Basho Core Has Been BANNED From Tournament Play! | Armored Core 6 PVP

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  • Опубликовано: 9 дек 2024

Комментарии • 107

  • @Talon323
    @Talon323 10 дней назад +142

    Pretty sure if Basho core was broken then it'd be Jailbreak core... just saying.

    • @apophis7712
      @apophis7712 10 дней назад +19

      Get out 🗣👉

    • @TheLaXandro
      @TheLaXandro 10 дней назад +18

      Banning Basho but keeping Jailbreak would be a fun compromise. If you still want a core that makes Zimms miss, you can give up 1400 AP, 100 stability and 2% of generator adjustment for that, just don't cry when it crumbles like a wet paper towel.

    • @Tekka579
      @Tekka579 9 дней назад

      This build had nothing on Zimm shield and you know it

  • @moltenthemedicmain4779
    @moltenthemedicmain4779 10 дней назад +73

    It's so funny this has likely existed for over a year and nobody realised because basho core was so bad nobody used it.

    • @BungieStudios
      @BungieStudios 9 дней назад +1

      I use it. 😢

    • @lainmang7226
      @lainmang7226 8 дней назад +1

      ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED. These guys did the work though, thanks....yaw

    • @warriorlord9407
      @warriorlord9407 8 дней назад

      I’ve seen these weird ass looking basho light weights for a long time now and always wondered what the deal with it was. Now we know.

    • @softysoul7852
      @softysoul7852 8 дней назад

      I found it difficult going from basho to another core and I was curious as to why, I just started playing a month ago and I'm on my first playthrough but with the aggressive style of 432 I noticed I'd take more damage when fighting st range and when I was up close id be able to dodge better.

  • @VideoGameMantis
    @VideoGameMantis 9 дней назад +11

    It's really funny seeing people argue that something shaped like a giant brick was intentionally designed to be harder to hit.

  • @n0mercy646
    @n0mercy646 10 дней назад +32

    BAWS witchcraft strikes again

    • @RedDrake110
      @RedDrake110 9 дней назад +3

      Same feeling as belkan witchcraft

  • @anricig3325
    @anricig3325 10 дней назад +25

    Little ziyi supremacy

  • @yuaisnek
    @yuaisnek 10 дней назад +45

    "Theres a part of me that really loves the jank."
    Are you a fan of New Vegas or Sonic by chance?

    • @ColtonGamingTV
      @ColtonGamingTV 10 дней назад +2

      "it just works"

    • @strikerhutassa
      @strikerhutassa  10 дней назад +12

      I am a big fan of Skyrim and Borderlands. So I definitely do like jank in my video games lol

  • @N7Allfather
    @N7Allfather 10 дней назад +34

    so basically ACs players just discovered how much your profile matters in armored warfare?

    • @glu9165
      @glu9165 8 дней назад +4

      It’s not that, the auto targeting doesn’t target the basho core correctly

  • @argokarrus2731
    @argokarrus2731 9 дней назад +11

    It's amazing how Basho, the ugliest core in the game, which goes with like, literally no other part in the game, is consistently the best arms or core

    • @colt4518
      @colt4518 6 дней назад +1

      It literally just how meta works, it’s Stats a Polarized towards specific areas for a reason

  • @roarikthereaper3083
    @roarikthereaper3083 10 дней назад +10

    Seeing the snail legs hit box much more convinced that pb20 was more cheese than anything!!!

  • @Orinslayer
    @Orinslayer 10 дней назад +8

    This isn't a bug, its just an overlooked design.

  • @AEP8FlyBoy
    @AEP8FlyBoy 9 дней назад +8

    This actually makes me not feel crazy when I've fought Evil Gods in ranked and always build reliable stagger while climbing with them but miss nearly every shot while falling (from the same range, sometimes even CLOSER). Such jank man.

