weapon in the game. I'm not asking for it current stats to be changed just it's weapon weight class, bumping it up above the weight of a harris or even at a similar weight would put it in a place where people could start picking haldman as a lighter option if they don't want to invest the frame parts to carry them. If anything I like zimms current damage and stagger stats just not the fact you can wield two of them without a second thought. duel melee builds still wield one of them so it wouldn't really kill that style of play, it would honestly just force people to think twice before just being able to slap it on every frame part in the game similar to LRB. You can't just slap 2 LRB's without putting frame part investment into it. thats all I'm getting at
VP20D is the best generator in the game now assuming you can afford the weight cost. It literally does everything good now in addition to the highest EN output. You'll be seeing this on a lot of builds now aside from builds that specialize into EN firearm with VE20B and C, or relies on being really lightweight like Kirikite. And while NGI is more popular on lammergeier, people are bound to experiment with 20D lammers, which is extremely damn strong now. I suspect less Coral generator and missile lammers, and more 20D and lighter weapons to make it fit.
Yo, Striker, that new kiri kite-esqe build you mentioned possibly highlighting? He made the same switch that I did since the patch. He switched the DUCKETT to ETSUJIN. I think its more effective at mid range than the previous build and has fewer gaps in pressure than before.
nice music choices, AC4 has some damn good music
My gripe with 3PM and 6PM (and VPM) is that they all do the exact same damage and impact damage, and (in the case of 3PM and 6PM at least) have the same exact spread, with the only statistical difference being weight and energy consumption...it just don't make sense to me.
It doesn't make sense for PvP, but in PvE the 6PM is an absolute monster because of multi-lock. One well-timed salvo can clear entire clusters of enemies faster than almost anything else with almost zero effort.
@griffinfaulkner3514 you got a point there, forgot the multilock on them.
the Duckett nerf wasn't unnecessary, but thankfully it doesn't seem to effect too much.
Just my 2 cents coming from a fresh player. Lighter closer range weapons should have a higher impact in general. If your a lightweight you can't put on high impact heavy weapons and the lighter stuff just does not seem to accumulate and dissipates way to fast which in my eyes would give an edge to heavy builds. Basically lowers the amount of usable parts to rifles and melee even in pve and you still have to deal with momentary pauses if you charge almost anything in the game, including the laser pistol lol. If your light and up clos, you'rer in the danger zone. Any moment could be your last.
Gonna finish getting an S rank for every mission before I update. The ducketts are so fun
I've basically given up on PvP,
But can someone please tell me if the kikaku booster melee thrust is nerfed or not, I can't seem to reach enemy ac even from medium distance anymore.
It hasnt been nerfed. I would hella suggest running Fluegal instead tho. The boost speed is pretty damn nice compared to Kikaku
As a day one Duckett main I do understand the recoil nerf. They were always very controllable with pretty low recoil control. That being said I am disappointed. Understanding, but disappointed.
Omg water strider build I gotta do one :D
Yea no LRB fix is confusing, but Duckett was kinda tuned. Still..Im not sure if thats what I woulda did to balance it.
Honestly the plasma missiles only feel like the difference is multi lock related.
They definitely need to rethink their weapons. There was this one missile i didn't even touch it left a trail of explosions that couldn't hit shit.
Other weapons just couldn't build up good enough impact or be worth the damage. Especially facing certain cores that always seemed to dodge everything, so charge fireing a rifle or using cannons was just out of the question.
I cant say anything on pvp I haven't done that as of yet.
*Now* can we stop pretending that FS know wtf they are doing with the balancing of this game?
Also, just make overlaping plasma bubbles do more damage, man. It make intuitive sense *and* it would immediately fix the two underperforming plasma weapons; the 6 cell plasma missile and the 760 plasma rifle, without the need to change any of their stats and disrupts the niche of other plasma weapons.
