I go to Vineyard and we practise praying through the Holy Spirit which John Wimber first rediscovered. Its an incredible church. Charasmatic church. We hold connect groups every other week in different venues across where i live. Its beautiful. The holy spirit is gentle healing and Jesus is right in the centre. We have teaching on Sundays and its a solid teaching and we have words of knowledge where people pray at the beginning and give words of knowledge ie there is someone who has a problem with their right arm. They come for prayer sfter and we ask the Holy Spirit for healing. Ive only been a christian for about 12 years but i have founf healing and fulfilment theough the holy spirit and i am closer to Jesus now than i thought i could ever be. We are all on a joirney and im still on mine. Lorx open the eyes of these peoples hearts mind and soul for a deeper relationship with you. Amen
This! I am so thankful that this conversation is being had (and I randomly found this video). I have tried most of my life to navigate the tension this message articulately describes. I can't deny the power of God and the miraculous moments I've had in the Lord, even as a kid. So much formation happened within those supernatural and profound inner-working encounters/moments with God. I also can't deny the slow, dying-to-self work of the Spirit that's spanned many years of my life and shaped through the living Word. I've hated feeling like I have to pick between these two realities when I seek community in the Church. I wish all would respect this tension, and I sincerely wish so much of the Church wouldn't run from it and certainly that we wouldn't divide over it. I've felt like a fish out of water in many church environments because I have felt so alone in this struggle. This message encourages my faith so much. I love Jesus. I love Holy Spirit. And they (Father, Son, and Spirit) have never NOT lived in a perfect, loving relationship. It's us that needs help understanding this as broken vessels living in a fractured world. Thank you, Tyler Staton, for your leadership!
Tyler Staton. Pastor of Bridgeway Church Portland and leading 24/7 prayer USA. He has a book called “praying like monks, living like fools”. Check out his interview on RUclips with The Remnant Radio for more 😊
What do yall think of apprentice vs disciple? I’m ignorant of if whether it’s a ‘hey apprenticeship is a better translation’ matter, or if there are different words in being referenced? I’ve heard them used interchangeably but is that what he’s doing here? Just sort of like ‘hey I’m not into cristianese.’
Why do you say, "come Holy Spirit?" Isnt He there all the time? Do you mean, "make Yourself felt, HolySpirit" Sometimes the Holy Spirit has made Himself felt, but we dont register it. Recently, it was only on the 2nd occasion that I had the experience that I realized it was a gift from God. It was soooo fleeting, but once I recognized it as from Him, it changed my whole outlook. So I ask again, why ask Him to come? Isnt He there already?! And are you sure you re not experiencing Him already without registering it, because.... Perhaps your expectations mask it? Just some questions. Dont mean to offend.
I agree! We believe on the things unseen. God promises the Holy Spirit as a SEAL for our salvation and to NEVER leave us or forsake us… therefore we have the Holy Spirit from the moment we are baptized with Him. We don’t base our faith on our emotions or feelings, but on the truth of GOD!
_”And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.”_ This guy is what that looks like.
@@tomkay-bradley3001 Happy to. He is a mystic, he is an egalitarian, he teaches and embraces the Enneagram, he denies the sovereignty of God, he is compromised in his view of the pride cult, his teaching has universalist undertones, and he has a false and unbiblical definition of sin.
@matthewdyer2926 When you say false definition of sin, do you then have the true definition of sin? Who does? My understanding, though their teaching is that sin is "missing the mark" as set by God himself. Tyler himself has, as well as John-Marc, admitted they don't speak 100% truth. They've said that they aim toward a true understanding of the scriptures and of Jesus, which then gets more accurate through studying the Bible in community. My understanding through their teachings isn't that Jesus only dies to bring us eternal life, but to also show us the way to live life to its fullest. That's obtained through mimicking his lifestyle. How is that false teachings? The enneagrams, I admit I don't have a scooby doo about. But does that really matter? Chew on the meat, spit out the bones my friend.
