Why The Rings Of Power SUCKS - A Scene Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Comparing the Epic battle between Aragorn and Lurts in the Fellowship of the ring to the goofy wrestling match in the Rings of power
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Holy shit, absolutely blown away by the response to this video im happy so many others share my love for that fight scene and understand why its so special. But unfortunately i recorded under the wrong mic setting which effected my sound quality. 1000 apologies to anyones whos viewing experience was ruined and will never let that happen again hopefully that wont deter you from checking out the rest of my channel. I will definitely be making a part 2 to this in order to discuss other scenes and who knows what next for this channel. Thank you all for the support, criticism and comments.
It sounded okay to me.
This is how many of us are disgusted by rop.. welcome brother..we shall never give up! Great video! Rop is a yt cash cow still it seems! Beautiful! Never gets old..I enjoy every single one if em..such wit, cleverness, passion, insight..snd for way less thsn a billion dollars! Lol I just wanna know what happened to the money!? It ain't on the screen!
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I hate how "human" and wordly this show made the elves look. The PJ elves had this otherworldly glow and this eerie "above-it-all" naturalness that gave you an idea you were dealing with creatures with thousands of years of lived experience and fundamentally different concerns. Now they're just humans with pointy ears.
Underrated comment. The flashbacks to elven childhoods, the impetuous rush to action... humans with pointy ears, indeed.
Because the show runners of _Rings of Power_ were obsessed with “relatability.” The idea is that Elves have to be more like humans so that they better reflect the modern world.
This thought pattern is the death of fantasy.
@@JustAnArrogantAlien it's the death of worldbuilding and storytelling in general.
And if they hide their ears with their hair, then they can easily be mistaken for human! Yeah, no, that's not how it worked in Tolkien's world. Elves carried a mystical air all around them. So much so that pretty much everyone would be able to tell they were an elf just by a glance. And Galadriel is the most mystical of all, being as she's older than Middle-Earth and her hair glows with the light of the Two Trees of Valinor.
@@InvertedWIng not only just in Tolkien's world.
the orc was looking for an achievement, "throw elf 10 times in a row in a single fight". the elf, who played the orc route previously, understood what the orc was doing so he played along like a good sportsman - very friendly to a newbie. unfortunately the girl didn't know what was happening, just saw an easy kill and took it.
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Nah bro thats great I read this first and didn't understand then I got to the part and couldn't stop laughing cause of this "gotta get this achievement gotta get it" 🤣
This is literally what happened tho
LOTR Online in a nutshell ngl
Another detail is that Aragorn could not match Lurts' strength, however, the moment it was sword to sword, you can see how Lurts never stood a chance against Aragorn's swordsmanship and why it was over quick.
Yip! over 70 years of sword training. Lurtz never stood a chance once Aragorn recovered his weapon
@@LaitoChen ???? 70 years of sword training? Huh? Are you implying that Aragon is more than 70 years old at the time of the Fellowship?
@@trashfire9641 When talking to Eowyn, Aragorn says that he is 80 years old.
@@trashfire9641 well he is 87 in fellowship.. :D
@@Ewcka I was not aware of that. That's.... strange.
@5:10 My wife told me that Orc stands and watches him because he is surprised to find a black elf.
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Scrolling to comments to find this kind of gold, she is a keeper for sure.
made my day.. :P
Haha
hilarious
The fact that we know the name of Lurtz, and I actually forget that Elf's name, is a sign of just how good that fight between Aragorn and Lurtz is. Very telling.
@@jarrodpchambers that's actually a really good point.
@@jarrodpchambers i think it was mentioned like 1-time when sauroman said it. XD
but yeah Lurtz never left my mind either, one of the most memorable Characters despite so little mentioning XD
I always thought his name was uruk-hai...but I guess saruman named the new crossbreed that and not the specific Lurtz
@@mazeknox yeah Uruk-Hai are the special type of Ork that comprise Sauramans’ army
They should've titled it "Rings of Flour". Just a chalky, dusty waste.
The deflection of that dagger throw was real.
"As the story goes, the actor who played Lurtz was supposed to throw the real metal knife that they were using in the scene far away from Mortensen and that they would then use digital effects later to add the knife hitting a tree right by Aragorn's head. However, the actor was distracted by the heavy prosthetic makeup and accidentally threw the knife directly at Mortensen! Mortensen then luckily used the real sword he had in his hands to deflect the knife away, saving himself from an awful stabbing! The sequence looked so cool that they decided to keep it in the movie!"
Your legend. And so is Viggo
no no no.. you may have heard that somewere..but i dont think you did. its bullshit totally. and i know you are making it up or just telling plan lies to have a cool comment..alot of random things happen to him as far as the fight sceens go that were good if not better than what was planed..but this is just lies..
@@poppit5481 It's mentioned by PJ on commentary of the extended edition of Fellowship.
Wait so they didn't film with real orcs?
@@manoz6194 Yea, it's crazy
You know what gets me about the way Aragorn throws himself into the fray? He's not really even rescuing Boromir at this point. Boromir's fate is sealed. But we all recognize this moment as heroic just because he spared Boromir from one more arrow. His fight didn't change the outcome... The only difference is that he gave Boromir the chance to die in peace and honor, to confess what he had done and what happened to Merry and Pippin, to promise he would not let the white city fall, and to hear Boromir call him his king.
Sorry I am four months late but I really like your comment and want to add that I always thought Lurtz was going for an ugly kill, you know, shooting an arrow point blank in the face of a great warrior while he is on knees. To me it could be seen as a last insult and I always love that Aragorn save Boromir from that fate !
Thank you for this comment! Never thought of this scene with these lenses... Beautiful... Always been my favorite part of the movie.. Now even more...
I’m not sure if that was his intention though definitely it was the outcome. I see it as Aragorn was incapable of acting any other way when one of his companions was in peril.
Aragorn acted consistent with his personality and lineage. Not just as a heroic figure and heir to the throne, he is one of the Dunedain, a defender by nature, and as such, his reaction could have been nothing else.
What happened subsequently was simply the result of heroic behavior leading to heroic outcomes.
jesus this hits right in the feels
Lurts intended a de-humanizing execution, playing with his victim, evil for pleasure. Even when I did not fully understand yet, I could feel the moral importance when Aragorn 'saved' Boromir. Aragorn still acted like Boromir's life could still be saved, even though he was clearly dying. I can feel the beauty and nuance, of morality and honour, of justice and honour. PJ captured these feelings wonderfully.
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Would that not short the turbine and blow it up?
Someone's been reading The Protectors of the Plot Continuum.
LMAO
You win the 'make stranger snort coffee out of his nose laughing' prize. :D
Nothing but respect to Peter Jackson for putting Tolkien's themes into the movie instead of his own, even the ones he didn't share. And shame on the show writers for spitting on that
I was so confused reading this because I genuinely thought you had written Percy Jackson not Peter jackson
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Peter Jackson made a mess of Tolkien’s work. The characters suffered most. It would have been nice if Jackson had at least pretended to care about the characters.
@@junglemoose2164 You are legally entitled to your opinion, but boy is it a bad one.
2:57 How he pulls Aragorns sword even deeper is pure genius. It says so much, like: You can kill me, but you can't stop all of us. We are not afraid of death and i will spit in your face while dying!
Thank you, Peter Jackson for these excellent movies and thank you Tolkien for the excellent books.
