Loved the video, not sure if this is allowed but can you do a video about both tsunderes and the top bottom switch spectrum, I have a bone (not in that sense, god no in that sense) to pick with akuma nimune ( personally I think she is a bit problematic considering that the tropes she tries to do make her a bit toxic) would recommend Elly and juniper actias as contrasts, an analysis on what makes a community punching bag (good case Ashley Nicole’s, bad case onesion ), a possible collab with VIL (vtuber I love, which is the name of the youtubers channel) and how honesty makes all the difference from a good ol nagatorro and a toxic dress up darling. TLDR (though probably should) tsunderes and the top bottom switch spectrum is very interesting topic and I dislike numi abit. Hopefully this isn’t asking much of you and some of my suggestions might be that out there but I just want some insight on some things I’ve noticed on how the tsundere trope is getting exausted and it correlations to the top bottom switch spectrum.
Fauna calling her fans "Saplings" also helps put her viewers into the Mommy mindset. She is also very wholesome about her speech, like how she refuses to curse for any reason. Remember her telling a childhood story of how she got that way.
For the story of Fauna and cursing, it's just she never picked up the habit of swearing and when she did swear one time in middle school she was so ashamed of herself she swore herself to never swear again
Fauna really set out to be Onee-san but Hololive knew she was a mommy. A series on these tropes would definitely be good and interesting to talk about the loose connections solidifying people into them.
I think she falls in that range of being your older sister but the older sister that has taken care of you for years. The "it's my sister, but acts like your mom" trope.
I had separation issues with my mom as a toddler and ngl I think I would have been completely over my mommy issues had Fauna not come along LMAOOO she pulled me RIGHT back in
@@RawBlue Yep. If we're going by the example given, it makes sense. No straight-up outward appearance at being assertively sexy all the time, but... there are situations, and very controlled when it happens.
@@WhosManIsThis We all thought that, but things changed after debut really quickly, and I love it. I mean... You let Scarle cook, but sometimes you second guess that decision. 😅
As a sapling, it was mainly the green hair that attracted me to her. Green = best. After seeing her debut tho...From the motherly vibe, to the slight hint of yandere, and just the comfy voice and personality she gives, I'm happy to have given my support for her, from then to now and as long as she's around. I'll also have you know that I've only cried 3 times today in wanting more Fauna. UUU.
I remember Mumei being suprised when Fauna actually said "shut up" when talking about some video game character that annoyed her, saying she never heard her telling anyone to shut up And considering that one Ender Dragon stream where she was basically the only organized one while everyone else was being chaoting (some by accident like Sana) the furthest she went was "No! Don't do it or I will be mad!"
Man, got high hopes that he’s gonna describe Mio-mama specifically, knowing that she do have motherly laugh, all streams are comfy, and not to mention always pamper both fans and holomems, and rarely shows sexual appeal (except the suspect dance, caught me off guard), should needed more attention 😔
A wise man once said, "if sexuality is all you can offer then it is all people want from you". Eventually they'll go looking for something else. In all vtuber group, I like Hololive the most because the talents are 'grounded'. There are rules and lines they cannot cross. Those rules are for the benefit of both the talents and viewers.
I never could quite succinctly pin down Fauna's appeal, so I just sorta categorized her into the in-between space bridging the "mommy" and "mom-friend" archetypes.
Honestly, i can't see Fauna as a mommy trope anymore solely because her is such a memelord. the biggest reason i like fauna is because of her random dumb tangent. And she is not a normies memelord either, she is in the deepfried variety.
Ah yes, when Faunas Vibes and personality Collide With the fact that she has atleast more than 13+ years of Internet knowledge, memes and obscure things at that, the most random topics that come out without warning and a mindset best described as competitve.
Yeah like, if you actually watch her content, you realize she's the least seiso in the gen (besides maybe Sana, who is eternal). It's just that she is far more sophisticated than most with her innuendo and knows not to spam it. She is definitely on the older and "cultured" side of Holomems.
Yeah I always got more cultured dorky older sister type from her, she us really supportive of the saplings but has no issue bullying like and older sibling should, the biggest thing for me is she is WAY too cultured in a if you know you know kinda way, she is too close in age for me to consider mommy like her refrences always hit way to close to home like she just like me fr fr, she is a millennial who grew up in the golden age of the internet and is now a professional memelord
I’m glad Fauna is the thumbnail. In my opinion, she set a precedent for the archetype that basically everyone follows nowadays. (I’m not saying that she made it, just that everyone follows what she does)
Rest assured. Fauna does and will pull out a mommy style "Ara Ara" when the need arises. Kobo in her birthday stream recieved the full force of Fauna's "Ara Ara" and Kobo freaked out when it hit and after Fauna left the stream.
I don't see Fauna as a mommy she's like the EN version of Watame, a comfortable fluffy pillow friend, her cowkini period was hilarious because it's so out of character but you could tell she's passionate about cowkinis for some reason, it's "adorkable", like Watame who WANTS to be sexy but her fans won't let her, these two girls are too pure they can't lewd themselves even if they tried. I know Fauna won the EN mommy poll by a landslide, probably because EN doesn't have one, but i think the most mom member of Hololive is Choco, purposely putting on the onesan voice, always cooking for other members, giving the impression of a well maintained home (famous for her luxury bed), having that character design and teasing viewers, I'll agree with Mio cus she's so insanely wholesome and supportive of her friends.