  • @AeroWraith901
    @AeroWraith901 9 дней назад +5

    Love how Snail legs have has a bit of a smaller hit box than it should have while it's kick hit box be wild lmao

  • @laserduck6149
    @laserduck6149 10 дней назад +13

    0:54, Raven wrote this because he got tired of not being able to stagger the RLF'S ACs

  • @AliasGaming0
    @AliasGaming0 10 дней назад +21

    This is actually such a hilarious finding, I guess people better start manual aiming on ladder haha.

  • @Keleksos
    @Keleksos 10 дней назад +23

    The thing about snail legs is that you can't give them nacht+alula QBs and also can't reasonably give them LW neutral speed, so the missing hitboxes aren't so impactful (and besides, the main basho core issue is the misplaced center point)

    • @lainmang7226
      @lainmang7226 8 дней назад +1

      What about the huge armor benefits while your also doing the Obito thing with like 25% of the hits that do hit??

  • @FoxeyeValkyrie
    @FoxeyeValkyrie 9 дней назад +2

    I enjoy going as full Basho build without weapons to invade people's games in the Co-Op mod, I never knew about this bug but it does explain how I was able to evade people while boosting around haha.

  • @jimboanimations4041
    @jimboanimations4041 10 дней назад +7

    It's sad that Basho is so messed up, given how cool and balanced it'd be otherwise.

  • @Sabbathfaax
    @Sabbathfaax 10 дней назад +4

    the fact it's been the game the whole time and it's never been reported till this patch is so funny

  • @snowysiamese
    @snowysiamese 9 дней назад +5

    This isnt really a bug, I just dont think they were meticulously testing the hit reliability of the cores and they intended to had the fcs lock on at the same poiny on each corr because it is just much easier from a design perspective. Especially since the Basho core is so chunky.

  • @guitarlover42
    @guitarlover42 9 дней назад +1

    the hero of rubicon is back to give us more tournaments lets go!

  • @ColtonGamingTV
    @ColtonGamingTV 10 дней назад +12

    Obligatory "all of this just works" - Todd Howard

    • @drwilyecoyote5357
      @drwilyecoyote5357 10 дней назад +1

      except ac6 has FAR fewer bugs than the most bug free bethesda game.

    • @ColtonGamingTV
      @ColtonGamingTV 10 дней назад +1

      @@drwilyecoyote5357 true but still

  • @bekomon
    @bekomon 10 дней назад +4

    I've reinstalled this game recently and been fighting in A ranks, Playing with my LRA and Harris. I've noticed a lot of people running Basho Core and I was wondering why I'm never hitting those guys. Worst part is when i finally stagger them and shoot a charged shot. That shit just flies above their heads because I shot too early.

  • @Litre86
    @Litre86 9 дней назад +1

    Ban Box! Ban Snail Legs! (*Raises pitchfork and torch!*)

  • @stug77
    @stug77 9 дней назад +7

    I don't understand, the basho core hitboxes match the model well? The core is physically shorter than some of the other ones so it's more difficult to hit with shotgun pellets? Yeah, and? What is the "broken" part?

    • @benjaminfinlay829
      @benjaminfinlay829 9 дней назад +9

      The issue is that the point that your FCS aims for is way higher than it should be on the BASHO core.
      Instead of being at the centre-of-mass (dead centre on the Core), it's nearly three quarters of the way up it. Meaning there's a lot more empty space in the cone of fire.
      Which just gets worse when the AC is falling through the air (because your aim point tends to lag behind an AC's movements).
      Combine this with a big chunk of the back not taking hits (which doesn't seem big... until you land and expose that bit, or an opponent flanks you), and the buffs the BASHO parts have received, and there's a _problem._

  • @maximedaunis8292
    @maximedaunis8292 8 дней назад +1

    What bothers me is to miss the shots at near point blank range, that shouldn't be... possible...