Holy shit, that's it!!! I always thought it was quite stupid. I did not understand why Lurtz would do that instead of fighting. It may be he just realized he was done for. I feel like you fucking nailed the vibe and power behind him pulling that sword in, closer to Aragorn. It's creepy and confusing. Very 'evil'. Like he is saying "I'll die, but so will you."
“Fuck me, is it? Nah mate, fuck YOU”
-Lurtz
@@iamrubenmes same, I always thought it was kinda dumb and unrealistic, but this makes it more sensible
I know the orcs don't fear death, but I always thought that was put in just from PJ's love for gore
I think Lurtz want to headbutt Aragorn and try to kill him somehow, even though he is already mortally wounded.
"They didn´t want to write a good story, they just wanted to buy a huge audience for it"
This is the best summarisation I have read about this. And it works with Witcher franchise as well
The difference between these 2 shows is that the actors of rop are proud of this embarrassment of a show whilst Henry Cavill quit bc he didn't like what they did to the story of the witcher
@@inferno7076 It's really sad, Henry Cavill had such passion to play the role...
What everyone seems to overlook is that WE ALREADY HAVE PAID FOR IT, just by buying anything on amazon. They have no need of "buying" an audience, since we are already a paying audience.
Atleast the witcher wasn't hopeless on launch, the idiotic writers just made season 2 much worse than it should have been and as we know continued so bad Cavill left. The cinematography, fight scenes, characters actually work on the witcher, it's just that the writing went way off the original books just to be more mediocre and make less sense.
@@Suilujz I hated some changes even in first season (like the ending) and flatness and stupidity of certain characters (Cahir, Calanthe, witches besides Yennefer...).
It lost most of its true nature, message and tone on most scenes where Geralt wasn´t present and even in some where he was. And that was a bad sign back then and fans were questioning creators choices.
I agree it all went to new bottom with S2 and on, but you cannot say it was "all of a sudden". It wasn´t. It was ... tolerable(?) in S1, maybe. But not more
I love how, as they pan up from Borimir dying, we see the amount of bodies he left on the ground before he was killed.
He truly was Gondor's finest.
Why the fight scene between Lurtz and Aragorn is well written? Because it stays completely honest to their characters. Lurtz is a warrior of brute force and Aragorn has no chance in hand to hand combat. He gets himself into it because he has to tackle him to save Boromir. He could've thrown his sword, knife or tried an arrow, but that wouldn't guarantee that Lurtz wouldn't execute Boromir while wounded. Aragorn could also miss. So he has to tackle him physically thus losing his advantage as being a master swordsman. In the ensuing scuffle and wrestling Lurtz of course has the upper hand and Aragorn barelly avoids death. By cunningly wounding him with his dagger he regains a balance in this duel. Added bonus is the physics. Aragorn's sword went in a certain direction, and that's exatcly where he regains his sword.
And the moment Aragorn regains his sword the battle becomes a more or less a fair swordsmanship duel (yes Lurtz is wounded, but he is practically a beast, and Aragorn got a couple of really hard punches to the head). And in that swordsmanship duel Lurtz, of course, lasts mere seconds one on one with an experienced 87 year old master swordsman of Numenorian descent, trained by Elves and battle hardened in numerous battles - he rode to war with Theoden's father, remember?
That's why I always say that the whole finale of Fellowship is smaller in scope, but in terms of execution absolutely on par with big battles of Helm's Deep and Pelenor Fields.
As for the abomination of Rings of Power, well, the way they write "battle" scenes is that they have a bunch of morons who go "let's make this look cool yeaaaah, look at that spin kick that's so freaking coooool" and that's it.
Aragorn should've entered with a stab not a tackle, but then we wouldn't have this cool fight
A stab wouldn't have worked in my opinion. The second it takes to stab his sword might have been to late to stop the arrow, since he barely made the tackle, which was a straight dash towards the Orc.
@@jezusee I think accurately stabbing someone while sprinting with a long sword is incredibly hard. It's definitely not a safe option in terms of stopping someone and incapacitating him.
The criticism I have is the "shield throw", because ...
a) shields are worn with straps (so you can direct them) and throwing them with "an arm flick" will NOT have sufficient energy to fly that far
b) IF Aragorn gets stuck to the tree by the two bottom spikes of the shield ... he SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO "duck out", because the chin/head is larger than the neck (and if he could duck out he should have done it INSTANTLY instead of wasting seconds trying to remove the shield).
@@Muck006 "shields are worn with straps (so you can direct them) and throwing them with "an arm flick" will NOT have sufficient energy to fly that far" Human shields are usually designed with straps, this is true. This is, however, an uruk-hai shield, neither designed nor wielded by a human. Just looking at the design it's clearly meant to be used as a weapon, so assuming it has straps just because real shields have straps is silly. Also, not all historical shields had straps. Look at the Viking roundshield for a good example.
As for the whole throwing move, I agree this is probably not plausible for a human fighter. But, again, this is Lurtz, a giant among Uruk-hai, which are described as being able to march for weeks without stopping. A normal man couldn't endure the damage Lurtz takes here and keep fighting for so long, yet you didn't take issue with that. He's clearly just stronger than a man. Is that really so hard to believe in a setting filled with dragons, trolls, and immortal elves?
Your second point is solid though. Maybe Aragorn learned some secret Houdini-Craft from the elves too 🤔
who had the idea to make elves more "relatable" and "human"? they are cool because they are not mere humans! we can love them without seeing them as human!
"They are cool because they are not mere humans"
Literally one of the main points of fantasy. And they missed it. In the greatest fantasy ever written.
"Representation matters" cult strikes again
If anything the elves would be the higher up racists.
@@Jack_______oh what has representation to do with otherworldliness?
@@j-dawg4774 Of course many of them were, but over time they grew to love, help, and die for many of those that they had previously felt beneath them. Thing is Tolkien's men rose and fought to meet aspirations, they didn't crawl around and ask others to do it for them.
It's a very good point about how the TV series seemed to prioritize the "bad guy" throwing his enemy around, rather than go for the killing blow. Actually it seems to be a common issue with many movies and TV series these days. The director or fight choreographer seem to be in love with the fact they have a fight scene, and want it to last longer because they think it's cool, rather than considering whether it's helping to tell the story or not.
I always sit there watching a movie with a fight scene: "Wait, why tf did he throw that guy, you have a knife" if there's a reason for it, fine but it really kills all immersion
That's why I like the Sean Connery James Bond movies. He sometimes just used a single kick of his foot to fight some of the minor bad guys.
One lacks story and has time to fill, every mediocricity world do that
Every action series wants to be a Marvel movie these days.
A toss is showing that the hero is completely overpowered. It is often the first move, to let us know: look, this enemy is twice as strong as the hero and can throw him around like a toy. Especially when it comes to hand to hand combat, or in a swordfight where brute strength gives the advantage, a toss can inform all that the hero fights an uphill battle.
And then they throw it all away by letting the orc struggle to overpower him at the end
The weird thing is, Aragorn is practically invincible in the books almost a demi-god himself alongside Gandalf, minus magic spells. They make him really weak in the movies, but actually craft a good narrative with it. Rather than a king waiting for his throne, he's trying to actually earn it even though he doesn't quite want it at first, heroes journey kind of thing.
Don't care enough about RoP to remember why half the stuff even happened.
Book Aragorn and Boromir are both 6 and a half feet tall and could almost be considered superhuman in terms of strength, speed, and stamina due to their Numenorean heritage. Aragorn also has a literal Maia as an ancestor.
That is how a lore change is well done and even is an improvement.
