FIRST IMPRESSIONS PART 1 - PMDG DC6 MSFS
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Time to take a look at the PMDG DC6 Cloudmaster in MSFS. Join me as I work through Tutorial One, taking the mighty beast from Portland Oregon to Seattle Washington.
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Sorry Froogle, the RH seat was for the First Officer. The FE sat behind, and in the middle.
The flying using the AFE is, in reality, exactly how it was done back in the day. The pilots, at least in the DC-6 and subsequent with flight engineers, only had to steer and talk on the radio. They also had a radio operator on longer flights to handle HF and morse. They had nothing to do with engine or systems management - in fact, they did not touch the throttles on some airlines except to bring them to idle in the flare - they called out power settings on approach to keep the speed where they wanted it. The FE was a sort of human autothrottle!
The FE was by far the busiest man (all men back then!) in the airplane. This was also more or less true in the WWII military DC-4's - they had a mechanic flying as crew chief, who handled the same things as the FE did later. Only on the DC-3's and the Convair 240 series did the two pilots actually handle the systems, and thus got more of a workout!
So in fact the actual flying of this airplane is a lot more like flying a 777 than you might think. On overwater legs, the navigator gave the pilots headings to fly, not unlike a sort of GPS. The more things change.....!
Sound more like the captain of a ship more than a captain of an airliner
@@Antoine00000 Certainly! And indeed, before the war, Pan American had a pilot status that was so rarefied that, according to author Ernest K. Gann, few reached it - it was called Master of Ocean Flying Boats. This is precisely how maritime rank works, with Master of Oceangoing Vessels being the highest grade of commanding officer aboard ships. The original intent of this grade at Pan Am was apparently precisely what it was at sea - the Master was to be relieved of actual manipulation of the controls, and thus just in command, like a ship's Captain is. Of course, it was never actually implemented in quite that way, perhaps due to the interruption of the war.
We must, in fact, recall that it was Juan Trippe and Pan Am who gave us the nautical nomenclature in the first place. At the domestic airlines the pilot in command was simply called the pilot, or perhaps the First Pilot. It wasn't until the mid to late 1930's that Captain and First Officer made their way to the purely overland airlines!
Nice to see these videos back again. Very welcome
I love this aircraft, and I'm glad I found your channel from it, the videos are great. Just wanted to point out that the right hand seat was for a first officer, as per usual. When the DC-6 first came out it was operated only by a pilot and first office, despite a pilots union saying that it really should have a 3rd officer like the quad engine military planes. After an accident involving a DC-6 from either Untied or Delta(can't quite recall now), it was mandated that DC-6's be operated with a flight engineer to help the pilots overcome some of the complexity that the new breed of quad engine planes brought. In the DC-6 the FE would sit between the two pilots on a jump seat that was added as an afterthought after the mandate, which is why it's such a silly little seat for them to sit on. The AFE in this PMDG version does actually add a bit of realism to the experience, over and above making it a bit more accessible. In real life the FE would do the settings for engines as requested by the pilot flying.
I know I'm extremely late watching this but what an awesome aircraft and fantastic review ,flight ,video
you certainly know your stuff
well done to the devs and to yourself ..thanks!
I'm so glad that you are back! I really like how well you explain things and show stuff that all people can understand.
Great job Pete. As usual. Great to see you back doing your first impression videos. Hope you’re doing well. Looking forward to part 2.
Yeah! Good to see Froogle back to its old form.
Thanks for this and wonderful to see you back.
The right seat was the copilot seat. The F/E occupied a jump seat between the two pilots behind the center throttle console.
A little further discussion on the FE. Since the DC-6 and 7 were based entirely upon the DC-4, which originally did not contain the FE position and was operated by the two pilots, with later addition of a crew chief who served more or less the same role as the FE later did, they all had the same identical cockpit, at least dimensionally. When the FAA decided, after WWII, to require an FE on all planes above a certain size, Douglas merely used the same jumpseat that had existed all along starting in the DC-4, and stuck the FE there. On the other hand, Boeing and Lockheed put the FE at a panel behind the pilots, essentially the same place as it ended up being in the jets. The FE, as a crew position, actually started on the Boeing Stratoliner, and was also featured on the Stratocruiser and of course all of the Lockheed Constellation series. Interestingly, the FE returned to a jump seat position on the Electra.
Poor guy. That seems a very flimsy seat compared to the other two. FEs in the Connie got it better, it seems.
Man, I missed this videos!!
You are the best froogle keep it up.
Wow, thanks!
The right seat , on this aircraft, was never used or planned as the F/E seat.
Thank you ! Froogle 2.0!
I highly recommend you get the "No Handle Bar" mod from flightsim.to - it gets rid of the white bar that appears at the top of the screen every time you move your mouse cursor.
PMDG - Wow, and MSFS 2020 and Asobo ... also, Wow! It's an amazing sim ... and of course, I think I might need yet another hardware upgrade. Some things need to be "tightened up". VNAV doesn't seem to be working and there are control problems when hand flying. Attempts to get the joystick's 'deadzone' properly balanced are regularly frustrating. X-Plane has a "configure yoke" option and it's done automatically. Seems the airliners are all programmed with FLCH, flight level change, even when V/S is selected. Otherwise, some stuttering here and there.