  • @Drizzlewick
    @Drizzlewick 10 дней назад +6

    This is so much worse than I thought. I was on PC seeing this basho cheese in 9/10 of my games after rank reset. Im gonna sit another season out. its just going to be nothing but basho in ranked 1s now until a patch and who tf knows when that is. Really sucks fromsoft cant do multiplayer

    • @haydentravis3348
      @haydentravis3348 9 дней назад +4

      There's like 20 people who still play AC6 online...

    • @Drizzlewick
      @Drizzlewick 9 дней назад +4

      @haydentravis3348 I get games instantly and usually with someone different each time. I dunno

    • @CNC-ih8cc
      @CNC-ih8cc 9 дней назад

      @@haydentravis3348 21

  • @hayzenthlay
    @hayzenthlay 10 дней назад +5

    good call, was sick of box countering my builds

  • @SICKSINCE
    @SICKSINCE 9 дней назад +2

    Somebody just overlooked one of the cores all the Japan players are using 😂

  • @ryandugan9176
    @ryandugan9176 10 дней назад +2

    I do wonder if this big exists for more than basho. There’s a couple cores I have a hard time hitting because I shoot over their head.

  • @Tekka579
    @Tekka579 9 дней назад +3

    This build has nothing on Zimm shield. Stop it

  • @haydentravis3348
    @haydentravis3348 9 дней назад +1

    If all you want to do is end our fight quick, I'll alt-f4. Can't get quicker than that.

  • @SlimTheydy
    @SlimTheydy 9 дней назад

    Goodybe Basho+lamm legs double melee, i will miss you.

  • @MrMessanger
    @MrMessanger 9 дней назад +1

    That's so dumb it's wider then most then tall as other is taller and thinner so shouldn't matter it's not broken

  • @FossilApostle
    @FossilApostle 10 дней назад +1

    From Lil Ziyi to BEEG Ziyi to teeenytiny ziyi

  • @Retro_Vendetta
    @Retro_Vendetta 10 дней назад +1

    W negev

  • @raymondlee5754
    @raymondlee5754 10 дней назад

    Jailbreak is just a beat up Basho. It makes sense to me for the ban to cover both cores.

    • @TheDemonsHaveMe
      @TheDemonsHaveMe 7 дней назад

      The completely lower stats are what makes the difference. Jailbreak is a Meme. Period. But with the bug, it actually may be a semi-viable part. Not even necessarily GOOD, just more viable than it was. If all the aiming and hitbox info was correct, Jailbreak core wouldn't see play outside of challenge runs or meme builds.

  • @rylandfoster1
    @rylandfoster1 10 дней назад +4

    Is this an actual bug or is it a design issue that we are just now seeing because previously it had poor stats and ugly visual appearance?

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +2

      It's a bug since for every other core, their lock on point is in the center of their chest. There's no other excuse for why Basho and Jailbreak have this issue other than it being a bug.

  • @giuseppinamastropaolo7004
    @giuseppinamastropaolo7004 10 дней назад +3

    It's not a bug, it's a feature.

  • @kaioxys
    @kaioxys 10 дней назад +1

    Is this even a glitch? Are we sure this isn’t by design?

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +2

      Even if the lock on point is intentional, the fact that your shots can pass through an enemy mech and not deal damage is 100% not intentional, nor is it fun to play against.

  • @lykos9836
    @lykos9836 9 дней назад +3

    Oh no its hurtbox is shaped exactly like the core is BAN IT

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +3

      The hurtbox isn't the issue. Where the game chooses to lock on is. Instead of aiming for center mass, it aims at the head.
      This is really bad, especially for shotguns and single shot weapons like your various rocket/grenade launchers that are now way more prone to missing now that they're aiming at something they can't feasibly hit.

    • @lykos9836
      @lykos9836 9 дней назад

      @NathanTruby that all sounds like meta pick having a counter which is a good thing.

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +3

      @lykos9836 you know what it also counters? Every other build.
      There's no counterplay to a bugged part. You either use the same part or hope that your opponent is bad at the game. If you face off against someone like Discoh or Farquad who know what they're doing, then it doesn't matter if you're on the same level as them. You just lose.