Aragorn in the movies is pretty strong in his own right. He snapped orc's neck almost offhandedly at the end of the battle in RoTK and he fought a troll. In a sword duel. Amongst orcs only uruk-hai are ever presented as posing a challenge to him or giving him any kind of trouble. Everything that's not a hulking beast built for bloodshed is just a mild annoyance to him.
The thing I liked from the Peter Jackson films is the way men, elves and orcs fight, they all have their styles, men have the vanilla way of fighting, elves have a pragmatic and perfected way of fighting, orcs have a savage and barbaric way of fighting.
In rings of power humans and orcs are choreographed in the same way, meanwhile elves are something akin to Marvel superheroes (unless they're unnamed elves, in which case they're dumber than rocks)
Bob Anderson was the master at arms choregrapher of the Lord of the Rings. In retrospective, he explained how his approach was precisely to craft different styles of fighting for each character and race.
And dwarfs have funny brutal way
Lol ROP has orcs doing capoeira
accurate will be your name!
it makes sense, every race has its own physiology and mentality, so their fighting styles reflect that
Aragorn vs Lurts is one of my all time favourite duel scenes. Short, brutal and every blow is aimed to kill, just like in a real fight. Every hit they land injures. The first time you see the fight you really are on the edge of your seat. A masterpiece!
I saw it at midnight opening night. The theater erupted into cheers when his head came off. The tension was nuts.
The really cool part is that the dagger throw was real. Lurts was supposed to miss and accidentally threw it directly at Viggo who had to react quickly to knock it away with his sword.
@@birdingbum17 yeah I read about that many years after the film - it makes it even cooler!
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Viggo Mortensen is such a baddass Im glad he took the offer to play Aragorn
Another egregiously stupid part about that scene from ROP is that it is completely irrelevant to the plot. Nothing about the show would change without that scene. The Scene from the Fellowship though? Absolutely integral to the story.
Because they kept to the themes and the actual story and source material. ROP doesn’t do any of that. They “will write the story Tolkien never wrote” yes. They said that
@@Makkaru112 What's interesting to me is that... the material they're over-writing at this point was actually written! The show doesn't have access to all those materials, but the key parts of these stories about Galadriel, how Sauron manipulated Celebrimbor, how the rings were made, etc.... they're all already written. So not only are these showrunners incredibly filled with ego, they are also lying.
@@jhmi7877 Absolutely correct. The ROP showrunners thought they could write a better story than tolkien. To quote another garbage modern reboot: "Sheer f**king hubris."
And that's a really important point!
Correct. I could literally skip many scenes and not miss anything from the show. It's just boring and bad writing
People whose minds are shaped by radical ideologies are eternally stuck being shallow individuals and will never understand Tolkien's work's deep meaning and beauty.
I remember a RUclipsr criticizing a scene from Two Towers years back when Aragorn finds a scared young kid at Helm's Deep, takes his sword, swings it around, and tells him, 'This is a good sword.' And the RUclipsr laughs, 'It's not a good sword at all; it's chipped and rusty. Neither Aragorn nor the movie makers know what they're talking about.' While unable to see that it's the greatest sword if you're a child pulled away from your mother's arms to face the armies of darkness in a hopeless battle. As it encourages the kid and the audience at the same time.
Oh yeah that legendary video
I saw the EFAP video of that and i slowly and painfully lost my mind
I saw it more as " the weight is good , its an old sword but it was originally well made" and that giving the child hope in that case was better than just telling a truth.
What makes that scene more impactful is that right before that, Aragorn had been saying "theyre gonna breach helm's deep, theres too many, we're not gonna make it" and Theoden shuts him up, saying "we need courage right now and youre scaring everyone" so when Aragon tells the kid its a good sword, he's saying it obviously to encourge the kid a bit, right before a battle for their very existence, since both kids and old men had to fight as well
Aragorn’s fight comes at a moment when you are already upset because Boromir is getting wasted in his moment of redemption. The emotional weight of that gets transferred to suspense during the fight. It was masterful.
And brings you to tears when Boromir who, previously, so haughtily told Aragorn that Gondor needed no king, upon his death, seeing Aragorn's honor, courage, and sense of brotherhood on display, to the point of near death, changed his very heart. He apologized that he had betrayed Frodo and tried to take the ring from him, and that he tried to save Merry and Pippin from the Uruk's, and even in that he, in sheer pity and failure, failed to protect even them with all of his might.
And asked for his sword and was the first, with his dying breath, to call Aragorn his King. And that he would've followed him into the heart of Mordor if he could.
This is one of the greatest scenes in movie history, the only scene I've ever cried to
Excellent point! I remember watching the fight scene in the cinemas with this added sense of tension and urgency because you knew that Boromir was dying as they fought. Glad someone mentioned this.
bruh no one gave a shit about boromir, he was a whiney bitch and then died so what
@@pb5335 I can't comment on why you perceived him as being only whiney in the movie so I won't. I am curious, is that your same perception of him in the books as well, or do you think he actually has personality and substance in the books? Let me know if you don't understand my question. I like Boromir's character a lot in both the movies and the books which is why I'm asking.
And the fact that the Big Orc doesn't come running with the sole purpose of killing the Elf Guy, but instead he slowly walks to him and menacingly stands behind his back waiting for the elf to bump into him and turn around. Like a goddamn high school bully intimidating a nerd kid, I swear.
You could have easily used stuff like that throughout the fight to establish the orc as an overconfident bully, with allowing him to over extend being the method of defeat.
@@blizzardgaming7070 That part of the scene is in the manga
@@nikvalinsky tf are you talking about.
This is the new woke orc mate. Non binary orcs are abit soft in the head compared to the orcs of lots.
same shit as aragorn tackling lurtz. With hes sword in hand...
So, in short:
Aragorn vs Lurtz - a quick, brutal fight where both opponents are armed and immediately go for the killing blow every time while still making it look cool. Shield throw being the height of "showing off".
Elf vs Orc - a drawn out performance where both performers are not armed, refuse to pick up weapons and give each other ample time to respond, full of weird moves and poorly-executed WWE throws.
Or big orc not tipping elf boy over the edge and sending him down the well when his back was turned.
Hell, the shield throw was showing off but it actually served a tactical purpose: Either it would decapitate Aragorn and win the fight, or it would trap Aragorn and let Lurtz finish him off. None of the actions the two losers in ROP made were clear in purpose other than just keeping it going.
I would argue that "deflecting a knife with your sword like a fricking Jedi knight" constitutes as showing of except that 1) it was not intentional on the part of the filmmakers, and 2) Aragorn was doing it to defend himself.
It's more like dancers gave them advice instead of military or street fighters
@@AJTalonhow did it not decapitate him
I never noticed this before - at 1:51 Aragorn hits the tree hard enough that he drops the sword. Then at 1:53 he is seen holding the sword and dropping it again when the shield hits him! And we've all watched this 1000 times by now, crazy
I was looking this! Thank you! :D
It is the same moment played twice
He also slams into the tree in both shots
Lurtz is already throwing his shield before Aragorn has hit the tree. You can see the shock on Aragorn's face as he notices the shield is on its way
They probably wanted to show close ups of both characters and the wide shots
Good catch, though. It does look funny once you notice that
The fight between Aragon and Lurtz was so incredibly well done. Just 1 straight minute of violence and then it's done.
It sucked
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@@reek4062 well put. Your mastery of the written word has truly changed my mind. "It sucked" are the words that will live with me for the rest of my life. So eloquent, the way you perfectly justified your reasoning.
