@@VincetagramThe funny thing is I’ve loved Alfa since I played Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 when I was around 9 and I’ve wanted a Qv since it came out. I do agree the GTA and GTAM are a lil overpriced but something like a QV Nurburgring or even just a regular QV is def a bang for your buck
I live in west Texas, easily one of the highest amounts of trucks on the road and he hit the nail on the head with raptor and TRX trucks. The real farmers, road workers, construction and ranch hands are running around in base model trucks getting work done. All the middle class lawyers, company men, and oilfield higher ups have the performance pickups that they never off road but they want to feel manly. It is 100% insecurity driven.
@@postalpancho facts lol. If you call a landscaper, he probably doesn’t even need a half ton truck and might even tow his equipment with a tacoma or ranger, dudes that haul or do other heavy duty work are buying base spec 2500s and f250s, maybe even w/ a single cab/long bed or without a bed at all and modifying the rear end for their business and the guys going offroad usually don’t wanna damage a $150k truck themselves so they’re actually building them off lower trim f150s and the likes into something that fits their budget and if they have ram trx money they’re building something even better on the same budget lol.
@@VincetagramCorrect on the “building something better” part especially. I think the TRX is for those that want to buy performance vs build fs. Those that have some use for a tray, want to haul some ass and likes to sit high. I wouldn’t say it’s all about ego or insecurity, but they’re insane for throwing that kinda money at it. Then again, building up to that kinda performance could mess up reliability and likely void your warranty (the ONLY upside to buying a TRX/other performance pickup stock)
@@Vincetagram I see quite a few Alfas around town - mostly regular degular schmegular Guilia models. They seem to be the broccoli head, hypebeast ride. Cool car, but if I was the leasing every 3 years type, I might cop one - definately not buying!
I laughed entiredly too loud when you went on your TRX rant because I drive by a few homes every day with a couple TRXs and one of the owners is a software engineer who works from home and in his own words," bought the truck because it looked cool and have no intentions of offroading it tf I look like fcking it up and having my insurance and my wife eat me alive" lol
I don't understand people that talk about owners that wont take their 100k truck off road. Why are G-wagons never brought up in this regard? Much more capable and purpose built for off-roading
@@mfgooze2915 haha I’ve taken a lifted 4x4 conversion g wagon off road before, and in driving it on road I learned that it actually sucks as a daily. And yeah you’re right. Those were basically the german jeep originally built for military purposes and the modern ones are honestly more capable offroad than MOST american pickup trucks esp once you put them on a nice lift kit. I’ve seen some sick g wagon builds and there are companies that build and restore old g wagons with lift kits, portal axles, fully reupholstered interiors, etc. that are off road capable, but most of the g wagon owner population would have been better off with a GLE550 or gle63. Those lose a lot of the modularity and offroad capability of the g wagon but are much more comfortable for the avg luxury car buyer but ppl like the IDEA of g wagon ownership so much lol.
Because the only real use case of a truck is to do truck things. For the price they have crappy interiors, ride and handle like ass, and the only thing ever put in the bed is grocery's. Bought by people who wanted something bit to put a bunch of chrome on to stand out and compensate. A G-wagon is not brought up in the same regard because it's a really nice truck to drive overall. The interior is nice, the ride is nice, and it delivers the feeling of a bank vault in a way an American truck anything can't.
@@tv321123 A Denali or Laramie Longhorn are basically just luxury vehicles with a truck bed. These aren't the old barebones trucks of the 90s and if people want something like that they can buy a F150 XL. G-wagons just started having a "nice ride" with the facelift models, drive an older one and you will clearly feel the ruggedness and off road capabilities with the solid axles. If every pickup truck needs to be full of plywood and cement then every G-wagon needs to go see some trails
@@wafzy looking at how the first round of z06 and stingray allocations went, I doubt anyone’s getting a zr1 for less than a GTA at least for the first cpl years.
lol these fake alfa fanboys.... anyways, the GTA series is basically just a GT3 with 4 doors. no real alfa fanboy ACTUALLY LIKES the GTA or GTAm, unless you are a collector. anyway you will LOVE the Giulia. anyways, Italian brands dont wanna update anything unless they absolutely HAVE to.
I mean my dad has a 2017 Tundra but we don't go offroad all that much but we do go to hardware stores sometimes so in situations like those I'd say it's fine to have a truck But ppl are out here paying 150k for a truck that will never see the light of day that's wild to me 💀💀💀
@@kb0x haha my dad has a 1500 limited and he used the height adjustable suspension for the first time ever this past summer to raise the truck and get through high waters when it flooded and we were so geeked lol.
As a m4 gts owner the difference from my f82 fully loaded comp m4 to the m4 gts is equivalent to the jump between a 435i and a loaded m4. So many unique components of this car it is probably the most undervalued modern car imo. I mean ffs it was faster then the 911 gt3 rs of the same time period. The launch was awful I will 100% admit from all the cars still having the suspension spacers on (many to this day still have them on even though the technical guide shows you how to remove them). To people speculating on them when they released, many of them sold for insane overs while already having an aggressive msrp (the largest overs I've seen paid for one was identical to the msrp). I mean most of the NA cars still have the wings on backwards like they had to for delivery purposes in NA (the technical guide suggests you need the racing risers and endplates but it wasn't legal to be sold like that) Also the msrp really isnt that insane, my daily loaded m4 zcp has a sticker of 90 something. Factor in all the carbon panels on this car, the unique billet knuckles that are over 5k each. The bespoke KW partnership that kw went on from to release their v4 setup. The upgraded chassis for a roll cage that actually adds structure to the vehicle. Carbon ceramic brakes and then the water injection system which not only is cool as fuck but makes the car run so low on temps and is a huge homage to the history of bmw and their water injection systems used in ww2. I could go on and on and I'll have to actually film a video of me comparing a loaded m4, the m4 gts and a 991 gt3 rs but idk when I'll make a car channel.
Yeah don't get me wrong, the GTS is an incredible drive, however I'd have to disagree with you on the 435i analogy. Someone paid 2x over sticker for a GTS?! Now that's insane. I seriously thought the most outlandish list price on one of these was 150k and I still had no clue if it actually sold for that. Honestly an m4 gts vs gt3rs comparison would be a video I'd watch, do it!