Not sure this guy causes more confusion than clarity. How do you know that? At the end he says “discuss”. If your church is “training” you to preach then you do not have the Holy Spiritual gift of teaching, that’s number one. If you are likewise “training” for prophetic gifts then once again you do not have the gift. He leans towards that “it’s ok” to be not perfect with the administration of the gifts and we should not add so much pressure. These are simply humanistic mindsets. How do I know? “His Word will not return to Him void” as it says in the Bible. So the question is are you in relationship with The LORD or in “training”? My yolk is easy and my burden is light - Jesus. It’s not a walk in the park but you are equipped by the Holy Spirit as He Wills and not by all that this man has said to sound intelligent. Some good points though, however, I hope he can focus on the fact that it is truely in The Holy Spirits control and perfect Will.
He says discus bc it is a pastors conference. There is only one judge and that is Jesus . We are asked to have discernment as well. When Jesus was asked if the disciples should stop some people talking about the gospel who were not “from them” Jesus said don’t, whoever is not against us, is for us . Tyler has brought lot more people to Christ as pastor and prayer director than maybe the two of us sitting behind a keyboard(maybe only me ) Just saying don’t let the ease of judgment slip us into pride of “enlightenment “ and then have James 4:6 reign true
@@ToGodistheglory Well said my friend, it takes more to get out there and 'do something' than it is to sit behind a keyboard and decree judgements. (am not saying that is what @salvationagent does - it odds are its more likely the case) I am on board with what Tyler is talking about here Grace and peace to y'all
You don’t know God. If you knew Him then you wouldn’t be engaged in a vain intellectual exercise of examining the Holy Spirit, but instead would be calling all men to repentance and faith in Jesus. The barrier to the Spirit is sin. You need to repent. Peace to the saints and all glory to Jesus.
This kind of mysticism is exactly why so many people are deconstructing from their faith once they realized they’ve been bamboozled… I had this quack pinned at “rediscovery” n the first 2-3 sentences.
@@trinimatik It would be better to say that the Bible encourages meditation, but contemplative is problemstic because it us rooted in Hinduism snd Buddhism. It is a means of communing with Hindu deities, which the apostle Paul describes as demons. The same meditational techniques are also used in mystical Islam and witchcraft, to name just two other belief systems that employ them. Although some people who embrace are fine, a characteristic of it is a moving away from the authority of the Bible and/or its divine inspiration, the exclusivity of the gospel, a downplaying of doctrine, and out right denial of foundational doctrine.
Apprentice? I thought we were disciples. The Old Testament Hebrew is different from Greek in the New Testament. I am so over listening to people from the pulpit.
The degree of God you experience in our life depends on God, not you. Tyler preaches that it depends on you, which is why he's a false teacher preaching a false gospel.
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in you.... It's no longer I who live but He that's lives in me... The means of grace... What are they? Do we practice them?
I go to Vineyard and we practise praying through the Holy Spirit which John Wimber first rediscovered. Its an incredible church. Charasmatic church. We hold connect groups every other week in different venues across where i live. Its beautiful. The holy spirit is gentle healing and Jesus is right in the centre. We have teaching on Sundays and its a solid teaching and we have words of knowledge where people pray at the beginning and give words of knowledge ie there is someone who has a problem with their right arm. They come for prayer sfter and we ask the Holy Spirit for healing. Ive only been a christian for about 12 years but i have founf healing and fulfilment theough the holy spirit and i am closer to Jesus now than i thought i could ever be. We are all on a joirney and im still on mine. Lorx open the eyes of these peoples hearts mind and soul for a deeper relationship with you. Amen
Excellent! I especially resonated with the concept of training in the spiritual gifts
This! I am so thankful that this conversation is being had (and I randomly found this video). I have tried most of my life to navigate the tension this message articulately describes. I can't deny the power of God and the miraculous moments I've had in the Lord, even as a kid. So much formation happened within those supernatural and profound inner-working encounters/moments with God. I also can't deny the slow, dying-to-self work of the Spirit that's spanned many years of my life and shaped through the living Word.