The part when Galadriel screams "WAKANDA FOREVER" It literally brought tears to my eyes. Straight from the Tolkien's text, well done
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@@6318374the new force lol but that’s a whole different bs money grab..great comment
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@@6318374oh common, she tells 'you are wizard Harry'
May xd
What also really helps set off the emotional payoff of the LOTR fight is we *just* saw one of the main characters get killed by Lurtz so that immediately helps establish the urgency of the threat.
Rings of Flour was awful. It should forever be known (but forgotten) as that, too. Rings of Flour.
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In LoTR, the moment Boromir was shot, I realised that they just killed one of the main characters, so the others could die as well. While in "Rings of power" we all know that the black elf won't die because plot armour.
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I still get goosebumps watching the fight between Aragorn and Lurtz because it's so intense that even though I know what will happen, I feel scared for Aragorn. With the ROP fight, I was just bored.
I haven’t seen a single full scene from the show and boy, that ROP fight was tough to get through.
The fight matters and is realistic, the whole ROP show is a sad joke, Peter Jackson is the only one who could faithfully bring Tolkien’s world to live action since he respects Tolkien’s world.
@@offworlder1 I wouldn't go so far as to claim that Peter Jackson was the only option but he did a good job and the clowns at Amazon have certainly proven that they are incapable.
The shelob fight was way more tense
What you don't like watching two dudes throw each other around endlessly??? I'm shocked.
To be honest, when I watched the fight of Amon Hen for the first time, I didn't know that Aragorn will surely survive, since I didn't read the books. The fight was so realistic that I fear that my favorite charecter will die by fighting with Lurtz.
There’s nothing realistic about the fight. Since when throwing a shield perfectly not kill Aragorn? It’s so staged, you’re just not ready for that conversation
Yeah plus the tone of the music definitely had you prepared for potential doom
The knife was real though. It could have killed Virgo Mortensen for real. I saw it in an interview. The Uruk actor mistakrnly took the real knife instead of the prop
That fight only happens in the movie, Lurtz doesn't even exist in the books and was just created to add some spectacle.
How can u watch these movies before reading the books? Imagine a green army of dead mist saves the day (instead of a hundred dunedain). Pure trash and not worthy of Tolkiens imagination.
The death of Boromir as the arrows are plunged into him has me teering up every time. When I first watched the movie in the theater I was crying like a little girl. Now that's real cinema. Amazon's abomination belongs in the pit of Mount Doom
he deflected an actual knife too🤯 Viggo Mortensen everyone 🤯
Yess
It was supposed to miss and then be changed with cgi…but he didnt miss 😅
No,he didn’t
The comment about "throwing the hero" being a terrible way for bad guys to fight, is so accurate. The terminator movies are notably guilty of this, in particular the later ones. There are multiple times that a hero is thrown by a terminator, often ending up in less danger than they were before the throw, many times in easy reach of a gun. If you can pick someone up, you can crush their bones!
Agreed. It's just lazy writing.
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Especially since even in Terminator 1, it is clearly shown that once a terminator has grabbed you, he's not letting go until you're dead.
This is why the final scene when Sarah is crawling away from it is so intense, because you know that if it manages to grab her leg she's dead.
This seems to be every fight scene in a super hero movie. And its always upset me. Throwing your foe is always a stupid idea. You're suppose to close distance, especially when superior in strength, not send them further away.
@@dustinc6869 I don't think Thanos ever did the stupid "lets throw him away" move in Infinity War.
This show's elves are not Tolkien Elves. They're just petty humans with rich clothing and pointy ears. Tolkien's Elves don't have marked pointy ears, but they glow in the dark, they have visible stars in their eyes, they have wisdom and gravity; they're pale and thin, but massively strong, and they take a _yén_ (century) to become adults physically, but their minds mature four times as fast as mortal Men, and they can speak by age one and dance and write by age two. Their souls have full control over their body, and they're immune to lust and infatuation, but they can wither to death due to depression as they witness the suffering of the world. They rarely forget anything, can talk telepathically _(ósanwë)_ and can judge people's nature and heart bynlooking into their eyes. They're in perfect harmony with Arda ('magic' as other races call it) and can sense spiritual things. Those who have been to Valinor walk both among the Seen and Unseen.
The elves' dignity is nowhere to be seen in Rings Of Pwer...its disgusting.
And they are white
@@NikerRidexXx I mentioned that by describing them as 'pale'.
@@NikerRidexXx Aaaaand there it is
@@TylerWardhaha Its just the fact that they forced diversity into the show instead of aiming for a good writing which annoys me.
I really hope the second season will be a complete failure, so that they realise they kinda fkd it up. Btw RoP is not the only example for that. Think about star wars 7-9. The most important thing was having a girl as main character being completely overpowered and toxic (kinda what they did to galadriel too). And of course a dark skin clone that randomly fights the "strongest" sith lord at that time being completely equal in his combat skills. LOL.
Fact: First one is actually known as Throwing Orcs. There are only few of them left alive since they prefer not to have any weapons in battle, they are nearly all dead. They usually kill their opponents by throwing them to somewhere but that never happened. Thats not an effective technique but looks cool. They are also known as cool orcs.
LOTR has the "moronic Walking king" who couldve commanded the eagles to fly the hobbits to mt doom since day one but chose to go on a week long trek instead,
whats your point
@@troycambo One does not simply fly into Mordor.
@@troycambo Have you seen the Film Theroy?
2:30 importantly showing that Aragorn can actually bleed and actually had a tough fight despite being a very strong warrior. It also sets up for the future film battles because it does a good job of showcasing how strong these Uruks actually are.
I’ve heard some people going like ‘But then they die in droves in the next one.’
Yes… by massed volley fire at a distance and a well defended position that does not favor the attackers. You can bring a lot of ladders but only one Uruk-hai is going to be coming up that ladder at a time. One opponent standing on a ladder is fairly easily overwhelmed by about three standing on stable footing.
Once the Uruk-hai breach the wall and get to grips with the defenders it’s a brutal melee that swiftly turns into a retreat into the keep.
Even before then it’s not like they did nothing but die.
The waves of ladders were still keeping the defenders more than occupied while Uruk crossbowmen and ballistae sniped off some of the defenders.
The ram also put the gate hard to work, breaching shortly after the wall was.
Fact is were it not for the Rohirrim reinforcements coming to relieve them, the siege of Helm’s Deep was a surprisingly successful affair. Many sieges took months and relied on starvation before success came, to do so in the span of a night is nothing short of impressive, use of blasting powder notwithstanding.
@@rustkarl Theoden was lucky he got 3 baddass warriors to helped him too Aragorn, Legolas,Gimli without these 3 the fortress would fall
@@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676 The less organization and less tech, the more power is in the hands of heroes.
I think Viggo deserves some credit for that. On the Appendices he talked about using the spring steel “hero sword” as often as he could because the weight of it made fight scenes feel more authentic. It’s easy to whip around an aluminum or rubber blade, but you can’t maintain that kind of intensity with a real sword, and it shows in Aragorn’s fight choreography. He gets tired, he misses, he’s knocked around on occasion. It adds a lot of tension when the hero’s not invincible.
@@rustkarl the Uruk-Hai's morale and absolute determination to keep marching forward is a huge boon. In a medieval siege, 3/4 soldiers would hesitate or flee after seeing a cannonball strike the men next to them. The uruk-hai took the losses and pressed on, relentlessly.
Amother reason why the Uruk-hai are perfect for war.