The hololive EN mommy is Kiara, maybe because she is the older one (maybe), life experience, emotional, and she has done well the mamá role play with Kobo. Fauna is more like an onesan like Ina and sana
I think Mio is the most mom-like Holomem, even Holomems call her mama. Choco-sensei is actually more like that oneesan who is reliable but also has her immature moments. She has the tendency of doing things she likes obsessively to the point where it's too much. The woman literally ginded endermen to the point she got to lvl 300+ "just because", then lost those levels "just because", then grinded endermen again to level 504... "Just because." She's the only Holomem (other than Sora maybe) that Pekora _really_ didn't wanna kill, coz she felt so guilty of the thought that Choco-sensei will lose 500 levels because of her. Choco-sensei weaponized that guilt and trolled Pekora hard lmao
Fauna really portays that motherly vtuber trope very well. Both in model and in voice, plus is goes with her character. Seeing as to how she's known as mother nature.
@@SelecaoOfMidas It happens that i may be in the same case Just that Ina is not streaming much lately so i only watch Fauna and i don't feel like Saplings are THAT horny
Favorite Vtuber archetype fr fr. I like both the horny curvy mommys and the warm supportive mommies. Honestly, my favorite right now is an indie named Sasin who, washboard tan abs nonwithstanding, isn't really that sexual. But her being a mother and elementary school teacher in real life makes her streams feel so relaxing and inviting to be a part of. Especially when her voice is smooth as butter. You can just feel the supportiveness from Harpy Dragon Mom.
The way you describe Fauna and Saplings' relationship, it reminds me of Suisei and Stargazers' one. The Vtuber not playing into some trait makes the fans want it way more. A different trait, but a similar effect.
Talking about the mommy trope with that specific monogatari soundtrack is making my brain loose some braincells lol. Thanks for the very infomative video Nousagi
Ok here is a hot-take. I am a sapling with all my heart and I love the soft spoken Fauna, but when she used her deep voice while playing the CouncilRyS RPG, I think my panties got wetter than ever before. I dont usually look at her in a seiso way, but more in a kinda motherly way, but THAT DEEP VOICE BROKE ME
This is super interesting. I never really tried to analyse the parallels between Vtubers and anime, and even then I usually rely on my own intuition, so having it put into words I can agree or disagree with is a great idea. Looking forward to this series!
I really didn't expect much form this vid, but you articulated this so well, I really can't fault you on any of it. Thank you for this down to earth explanation of this trope.
I think Fauna coes off as a mommy because in real life she probably gives off that feeling even without the anime avatar attached, and it's hard to overwrite your base characteristics
Dude... You are the only person on the entire internet that can make a vid unironicaly analysing fucking MOMMIES in the VTuber industry and I would not only watch it, not only listen to it but be invested in it. Mommies aren't my fav archetype but thanks to this, I might start to appreciate (some of) them a bit more. I missed you mate, your takes are some of the best I've seen on RUclips in a minute. Also I'd say Nina and Fauna are the absolutely best representation of this archetype, but I'd say Nina does it a little better, with her not being all coomer bait, yet all her fans and colleges keep calling her mom (If Fauna didn't do the cowkiny thing I'd say she would be the best representative of this archetype)... The fuck have I written... YOU DID THIS
Historians studying this piece of history then writing in their thesis "In Image 1.1 we can see one of the many "Png-Tubers" of the 21th century , the video in question is of said "Png-tuber" disscussing of the trope known as the "mommy trope within the culture of "Vtubing"
Yooo Chad Nousagi is back! AND the vid has my oshi in it! God I love Fauna! She's like an in-between of the mommy and onee-san trope, and my honest to God opinion is that her NOT leaning towards the sexual stuff is why she's my oshi. You feel safe and calm in her streams no matter what's happening, and too often mommy-type vtubers end up breaking that safe calm vibe to get a sex joke in there somewhere which takes away from the overall experience. I lean towards Fauna being an onee-san, but i completely see why lots of saplings - and even Holomyth themselves - see her as a mommy.
TBH, the more I watched of here, the less I thought of her as “mommy vtuber.” Now I just think she’s an absolute memelord and “just like me frfr.” UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I MISS HER!!
I was worried for a sec when you said it can get boring real quick with a picture of Fauna in the background. I'm glad to see you appreciate Fauna as well, I feel she's heavily underrated. Honestly coomer bait does the exact opposite for me of what it's trying to accomplish and you said that very well here. Bravo!
That's why Kronii is my Oshi she is one of a Kind. In Paper she is a Narcissist who loves herself and no one else and bounces off with chat in a Comedic relationship. During Girls collabs she is mostly the Bottom of the Joke and is constantly being Bullied and gets her work cut out for her and loses. During Male collabs she is the Opposite and is the one Dominating and make the Boys look like the Jokes. There are probably more but yeah these are the reason why Kronii is my Oshi
Unless she is in a holosalt Collab then she owns the stream and everyone will fall to the clock Edit: results of me replying before I finished reading the comment lol
Kronii is honestly such a gem. She bullies, she gets bullied, but it's also hilarious how Japanese Hololive members absolutely adore her despite her Japanese speaking skills. That's another thing too, she knows how to pronounce Japanese words as if she's an S-tier voice actress, but when it comes to actually conversing with other people, she struggles since she's not fluent. She's just perfect.
@@shocksword6847 yeah man Kronii is indeed special, it's always exciting to watch her streams or see Dozens of Clips made for her since majority of the time you will discover something thing new and funny and still stick to her Schtick. Was worried shitless during her Surgery since from my research she shouldn't even be talking let alone Fly to Japan to perform lol I just hope she ain't pushing herself too much.
I really do think that one of the things that turns me off about a lot of Vtubers is the over-sexualization. Vshojo is by and large just the largest corpo where this can be seen among many of it's talents. I've tried to check out all of them because I love Ironmouse so much but honestly none of the others do it for me at all. Even Kson who I normally like has gone down a more sexualized path that I'm simply not interested in. I see so many independent Vtubers out there with incredibly lewd models and of course all the content you see from many of them is also lewd so even if there IS more to them that's the first impression that's put out there. For whatever reason, I just keep getting pushed back towards Hololive and their talents overall because they strike a better balance of cuteness with only a touch of the yabai. Hololive clips also almost always focus on funny situations or moments which to me is just more entertaining on the whole. Obviously, everyone has their own personal tastes and thankfully there are so many Vtubers nowadays that you're bound to find at least a few that fit what you're into.