I've hated feeling like I have to pick between these two realities when I seek community in the Church. I wish all would respect this tension, and I sincerely wish so much of the Church wouldn't run from it and certainly that we wouldn't divide over it.
I've felt like a fish out of water in many church environments because I have felt so alone in this struggle. This message encourages my faith so much. I love Jesus. I love Holy Spirit. And they (Father, Son, and Spirit) have never NOT lived in a perfect, loving relationship. It's us that needs help understanding this as broken vessels living in a fractured world. Thank you, Tyler Staton, for your leadership!
This post…so relatable!
You went off here, bro. It was an honor to be in the room! Lead on, friend. 👍🏼
This teaching is on time and crucial for the local church.
Tyler you always preach to our hearts😊
17:56, thought I was getting an AirDrop....thanks for this conversation.
I was blessed to be here for this. God showed up in an incredible way in my personal walk. He fast forwarded some formation in my life this evening.
This is so good. I love the challenge and invitation of creating an environment to grow like this. Truly awesome teaching.
Appreciate voices like you, Jon Tyson, RT Kendall, etc.
Amen! Beautifully said
One of the most important topics for the church today. Very well presented.
This is brilliant. Thank you for speaking into this space.
so good! Thank you!
Thank you sir!
You did ya thing !
So good!
Wow just wow
❤❤❤❤❤
WOW!!! This man sounds like a christian charismatic mystic. Who is he?
Tyler Staton. Pastor of Bridgeway Church Portland and leading 24/7 prayer USA. He has a book called “praying like monks, living like fools”. Check out his interview on RUclips with The Remnant Radio for more 😊
@@stephen1503 , THANK YOU SO MUCH!
We are doing the Bible Study right now (Praying Like Monks…), and it teaches you how to pray to get closer to God. It’s amazing. Tyler is incredible!
Is there a place to listen to this whole message?
What do yall think of apprentice vs disciple? I’m ignorant of if whether it’s a ‘hey apprenticeship is a better translation’ matter, or if there are different words in being referenced? I’ve heard them used interchangeably but is that what he’s doing here? Just sort of like ‘hey I’m not into cristianese.’
I exegeted the text. It said tongues and prophecies had ceased.
Where?
Why do you say, "come Holy Spirit?" Isnt He there all the time? Do you mean, "make Yourself felt, HolySpirit" Sometimes the Holy Spirit has made Himself felt, but we dont register it. Recently, it was only on the 2nd occasion that I had the experience that I realized it was a gift from God. It was soooo fleeting, but once I recognized it as from Him, it changed my whole outlook. So I ask again, why ask Him to come? Isnt He there already?! And are you sure you re not experiencing Him already without registering it, because.... Perhaps your expectations mask it? Just some questions. Dont mean to offend.
I agree! We believe on the things unseen. God promises the Holy Spirit as a SEAL for our salvation and to NEVER leave us or forsake us… therefore we have the Holy Spirit from the moment we are baptized with Him. We don’t base our faith on our emotions or feelings, but on the truth of GOD!
Continuously keep on be being filled with the Holy Spirit
Sealed and filling are they the same
Hmmm
Someone might be sitting on the very same couch with their spouse and yet ask them to come here.
_”And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.”_
This guy is what that looks like.
Care to expand
@@tomkay-bradley3001 Happy to. He is a mystic, he is an egalitarian, he teaches and embraces the Enneagram, he denies the sovereignty of God, he is compromised in his view of the pride cult, his teaching has universalist undertones, and he has a false and unbiblical definition of sin.
@matthewdyer2926
When you say false definition of sin, do you then have the true definition of sin? Who does? My understanding, though their teaching is that sin is "missing the mark" as set by God himself. Tyler himself has, as well as John-Marc, admitted they don't speak 100% truth. They've said that they aim toward a true understanding of the scriptures and of Jesus, which then gets more accurate through studying the Bible in community.