It’s funny. Both scenes feature the protagonist being thrown. But Lurtz quickly follows up the throw with an attempt to finish him off. It was done to stun and disorient his opponent so he could finish him of with a killing blow with his sword after pinning Aragorn against the tree with his shield. It is as you said, every move is made with the clear intent to kill. Lurtz is using his brute strength to keep his opponent off balance so he can quickly finish him off. The giant orc in the Rings of Power clearly disorients and stuns what’s his name (I couldn’t be bothered to remember it), but follows up with either nothing or yet another throw. The orc had plenty of opportunities to kill the elf, but he does nothing. Terrible fight.
Though the scene in Fellowship of the Ring is more of a shove than a throw, the effect is still the same. In both cases the opponent is sent flying backwards, but Lurtz quickly moves in for the kill while the giant nameless orc does nothing that would finish the fight.
@@megalodon7916 Why did lurtz throw his shield in such a way that it wouldnt decapitate him,he could have threw it sideways reulting in beheading.Both fights are stupid,why did aragorn jump on lurtz to begin with and not just cut his arms off
Barn Ald, what do you mean by throw it sideways? Those shields are tall and fairly broad. You cannot throw those like a frisbee if that is what you are getting at.
@@barnwobble you know nothing of combat. Shut up.
@@chrisrohloff4375 That would be the easiest way to throw it,it was the dumbest shield throw.He punched a shield at a guy,didnt even look like it had anywhere near as much force as it would need to have to embed itself in a tree.
Robert (Bob) James Gilbert Anderson was the fight choreographer for the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Shout out to him and his genius, may he rest in peace.💕
This is how nearly all of modern marvel's fights are choreographed.
Yes!! And its fine in marvel but i hate it for Tolkien
let us raise a glass to the wisdom and talent of legendary sword Master Bob Anderson, who designed the combat in LOTR. those films - as awesome as they were- were just ONE entry on his resume of beautiful and impactful film fights. from Star Wars - where he played the part of Darth Vader during the lightsaber duels, to Zorro, to Princess Bride, nine times out of ten if it had beautiful swordfights, Anderson was the one who designed them.
+ in Highlander, too 😎
To Anderson! Cheers!
Thanks for pointing that out! I'll remember that name
I didn't know that, thank you.
Bob Anderson was a legend and a true master of the sword. The film world hasn’t been the same without him
Your scene comparisons make me want to watch the original LOTR movies again.
I'm doing this every year on January 3rd (Tolkien birthday)
So only 2 more days till I can enjoy it once again (and cry like a little baby at the end of trilogy)
do it
Eu vou fazer isso também
Those 3 movies are something godly. I remember being 8 years old and crying cz my mans Gandalf fell down in the mines. Then they show them running away dodging arrows and finally get a small moment of relief to cry for a short while. Then immediately ends cz aragorn knows the hills will be crawling with orcs, so they must embark yet again. It so good
same lol. but i will give it a few more years until I do that again. I just did it recently lol
"Elf guy" Imagine getting a ton of screen time as a major character in a 10-hour long big-budget film and nobody even remembers what you're called. 20 years later you will have difficulty finding anyone who saw the LOTR movies who can't name all nine members of the Fellowship along with at least a half dozen other minor characters.
Ikr, i watched LOTR movies when i was just a kid, and i still remember all the names of the main cast after so many years.
He will be rememmbered as Niggolas.
2:50 also illustrates how good Aragorn is, even better at swordsmanship, he pushes him back slices his arm off stabs him and decapitates him with proper two handed form, And you can see Lurtz actually surprised at how fast the Dúnedain is than the brute Uruk-hai cause the Dúnedain are far superior to the Men of Middle-earth Which im sure he assumed Aragorn was.
“Elf guy” and “Big Chungus” made me laugh harder than they should have, but they were totally justified. Not only are these awful characters not deserving of proper name drops, but they shouldn’t be remembered at all. Amazon’s “Three Ring Circus” is a disgrace, a deliberate attempt to smear the legacy of the greatest fantasy author of all time, and it fully deserves to be forgotten and buried under all the memes we can summon.
The only big chungus we like is the travelling cat named big chungus❤
I don't even think we should give it the legacy of memes, but fully ignore it into an abyss.
Amazon will experience the Morbius effect. Where a project bombs, gets memed into oblivion and they take all the conversation around the topic to be fully positive.
I genuinely can't remember Elf Guy's actual name after watching all eight episodes
Call him "Diversit-elf"
Remember how Boromir was shot?
The movie literally gasped, it stopped breathing, encompassing the importance of the Fellowship breaking physically then and there.
Sure, Boromir fought on, but it was for his dignity, to salvage his spirit and promise, albeit already being corrupted.
And I totally agree how Aragorn helped for Boromir to die with honor.
I read the books before watching the movie, but PJ knew how to translate something significant on to the big screen.
They play a lot with that. Just listen to the battle before Minas Tirth when Rohan shows up. The music rises with the speech, to reach a zenith with the shot showing the army, then they charge in and the moment they hit the lines of orcs the music just cuts out, leaving space just for the sounds of horses smashing into orcs and fighting. It feels like holding your breath about whats coming, or just letting the sounds of battle be the music. The hots are very thightly packed and the music only starts up again when that intimate moment is over and they start to show more general shots of the fight. It's just pure genius and one of those scenes where at first I cry at "Ride for ruin and the worlds ending" to having that "Frick yeah thats epic" - feeling. Also Theoden not spending hours on his speech and it not being a lyrical masterpiece... you sense he is a king that has ridden a long way, is prolly exhausted and there is not that much time, but he has is natural gravitas that does the work here.
I love how even though Peter Jackson created the perfect lord of the rings film adaptation he still says “tried to do”. Modesty at its best
It was an incredible adaptation, but not perfect. Jackson edited and changed many parts in order to translate the books into films. He also omitted certain things and added his own personal flair to some parts. It isn’t a perfect one-to-one recreation of the book material and Jackson knows this, that’s why he said he ‘tried’. His modesty shows his respect for the source material. It may not be perfect but it’s still an amazing achievement that fully deserves praise.
@@MisterDutch93 who tf makes one-to-one adaptations? That is not even possible... books have what movies don't and movies have what books cannot. Dumb comment
@@Kanig94 Jackson has faced criticism in the past for his movies by some (older) fans of the books. Believe it or not, but his trilogy used to have a pretty big group of opposers. They didn’t like him omitting certain parts of the story like Tom Bombadil, the Scouring of the Shire and the 10-year gap between Frodo inheriting the Ring and the start of his journey. He has also been criticized for his restructuring of the second book and how he changed the Army of the Dead. Despite this, Jackson’s films are incredibly well made and captured the spirit of the source material.
The point I was trying to make is that perfect adaptations don’t exist (because perfection is literally unattainable) but that you can come real close to it by making the right choices. Jackson obviously made a lot of right choices but he also knows that some of his changes weren’t liked by everyone and are rightly criticized. Your comment seems to have missed this entirely or you just wanted to call me dumb on purpose.
@@MisterDutch93 yeah, it got some pretty serious haters 😂
@@cABit94 yeah it’s hard to imagine nowadays but a lot of Tolkien purists back then were against the movies. Even Christopher Tolkien (J.R.R’s son and former head of the Tolkien estate) had a passionate distaste for Jackson’s films, he did not condone them being made. A lot of the fans followed his reasonings that the movies took away from the philosophical aspect of the books and focused too much on the action.
What’s more hilarious is the budget of the entire show is supposed to be the most expensive one in tv history. The whole first season finished costing 4.65m and 40-50m per episode. And we get this.