@@lakeelmpine5351 they’re mor certainly capable and can do what they claim, it’s just that the owners don’t ever put them to the test and don’t really need the capabilities. I think if everyone were honest with themselves about what they need in a daily driver people would either have a wagon/hatch, a coupe, or a minivan. Everything else is either a luxury or a work vehicle.
@ I feel you, mine is the m113k cls55 . The whole infotainment unit still works 😂. I put in a nav tablet for CarPlay that just sticks to the windshield but I’ll still use the original unit just for kicks sometimes just feels right
@@MilesSomerville wow that really has become a trend😂 whelp, can’t stop it now. Currently writing the script for the next one about the zr1, I’ve gotta somehow work the e92 in lol
m4 gts pros & cons pros: 700 units worldwide s55 with water injection+added horsepower: weight reduction: have nice oled headlight: cons value drop maybe? A new BMW M4 depreciates by 50.6% after five years. The luxury sports car category, which the BMW M4 belongs to, loses 32.5% of its value after five years. The current climate and the reception to the GTS may have impacted the car's residuals. However, the car's rarity and status may help to secure its value in the long term. -it is also expensive at that time.
plus did m4 dtm champ edition also not worth buying?please consider m4 dtm have 200 units worldwide same engine and transmission as gts different body styling added sticker.😅
You’re not lying. That would have been the first non-bespoke car with a ferrari motor. I don’t think that would have been true to alfa though. I think it would have needed a stroked or bored out engine that revs higher and sounds better, and 2 less doors.
😅 my dad is that truck guy!! You're 100% right! As for the rest, getting a fast car for big $ is nice but not impressive. A budget speed machine is really hard. In Finland they have car races where the car by rules can't cost more than $500, and anyone there can buy it off you. A $500 speedster is really hard!
@@thebigb1286 wait do people drive pickups in finland?! Also we do something similar here. You guys might do it in Finland as well but in 24 hours of LeMons, your budget is $500, and you have to race the car for 24 hours, but usually the objective isn’t crossing the finish line first, it’s just doing the most laps because the cars are absolute shitboxes and don’t make it through the entire 24hrs😂
The alpha Romeo brera is by far the sexiest hatchback am just sad we didn't get the earlier models on our side of the pond it's the only hatchback I like
All I'm gonna say is, Alfa would be so much cooler if they had a manual option in the States for their Giulia, even if it was only for the Quadrifoglio trim
I’ve always hated how the guilia looked but the GTAM makes it looks better imo but at $250k these people just tryna be different & comparing it to a G chassis m4 or m3 is just hilarious
@@Blankhspec wow that’s a first. You might be the only person I know that doesn’t think a giulia looks good. But yeah saying a GTA or GTAm is better than an m3 or m4, even the limited models is a moot point. It fucking better be😂
Alot of People really out here complaining about the economy but have 500-1200 car payments 😆 go to a dealership test drive a fast car get it out of your system but never go into debt for a depreciating asset
@@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156 Yeah, but if you want a new car these days especially as a young person with minimal credit history you’re gonna end up with at least a $350/mo payment these days the way interest rates are. That being said I think ppl my age with less than 10k to their name and shitty credit should be buying cars that they can pay for outright and just ride the wheels off that thing. Can’t tell you how many of my peers I saw buying $20-30k cars with dealership financing in college with INSANE payments. Mfs be paying $500 a month on a fucking new base hyundai then brag about it on social media talking about “adulting”🤡
@Vincetagram Exactly it's insane, 500 a month for a yeah is 6k there bmw wagons, Miata, sx240s and so many other good drivers cars for cheap. And those payments are still paying off the principal 😂 Getting a good cheap car with cash and driving into oblivion with maintenance of course is the best move because it's the simplest move. People really don't realize how much money they truly make it's actually alot but lifestyle creep is real can't be trying to keep up with the Joneses it's got to be on your time. Thats why I like test driving nice cars I can't afford, gives me motivation to work harder to buy it outright in cash. I'm basically tricking myself to save money 😂
Ran into your recomendations from bingeing Drewpeacock rice or nice vids. within just 5 minutes i already loved what i was hearing and subbed to you. (Pause)
Feel thet truck rant. The dudes who actually need the trucks for work are getting the lower end F250 and 350/2500 and 3500 cause it gets the job done and is gonna be thrashed at 120k. Never seen someone who actually does serious towing or work on construction sites in a truck with more than leather seats and remote start assuming theyre not using a late 90s early 2000s F150 or ranger
facts, I used to work at an exotic car dealership that also used to deal in fleet vehicles. We were moving more ram TRXs than any dodge dealership in the state at one point and most of those buyers were suburban dads and basketball players while the most popular work trucks were crew cab 2500hd silverados with a service body and single cab long bed 1500s.
My Turo verdict after renting a well maintained 120,000 mile Giulia Ti with body damage all over the place but zero mechanical issues versus a 45,000 mile 4-series on crappy tires from the same exact guy: I would sooner buy two $20,000 used Giulia's than one $30,000 4-series every single time. Multiple reasons for this, but the most important is that listening to how the Alfa's infotainment pronounces city names is absolutely hysterical! Seriously, have it read out loud an address in San Antonio. It has a stroke half way through reading it 🤣 Also there's a reason a 2014 F-150 is reasonably priced: Those engines are flaming gutter trash.
@@lucasokeefe7935 lol I use carplay on everything that has it so OEM navigation system pronunciation is almost irrelevant imo. But trim for trim, you really would take a giulia over a 3/4 series?
@@Vincetagram For the model years that I drove, I honestly would. They were 2016 for the BMW and 2018 for the Giulia. Something about the interior aesthetic on the Giulia seems nicer to me, I really didn't like how the BMW would chirp its tires when I wasn't even trying to get it to (probably due to crappy tires, but still). Brakes seem a to have a lot more initial bite than the BMW, which I liked. I'm not one to really use or even look at infotainment while I'm moving, so the UI interface doesn't matter as much to me, and I just feel like the Giulia has a nicer mix of road feel and comfort. Fun "drivers car" versus OCD businessmobile. My one complaint was that it is soooo hard to figure out where that front panel is going end up, which probably explains all the body damage on the one I rented.
@ that's honestly a fair take. I think the dashboard and center console were laid out much better in the giulia. I think the e9x 3 series interior was a better design than the f3x 3/4 series, and I was about to say that the e90 might have had a better interior than the alfa 159(giulia predecessor) but I just googled the alfa 159 interior and realized that it also had a nicer interior(or at least a better looking one). Damn alfa's interior guys were on it for sure!