My understanding through their teachings isn't that Jesus only dies to bring us eternal life, but to also show us the way to live life to its fullest. That's obtained through mimicking his lifestyle.
How is that false teachings?
The enneagrams, I admit I don't have a scooby doo about. But does that really matter? Chew on the meat, spit out the bones my friend.
Not sure this guy causes more confusion than clarity. How do you know that? At the end he says “discuss”.
If your church is “training” you to preach then you do not have the Holy Spiritual gift of teaching, that’s number one. If you are likewise “training” for prophetic gifts then once again you do not have the gift.
He leans towards that “it’s ok” to be not perfect with the administration of the gifts and we should not add so much pressure. These are simply humanistic mindsets.
How do I know?
“His Word will not return to Him void” as it says in the Bible. So the question is are you in relationship with The LORD or in “training”?
My yolk is easy and my burden is light - Jesus.
It’s not a walk in the park but you are equipped by the Holy Spirit as He Wills and not by all that this man has said to sound intelligent.
Some good points though, however, I hope he can focus on the fact that it is truely in The Holy Spirits control and perfect Will.
He says discus bc it is a pastors conference.
There is only one judge and that is Jesus . We are asked to have discernment as well. When Jesus was asked if the disciples should stop some people talking about the gospel who were not “from them” Jesus said don’t, whoever is not against us, is for us .
Tyler has brought lot more people to Christ as pastor and prayer director than maybe the two of us sitting behind a keyboard(maybe only me )
Just saying don’t let the ease of judgment slip us into pride of “enlightenment “ and then have James 4:6 reign true
@@ToGodistheglory Well said my friend, it takes more to get out there and 'do something' than it is to sit behind a keyboard and decree judgements. (am not saying that is what @salvationagent does - it odds are its more likely the case)
I am on board with what Tyler is talking about here
Grace and peace to y'all
You don’t know God. If you knew Him then you wouldn’t be engaged in a vain intellectual exercise of examining the Holy Spirit, but instead would be calling all men to repentance and faith in Jesus. The barrier to the Spirit is sin. You need to repent. Peace to the saints and all glory to Jesus.
This kind of mysticism is exactly why so many people are deconstructing from their faith once they realized they’ve been bamboozled… I had this quack pinned at “rediscovery” n the first 2-3 sentences.
@ I pray for all these men. I weep and plead with God to have mercy on us all. Psalm 12 is more true than ever in this evil age.
This may all be good apart from the fact that contemplative prayer is unBiblical.
Why do you think so?
False. Contemplative prayer has biblical and unbiblical forms.
@@trinimatik It would be better to say that the Bible encourages meditation, but contemplative is problemstic because it us rooted in Hinduism snd Buddhism. It is a means of communing with Hindu deities, which the apostle Paul describes as demons. The same meditational techniques are also used in mystical Islam and witchcraft, to name just two other belief systems that employ them.
Although some people who embrace are fine, a characteristic of it is a moving away from the authority of the Bible and/or its divine inspiration, the exclusivity of the gospel, a downplaying of doctrine, and out right denial of foundational doctrine.
Apprentice? I thought we were disciples. The Old Testament Hebrew is different from Greek in the New Testament. I am so over listening to people from the pulpit.
He is framing discipleship as apprenticeship to Christ. Read Dallas Willard or John Mark Comer.
@ I know I just disagree with that premise.
@@55zachmando you understand that the concept of a rabbi’s disciple is very akin to how we practice and understand apprenticeship?
The degree of God you experience in our life depends on God, not you. Tyler preaches that it depends on you, which is why he's a false teacher preaching a false gospel.
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who works in you....
It's no longer I who live but He that's lives in me...
The means of grace... What are they? Do we practice them?
We need God for more of God
Posturing our hearts through practice is biblical and what Jesus did... He made room and practiced faith
Was David not a man after Gods own heart?? Was that Gods work soley in Davids heart that caused him to be a man after his heart?
@dasboy1ify Of course. The flesh profits nothing, and David says the same thing as outlined in Romans 4:5-8.