Over 20 years and I still get a full body of goosebumps when I see that scene. What an incredible incredible trilogy that was, even moreso in hindsight after the rings of power garbage
The the books.
Skimming over the comments section I noticed that a lot of people seem to know that this Uruk-Hai is called Lurtz, even though he is never adressed by name in the movie. I think hat is testament to how memorable that character and his scenes are in comparison to Random Beefy Orc Mook showing off his fancy dance moves to Totally The First Ever Elf Of Colour.
Brilliant observation. People go out of their way to remember his name
Uruk*
Really it shows how many of us play the LoTR games.
13 strength, archer, damage +1
7 twilight cost and I didn’t even have to look that up because you don’t get that s*** out of your brain.
Except his vitality and ability I forgot that I know it has to do with becoming fierce (he’s the only minion with an inherent ability to gain all 3 loaded keywords in set 1-3 which are the only sets that matter)
Was that elf “whitefacing”?
Because we all have hundreds of hours in Battle for Middle Earth ;) Sad that that series is gone or in limbo.
Aragorn calmly walking towards them with his sword in front of his face was one of my favourite scenes of the trilogy.
One good thing about RoP is it reminds me how good the LotR trilogy is. Not just as a Tolkien work, but the storytelling aspects of movies.
That scene is a perfect example, showing that Aragorn is focused and determined when it comes to battle but not like, excited or enraged by it (compare that to Galadriel in RoP - Aragorn would never embarrass young soldiers practicing their swordsmanship, for example).
@@asmodiusjones9563 which is only reflected in how he treated Eowyn when she swung a sword and he stops it with a knife in the great hall.
he did not ridicule her to show how he's "better than a woman", he acknowledged her worries instead.
"I made a promise, Mr Frodo" blows that scene out of the water.
Lawrence Makoare played Lurtz, Gothmog, Bolg and the Witch King, and he still emotes better than any of the leads in ROP, even under 2kgs of facial prosthetics, and one role without a face at all...
The man has an amazing control over his physical movements.
That plays a role, he was also a dedicated stuntman so was not afraid to get hit.
That's a recurring theme in the trilogy. Stuntmen got hit, so every time you see a sword connect, it's cause it actually did.
A great sign of immersion is seeing a scene that you know is fiction, you seen it before, you know how it will end, but you want to see it again and get sucked into the moment as if experiencing it again the first time.
A scene done poorly often loses its magic any consecutive time watching. You don't really feel compelled to sit and watch through it, your emotions aren't the same and your attention isn't quite comparable.
Movie magic vs basic content
This is true. Couldnt count how many times I've rewatched LOTR trilogy lol
THIS! As an avid reader I can't say HOW many times I've read some specific books and still am surprised by the twists, cry at the deaths, and feel for the characters.
I've seen the LOTR and Hobbit trilogies a thousand times. I could hardly make it through this new series once.
Every time you watch the fight with Lurtz you're like "Watch out Aragorn he's gonna throw his shield! OMG so close!"
Aragorn fight scene is just so insanely good. I've seen it dozens of times, and I STILL have that nervous OH WOW feeling when he's pinned to the tree by the shield and narrowly escapes decapitation.
Watching this, it just looks like they got the cheapest choreographer and said "make it look like the orc is strong!"
“Just throw him around.”
Still don’t know how Aragorn didn’t shave half his face off though ;) but otherwise that ending of Fellowship is absolute film making perfection.
You know what's funny? Despite how terrible the RoP scene is, it's still enjoyable to a certain degree. Why? Because you get to see the elf guy bet his ass beat.
It's the same as how the only good part of batwoman was the episode with the executioner, because he was kicking the shit out of batwoman.
Sidenote, when a show invokes that kind of reaction from it's audience, it has truly failed.
@@carljohan9265 I did like the Elf guy and didn’t want him to get deaded. But mostly just because he looked like a nice guy. I had no idea what his back story was or why I should care. I think he’d been standing there a long time on guard or something? I don’t know if it’s impossible to really create a sense of doom when we all know where things are going in Gandalf-epoch but I did care about the southlanders a little bit at least. And the tower collapse was good. Seemed to have bugger all effect on the orcs’ progress though.
yeah I think allot people skip the first film when they go back and forget all the incredible bits.... there was nothing like that when it came it... I remember being mind blown
I looked up videos on each fight and timed how long they were, from when they first made contact to the killing blow. I also didn’t count the small cut to the larger battle in the middle of the Rings of Power fight. In total:
Aragorn vs. Lurtz = 49 seconds
Elf Guy vs. Big Orc = 117 seconds
A fight with a random orc was over _TWICE AS LONG_ than the final fight with the boss of the first film.
Need I say more?
Hmm.... Now I am curious of the timing of the other big fights of the trilogy:
Witch King vs. Eomer
Frodo vs Gollum
Saruman vs Gandalf
Gandalf vs Balrog
etc.
And, compare that to the average length of the RoP fights
To play devil's advocate, two fighters that suck at what they do may take quite a while to fight it out ;)
@@LlamaMan321*Eowyn
@@THEDOORIZCLOSED Boy is my face red! I can't believe I did that. Cone of shame for me.
@@LlamaMan321 no shame. Just supporting a fellow LOTR fan☺️
All I have to say is I can remember that fight with the orcs from Fellowship of the Ring from so many years ago; but this fight scene in Rings of Power, I barely remember, honestly.
How did a 5 foot tall lady stab downwards on a target over 6 foot tall, that edit was horrifying
They dont give a shit. Thats how lol.
Damn what a great observation totally went over my head considering how baffled I was with the rest of the stupid fight.
Over the head😂, that's very fitting
She's a strong independent women who don't need no man. That's why...
And how did she still have the sword in that angle when he fell? The sword would absolutely be stuck or she would be dragged down with him..
Didn't watch Rings of Power (not even to hate watch it), but your video of the fight between Aragon and Lurtz makes me want to rewatch the trilogy.
There's never a bad reason to rewatch the REAL Lord of the Rings, nor is there a bad time to do so.
It's so so good I rewatch it at least once a year, more if I wanna treat myself
In modern movies/tv today - at least those coming from Hollywood - the man is either portrayed as a b*tch or the less competent, while the woman has assumed the role of leader and/or warrior/savior. None of this is by accident of course.
Not to take anything away from Viggo, but I feel like some appreciation should go to Lawrence Makoare, who played Lurtz. He definitely sold the part; just the scene where he yanks the dagger out of his own leg then licks the blood off the blade before he throws it at Aragorn tells you this guy means deadly business. And to do it so well under all that makeup and prosthetics is pretty damn impressive.
True! Viggo and him where good friends on the set, that definitely helps.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 I didn't know they were close, but it definitely helps build the scene. I also read somewhere that they didn't pull their punches while filming; if that's the case, you really want to work with someone you know and trust to make it work
@@necrosunderground It helps that Lawrence was regarded as a "real gentleman" on set.
Another fun fact is that Lawrence Makoare played two more roles in the Return of the King: the Witch King, and Gothmog (the deformed orc general of the army attacking Minas Tirith).
@@kenjutsukata1o1 Wait, he was Gothmog, too? Holy shit, dude killed it all around!
The very first thing that jumps out at me is how dark the fight scene is in the Power clip.
I thought that trend died when Game of Thrones had us turning our TV brightness to max, contrast up, and turning every light in the house off just in the hopes my eyes would adjust enough to see some of the battle.
They keep filming night battles because it allows them to cut lots of corners on the details around the fight by purposefully making it hard to see and makes it harder to notice how few people are actually there. So, no matter how frustrating it is for the viewer while watching the show, they'll keep doing it because it allows them to be lazier with everything.