@ and maybe you'll agree with me on this, but I think the bmws most definitely had better infotainment though. I think the mid-late 2010s bmw iDrive was the best infotainment of any car of that era.
@ Oh for sure the BMW infotainment is/was better, but like you said when everything is controlled by apples and robots these days the OEM design is moot. In the used market tt's also a choice between great infotainment with a leaky powertrain or a crap infotainment with arguably the best powertrain Alfa has ever produced.
I feel that, personally I wouldn't spend that much on an e92 either, but if you want something that's gonna be as clean as most of these M3 GTS are, that 60-70k range is gonna give you a pretty low mileage car that reflects the condition of most of these e92 GTS cars.
Having a Alfa Romeo Giulia, it’s a nice sporty car. But the QV version and even the GTAM are like the worse of the sports sedans. Like the M cars just are made specifically for performance, unlike the Giulia. The Alfa is fun but is definitely the underdog or worst of the batch of luxury sports sedans
@ don’t get me wrong the QV stock vs stock most German cars would beat it, but a decently modified QV can hold its own. It’s just an alternative to having a M or AMG, but stock for stock, Ms are likely faster. A QV Giulia is a lot of fun, definitely worth 50-60k or less. But paying 70k+ for one would be a waste at that point.
Wouldn't have a problem with truck drivers if majority werent so obnoxious on the road. The one's that aren't are usually towing stuff lol. Second worst is the SUV moms running you over to get Billy and Mandy to and from daycare.
The gta and gtam were not us legal so you're most likely not going to see one for at least another 18-22 years in the US. They also came with a custom race suit and track time in Italy. I don't see bmw doing that any time soon with a m3cs. If you want that experience there happy to sell you one of there 2 million dollar race cars.😆
haha yep, and the year before they were $300k. I remember being on vacation with family seeing one sitting on the lot listed at $300k saying "watch they'll be 180k next year"
Does nobody realise who actually designed & engineered the Alfa? That car is basically a 4 door Ferrari/Maserati with Alfa branding. And me stating a fact doesnt make me a fanboy lol.
@@keyser_söze23 their designer has worked for maserati in the past as well as lancia but at the time that the giulia was being developed, pininfarina was still designing cars for ferrari.
@Vincetagram Pininfarina left Ferrari in 2012, the F12Belinetta was the last car. The Alfa was unveiled in 2015, released in 2016. The car had a very, very short development period.
@ oh dang, totally forgot. Even still, Marco Tencone, the lead designer who worked on the Giulia has never designed a Ferrari. You can certainly see the maserati alfieri influence in his early giulia drawings though.
@Vincetagram I agree about Marco....but he wasn't alone, people who had just left or were about to leave Ferrari, worked on the Giulia. A basic search reveals this.
The Alfa Romeo GTAm is definitely overpriced as a MF. But that is my dream car, imo it’s the most beautiful sports sedan EVER made (the GTAm, not the regular Giulia), even if it’s severely underpowered.
So gtam is a straight competition to m4csl and its basically better at many things, if you want to pay less you can buy a standard one for 80k. The problem with these videos is that the guy talks very much but didnt actually drive any of those cars so really doesent have clue of what these cars really drive. If he just compares base data a modded 340 can be faster than a bugatti but whats the point. Im not gonna talk bout his taste for me the alfa is way nicer than the gt3 and the m4csl. Also to prove my point hes making a point how a 911 gt3 is the holy grail and should be at the alfa price, well the 911 has a whole chasis to compensate for the bad engine placement and a gt4 rs is better balanced but if he just compares cars from videos he might not know that.
so the thing is I literally said I've driven every car in this video except the GTA and GTAm. Then here you go taking words out of my mouth and missing the entire point. I used the 911 gt3 solely as a price competitor, if the GTA and GTAm are an M4 CSL competitor(which they're really a straight competitor to the older M4 GTS like I said) and in reality, they're more or less an FBO giulia, then they certainly don't hold a candle to a gt3 which I have driven and no way you're trying to compare any version of a giulia to that, which is why I said they shouldn't cost more than a GT3 did new at the time. But if you didn't pay attention literally at all you might not know that/
@@Vincetagram Sure, my point was mostly to say that youre saying you would choose lets say an m8 over a gtam and thats why i siad you dont drive cars, bcs its like someone would say why buy an small rs3 whem you can get a s5 maybe even s6 in a similar price. And yes you can but the rs3 is a whole better drivers car. My reference to the csl was bcs of you saying its too expensive when the csl costs basically the same( and no gtam is definitely in csl space, it came out earlier but its a level above the gts), so its not really anything special its just priced as its competitor. Also comparing used cars to new cars misses the whole point. They are cheaper not only because of depreciation, but when someone uses these cars your brakes, tires, clutch and other components are closer to replacement which also costs a lot. And its just no a new car, its like buying a used hoodie its not the same. So comparing this doesent make much sense sure you can buy a used beat aventador cheaper than a brand new evo not its not like you can buy a used evo even cheaper.
@@AMNEZ6 ok, well then take the M8 out of the comparison, actually, scrap the entire comparison, my point still stands lol. An FBO giulia is not worth even $150k. Majority of people out there shopping in the 200k budget, or even the 170k price range where these cars are probably sitting right now, are not thinking about a GTAm or GTA and the people shopping for a giulia are not trying to spend that much money. I think with the 500 made they've reached the entire market of people who would want a car like that and are willing to pay that kind of money for it and that niche market that actually knows that these exists are maintaining the value of it, whereas the M4 GTS was much more aggressively marketed to the masses who knew it wasn't worth that much, which is why we've seen the value drop as hard as it has.
@@Vincetagram sure man i also wouldnt pay that bcs i would take a regualr qv, rs3 and stil had 100k left, but i also wouldnt pay that for the csl which is in its price category and thats my point that the category of the csl doesent make much sense bcs if you want a hardcore car you can get a gt4rs new for less but still this category exists and gtam is priced as the competitor
I would say that's chevy or ford still ngl. Dollar for dollar you're gonna do better with a camaro or mustang. Even when you consider a b58 car it's still cheaperon average to buy, build, maintain, and repair a car with an LS or coyote. Downpipe and a tune is not the end of the story.