Yep, Vshoujo is basically a borderline camgirls org now besides mouse. And i like mouse in tangent because i like CDawgVA. There is no other spectrum in Vshoujo, since too much freedom is not necessarily good. With hololive there is something for everyone.
@@GranMaj Yup, myself i call them Vthots. The only one i have any form of respect for is Mouse, she's been through enough to have that strong... idk "wisdom" side to her?
VTubers using sex as bait an outgrown it is a tried and true formula ever since VTuber become streaming content instead of premade videos. You say not Hololive but tend to forget who is Natsuiro Matsuri and many, many of her cohorts. The problem is some VTubers actually double down and get MORE lewd. Culminating with actual AVTuber becoming a thing now.
@@victoriazero8869 Matsuri is weird cuz she is not even trying to play or be sexual. She's just a degenerate like many of us, she's basically a degenerative fan, who is also a Vtuber. Marine is definitely trying to play into her sex obsessive character but most fans like her more as a depressive older sister auntie than a sex maniac
@@victoriazero8869 that's exactly what I said that hololive has something for everyone. Even Matsuri that is generally yabai still had decency with her model. The only one hololive member that just straight up "Coomerbait" is marine, but even that was played half jokingly and on a tasteful manner. But with Vshoujo it was like 90% coomerbait.
i am SO glad someone mentioned the idea that someone who sexualizes themselves can make them lose sex appeal. ive been thinking the exact same thing for a while in designing my own character, finally someone THINKS so!!! i havent heard anyone mention anything like that u_u i thought i was just crazy or something
Fauna has always striked me as an older sister type, of girl-next-door, she feels too young to be mommy. The only vtubers that makes me think "mommy" are Nina from NijiEN and Mio from HoloJP. That's it, they feel mature and experienced, they also very rarely become flustered.
With Nina (and kind of Mio, but I can't speak of her much because I have pretty much never watched her and 4chan hag love memes, might be pushing her more towards "mommy" in my mind) feels less like "mommy" and more like "mother" to me.
@@gokbay3057 i believe you're right, which means there really isn't a mommy (attractive, older than 30, domineering personality) in holo or niji, get to work guys, That's a big share of the market!
@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 You've never seen those clips of Mio being savage towards Subaru then huh xD Major Arcana #310 Big God Mion (yes that's their channel name) aka Major Arcana is a dedicated Mio clipper, he even translated Mio's yearly tarot card reading streams... Mio's tarot readings are notorious for being scarily accurate. Mio read Rushia's fortune, "think before reacting to bad stuff happening to you"... (paraphrasing) that was a month before Rushia was terminated. She also gave advice to Pekora to not ditch the "peko".
Fauna is my oshi i watch (listen) all her streams. I've never saw her as an overall mommy type, rather as a cool but kinda clumsy aunt that visit's from time to time. I just like her Voice it gives me a comfy feeling, but not in a mommy way, i cannot really describe it. If i have to describe the feeling fauna gives me... rather really cute i have the urge to cuddle her all the time (thats the only way i can describe it). Not in a sexual way or anything ive never had any desire to lewd her it just fells not right. The example with the cowkini was good, it felt rather cringe because Fauna is not lewd (most of the time). It felt like she was trying hardcore to be sexy because she saw a trend and hoppet on it. But i heard many people saying that she felt like a mommy, but not for me well maybe thats just me getting older (nearly 30). The only Vtuber i can think of that give me real mommy vibes is a small Indie Vtuber named Lucahjins.
For how many clips we saw of her in this video, I was really hoping I could hear nousagi's take on the Mio-mama. Like, how other members interact with her strengthens her mommy role. A bit of a missed opportunity maybe to not go to the streamer who gets mother day donations from fans (the clip was shown!)
I hope you get around to "the gremlin" archetype, aka "the shitposter". They're similar to the kusogaki, but they have a less smug aura to them. Mostly just angry & loud, & (usually) really wholesome.
Funny how this comes out after the video that was announcing the merch for the Hololive EN concert. There was a trivia question that asked which of the talents had the most motherly feel, and Fauna won by a PARSEC.
Fauna plays her onee-san chara up till now, and sometimes she feels competitive in matter of attractiveness, where tried the mommy aura, it didn't affect that much on her fame, but then her fans like her not because of her ara ara, so my conclusion, Fauna is mature onee-san, who's is mature enough to be a young mother
Another underrated vtuber mommy I HIGHLY recommend that's not just a shallow coomer horni bait is "Rui Amagami". She's a solo japanese vtuber that can speak both English and japanese so fluently that she can switch between them really smoothly. Due to her being full blood japanese but she was born and grew up in america. Especially by far, Rui's voice is the mommiest sounding voice I've heard so far. More on the older and deeper side of voice. And she does ASMR, positive affirmations and casual chatting stream without overly trying too hard to be a mommy type of vtuber. I highly recommend her ASMR videos and script reading videos that she does. I can't recommend her enough if someone's looking for an even older and mature type of mommy vtuber. 🙏
So this is what you meant when you didn't want to reveal anything on stream, excellent. This is truly your official return cause, oh my god, that was amazing. One last time, welcome back bro, hope you stay for a lot more time now. Nothing describes vtubers more than tropes I think, so having a series analyze every vtuber trope would be amazing. I want one on the gf next, pls.
I love her not because she's motherly, I love her because I'd want to be fatherly. If she's your mommy, I wanna be your daddy. Please don't read this Nina!
I can see where you’re coming from but i for one can’t see Fauna in the mommy category. She fits better with the Oneesan. Maybe that’s just me but it’s what I see.