The fight is dark and full of errors . . .
😂😂😂😂
Even after seeing it dozens of times, that fight with Aragorn STILL makes me nervous and on the edge of my seat. And I know how it ends!
The only thing that bugs me in the LoTR movie scene is that Aragorn didn't just stab Lurtz when he initially hit him, BUT you have to build suspense a bit in cinema. The contrast between these two really is shocking. Great video, man.
Aragorn being pinned to a tree and nearly getting decapitated guillotine style still makes my butt clench every time
The thing that really gets me about this point in the fight is you realize how intelligent the Orc is. He's not just swinging and wagging his moves are calculated and purposeful. You believe, even in the face of Aragorn's obvious plot armor, that he may actually be able to kill Aragorn.
@@merfishsandwich691 When you watch it for the first time, the plot armor doesn't seem so strong, considering what just happened to Gandalf and Boromir.
@@Barwasser Oh definitely. But even when you know what is going to happen it's still a great fight scene.
@@merfishsandwich691 it wasnt obvious to me back when i first watched it! It felt like a mature movie where people could die to me
@@Barwasser I actually watched a reaction series of someone watching the movies for the first time (and having never read the books) and after Boromir she was constantly terrified of main characters dying. It was funny from a knowing perspective, but to her No One Was Safe!
Another thing. Even if we forget the glaring obtuse fight that elf guy and orc guy went through, we still want pay off for this 1 v 1 and see elf guy finally get the upper hand and land the killing blow, but that payoff was squandered when someone that wasn’t even included in the start of the fight does it. All that wasted time just for someone else to get the kill?
Gotta have a strong empowered wahmenz moment on the battlefield saving the weak men...leftist propoganda.
@@ftniceberg874 yeah I figured as much 😑
"Elf Guy" had to be saved by the girl boss .
Yeah and of course it’s Bronwyn, somehow.
Bronwyn is stupid, she would have stabbed that orc in the foot.
I also hate when monsters or villains throw someone they could easily kill then and there then slowly walk toward them to give them enough time to recover.
Yes. Being grabbed by something a lot stronger than you and with claws and/or fangs on top of that should mean immediate death, something the hero should avoid at all cost.
I only accept it in cases where it's a clear case of the monster/villain toying with their victim.
Yes. A good example of how avoiding this makes good scenes is when Frodo gets stabbed by the cave troll in Moria. The beast wastes no time, there's this stick, there's this tiny annoying little thing, get impaled. It just makes sense
I mean granted, if it is a predatory thing, like a cat I can see them doing that. Cats tend to play with their prey often enough(my own cats have cornered a mouse and watched it, waiting for it to move then slapping it back into a corner). But the orcs in ROP seem like they have one collective brain cell and someone is using the singular brain cell to find where to go take a dump.
I also hate the "throws" mid-fight. Especially when both sides are trained fighters. It breaks immersion... Like this isn't a dangerous life or death situation.
I tried watching this show. The worst part was when the villagers listened to a barmaid about defensive tactics. What does a barmaid in a world without TV, internet, or books know about defensive tactics?
She knows the same if she had tv, internet or books - which is again - nothing
Strong empowered female knows everything because the story demands strong empowered female must know...
Otherwise, how else would she be relevant as strong empowered female?
This is why I liked Eowyn.
She grew into a warrior. She wasn't a natural warrior. She had a loving uncle and a caring cousin. And while she had to hide, you don't see her display her true courage until she must step between the Nazgul and Witch King and her Uncle pinned under a horse. And you can see FEAR in her eyes. Something you don't see in many of the portrayed characters of women today. They're naturally courageous, naturally unafraid, naturally blunt to the risk of potential "death" before them... Because there is no potential death or natural terror on display.
Eowyn was up against a very powerful foe that no man has bested and had a powerful beast under its control. And she was VERY outmatched by the Witch King who could one hand a chain mace and a long sword with ease. It was triumphal to see her overcome such a powerful foe (with some help by a very canny Mariadoc), despite being on the verge of death herself, about to be ran through. The book goes into even greater detail what the movie kind of leaves out. The very breath of the Nazgul would make even the most courageous warrior flee in fear, as it smelled of the thousands of rotting corpses it consumed. And its shriek was like an audible flashbang that could pierce the very mind with sheer terror. Yet it was love for her uncle that kept her rooted in place. THAT is a warrior.
And all this with a lot of training, but very little combat experience.
It speaks volumes, also, to how she speaks and how she respects and cares for Aragorn. She's a woman first and foremost, which is why I appreciated her character so much. They didn't remove her femininity. They maintained a character that embraced it and even made it the shining example of a Shield Maiden. Something the Rohirrim very much honored and respected and paid homage to.
OH!
And she respected Aragorn's love for Arwyn. She didn't continue to pursue Aragorn and steal his heart. She respected his boundaries and honored him as a man already in love with another love in his life. But she would still follow him into battle if necessary. To which at the end of the trilogy, and in the book, she would fall into love with Faramir. Which is unique in that both are emotionally and spiritually hurt, but complement each other when they find themselves. Faramir fought harshly to earn his father's pride and trust. Eowyn fought to prove to herself that she could fight when it mattered. Both, rather, got their closure in a sense.
Faramir finally saw the love he always yearned for from his father when about to die with him on the pyre. Eowyn finally proved her mettle when she fought to save her father's life.
So they fit each other perfectly.
When you compare these characters, the new ones really pale in comparison to the ones PJ kept true to the author's original creation.
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek a beautiful summary of one the few, but powerful female characters in LOTR.
@@JohnDoe-wt9ek And the reason she had to hide wasn't because Rohan didn't let women be warriors, it's because Théoden was expecting to die, and was leaving her behind to rule.
@@icelara5972 And the only counter-point you need to any of the loonies who try to claim that Tolkien was sexist.
The ending with Jackson's interview where he says "... what Tolkien cares about... the rise of evil" made me unintentionally laugh
The RoP fight was very reminiscent of the 90s Hercules TV show but extra gore. It takes real talent to make a fight scene boring, comical and disgusting.
Absolutely, i was so taken aback by the gory moments, they're truly shocking but like they're not consistent at all (even incompatible) with the otherwise goofy looking and drawn out fight scenes.
That show is far superior to ROP.
@@anubusx It had heart. This show is soulless
Let's not compare Rings of Power to Hercules: The Legendary Journeys or Xena Warrior Princess; because they are vastly superior in every way.
The script for this was "black guy doing cool stuff, wahmen save the day"
They don't care about anything else
In watching the bonus material for the film trilogy, Peter Jackson stated that he wasn't interested in putting "their baggage into these movies... these films should ultimately be Tolkien's movies, not ours." I was so impressed and moved to hear that. Just one of the many major reasons why the Lord of the Rings films are true masterworks in film and story-telling. Thank you for this video and doing this comparison.
But they did tho. Especially when it came to Arwen and a few other tweaks like Galadriels monologue when she is tempted by the ring. I think it was Elrond who was supposed to save Frodo and deliver the spell by the river, not Arwen. They also considered adding Arwen to the Helms Deep fight and iirc they changed some things ab Legolas-honestly it was more tweaks than that but yeah the movies are different from the books and the family and book fans were mad as hell
@@THEDOORIZCLOSED Yes, and you can never have a book to film adaptation that is "exactly" like the book. It just wouldn't have worked. If it had been up to Tolkien purists, there wouldn't have been any movies.