@@SirAMG63 I dunno what crack you smoking you can get fast newer bmw for 20-40k which is cost of damn near everything out I dunno who you callin a kid im sure im older then you punk ass
@@tayl0rd553 no, and to give you credit, that bit was a slight reach, but I have been for a ride in one and I’ll be driving one within the next week or so. Even if you increase the redline on a coyote(which isn’t unheard of) it won’t sound like a voodoo, the torque curve won’t be the same and you can’t replicate that engine with a coyote without an aluminator block(which still isn’t the same thing) and voodoo internals, which atp, you’d probably already be into the build with more money than you would have spent just buying a gt350 or even a high-ish mileage 350r before you even start talking suspension, interior, bumpers, and transmission. The mach 1 basically is a 5.0 with all the gt350 bits and it still doesn’t hit the same.
@@S8ER There weren't many made, but I wouldn't call it super rare. There were somewhere around 5000 produced from 2015 to 2020. You probably don't see them because they aren't really daily driver cars. It also depends on where you live. They weren't sold all over and were hard to get everywhere.
@@tayl0rd553 that’s fair, I thought I had seen a few hundred. Didn’t realize it was thousands. Back in 2016 I got to spend time in a 5th gen Z28 that was racing a GT350R around Mid American Motorplex. It’s the only R I’ve seen in person though to be fair (as you said) it’s not like many people would daily them. 🍻
I bought a 2024 Tacoma Trd sport and still think that was over priced at 50k.. who tf or buying these vehicles lol Also Alfa cars are so ugly I hate that 1 tooth vampires grill they have on there cars
@@alecrambles3259 at least the tacoma will hold it’s value pretty well and also won’t shit the bed on you. I also have a tacoma that I bought used, haven’t spend more than $5k in maintenance over the past 5 years and I’ve gotten several offers for more than I paid for it. Most of that 5k is tires and brakes btw.
Plus he really said gtam or m8, nah he doesent drive cars the m8 is numb brick to the giulia, even the base giulia qv is better at almost everything than m8.
nah I've driven the m8, it most definitely feels a bit more numb, it's more of a soft GT car that happens to be fast, but it's a better performer with a nicer interior and somebody might find more value in that. I certainly think it's worth more of it's price than the GTA and GTAm are. My whole point with that was that there are just nicer options at that price point. I could have used a bentley continental as a comparison too and even though it's not as nimble I think a lot of people would still be inclined to drive a bentley at that price vs a car with the same dashboard as a car that's available at ~$80k.
@@Vincetagram Thats a fair point, but for me these are not the things to compare, also the 3.0 csl for what a millie has the same dash as the 80k m3 so i would say its not the number 1 priority, but yea these are different cars just like you can buy the new panamera for the gt3 price even above.
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Jeremy Clarkson would like to have a word with you about calling that Alfa ugly
@@Richard-xv7yf he would also like a word with me about the nasty things I’ve said on the internet about the porsche 928
@@VincetagramThe funny thing is I’ve loved Alfa since I played Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 when I was around 9 and I’ve wanted a Qv since it came out. I do agree the GTA and GTAM are a lil overpriced but something like a QV Nurburgring or even just a regular QV is def a bang for your buck
@@xzanm9216 oh for sure. You can find some good qv deals rn too.
Clarkson also said the Lexus sc430 was worse than a Hyundai tiburon
Who gives a fuck!
I live in west Texas, easily one of the highest amounts of trucks on the road and he hit the nail on the head with raptor and TRX trucks. The real farmers, road workers, construction and ranch hands are running around in base model trucks getting work done. All the middle class lawyers, company men, and oilfield higher ups have the performance pickups that they never off road but they want to feel manly. It is 100% insecurity driven.
@@postalpancho facts lol. If you call a landscaper, he probably doesn’t even need a half ton truck and might even tow his equipment with a tacoma or ranger, dudes that haul or do other heavy duty work are buying base spec 2500s and f250s, maybe even w/ a single cab/long bed or without a bed at all and modifying the rear end for their business and the guys going offroad usually don’t wanna damage a $150k truck themselves so they’re actually building them off lower trim f150s and the likes into something that fits their budget and if they have ram trx money they’re building something even better on the same budget lol.
@@VincetagramCorrect on the “building something better” part especially. I think the TRX is for those that want to buy performance vs build fs. Those that have some use for a tray, want to haul some ass and likes to sit high. I wouldn’t say it’s all about ego or insecurity, but they’re insane for throwing that kinda money at it.
Then again, building up to that kinda performance could mess up reliability and likely void your warranty (the ONLY upside to buying a TRX/other performance pickup stock)
I thought the Alfa in the thumbnail was around $50k but when I searched online I saw $200k... I literally fell to the floor when I saw that
@@aloniabasmerom8868 nah fr, that’s always the reaction with this car lol
@@Vincetagram I see quite a few Alfas around town - mostly regular degular schmegular Guilia models. They seem to be the broccoli head, hypebeast ride. Cool car, but if I was the leasing every 3 years type, I might cop one - definately not buying!
the base model QV is $83,000
They have new Alfa Romeo Giulia's for 50k. That's just the highest trim and is a special edition
And set aside another 70k for repairs.
I laughed entiredly too loud when you went on your TRX rant because I drive by a few homes every day with a couple TRXs and one of the owners is a software engineer who works from home and in his own words," bought the truck because it looked cool and have no intentions of offroading it tf I look like fcking it up and having my insurance and my wife eat me alive" lol
@@WoolfJ35 right lol
Bentleys & Porsches breaks my heart each time I see there base model cars above 100k😪💔
I don't understand people that talk about owners that wont take their 100k truck off road. Why are G-wagons never brought up in this regard? Much more capable and purpose built for off-roading
I saw a G wagon run over a curb at Starbucks once…. pretty confident that it was the closest thing to off-roading that it’s ever done.
@@mfgooze2915 haha I’ve taken a lifted 4x4 conversion g wagon off road before, and in driving it on road I learned that it actually sucks as a daily. And yeah you’re right. Those were basically the german jeep originally built for military purposes and the modern ones are honestly more capable offroad than MOST american pickup trucks esp once you put them on a nice lift kit. I’ve seen some sick g wagon builds and there are companies that build and restore old g wagons with lift kits, portal axles, fully reupholstered interiors, etc. that are off road capable, but most of the g wagon owner population would have been better off with a GLE550 or gle63. Those lose a lot of the modularity and offroad capability of the g wagon but are much more comfortable for the avg luxury car buyer but ppl like the IDEA of g wagon ownership so much lol.