Scarle Yonaguni: The mommy wasn't... Because she is a Hard working, Chaotic, fun, and all over the place Older sister... Who has Red Bull cans all over the place...
Seriously, having never had a caring mother figure in real life, this mommy thing has really helped me mentally. I know it's totally parasocial but the warmth and comfort they provide is something I've always been lacking. It's so nice to just hear someone who (pretends) to genuinely love and care for you. I can finally sleep in peace 😊
Your bit about VSHOJO hits the nail right on the head for me, and applies to a decent chunk of EN vtubing as well. I already find fanservice-y character models a red flag as it screams laziness by the company/vtuber, but save for Holo EN and Rosemi from Niji EN, the EN vtubing scene seems to be dominated by genitalia screamers judging from the clips YT recs me from VSHOJO, Niji EN and others.
I do love how everyone assumed that Scarle was going to be a “mommy” and ended up being the little sister that just went through a massive growth spurt due to her just being such an airhead. Kinda similar to Silver too.
Hmm... the mommy trope is that one trope that ID vtubing community are still struggling to make it work for ID audiences. Because for the general ID viewers, vtubers are comedians, not idols. Even when an ID person mention someone as their oshi, chance is they're looking at their oshi as the top comedian rather than the most comforting mommy of the bunch You can have have a model with amazing bods, wholesome attitude and have a comfy voice like Kaela for example (in which honestly, I think if Kaela's not an Indonesian, she could potentially be a good mommy type of vtuber among the EN market), and the ID folks will most likely still only see you as a comedian. It is really difficult to grab in ID viewers with this trope, even outside holo and niji, ID vtubers who use the trope are very... very few due to just how difficult it is to market the trope in Indonesia
To put a bit more context on why it's so easy for fauna, in her prvious life she was an RP Asmrtist so falling into a character is extremely natural to her. Although interestingly she rarely went into a Mommy character
ok so i know fauna wasn't serious with her cowkini thing. I just wanted to use it as an example to explain her sexual appeal uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 😭😭
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Loved the video, not sure if this is allowed but can you do a video about both tsunderes and the top bottom switch spectrum, I have a bone (not in that sense, god no in that sense) to pick with akuma nimune ( personally I think she is a bit problematic considering that the tropes she tries to do make her a bit toxic) would recommend Elly and juniper actias as contrasts, an analysis on what makes a community punching bag (good case Ashley Nicole’s, bad case onesion ), a possible collab with VIL (vtuber I love, which is the name of the youtubers channel) and how honesty makes all the difference from a good ol nagatorro and a toxic dress up darling. TLDR (though probably should) tsunderes and the top bottom switch spectrum is very interesting topic and I dislike numi abit. Hopefully this isn’t asking much of you and some of my suggestions might be that out there but I just want some insight on some things I’ve noticed on how the tsundere trope is getting exausted and it correlations to the top bottom switch spectrum.
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Fauna is the Oneesan who raised you when your parents died. Still young but very mature. The ultimate example of the genre.
Like Nani in Lilo & Stitch, I can see that.
wow you described it really well. i like that sentiment
Yor Briar?
Exactly this👍
That's an interesting way to see it
Fauna calling her fans "Saplings" also helps put her viewers into the Mommy mindset. She is also very wholesome about her speech, like how she refuses to curse for any reason. Remember her telling a childhood story of how she got that way.
Is there a clip of that?
Why doesn’t she wanna curse?
@@SunnyBlam maybe this?
ruclips.net/video/UFNKvNKRnI0/видео.html
For the story of Fauna and cursing, it's just she never picked up the habit of swearing and when she did swear one time in middle school she was so ashamed of herself she swore herself to never swear again
@@SunnyBlam There sure is. It is very wholesome. ruclips.net/video/UFNKvNKRnI0/видео.html
Broke: GF experience
Woke: Mommy experience
Ascended: Menhera stalking parasocial experience
> Check Nazuna
more like damnation
Inb4 "VTuber violently stalks male fan after he gives her a super chat that, according to her, made her fall in love."
So...phase connect is agency that specializes in ascended?
@@CyAA-ri2us let's add that to my list of shit that never will happen
@@walearr ascended, based all the same i guess lol
Fauna is the literal embodiment of Mother Nature, her character is top tier unironically
Fauna really set out to be Onee-san but Hololive knew she was a mommy.
A series on these tropes would definitely be good and interesting to talk about the loose connections solidifying people into them.
I think she falls in that range of being your older sister but the older sister that has taken care of you for years. The "it's my sister, but acts like your mom" trope.
Fauna : become sexy by not doing sexy things
Suichan : become sexy by not doing sexy things
Its all about supply and demand
Ngl Suisei lewds tend to be hotter due to the contrast of how she actually carry herself.
The dad: Calli
The mommy: Fauna
The auntie: Baelz
That weirdass uncle: Ame
The grandma: Marine
Its basically a family now.
I'd say Marine is an older sister rather than a grandma.
@@ImperialEmbers huffing the copium I see
No way, Bae is that younger cousin that makes you feel like the oldest person in the world even though you're only in your 20s
@@ResidentChef What does this mean?
@@nutshot_brawler8466 I agree.
Fauna appeals to my deep seeded mommy issues.
It's deep-seated. However, in the case of Fauna, I'll accept seeded here lol
No matter what we breath we stilll are made of seed, this is my kingdom come.
Like a certain cosplayer
I had separation issues with my mom as a toddler and ngl I think I would have been completely over my mommy issues had Fauna not come along LMAOOO
she pulled me RIGHT back in
@@HS-mn6jc But its so comfy in here
Nousagi somehow went from biology to an oedipus complex and yet still made me follow along without confusion
Just like jojos
Our favorite nousagi has returned
Always have been
Nope
Speak 4 urself
@@Ucj334esd He is. Also; numbers aren't words. And you need to learn better spelling.