    • @lykos9836
      @lykos9836 9 дней назад

      @NathanTruby try some melee.

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +2

      @lykos9836 melee is normally used as a punish tool, something you'd use on an opponent when they're stance-broken. Which, you know, means you break their stance with some kind of weapon. Normally, a gun.
      And then you run into the same issue of your shots phasing through the opponent. When I say this affects all builds, I mean ALL BUILDS.

  • @MrMessanger
    @MrMessanger 9 дней назад

    There like oh doesn't matter on size or shape then you could use anything and and doesn't matter cause they all have the same hit box and it shouldn't be that way there shape is better for a reason just like weapons just make them all shoot same power and same speed and what ever then doesn't matter

  • @anonymousmurphy
    @anonymousmurphy 8 дней назад +1

    Love that Therapist got nuked less than a week after being “overbuffed” yet Basho core and Snail legs have been quietly enabling an entire cheater ecosystem for over a year with zero consequences. Anyone arguing this game doesn’t deserve to be dead is delusional. 😂

  • @augustinepryde2190
    @augustinepryde2190 9 дней назад

    I'm a basho main so rip father basho lol also basho has always been shorter that's not new it's been like this on release

  • @matthewhanson498
    @matthewhanson498 10 дней назад +1

    I dont think the game benefits from having these bugs, unbalanced part either. My brother started playing it less than a week ago, he imidiatlly started kiting with with duel laser rifles and two 4 packs of missles. He said it was "easymodo" the truth is the game benefts player for being unorignal, and trying less in general. Shotguns, box esjins, kite builds in general. even Pilers have to rely on 4 seconds of stun extension to to get an ohk. Shotguns run you down and micro stun you out of 3/4 your AP. Or maybe you peek and run with aoe attacks. or maybe you missle rat, or lcd lcs on heavys. However there are a good handful of players that have oringal parts and styles, and want to fight a good match more than they want to win.

    • @SiphonRayzar
      @SiphonRayzar 9 дней назад +4

      Armored Core has always had a meta, even in the games before AC6. The idea of a "perfectly balanced" Armored Core game is frankly absurd, because Armored Core has never been balanced. No FromSoftware game has been balanced. There's always been a meta build that stands above the rest.
      However, since Armored Core at it's core isn't a competitive PvP game, that doesn't really matter. Frankly, all this hemming and hawwing about "broken" builds is just humorous to me.

    • @matthewhanson498
      @matthewhanson498 9 дней назад

      @ I’ve played all the other games, 4a and 5 didn’t have meta, not by the final patch. But there where bugs in the games that produced meta builds until they where patched out. It matters because frankly it defeats the purpose of the game. Why have all these parts if people copy cat builds to cheese the online play?

    • @SiphonRayzar
      @SiphonRayzar 9 дней назад

      @@matthewhanson498 Last time I checked, the purpose of the game was to build whatever you wanted and have fun. Not, to have a perfectly balanced online play. Again, NONE of Fromsoftware's games have ever been competitive games in any way, and I highly doubt that will change anytime soon.
      ACFA absolutely had a meta, although that meta very heavily changed depending on the skill ceiling of the players you played against. I can't speak for Gen 5 though, never vibed with it.

    • @matthewhanson498
      @matthewhanson498 9 дней назад

      @ it doesn’t take perfect balance, more difficult playstyles should be more rewarding. I think my issue is that people would be playing whatever they want and having fun, but when they try they lose to the same 5 builds the whole time. Then they stop having fun, and stop playing what they want, they play a boring broken copy cat build so they can win too, and when those victories start to feel as hallow as they actually are, they stop playing the game. I don’t want that. I want people to fall in love with ac like I did. I will be playing armored core my whole life, From learning to balance PvP and fix their netcode will make a better game that more people can enjoy