@@S8ER hahaha
Because the only real use case of a truck is to do truck things. For the price they have crappy interiors, ride and handle like ass, and the only thing ever put in the bed is grocery's. Bought by people who wanted something bit to put a bunch of chrome on to stand out and compensate. A G-wagon is not brought up in the same regard because it's a really nice truck to drive overall. The interior is nice, the ride is nice, and it delivers the feeling of a bank vault in a way an American truck anything can't.
@@tv321123 A Denali or Laramie Longhorn are basically just luxury vehicles with a truck bed. These aren't the old barebones trucks of the 90s and if people want something like that they can buy a F150 XL. G-wagons just started having a "nice ride" with the facelift models, drive an older one and you will clearly feel the ruggedness and off road capabilities with the solid axles. If every pickup truck needs to be full of plywood and cement then every G-wagon needs to go see some trails
Bro your rants are so very entertaining. Great job!
@@WorkMostDays thanks man!
a c8 zr1 is cheaper than the first car on the vid LOL
@@wafzy looking at how the first round of z06 and stingray allocations went, I doubt anyone’s getting a zr1 for less than a GTA at least for the first cpl years.
Chevrolet dealerships have entered the chat 💀💀💀
@@bluntedspetsnaz718 lmaooooo right, they’re looking at OPs comment as a challenge😂
Sure but they're kinda gay
@@Vincetagram facts they will probably go for like 300 to 350k with the dealer mark up
lol these fake alfa fanboys....
anyways, the GTA series is basically just a GT3 with 4 doors. no real alfa fanboy ACTUALLY LIKES the GTA or GTAm, unless you are a collector.
anyway you will LOVE the Giulia. anyways, Italian brands dont wanna update anything unless they absolutely HAVE to.
Back in my day GTA meant Grand Turismo Alleggerita
I mean my dad has a 2017 Tundra but we don't go offroad all that much but we do go to hardware stores sometimes so in situations like those I'd say it's fine to have a truck
But ppl are out here paying 150k for a truck that will never see the light of day that's wild to me 💀💀💀
@@kb0x haha my dad has a 1500 limited and he used the height adjustable suspension for the first time ever this past summer to raise the truck and get through high waters when it flooded and we were so geeked lol.
Same with the range rovers over here ain't none doing off road😂
And g wagons. And it’s crazy because g wagons and RR sports are low key more capable than a lot of half ton pickups off road.
As a m4 gts owner the difference from my f82 fully loaded comp m4 to the m4 gts is equivalent to the jump between a 435i and a loaded m4. So many unique components of this car it is probably the most undervalued modern car imo. I mean ffs it was faster then the 911 gt3 rs of the same time period.
The launch was awful I will 100% admit from all the cars still having the suspension spacers on (many to this day still have them on even though the technical guide shows you how to remove them).
To people speculating on them when they released, many of them sold for insane overs while already having an aggressive msrp (the largest overs I've seen paid for one was identical to the msrp).
I mean most of the NA cars still have the wings on backwards like they had to for delivery purposes in NA (the technical guide suggests you need the racing risers and endplates but it wasn't legal to be sold like that)
Also the msrp really isnt that insane, my daily loaded m4 zcp has a sticker of 90 something. Factor in all the carbon panels on this car, the unique billet knuckles that are over 5k each. The bespoke KW partnership that kw went on from to release their v4 setup. The upgraded chassis for a roll cage that actually adds structure to the vehicle. Carbon ceramic brakes and then the water injection system which not only is cool as fuck but makes the car run so low on temps and is a huge homage to the history of bmw and their water injection systems used in ww2. I could go on and on and I'll have to actually film a video of me comparing a loaded m4, the m4 gts and a 991 gt3 rs but idk when I'll make a car channel.
Yeah don't get me wrong, the GTS is an incredible drive, however I'd have to disagree with you on the 435i analogy. Someone paid 2x over sticker for a GTS?! Now that's insane. I seriously thought the most outlandish list price on one of these was 150k and I still had no clue if it actually sold for that. Honestly an m4 gts vs gt3rs comparison would be a video I'd watch, do it!
1:25: brother these are nice pictures tho... Clean and original ❤
@@aloniabasmerom8868 sure you got the timestamp right? I think you linked me to the EVO footage lol
Bruh those trucks are absolutely useless and you know it. They basically just tell other people that you're the king of the road
@@lakeelmpine5351 they’re mor certainly capable and can do what they claim, it’s just that the owners don’t ever put them to the test and don’t really need the capabilities. I think if everyone were honest with themselves about what they need in a daily driver people would either have a wagon/hatch, a coupe, or a minivan. Everything else is either a luxury or a work vehicle.
You went crazy with the facial motion tracking in some sections
haha can you tell I just learned after effects fr
8:39 Yoooo I got the phone dial in my car 😂😂😂😂😂
I low key want a phone dial granturismo or w212 e63s just for the 2000s nostalgia aesthetic lol
@ I feel you, mine is the m113k cls55 . The whole infotainment unit still works 😂. I put in a nav tablet for CarPlay that just sticks to the windshield but I’ll still use the original unit just for kicks sometimes just feels right
I know you want that E92 baddd because it gets a mention in every video lol. I don't blame you either.
@@MilesSomerville wow that really has become a trend😂 whelp, can’t stop it now. Currently writing the script for the next one about the zr1, I’ve gotta somehow work the e92 in lol
m4 gts pros & cons
pros:
700 units worldwide
s55 with water injection+added horsepower:
weight reduction:
have nice oled headlight:
cons
value drop maybe?
A new BMW M4 depreciates by 50.6% after five years.
The luxury sports car category, which the BMW M4 belongs to, loses 32.5% of its value after five years.
The current climate and the reception to the GTS may have impacted the car's residuals.
However, the car's rarity and status may help to secure its value in the long term.
-it is also expensive at that time.
plus did m4 dtm champ edition also not worth buying?please consider
m4 dtm have 200 units worldwide
same engine and transmission as gts
different body styling
added sticker.😅
It's just a supply chain problem
But the heritage paint options lol that’s what had me tripping over the price which sobered me up from legitimately dreaming
What do you think about build single cab F-150s. Those are pretty much beating anything
hehe I got to start one up this summer, had a whipple 5.0 in it and it sounded beastly
To be fair I personally hate the bucktooth M cars compared to the alfas looks, but the price definitely doesn’t justify the price
BMW manual transmissions can kick rocks
actually lol
Bruh that mike is the size of a McDonald's meal these days 😂. Hey - it gets the job done well!