@@lyravain6304 n0 h3 d0esn7
As a Sapling and hearing you mention Oedipus complex made me laugh. I see her more as a sister type.
As a fellow Sapling I totally agree, although there are some mommy vibes at times
Same with scarle.
The scarling all thought she a mommy
NAH she the goofiest big sister u can get.
I assure you this person cries when they don't see her.
Smh
@@RawBlue Yep. If we're going by the example given, it makes sense. No straight-up outward appearance at being assertively sexy all the time, but... there are situations, and very controlled when it happens.
@@WhosManIsThis We all thought that, but things changed after debut really quickly, and I love it.
I mean... You let Scarle cook, but sometimes you second guess that decision. 😅
As a sapling, it was mainly the green hair that attracted me to her. Green = best. After seeing her debut tho...From the motherly vibe, to the slight hint of yandere, and just the comfy voice and personality she gives, I'm happy to have given my support for her, from then to now and as long as she's around.
I'll also have you know that I've only cried 3 times today in wanting more Fauna. UUU.
normal for a sapling
Fauna's strongest sapling
@@Fanimati0n Fauna gives her longest wait times to her strongest saplings
You forgot a really important part of why people see Fauna as a mommy. She doesn't swear, even a little bit.
Not true, real saps know she swears in karaoke 😤😂 (on accident)
I remember Mumei being suprised when Fauna actually said "shut up" when talking about some video game character that annoyed her, saying she never heard her telling anyone to shut up
And considering that one Ender Dragon stream where she was basically the only organized one while everyone else was being chaoting (some by accident like Sana) the furthest she went was "No! Don't do it or I will be mad!"
Man, got high hopes that he’s gonna describe Mio-mama specifically, knowing that she do have motherly laugh, all streams are comfy, and not to mention always pamper both fans and holomems, and rarely shows sexual appeal (except the suspect dance, caught me off guard), should needed more attention 😔
For motherly, I still give it to Mio to be the best of all
A wise man once said, "if sexuality is all you can offer then it is all people want from you". Eventually they'll go looking for something else. In all vtuber group, I like Hololive the most because the talents are 'grounded'. There are rules and lines they cannot cross. Those rules are for the benefit of both the talents and viewers.
Very well put
I never could quite succinctly pin down Fauna's appeal, so I just sorta categorized her into the in-between space bridging the "mommy" and "mom-friend" archetypes.
Honestly, i can't see Fauna as a mommy trope anymore solely because her is such a memelord. the biggest reason i like fauna is because of her random dumb tangent. And she is not a normies memelord either, she is in the deepfried variety.
Ah yes, when Faunas Vibes and personality Collide With the fact that she has atleast more than 13+ years of Internet knowledge, memes and obscure things at that, the most random topics that come out without warning and a mindset best described as competitve.
Yeah like, if you actually watch her content, you realize she's the least seiso in the gen (besides maybe Sana, who is eternal). It's just that she is far more sophisticated than most with her innuendo and knows not to spam it. She is definitely on the older and "cultured" side of Holomems.
Yeah I always got more cultured dorky older sister type from her, she us really supportive of the saplings but has no issue bullying like and older sibling should, the biggest thing for me is she is WAY too cultured in a if you know you know kinda way, she is too close in age for me to consider mommy like her refrences always hit way to close to home like she just like me fr fr, she is a millennial who grew up in the golden age of the internet and is now a professional memelord
"solely because she's such a memelord"
That just enhances the mommy appeal for those of us who've been $#!tposting since before the Great Meme Wars
I’m glad Fauna is the thumbnail. In my opinion, she set a precedent for the archetype that basically everyone follows nowadays.
(I’m not saying that she made it, just that everyone follows what she does)
“Her thighs and her feet are a bit yabai”, what a line
I wouldn't say that, if anything she's an outlier in the "mommy VTuber" scene
Rest assured. Fauna does and will pull out a mommy style "Ara Ara" when the need arises. Kobo in her birthday stream recieved the full force of Fauna's "Ara Ara" and Kobo freaked out when it hit and after Fauna left the stream.
I don't see Fauna as a mommy she's like the EN version of Watame, a comfortable fluffy pillow friend, her cowkini period was hilarious because it's so out of character but you could tell she's passionate about cowkinis for some reason, it's "adorkable", like Watame who WANTS to be sexy but her fans won't let her, these two girls are too pure they can't lewd themselves even if they tried.
I know Fauna won the EN mommy poll by a landslide, probably because EN doesn't have one, but i think the most mom member of Hololive is Choco, purposely putting on the onesan voice, always cooking for other members, giving the impression of a well maintained home (famous for her luxury bed), having that character design and teasing viewers, I'll agree with Mio cus she's so insanely wholesome and supportive of her friends.
The hololive EN mommy is Kiara, maybe because she is the older one (maybe), life experience, emotional, and she has done well the mamá role play with Kobo.
Fauna is more like an onesan like Ina and sana
Watame would be a Mommy if it weren't for her massive eyes and cute baby shaped head
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 I see Kiara as euro genki mixed with crazy cat lady :P
I think Mio is the most mom-like Holomem, even Holomems call her mama. Choco-sensei is actually more like that oneesan who is reliable but also has her immature moments. She has the tendency of doing things she likes obsessively to the point where it's too much. The woman literally ginded endermen to the point she got to lvl 300+ "just because", then lost those levels "just because", then grinded endermen again to level 504... "Just because." She's the only Holomem (other than Sora maybe) that Pekora _really_ didn't wanna kill, coz she felt so guilty of the thought that Choco-sensei will lose 500 levels because of her. Choco-sensei weaponized that guilt and trolled Pekora hard lmao
Fauna really portays that motherly vtuber trope very well. Both in model and in voice, plus is goes with her character. Seeing as to how she's known as mother nature.