Didn’t really feel like ducketts needed much of a nerf despite it coming up more in popularity. Still suffered rough projectile speed, and the reload time was fine. Guess with the mag buff they wanted to tip the reload time a bit. I don’t mind the recoil nerf cuz encouraging less rapid fire unless using arms with good recoil control is how duckett is supposed to be with pacing the shots. Don’t care about the attack power nerf since it’s mostly for stagger build up. Didn’t really need to do anything in that stat but meh
The second I saw the Duckett nerf I instantly knew this patch was not going to make any sense. I am very confused by what FromSoft was trying to do here...
I think my main lightweight build might have just been given a slight edge from this update.
*Everybody complaining about the PvP Buffs/Nerfs.*
*Me who doesn't play PvP anyways (i'm on Xbox and my Game pass run out 2 months Ago):* 🍹🗿
these affect the story mode too
@@sakura368
But not nearly as negatively because you can still experiment with builds instead of being forced to make direct counters to meta loadouts.
@@absolutionzero Exactly!! I want to have Fun at the end of the Day while still Having a Challenge.
@@absolutionzero and then the final boss arrives and your funny little build is challenged to it's full potential
@@sakura368 Beating Allmind without moving by using pulse missiles and stunlaunchers is not something you'll see in ranked
Duckets were fine why would you do this fromsoft.
I think its because theyve wrapped up Elden Ring, so theyre a bit more free to patch up things on the laterbase.
I don't play tetras but I'm okay with an indirect buff to them with the 12345 upward thrust.
The pulse missiles did fairly well against a lot of stacked up mt like in the allmind boss fight. (Which i never ever want to play again lmao)
aw i loved using duckett for chip dmg, it was my favourite light weapon for pvp (i suck at pvp, no idea if its usually used for that)
Yeah, this update is straight up wonked. Like, ducks becoming more of a skill weapon is alright, but like...rifles still suck, bubble guns suck, the community is craving new parts and weapons (laser machine guns seem high on the list). There is just so much more that could have been done
Somebody must of been crying about the legendary handgun for to be buffed than instantly nerf? Weird
I don't fuck with PVP but my most reliable build has been ducks and then lance/zimzam for stagger punishing. Longer reloads isn't gonna matter a huge amount but more recoil just seems silly, and poo obviously the game isn't realistic BUT if the duckett and coauilet fire the same cartridge the duckett SHOULD have lower recoil, because that long barrel would make it much heavier, more mass+same shell= lower recoil impulse
They’re probably messing with balance to have the dlc be harder is my guess but they haven’t implemented the pvp and pve balance separation to my knowledge anyway but they should do that
Nerfing LRB would be very risky. Is the only weapon keeping in check kites, especially on PSN where better latency means more kiri kites. (I think from takes much into consideration psn meta because the jp playerbase).
Mfs didn't burn the coral they burned the entire Rubicon with this patch
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That tournament was SO FUN IM GONNA LOSE MY MIND!! Also chat what is this patch am I rite???? 😂😂😂
Oh shush : )
This patch was helpful to Xbox scene
What's the current Waterstrider build? Is it still Majestic/Taiyangshou/JVLN Beta/Random Missile?
Piligar is running split missiles laser drones, ET and nebula on 20d
poor Dez, i shall hold his WLT rifles until he comes home
Fromsoft cooked and they gave us food poisoning
I haven't played pvp since 2 months after release. Just played a few matched single because I'm bored and fought the same 3 people 7 times. I'm b rank even tho I was s rank last time I played and a few matches until I'm a rank again. I say that to say this...I want a pve update because singles are boring and all the good players is either gone are only in s rank and I'm not a pvp player because it's not fun to me fights last to short but team pvp is fine to me because when u die u come back but nobody plays team. I was sitting in matchmaking until my ps5 turned off automatically, and pve needs new weapons and either a mode like survival or new arenas or something. I filled all my loadouts with different builds with fun builds and meta I got all the ost chips, got everything out the shop, got everything I can get besides s rank title in team pvp because nobody plays it. I beat the game 8 times and all achievements. Literally I have nothing left to do with the game and I'm mainly a pve player and besides that one patch that added a few new weapons and parts I haven't had a reason to play and I'm sad about it. pve players took the game and the community is small now and I just wish they focused on both pve and pvp. I did like team battles because of the chaos and singles was toxic with the rats and missle boats and tanks when I played and I fought through it all to s rank now there's nothing really. I want dlc or a new armored core with pve in mind
Ngl, they need to find a way to buff the AORTA. Give it improvements on its role so it's not just a worse Diet NGI Gen.