The Giulia GTAM is pretty. It needed only one thing to make it worth it. A Ferrari V8 and if it had a V8 it would be worth 500k.
You’re not lying. That would have been the first non-bespoke car with a ferrari motor. I don’t think that would have been true to alfa though. I think it would have needed a stroked or bored out engine that revs higher and sounds better, and 2 less doors.
😅 my dad is that truck guy!! You're 100% right! As for the rest, getting a fast car for big $ is nice but not impressive. A budget speed machine is really hard. In Finland they have car races where the car by rules can't cost more than $500, and anyone there can buy it off you. A $500 speedster is really hard!
@@thebigb1286 wait do people drive pickups in finland?! Also we do something similar here. You guys might do it in Finland as well but in 24 hours of LeMons, your budget is $500, and you have to race the car for 24 hours, but usually the objective isn’t crossing the finish line first, it’s just doing the most laps because the cars are absolute shitboxes and don’t make it through the entire 24hrs😂
I was specking out alfas in middle school all the time lol
is that a moonswatch I see? my man!
@@obucinajoseph indeed🤝
The alpha Romeo brera is by far the sexiest hatchback am just sad we didn't get the earlier models on our side of the pond it's the only hatchback I like
I would say the sexiest hatch is the integra type s, but the brera is certainly top 10. Great looking vehicle.
You should do a collab with socialorbit
All I'm gonna say is, Alfa would be so much cooler if they had a manual option in the States for their Giulia, even if it was only for the Quadrifoglio trim
and a 2 door version, it's already pretty sexy, but all they have to do is not butcher the rear end like bmw does
I’ve always hated how the guilia looked but the GTAM makes it looks better imo but at $250k these people just tryna be different & comparing it to a G chassis m4 or m3 is just hilarious
@@Blankhspec wow that’s a first. You might be the only person I know that doesn’t think a giulia looks good. But yeah saying a GTA or GTAm is better than an m3 or m4, even the limited models is a moot point. It fucking better be😂
The Maserati’s engine sounds heavenly, but the interior is out of whack.(the one with the shitty Mercedes Benz interior)
Car reviews, yes please
Alot of People really out here complaining about the economy but have 500-1200 car payments 😆 go to a dealership test drive a fast car get it out of your system but never go into debt for a depreciating asset
@@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156 Yeah, but if you want a new car these days especially as a young person with minimal credit history you’re gonna end up with at least a $350/mo payment these days the way interest rates are. That being said I think ppl my age with less than 10k to their name and shitty credit should be buying cars that they can pay for outright and just ride the wheels off that thing. Can’t tell you how many of my peers I saw buying $20-30k cars with dealership financing in college with INSANE payments. Mfs be paying $500 a month on a fucking new base hyundai then brag about it on social media talking about “adulting”🤡
@Vincetagram Exactly it's insane, 500 a month for a yeah is 6k there bmw wagons, Miata, sx240s and so many other good drivers cars for cheap. And those payments are still paying off the principal 😂 Getting a good cheap car with cash and driving into oblivion with maintenance of course is the best move because it's the simplest move. People really don't realize how much money they truly make it's actually alot but lifestyle creep is real can't be trying to keep up with the Joneses it's got to be on your time. Thats why I like test driving nice cars I can't afford, gives me motivation to work harder to buy it outright in cash. I'm basically tricking myself to save money 😂
Stop calling the motor a stroker, man 😭
@@Kassandru that’s what they’re called, not my fault tiktok brainrot has changed the definition😂
Why is there no Alfa coupe?
it's so odd, they used to have the 8c, then the mid engined 4c, then nothing.
Ran into your recomendations from bingeing Drewpeacock rice or nice vids. within just 5 minutes i already loved what i was hearing and subbed to you. (Pause)
Feel thet truck rant. The dudes who actually need the trucks for work are getting the lower end F250 and 350/2500 and 3500 cause it gets the job done and is gonna be thrashed at 120k. Never seen someone who actually does serious towing or work on construction sites in a truck with more than leather seats and remote start assuming theyre not using a late 90s early 2000s F150 or ranger
facts, I used to work at an exotic car dealership that also used to deal in fleet vehicles. We were moving more ram TRXs than any dodge dealership in the state at one point and most of those buyers were suburban dads and basketball players while the most popular work trucks were crew cab 2500hd silverados with a service body and single cab long bed 1500s.
My Turo verdict after renting a well maintained 120,000 mile Giulia Ti with body damage all over the place but zero mechanical issues versus a 45,000 mile 4-series on crappy tires from the same exact guy: I would sooner buy two $20,000 used Giulia's than one $30,000 4-series every single time. Multiple reasons for this, but the most important is that listening to how the Alfa's infotainment pronounces city names is absolutely hysterical! Seriously, have it read out loud an address in San Antonio. It has a stroke half way through reading it 🤣
Also there's a reason a 2014 F-150 is reasonably priced: Those engines are flaming gutter trash.
@@lucasokeefe7935 lol I use carplay on everything that has it so OEM navigation system pronunciation is almost irrelevant imo. But trim for trim, you really would take a giulia over a 3/4 series?
@@Vincetagram For the model years that I drove, I honestly would. They were 2016 for the BMW and 2018 for the Giulia. Something about the interior aesthetic on the Giulia seems nicer to me, I really didn't like how the BMW would chirp its tires when I wasn't even trying to get it to (probably due to crappy tires, but still). Brakes seem a to have a lot more initial bite than the BMW, which I liked. I'm not one to really use or even look at infotainment while I'm moving, so the UI interface doesn't matter as much to me, and I just feel like the Giulia has a nicer mix of road feel and comfort. Fun "drivers car" versus OCD businessmobile. My one complaint was that it is soooo hard to figure out where that front panel is going end up, which probably explains all the body damage on the one I rented.
@ that's honestly a fair take. I think the dashboard and center console were laid out much better in the giulia. I think the e9x 3 series interior was a better design than the f3x 3/4 series, and I was about to say that the e90 might have had a better interior than the alfa 159(giulia predecessor) but I just googled the alfa 159 interior and realized that it also had a nicer interior(or at least a better looking one). Damn alfa's interior guys were on it for sure!