Saplings are just all wholesome, it's incredible. It feels like you took every nice human on the planet and put them all in a chat
Wholesome, yet h0rny... Sounds like the Takodachis, but less into the 4th WAH.
I may or may not have both Ina and Fauna as an Oshi. 😅
@@SelecaoOfMidas It happens that i may be in the same case
Just that Ina is not streaming much lately so i only watch Fauna
and i don't feel like Saplings are THAT horny
@@yokami_9408 I think Sapplings are a special type of horny, less in a lewd way and more in a "we wanna hug her so bad"
@@husariuspl117 i think this description is pretty accurate xD
Favorite Vtuber archetype fr fr. I like both the horny curvy mommys and the warm supportive mommies. Honestly, my favorite right now is an indie named Sasin who, washboard tan abs nonwithstanding, isn't really that sexual.
But her being a mother and elementary school teacher in real life makes her streams feel so relaxing and inviting to be a part of. Especially when her voice is smooth as butter. You can just feel the supportiveness from Harpy Dragon Mom.
Well, you were right, this is certainly a topic that REALLY caught me off guard
This isn't what I was referring to on stream hehe. Its way worse.
The way you describe Fauna and Saplings' relationship, it reminds me of Suisei and Stargazers' one. The Vtuber not playing into some trait makes the fans want it way more. A different trait, but a similar effect.
Talking about the mommy trope with that specific monogatari soundtrack is making my brain loose some braincells lol. Thanks for the very infomative video Nousagi
The legend has returned, welcome back king
I really hope this "VTuber Tropes" becomes a series! Am subscribing on that hope!
Ok here is a hot-take. I am a sapling with all my heart and I love the soft spoken Fauna, but when she used her deep voice while playing the CouncilRyS RPG, I think my panties got wetter than ever before. I dont usually look at her in a seiso way, but more in a kinda motherly way, but THAT DEEP VOICE BROKE ME
Yaaaaaaaay~ More Nousagi content! :D
This is super interesting. I never really tried to analyse the parallels between Vtubers and anime, and even then I usually rely on my own intuition, so having it put into words I can agree or disagree with is a great idea. Looking forward to this series!
I really didn't expect much form this vid, but you articulated this so well, I really can't fault you on any of it. Thank you for this down to earth explanation of this trope.
6:12 I knew this was coming, I was patiently waiting for it since the start of the video.
So glad you're back, missed your content
Great video. For some reason though, when I think about someone hearing "the mommy market is oversaturated" out of context I can't help but laugh.
Thank you for making this
mommy is very well beloved and appreciated everywhere all over the world.
I think Fauna coes off as a mommy because in real life she probably gives off that feeling even without the anime avatar attached, and it's hard to overwrite your base characteristics
Dude... You are the only person on the entire internet that can make a vid unironicaly analysing fucking MOMMIES in the VTuber industry and I would not only watch it, not only listen to it but be invested in it. Mommies aren't my fav archetype but thanks to this, I might start to appreciate (some of) them a bit more. I missed you mate, your takes are some of the best I've seen on RUclips in a minute. Also I'd say Nina and Fauna are the absolutely best representation of this archetype, but I'd say Nina does it a little better, with her not being all coomer bait, yet all her fans and colleges keep calling her mom (If Fauna didn't do the cowkiny thing I'd say she would be the best representative of this archetype)... The fuck have I written... YOU DID THIS
Ame has "cool aunt" or "responsible much older sister" qualities. Protective and Caring, but not motherly or "onee-san" tropes.
Man I wish my cool aunt uses gamer words.
My bet is Ame is gonna fall into the heart category which makes a lot of sense
Historians studying this piece of history then writing in their thesis "In Image 1.1 we can see one of the many "Png-Tubers" of the 21th century , the video in question is of said "Png-tuber" disscussing of the trope known as the "mommy trope within the culture of "Vtubing"
21th century? Don't you mean "21st century"?
Yooo Chad Nousagi is back! AND the vid has my oshi in it! God I love Fauna!
She's like an in-between of the mommy and onee-san trope, and my honest to God opinion is that her NOT leaning towards the sexual stuff is why she's my oshi. You feel safe and calm in her streams no matter what's happening, and too often mommy-type vtubers end up breaking that safe calm vibe to get a sex joke in there somewhere which takes away from the overall experience.
I lean towards Fauna being an onee-san, but i completely see why lots of saplings - and even Holomyth themselves - see her as a mommy.
TBH, the more I watched of here, the less I thought of her as “mommy vtuber.” Now I just think she’s an absolute memelord and “just like me frfr.”
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I MISS HER!!
I was worried for a sec when you said it can get boring real quick with a picture of Fauna in the background. I'm glad to see you appreciate Fauna as well, I feel she's heavily underrated. Honestly coomer bait does the exact opposite for me of what it's trying to accomplish and you said that very well here. Bravo!
Man mommy chubbas are the best. Nina and Fauna streams are so comfy you can put them on whenever and chill
That's why Kronii is my Oshi she is one of a Kind.
In Paper she is a Narcissist who loves herself and no one else and bounces off with chat in a Comedic relationship.
During Girls collabs she is mostly the Bottom of the Joke and is constantly being Bullied and gets her work cut out for her and loses.
During Male collabs she is the Opposite and is the one Dominating and make the Boys look like the Jokes.
There are probably more but yeah these are the reason why Kronii is my Oshi
Unless she is in a holosalt Collab then she owns the stream and everyone will fall to the clock
Edit: results of me replying before I finished reading the comment lol
I like Kronii due to her unreal gap moe between her narcissistic character and her bottom rung self esteem reality
Kronii is honestly such a gem. She bullies, she gets bullied, but it's also hilarious how Japanese Hololive members absolutely adore her despite her Japanese speaking skills. That's another thing too, she knows how to pronounce Japanese words as if she's an S-tier voice actress, but when it comes to actually conversing with other people, she struggles since she's not fluent. She's just perfect.