They should have made it a pulse generator like the whole laser/pulse Rubicon Institute theme with moonlight and aurora. That way, it could behave completely differently from the NGI. As of now, it's a worse NGI generator that no one will ever run.
I think Aorta should have like 140 en firearm spec. Don't just buff it to like, perform better. Make it so there's a point to putting up with its issues.
@@IntrusiveThot420 That literally fixes none of the problems with the AORTA, wdym?
@@calangel They could've at least made the AORTA a faster redline than most of the normal generators, something similar to a Combustion Generator but with more EN regained from redlining whilst keeping the abysmal norm recovery. It feels like AORTA SHOULD be something that runs with lower EN Load and EN Capacity than NGI, but also should have a quite faster run given the description for it saying that it "maximizes Coral Combustion" which you really don't feel in-game as most Plasma and Combustion Generators just regain energy much faster, have faster redlines than the AORTA, and some have better EN Capacity AND better EN Load, making the AORTA literally useless.
@@weasel003gaming7 I can definitely get with that change.
...But we do have a generator, VP-20S, that could be retrofitted to fit that role already. Bump the supply recovery stat up to like 490, then give it a post-recovery en supply of 1600. I would use a gen like that. Matter of fact, I think it would rival the VP-20C for use case.
My main AC runs 2 Ducketts, I'm in shambles right now 😭
I'm sad they killed pistol meta but as a 12345 on bipeds and reverse joints chad that patch is an absolute win! Although rip grid walker. After all the upward thrust buffs wtf is the point of that thruster?
Do ya think they are adding mini patches bcuz they are planning on keeping the community invested in ac while they are secretly working on something big new ac game ? New dlc? Ya never know
Hopefully and they reel in the abysmal mechanics of this game
This doesnt make me interested in ac6. This makes me wanna not play.
why would they fucking nerf my duckett???
what’s the song in the background? 4:44
did they fix the damn cpu affinity bug yet?
Ducket nerfs have me not wanting to play the game anymore… it was my fave on my super light build…..
It's a patch focused on casual play, from not purely light weight perspective... duckets were nutty against heavier weights.
Good. Heavy weights need a nerf. Light weight builds take skill. Heavy doesn't. Light weight you cant even get hit twice. You need to play almost perfect in order to do well. Its unnessary. This game is already not played at all. PvP is non existent. This just makes it even worse.
Heavyweight bi pedal is medium weight and tanks r heavy but this game caters to lightweight builds clearly. This game does not make any sense. We need more body parts instead of weapons!!! ACVD was the best version. I hope they rerelease that.
PLEASE LET SINGLEPLAYER PICK THEIR PATCH VERSION! I love this game but damn are the patches whack. I don't think there is a DLC but if there is, it better slap.
all this and Karasawa is still 10k weight
The Karasawa has always been extremely heavy in these games.
What it needs is *MUCH better stats* to make the weight worth it, mainly a buff to the uncharged normal shot cause it's damn near worthless as is.
stupid ass patch for a game barely anyone is pvping in at all.
I'd say good riddance to the Duckett meta - those things were impossible to dodge, and nigh-impossible to hit with on high latency.
If you are not meta, duckets hit hard I think the nerf shoulda been to the impact
lol ducketts got a nerfed after I already got s this season.