    • @apophis7712
      @apophis7712 9 дней назад

      ​@matthewhanson498
      Ok, either your memory is bad or you're full of shit. 4th and 5th gen absolutely had meta cheese lmao
      4th gen had VTF missiles, motocobra machine gun, slug cannon, the most cheese grenade cannons that you didn't even have to stop to fire, Kojima weapons that could straight up one-shot you, and not to mention TELEPORTING BLADERS. And not only that, PvP players will tell you not to use half the parts online because they're useless, whiiiiich encourages copycat builds
      5th gen was probably the most balanced in the series, and even that had meta cheese. Some of it included gatling guns, shotguns, heat machine guns, sniper cannon tanks, heat-piledrivers that could one-shot you and were surprisingly easy to land, and the biggest meme amongst them, THE DAMN AUTOCANNON TANKS. And if you wanted to get even more cheesy, you could just equip high stability arms that not only made your guns more accurate, THEY ALSO MADE YOUR GUNS SHOOT FASTER
      So yeah, metal builds aren't a new thing in Armored Core, and anyone pretending otherwise either never played the games or are just bullshitting for the sake of their nostalgia goggles

  • @Bullk1996
    @Bullk1996 9 дней назад +2

    So... Skill issue? I see i see

    • @NathanTruby
      @NathanTruby 9 дней назад +2

      You can hardly call it a skill issue when your shots literally pass through an enemy and they take 0 damage

  • @SiphonRayzar
    @SiphonRayzar 9 дней назад +3

    Ya'll are calling it a bug, but to me it looks like deliberate positioning by the DEVs. Banning a core over something like this is really dumb.

    • @l.a.wright6912
      @l.a.wright6912 9 дней назад

      Yeah this looks 100% intentional.
      And the hitbox hollow sections are 100% there to standardize core hitboxes to improve consistency.

  • @ForkliftKun
    @ForkliftKun 10 дней назад

    Fum

  • @doomtrigger
    @doomtrigger 9 дней назад

    Its not a bug 🤓

  • @guitarlover42
    @guitarlover42 9 дней назад

    time to spam basho core until its nerfed lol

  • @RubiconFightClub
    @RubiconFightClub 7 дней назад

    Bans jailbreak core because it'll ruin match quality, unironically allows RATs to ruin match quality🥴🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @TheDemonsHaveMe
      @TheDemonsHaveMe 7 дней назад

      Nope. Jailbreak core is allowed because it's so weak and busted by low stats. Bug actually makes it semi-viable and not just a bad meme part. BASHO is what is banned. How's your fight club doing BTW? Seems being populated by rats is better than having no one around at all at this point

    • @TheDemonsHaveMe
      @TheDemonsHaveMe 7 дней назад

      And just to be even more forward about it, how messy is it that someone that bans an entire PLAY STYLE is daring to comment on a part ban?

    • @strikerhutassa
      @strikerhutassa  7 дней назад +1

      Jailbreak core isnt banned lol

    • @RubiconFightClub
      @RubiconFightClub 7 дней назад

      You did say you were going to ban it but the same logic applies to basho core📠🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @RubiconFightClub
      @RubiconFightClub 7 дней назад

      For the same reasons that they are banning this part, because it lowers the quality of matches📠🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @callmeCog
    @callmeCog 9 дней назад

    It's crazy - this is a "Broken bug" that is completely a non-issue if you aim manually lol. I have literally never had any issues with this core vs others because I just maim / softlock and maim always goes where you aim it. Idk, doesn't seem like something to ban a part over when the solution is literally just don't let the game do all the aiming for you

  • @commandermaverick1487
    @commandermaverick1487 10 дней назад +3

    I have experienced no problems with the core it doesn’t not need to be banned

    • @TheDemonsHaveMe
      @TheDemonsHaveMe 10 дней назад +7

      Did you watch the video before commenting? Kinda doubt it.

    • @DarukaEon
      @DarukaEon 10 дней назад +12

      "It's not broken if I win with it." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @R3DREVO
    @R3DREVO 10 дней назад

    BRUH JUST PLAY THE GAME