Kronii is "mommy" just by model and voice
@@shocksword6847 yeah man Kronii is indeed special, it's always exciting to watch her streams or see Dozens of Clips made for her since majority of the time you will discover something thing new and funny and still stick to her Schtick. Was worried shitless during her Surgery since from my research she shouldn't even be talking let alone Fly to Japan to perform lol I just hope she ain't pushing herself too much.
THE MOMMY
Me: I'm into that shit
I really do think that one of the things that turns me off about a lot of Vtubers is the over-sexualization. Vshojo is by and large just the largest corpo where this can be seen among many of it's talents. I've tried to check out all of them because I love Ironmouse so much but honestly none of the others do it for me at all. Even Kson who I normally like has gone down a more sexualized path that I'm simply not interested in. I see so many independent Vtubers out there with incredibly lewd models and of course all the content you see from many of them is also lewd so even if there IS more to them that's the first impression that's put out there. For whatever reason, I just keep getting pushed back towards Hololive and their talents overall because they strike a better balance of cuteness with only a touch of the yabai. Hololive clips also almost always focus on funny situations or moments which to me is just more entertaining on the whole. Obviously, everyone has their own personal tastes and thankfully there are so many Vtubers nowadays that you're bound to find at least a few that fit what you're into.
Yep, Vshoujo is basically a borderline camgirls org now besides mouse. And i like mouse in tangent because i like CDawgVA. There is no other spectrum in Vshoujo, since too much freedom is not necessarily good. With hololive there is something for everyone.
@@GranMaj Yup, myself i call them Vthots. The only one i have any form of respect for is Mouse, she's been through enough to have that strong... idk "wisdom" side to her?
VTubers using sex as bait an outgrown it is a tried and true formula ever since VTuber become streaming content instead of premade videos. You say not Hololive but tend to forget who is Natsuiro Matsuri and many, many of her cohorts. The problem is some VTubers actually double down and get MORE lewd. Culminating with actual AVTuber becoming a thing now.
@@victoriazero8869 Matsuri is weird cuz she is not even trying to play or be sexual. She's just a degenerate like many of us, she's basically a degenerative fan, who is also a Vtuber. Marine is definitely trying to play into her sex obsessive character but most fans like her more as a depressive older sister auntie than a sex maniac
@@victoriazero8869 that's exactly what I said that hololive has something for everyone. Even Matsuri that is generally yabai still had decency with her model. The only one hololive member that just straight up "Coomerbait" is marine, but even that was played half jokingly and on a tasteful manner. But with Vshoujo it was like 90% coomerbait.
I see Fauna as an Onee-san that recently became a young mother.
Who doesn't wanna hear their mommy telling boomer memes and string theories while brutally killing people in Hitman with a soothing voice huh?
I love Nina
@@ThePontiffofPonWolf me too but this post was about fauna
i am SO glad someone mentioned the idea that someone who sexualizes themselves can make them lose sex appeal. ive been thinking the exact same thing for a while in designing my own character, finally someone THINKS so!!! i havent heard anyone mention anything like that u_u i thought i was just crazy or something
Fauna has always striked me as an older sister type, of girl-next-door, she feels too young to be mommy.
The only vtubers that makes me think "mommy" are Nina from NijiEN and Mio from HoloJP. That's it, they feel mature and experienced, they also very rarely become flustered.
With Nina (and kind of Mio, but I can't speak of her much because I have pretty much never watched her and 4chan hag love memes, might be pushing her more towards "mommy" in my mind) feels less like "mommy" and more like "mother" to me.
@@gokbay3057 i believe you're right, which means there really isn't a mommy (attractive, older than 30, domineering personality) in holo or niji, get to work guys, That's a big share of the market!
@@pedrofelipefreitas2666 You've never seen those clips of Mio being savage towards Subaru then huh xD
Major Arcana #310 Big God Mion (yes that's their channel name) aka Major Arcana is a dedicated Mio clipper, he even translated Mio's yearly tarot card reading streams... Mio's tarot readings are notorious for being scarily accurate. Mio read Rushia's fortune, "think before reacting to bad stuff happening to you"... (paraphrasing) that was a month before Rushia was terminated. She also gave advice to Pekora to not ditch the "peko".
Fauna is my oshi i watch (listen) all her streams.
I've never saw her as an overall mommy type, rather as a cool but kinda clumsy aunt that visit's from time to time.
I just like her Voice it gives me a comfy feeling, but not in a mommy way, i cannot really describe it.
If i have to describe the feeling fauna gives me... rather really cute i have the urge to cuddle her all the time (thats the only way i can describe it).
Not in a sexual way or anything ive never had any desire to lewd her it just fells not right.
The example with the cowkini was good, it felt rather cringe because Fauna is not lewd (most of the time).
It felt like she was trying hardcore to be sexy because she saw a trend and hoppet on it.
But i heard many people saying that she felt like a mommy, but not for me well maybe thats just me getting older (nearly 30).
The only Vtuber i can think of that give me real mommy vibes is a small Indie Vtuber named Lucahjins.
Loving this new type of video and glad to see our favorite nousagi is back in business!
5:45 !!!!! Our Tenshi - Nene Amano !!! Cloudtomo represent
"what you might not know if you don't have mother that love you"
Daym! Ez Trashtalk 🤣🤣🤣
That stray bullet may have killed a lot 😂
Ooh! Is this gunna be a new series? Really cool!
Nice to see you back DN.
For how many clips we saw of her in this video, I was really hoping I could hear nousagi's take on the Mio-mama. Like, how other members interact with her strengthens her mommy role. A bit of a missed opportunity maybe to not go to the streamer who gets mother day donations from fans (the clip was shown!)