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Worst patch notes yet.
No zimmer nerfs and the orbiter core is still shit 0/10
ONE DAY ORBITER WILL BE USABLE
Wait 5 secs in and ducket nerf already 😢
MLT06 buff yay also fromsoft free Dez
thank GOD they nerfed Ducketts.... those were broken.
Duckets are probably fine.
I don't get the nerf either. Maybe they got scared of the uptick in people using it
They need to nerf raven
And I thought Elden Ring had it bad. From has been screwing up pvp recently haven’t they?
I say that we have it MUCH better than Elden Ring. PVP tournaments in 6 dont need a banlist thankfully. I say this as an Elden Ring pvp enjoyer btw
This game is so ded. Light weight builds take skill. Heavy takes no skill. So they nerf what takes skill and dont bother to balance what doesnt. This is game is so done. PvP was the only thing keeping it on life support. What are you doing FS?
Duckett’s are everywhere now
Dlc please from
Glad pc is still pumping ps4 dead currently grinding the story now
fromsoft caring more for armored core 6 than elden ring rn, fking elden ring is dying super fast LOL, activity is shit
Conspiracy brain here 🧠
Consistency nerf on light weapons? Buff on double missiles weight? Near global vertical buff?
I have a feeling this was FromSofts way of sloooooowly training shooter fans into learning how to play. They know that fans understand how to be grounded game now. So they need to teach players how to fly better. Why? Theyve done this before, in ACVD.
My conclusion? I think it means thats its close to the time for extension parts, weapon arms and ultra heavy weapons. 🤞 Heres hoping on an expansion soon. Elden ring dlc was announced 726 days after its release and 847 days until its dlc came out. AC6 is at 431 days since release. In a few months theres a good chance that dlc will be announced
I would like this game to demand aiming, alot more builds could thrive if the game didn't just aim somthing like lrb for you. I'd like to see a return of lock on boxes but much smaller than usual.
I trained high speed flying since before ranked was a thing. I'm more than ready lol.
@@UrVidaGameMum thats Daemon x Machina. It has a Armored Core 5 aim box but much faster bullets and move speed. The problem that happens with this is that the game becomes more about keeping your aim on the enemy rather than learning advanced movement tech. This makes ammo and melee suffer btw
I think the problem is that bullets in AC6 are a bit slow. Theyre meant to be readable and reactable at relatively short ranges so you can see your enemys stance change. You can always turn on manual aiming by holding on the auto aim button if thats what you wanna try or boot up Daemon X Machina and see if you come up with a different conclusion
@@FossilApostle haven't played that game, but I've played alot of shooters that force you to learn and use both movement and aiming at the, quake especially, I would prefer use of both, not just one or the other, cause only utilizing one becomes just a numbers and dps race, AND melee options are still pretty viable in quake, the arenas in that game are so much better designed for a multiplayer environment aswell, unlike, flat plain with gigantic skybox 1, 2, and 3, that ac6 has.
@@UrVidaGameMum you are in a giant mech shooting another giant mech. At a certain point it is always going to be a DPS race.
My take on your perspective is that you see guns, and guns are lethal, so aim should be prioritized. But in actuallity Armored Core is more like a Boxing simulator. You will get punched in boxing, but the idea is to outlast your opponent using your tools at the right time. If your opponent is staggered or stunned, you can capitalize on that moment of weakness. So this means that Armored Core is inherently catered towards movement rather than aim
Aim matters more when a gun can kill you in 1 to 2 hits, like in other shooters. In armored core, you can go thru multiple magazines without an immediate kill. Meaning dodging and trading blows over long period of time bu lol kois more valued than accurately hitting a few shots. If accuracy and bullet speed were as fast as quake, then it really would be more of a dps check game. Because how can you miss a giant robot? If you really want this, then just turn on manual aiming all the time and see if you find different results
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