@ and maybe you'll agree with me on this, but I think the bmws most definitely had better infotainment though. I think the mid-late 2010s bmw iDrive was the best infotainment of any car of that era.
@ Oh for sure the BMW infotainment is/was better, but like you said when everything is controlled by apples and robots these days the OEM design is moot. In the used market tt's also a choice between great infotainment with a leaky powertrain or a crap infotainment with arguably the best powertrain Alfa has ever produced.
Speaking of gts how about the m4 DTM championship edition
Dude the Alfa’s are hideous don’t care what model it is when ever I see one I point and say “pizza car”
@@L3GHO5T pizza car😂
@ man credit where credits due imagine pulling up delivering pizza with a big domino’s light up sign on the roof or something that would go hard!
@@L3GHO5T would be hard asf
in my opinion if you spend upwards of 30 to 35k on a e9X m3 is gonna be pretty clean as a e92 m3 fan i would never spend 65k on a e9x m3
I feel that, personally I wouldn't spend that much on an e92 either, but if you want something that's gonna be as clean as most of these M3 GTS are, that 60-70k range is gonna give you a pretty low mileage car that reflects the condition of most of these e92 GTS cars.
I remember almost becoming interested in a Alfa and Maserati, once i saw them prices i went and got a ZL1 😂😂😂😂 aint no way them cars were worth that
@@StreetCars101Magazine hahaha
Hear me out 2012 911 gt2 vs ruf ctr12
The Alfa handles better than any bmw made
That’s gts gonna pick up in value trust
maybe, we'll see, but I don't think the e46 csl or e92 gts ever saw a dip like that
@ that’s is very true
My bro Italian is not sharp today,you need some Carbonara bro
nah nah nah, I was just unsure of my italian, I was pretty close lol
@ 😂😂 bro golden advise just move your hands,you are missing that 🤌🏾
@ lmaoooo
In South Africa there is a TRX that is currently listed for $300k guess the selling point is that it's the only TRX is Africa but that's still a crazy
yeah I've heard of some >$200k TRXs in europe as well
I saw a 20KM used golf 8 in Joburg going for R800k !! (45 000 USD)🇿🇦
Don’t need it but I want it
Having a Alfa Romeo Giulia, it’s a nice sporty car. But the QV version and even the GTAM are like the worse of the sports sedans. Like the M cars just are made specifically for performance, unlike the Giulia. The Alfa is fun but is definitely the underdog or worst of the batch of luxury sports sedans
@@Changingtesting that’s honestly unfortunate to hear, but I guess that brings my expectations down to earth as far as the QV goes. Damn.
@ don’t get me wrong the QV stock vs stock most German cars would beat it, but a decently modified QV can hold its own. It’s just an alternative to having a M or AMG, but stock for stock, Ms are likely faster.
A QV Giulia is a lot of fun, definitely worth 50-60k or less. But paying 70k+ for one would be a waste at that point.
Wouldn't have a problem with truck drivers if majority werent so obnoxious on the road. The one's that aren't are usually towing stuff lol. Second worst is the SUV moms running you over to get Billy and Mandy to and from daycare.
ngl I feel like the ones that tow stuff or use their truck for business are actually of the more sensible and mild mannered drivers on the road lol
For 225k I rather buy 3 used Mercedes and still have money left over
bro give me a used giulia qv AND a 911 gt3 like wtf
I rented one in Miami it sounded amazing but yes the interior was garbage 😂 cool flex for the weekend but I would never own one 9:01
Don’t buy it and it will go down is that simple 🤷♂️
thats a nice mission to pluto
Thx!
The gta and gtam were not us legal so you're most likely not going to see one for at least another 18-22 years in the US. They also came with a custom race suit and track time in Italy. I don't see bmw doing that any time soon with a m3cs. If you want that experience there happy to sell you one of there 2 million dollar race cars.😆
Last year you could get an Mc20 cheaper than a gran turismo,, new gran turismo looks great, faster ,nicer interior ,but no more V8.
haha yep, and the year before they were $300k. I remember being on vacation with family seeing one sitting on the lot listed at $300k saying "watch they'll be 180k next year"
Only seen a afla 9ne time and that was NFS most wanted remake
Does nobody realise who actually designed & engineered the Alfa? That car is basically a 4 door Ferrari/Maserati with Alfa branding. And me stating a fact doesnt make me a fanboy lol.
@@keyser_söze23 their designer has worked for maserati in the past as well as lancia but at the time that the giulia was being developed, pininfarina was still designing cars for ferrari.
@Vincetagram
Pininfarina left Ferrari in 2012, the F12Belinetta was the last car. The Alfa was unveiled in 2015, released in 2016. The car had a very, very short development period.
@ oh dang, totally forgot. Even still, Marco Tencone, the lead designer who worked on the Giulia has never designed a Ferrari. You can certainly see the maserati alfieri influence in his early giulia drawings though.
@Vincetagram
I agree about Marco....but he wasn't alone, people who had just left or were about to leave Ferrari, worked on the Giulia. A basic search reveals this.
Not my mind rehearing it as... Alfa Grand Theft Auto 😮
@@siphiwex4216 😂😂😂
lol Alfa slapped a 9th gen Civic Mugen wing and tripled the price 😂😂😂
This is obviously a joke
hahahahaha
The Alfa Romeo GTAm is definitely overpriced as a MF. But that is my dream car, imo it’s the most beautiful sports sedan EVER made (the GTAm, not the regular Giulia), even if it’s severely underpowered.
Its mine also, but as he said we can build one for cheaper and maybe make it faster. Hope that day comes.