Fr tho, got really high hopes for that 😔
Ngl, half way through, I thought nousagi was talking about mio
5:42 Woah man, straight for the throat on that one
I hope you get around to "the gremlin" archetype, aka "the shitposter".
They're similar to the kusogaki, but they have a less smug aura to them. Mostly just angry & loud, & (usually) really wholesome.
you mean ame
@@Dragonbeander Ame, Mumei, Kronii to some extent, Enna, most of PhaseConnect. & That's just who I know of.
I would include Kobo in there as well.
I'd add Ironmouse to the Gremlin list, lmao.
Baelz
Funny how this comes out after the video that was announcing the merch for the Hololive EN concert.
There was a trivia question that asked which of the talents had the most motherly feel, and Fauna won by a PARSEC.
Fauna plays her onee-san chara up till now, and sometimes she feels competitive in matter of attractiveness, where tried the mommy aura, it didn't affect that much on her fame, but then her fans like her not because of her ara ara, so my conclusion, Fauna is mature onee-san, who's is mature enough to be a young mother
Another underrated vtuber mommy I HIGHLY recommend that's not just a shallow coomer horni bait is "Rui Amagami". She's a solo japanese vtuber that can speak both English and japanese so fluently that she can switch between them really smoothly. Due to her being full blood japanese but she was born and grew up in america.
Especially by far, Rui's voice is the mommiest sounding voice I've heard so far. More on the older and deeper side of voice. And she does ASMR, positive affirmations and casual chatting stream without overly trying too hard to be a mommy type of vtuber. I highly recommend her ASMR videos and script reading videos that she does.
I can't recommend her enough if someone's looking for an even older and mature type of mommy vtuber. 🙏
So this is what you meant when you didn't want to reveal anything on stream, excellent. This is truly your official return cause, oh my god, that was amazing. One last time, welcome back bro, hope you stay for a lot more time now.
Nothing describes vtubers more than tropes I think, so having a series analyze every vtuber trope would be amazing. I want one on the gf next, pls.
Ah yes my favorite subject
Man you're demanding too much lol
That cowkini was great.
100% real
Definitly not a cardboard cutout
Wasn’t expecting to hear DN explaining the biological effects of childbirth, but here we are
God, I love Nina Kosaka.
I love her not because she's motherly, I love her because I'd want to be fatherly. If she's your mommy, I wanna be your daddy.
Please don't read this Nina!
I can see where you’re coming from but i for one can’t see Fauna in the mommy category. She fits better with the Oneesan. Maybe that’s just me but it’s what I see.
Man I love MIL- I mean Mommy type of characters.
new background looks amazing
Scarle Yonaguni: The mommy wasn't... Because she is a Hard working, Chaotic, fun, and all over the place Older sister...
Who has Red Bull cans all over the place...
Vshojo leaned way too hard into the lewd bit. At this point they're just the e-brothel.
Next Episode: The Yandere Trope
This unironically has the potential to be an interesting series. Can’t wait for an episode centered on the “kusogaki.”
The Return
of the King
Ookami Mio walked so Ceres Fauna could run
Seriously, having never had a caring mother figure in real life, this mommy thing has really helped me mentally. I know it's totally parasocial but the warmth and comfort they provide is something I've always been lacking. It's so nice to just hear someone who (pretends) to genuinely love and care for you. I can finally sleep in peace 😊
Looking forward to the seiso and comedian vids
Petition to include a Chisaka Airi segment in the seiso vid
i have no idea how you can say this stuff straight, i was laughing the entire way bro
that fanfic at 10:05 was truly one of the pieces of literature of all time.
This series is going to be a wild ride. Wew!
new DN video is a massive W
"Monumental mammaries" LMAO
OUR BOY IS BACK!!!
Your bit about VSHOJO hits the nail right on the head for me, and applies to a decent chunk of EN vtubing as well. I already find fanservice-y character models a red flag as it screams laziness by the company/vtuber, but save for Holo EN and Rosemi from Niji EN, the EN vtubing scene seems to be dominated by genitalia screamers judging from the clips YT recs me from VSHOJO, Niji EN and others.
I do love how everyone assumed that Scarle was going to be a “mommy” and ended up being the little sister that just went through a massive growth spurt due to her just being such an airhead. Kinda similar to Silver too.
Fauna : I am an oneesan
Sapling : you are mommy
*Fauna become mommy
Calli : I am your boi mori
Deadbeat : you are our dad
*Calli become dad
there are a lot of mommy's and not enough daddy's, from now on, this depressed rabbit is going to be my dad
Off topic, but the background looks clean af
4:40 you pretty much described Twitch ethots with Vtuber avatars pretty damn well.
Welcome back, Nousagi!
*Mommy: one who is thousands year mythical figure while some are high school student who has wolf ears*
Why... why is this somehow Educational and Entertaining its not a shitpost? Goddamn
Hmm... the mommy trope is that one trope that ID vtubing community are still struggling to make it work for ID audiences. Because for the general ID viewers, vtubers are comedians, not idols. Even when an ID person mention someone as their oshi, chance is they're looking at their oshi as the top comedian rather than the most comforting mommy of the bunch
You can have have a model with amazing bods, wholesome attitude and have a comfy voice like Kaela for example (in which honestly, I think if Kaela's not an Indonesian, she could potentially be a good mommy type of vtuber among the EN market), and the ID folks will most likely still only see you as a comedian. It is really difficult to grab in ID viewers with this trope, even outside holo and niji, ID vtubers who use the trope are very... very few due to just how difficult it is to market the trope in Indonesia
To put a bit more context on why it's so easy for fauna, in her prvious life she was an RP Asmrtist so falling into a character is extremely natural to her. Although interestingly she rarely went into a Mommy character
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