“Study level” yeah right.
South African flight engineer?
8000 ft is low for a pressurized aircraft, especially when the engines are supercharged
Flight Engineer sounds like a South African... ;-)
Ja verseker..
Just a small detail...that's 650 lbs/hr FF, not 6500 :) (it's x100). Not a problem, love your vids.
Ok, thanks
1:44 "HE SAID IT! HE SAID IT!!"
1:44 amongus ! !111! !!!!!!1
The engineer's seat is in the middle, it folds out.
im just curious why PMDG doesnt sell this for x-plane anymore.
I don’t think it was very well received for the money they were asking.
They stated a while back that all new development will be focused on MSFS. Sorry to say mate but I don’t think XP will see another PMDG plane.
@@jjohnson1667 Ya, Im sure they would have done much better releaing the 737 for x-plane instead of that, and im sure things would be different today
@38 ya..well i just hope they ever optimize msfs cause its basically useless on my system
@38 yes, i certainly hope you're right..i am not anti- MSFS, just a bit sad i really cant use it in its current state..20fps doesnt work for me. Yes my system is aging..but im hearing ppl with 2000 dollar systems complaining as well
Pete- three man crew. Flight engineer sits behind the throttles
Also, the checklist aren’t done by the “ fake captain “ - the FO and FE are doing them. Captain calls for the power settings however….
Thanks for the video. It could be argued that “study level” means “you’ll need to read the manual” and that the AFE means that this isn’t study level.
Considering the AFE does exactly what the FE would do in the real world, it is study level. You can opt to do everything yourself but then that’s not realistic to what would happen in the real world.
@@jjohnson1667 "AFE does exactly what the FE would do in the real world"? Ah, but as Froogle shows at 5:50, the AFE feature also provides a "fake Captain" to do the Captain's side of the conversation as well. irl the Captain would at least have to have a basic understanding of the process. "Study Level" is a possibly controversial phrase in flight simulation and can mean different things to different people. tbh I'd probably buy this if I hadn't been disappointed in the xplane version of it for a number of reasons. I hope that the 737 comes out in the next few months. On the plus side, the Flight Engineer has more personality than as I remember it previously.
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At the military and airline level, on a three man crew, the FO typically responded to all checklist items up front except those particularly associated with the Captain position, such as "Seats and Belts: Secured on the right/Secured on the left". Again, completely realistic to the original operation. You are correct in your statement that "study level" means different things. It might be good for the hobby to define what it means, but probably impossible. Suffice to say that if every switch and circuit breaker in the "cockpit" works realistically (as is apparently the case here) then that should make the cut in any man's world! In fact, if this lacked an FE, considering that in the real world that position is indispensable, it would be less than realistic.
@@anthonyvallillo422 Fair comments, thanks for the clarification on the roles. I just slightly get irked by the suggestion that this is the first "study level" simulation in msfs, because that depends on how you define it. (I'm not sure if Froogle claimed that or not). I'd agree that it is study-level but then I don't think it is the 1st. Also whilst it is very cool that the engines behave differently to each other, that's not a new thing. I don't know whether it was PMDG or A2A that did it first but they both did it in FSX, and Simcoders have done it in xplane.
Saying it isn't study level because it has options on which seat you fly is like saying you didn't solo in that airplane because it's equipped with an autopilot. Sorry but this seems silly to me.
Sorry to say I am back to X Plane since there was no solution for my install loop issue. I got a boiler plate list from zendesk and after trying everything on that list, it still refuses to install. Money down the drain.
I've watch a lot of reviews on this add-on and I have to say the engine start animations are pretty poor compared to what I expected.
Don't forget the simulator restrictions which don't allow clouds of engine start smoke, hopefully that will come later.
@@Squirel Yeh I appreciate that its most likely sdk restrictions but I thought that companies like PMDG and A2A would be really pushing asobo for all this..
@@andrewjamez I agree and they probably are but with so much work still needed on the sim the developers are having to be patient just like the rest of us. It's funny, there have been so many complaints about developers releasing unfinished product but Microsoft/Asobo are worse than any of them.
@@andrewjamez You say you appreciate the SDK restrictions yet you bag PMDG knowing it to be the case.
@@zorbalight3933 im just a little dissapointed that after all the waiting that the developers can't deliver on some of the finer points that even p3d could give us
If I were to do a video review of an aircraft, I would spend some time reading up on it, and do a couple of practice flights so I knew what the different switches and gauges signified, and then do the review. But that's just me.
But you didn't do a review, and likely your review wouldn't be as engaging and interesting to watch
Froogle did state that he would do a "first impressions" video first to be followed by a "10 hour review" later. This is his first impressions video so expect some inexperience with this particular aircraft and it's systems.
You are so quick to blame a bug MSFS, But when you do you find out it was YOU! You don't admit it lol.
Lots of stutters ! I thought jet line would have sorted this .
My Jetline PC is now nearing 2 years old, and still kicks ass. Unfortunately not living in the States anymore it's not likely to be replaced. That said, the guys there are awesome and I have no problem continuing to give them exposure.
The stutters though are more due to RUclips encoding a variable frame rate video. Silky smooth for me.