I don't even think it's underpowered, I mean it had more hp than the m4 gts, but I just don't think it's a 100k difference from a new QV
You from da met I live in Bishopville 803 GANG
@@retrochrisco yessirrr💪
@@retrochrisco I haven’t heard somebody call it the met in a long time that’s how I know you’re not new here lol
Alleggerita
So gtam is a straight competition to m4csl and its basically better at many things, if you want to pay less you can buy a standard one for 80k. The problem with these videos is that the guy talks very much but didnt actually drive any of those cars so really doesent have clue of what these cars really drive. If he just compares base data a modded 340 can be faster than a bugatti but whats the point. Im not gonna talk bout his taste for me the alfa is way nicer than the gt3 and the m4csl. Also to prove my point hes making a point how a 911 gt3 is the holy grail and should be at the alfa price, well the 911 has a whole chasis to compensate for the bad engine placement and a gt4 rs is better balanced but if he just compares cars from videos he might not know that.
so the thing is I literally said I've driven every car in this video except the GTA and GTAm. Then here you go taking words out of my mouth and missing the entire point. I used the 911 gt3 solely as a price competitor, if the GTA and GTAm are an M4 CSL competitor(which they're really a straight competitor to the older M4 GTS like I said) and in reality, they're more or less an FBO giulia, then they certainly don't hold a candle to a gt3 which I have driven and no way you're trying to compare any version of a giulia to that, which is why I said they shouldn't cost more than a GT3 did new at the time. But if you didn't pay attention literally at all you might not know that/
@@Vincetagram Sure, my point was mostly to say that youre saying you would choose lets say an m8 over a gtam and thats why i siad you dont drive cars, bcs its like someone would say why buy an small rs3 whem you can get a s5 maybe even s6 in a similar price. And yes you can but the rs3 is a whole better drivers car. My reference to the csl was bcs of you saying its too expensive when the csl costs basically the same( and no gtam is definitely in csl space, it came out earlier but its a level above the gts), so its not really anything special its just priced as its competitor. Also comparing used cars to new cars misses the whole point. They are cheaper not only because of depreciation, but when someone uses these cars your brakes, tires, clutch and other components are closer to replacement which also costs a lot. And its just no a new car, its like buying a used hoodie its not the same. So comparing this doesent make much sense sure you can buy a used beat aventador cheaper than a brand new evo not its not like you can buy a used evo even cheaper.
@@AMNEZ6 ok, well then take the M8 out of the comparison, actually, scrap the entire comparison, my point still stands lol. An FBO giulia is not worth even $150k. Majority of people out there shopping in the 200k budget, or even the 170k price range where these cars are probably sitting right now, are not thinking about a GTAm or GTA and the people shopping for a giulia are not trying to spend that much money. I think with the 500 made they've reached the entire market of people who would want a car like that and are willing to pay that kind of money for it and that niche market that actually knows that these exists are maintaining the value of it, whereas the M4 GTS was much more aggressively marketed to the masses who knew it wasn't worth that much, which is why we've seen the value drop as hard as it has.
@@Vincetagram sure man i also wouldnt pay that bcs i would take a regualr qv, rs3 and stil had 100k left, but i also wouldnt pay that for the csl which is in its price category and thats my point that the category of the csl doesent make much sense bcs if you want a hardcore car you can get a gt4rs new for less but still this category exists and gtam is priced as the competitor
BMW still king affordable power
I would say that's chevy or ford still ngl. Dollar for dollar you're gonna do better with a camaro or mustang. Even when you consider a b58 car it's still cheaperon average to buy, build, maintain, and repair a car with an LS or coyote. Downpipe and a tune is not the end of the story.
In your world? Puny kid
@@SirAMG63 I dunno what crack you smoking you can get fast newer bmw for 20-40k which is cost of damn near everything out I dunno who you callin a kid im sure im older then you punk ass
10:00 You haven't driven a GT350R, huh?
@@tayl0rd553 no, and to give you credit, that bit was a slight reach, but I have been for a ride in one and I’ll be driving one within the next week or so. Even if you increase the redline on a coyote(which isn’t unheard of) it won’t sound like a voodoo, the torque curve won’t be the same and you can’t replicate that engine with a coyote without an aluminator block(which still isn’t the same thing) and voodoo internals, which atp, you’d probably already be into the build with more money than you would have spent just buying a gt350 or even a high-ish mileage 350r before you even start talking suspension, interior, bumpers, and transmission. The mach 1 basically is a 5.0 with all the gt350 bits and it still doesn’t hit the same.
The GT350R is super rare isn’t it? I’ve only seen one that I’m aware of since they came out.
@@S8ER There weren't many made, but I wouldn't call it super rare. There were somewhere around 5000 produced from 2015 to 2020. You probably don't see them because they aren't really daily driver cars. It also depends on where you live. They weren't sold all over and were hard to get everywhere.
@@tayl0rd553 that’s fair, I thought I had seen a few hundred. Didn’t realize it was thousands. Back in 2016 I got to spend time in a 5th gen Z28 that was racing a GT350R around Mid American Motorplex. It’s the only R I’ve seen in person though to be fair (as you said) it’s not like many people would daily them. 🍻
I bought a 2024 Tacoma Trd sport and still think that was over priced at 50k.. who tf or buying these vehicles lol
Also Alfa cars are so ugly I hate that 1 tooth vampires grill they have on there cars
@@alecrambles3259 at least the tacoma will hold it’s value pretty well and also won’t shit the bed on you. I also have a tacoma that I bought used, haven’t spend more than $5k in maintenance over the past 5 years and I’ve gotten several offers for more than I paid for it. Most of that 5k is tires and brakes btw.
What do you mean by who is buying these vehicles. Because you did buy one.
@@Vincetagramhe bought a 2024 with the inline 4 it won't last long
Plus he really said gtam or m8, nah he doesent drive cars the m8 is numb brick to the giulia, even the base giulia qv is better at almost everything than m8.
nah I've driven the m8, it most definitely feels a bit more numb, it's more of a soft GT car that happens to be fast, but it's a better performer with a nicer interior and somebody might find more value in that. I certainly think it's worth more of it's price than the GTA and GTAm are. My whole point with that was that there are just nicer options at that price point. I could have used a bentley continental as a comparison too and even though it's not as nimble I think a lot of people would still be inclined to drive a bentley at that price vs a car with the same dashboard as a car that's available at ~$80k.
@@Vincetagram Thats a fair point, but for me these are not the things to compare, also the 3.0 csl for what a millie has the same dash as the 80k m3 so i would say its not the number 1 priority, but yea these are different cars just like you can buy the new panamera for the gt3 price even above.
sECOND!!!
I think you might actually be the 1st lol
"You ain't never worked a day in yer goddamn life!"
85 HRS A DAY I'M ON MY GODDAMN JOB HOSS
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this dude just rambles on and on. like breath. we have no time to process the information just non stop talking .
4th
Unless I’m not seeing the 1st comment and the third comment, you’re the second one lol
Nice watch what is it? ⏱️
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