What makes this fight scene in LOTR with Viggo so great is it looks real. This was a brutal, visceral fight between two warriors, and only one was going to survive. The action isn't to prolong the fight, it's clear they want to kill each other as quickly as possible and the action reflects that, and they will clearly use any means necessary to win. Peter Jackson recorded an incredibly realistic fight.
The fight scenes you showed from The Rings of Power appear to be using Hong Kong wire work and martial arts that gets so over choreographed the fight scenes become farcical.
also helps a real knife was thrown at viggos head
And of course being male he needed a strong generic woman to save him. I cannot STAND the hollywood trope of a good guy in a prolonged fight, in the battle long enough to deserve the win once and for all, but instead we get to the moment for the bad guy's killing blow, but suddenly we see the shocked face on the baddy then they fall dead and we see the shocked, shaking, (usually woman) standing behind the baddy, holding her sword, smoking gun, whatever. It's sooooo played out. This show is an abomination, and an insult to the professor's life's work.
Im so glad i have an audience smart enough to see this bullshit clearly. I knew it was over when they had him run away from an orc and gave her the fight scene in ep 2.
Yes. Don't even dare to ask how the woman somehow managed to run to the both of them in the middle of a battle where they're outnumbered. How is it empowering to stab in the back anyway?
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 I personnally was relieved to see her ending the fucking boring fight. We can at least give her that she's the best part haha
Also considering Tolkien fought in WW1 and saw men (and only men) fight and win, seems an insult that a woman has to come in and save the day. Women were strong in a feminine way, they didn’t need to go into battle; they battled at home. (I say this as a woman so I’m not being sexist.)
Eowyn had such a strong female moment in battle and it was glorious. It wasn't filled with agenda.
Fun Fact: the scene where Lurtz throws the dagger at Aragorn was actually an accident, the actor threw a real dagger at Aragorn but it was expertly parried away. The scene looked so good that they left that part in.
That isn’t true at all lol you absolute moron
One thing I've always loved about the Lurtz fight against Aragorn is the fact that Lurtz is literally made, not born. This means that, he's effectively at the time of this fight either a few months or a few years old - I can't quite recall the exact book details. So while he's basically superhuman in strength, Aragorn simply bests him with swordsmanship and experience, shown by Jackson through the flurry of clashes that Aragorn's sword has with Lurtz's, flourishing him into getting impaled. It shows immediately on a story level a few things:
1. Uruks are very powerful for even being able to contend with Dunedain of Aragorn's caliber, but
2. they are inexperienced (this makes believing the amount of carnage that Legolas/Gimli/any named hero commits against the Uruk Hai that much more believable later on)
3. Aragorn is an experienced fighter, and the fact that he arrived at all shows loyalty to his men- kingly traits that you wouldn't expect from an average Ranger.
the other think they show us is uruk hai archer use gun bow, but the other (real orc, elves, and human) use war bow. gun bow is easier to learn than war bow that need years of training to master it. they show us that uruk hai only days or months before they go to the war
@@Alcides985 crossbow for the Uruk hai
Aragorn vs Lurtz fight is captivating,because it tells a story. Skill vs raw strength, honour vs brutallity. Initially Aragorn is dominated by the orc's sheer power.Notice how any close contact has disastrous consequences for Aragorn. Dagger-in-the-thigh trick doesn't work,so finally Aragorn realises he needs to keep his distance and resorts to the one thing orc's don't do- actual fencing. Thus he manages to gain the upper hand while Lurtz looses one.
I think dagger actually kinda worked for Aragorn. To me it looks like it hurt him a lot and thats because its elven dagger.
Saruman even said they dont feel pain, yet he looked like it hurted.
But yes, he had upper hand thanks to experience in sword and Lurtz was like what ? 2 days old ?
Also at 6:15, when he starts stabbing the orc, the orc hits his arm away and then just stands there flailing his arms around while being stabbed multiple times. I guess he thought that it is unfair that they couldn't just continue with hand to hand combat.
Hes krumping. Someone make that into gif lol
It was a magical arrowhead...The magic wasn't damage, but that it made him feel the pain most orcs just ignore 🤣🤣
Elrond, who is relatively young for elves, talks down to an ANCIENT PRINCESS as if she's just coming of age and going through a rebellious phase. This is why I hated the series. They just took a thing that was and still is popular across various media, called it that and didn't make it that.
why is mbappe fighting an orc
this is criminally underated bruh
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Jeez another new shoot out rule! Leave the game the way it was! 😅
Showrunners failed to notice a flagrant red card incident! 🤣
A few points that were missed in the Rings of Power fight. When the orc was looking at elf guy, he was also possibly thinking about kissing elf guy. There was the part where elf guy has orc in a choke hold and the orc foolishly tried to tap out before remembering that they were supposed to be in a fight to the death. Then the part where they hadn't spent enough of the special effects budget, so orc pulls the arrow out of his eye to bleed on elf guy.
got to love theese new kinks these young gay men have
Game of Thrones did a great job with writing a big villian who can easily over power anyone with the Mountain. Jamie tells his brother that even if he still had his right hand, he probably wouldn't fight the mountain because one wrong step, and it would be over, and that's exactly what happens to the Viper. Same thing with the Hound. Any opponent who gets close to him just gets destroyed. That should be taught in film school
and then... Season 8 happens and the Mountain keeps throwing his opponent around -.-'
notice a pattern?
dudes, tv series are for milking saparcribers... you can't have a series if everything ends in 2 hours..
@@criztu I don't even know what your point is.
@@Barwasser Wait, there is a season 8 of Game Of Thrones? 😂
@@MichaelSillion no.
My favorite bit is when bad ass Galadriel shrieks "Black lives matter" and then attacks. Damn ROP is bad.
You should watch the babylon bee parody. Not joking, it has better production
I guess one of the big parts of choreographing a good fight is really justifying why it's as long as it is. You can have a fight last more than a minute *if you want*, but it really has to feel like both characters are frantically trying to kill each other with everything they have. There's nothing Lurtz or Aragorn could have done differently in order to kill the other more efficiently, and that's what makes that fight feel so bloody. Lurtz is snarling with rage with every strike. He's running at Aragorn with his arms stretched back when preparing to swing at his head. Aragorn is grunting with each swing and is stunned and debilitated every time he takes a blow to the head. In a lot of fights, the villain will do something like throwing the hero (like you mentioned) and then menacingly slow-walk towards the hero with their weapon drawn while the hero crawls to a sword or other weapon. Or they'll do the thing where they all walk in a circle while staring at each other, or they'll stop and talk during the fight while they do a sword-bind or something.
The point of mentioning all this is that if a fight is going to last longer than a minute, I HAVE to believe that it's because both fighters are either skilled enough and have enough durability and stamina to last that long. If someone's taken 15 punches to the face and their face is still pristine and they're fighting just as quickly and coherently as they were at the beginning, that's going to lower the believability and stakes because that tells me the other guy punches like a pussy. Aragorn takes a headbutt and a punch to the face and 5 seconds later looks like he's barely managing to stay awake and is clearly trying to make sense of the situation. That's what happens when you get punched around the head, especially by a creature with the build of Lurtz.
Having a duel last longer because both opponents aren't fighting for large portions of it can be very well done and engaging. Fighting is scary, one wrong move and you're dead. Having opponents circling each othet while being scared for their life and keeping each other just out oc reach can build up suspense and can even be combined with banter/talking.
@@cambria9893 intimidation is a factor, as well as studying your opponent's movements and reactions by circling and fainting before the actual climax of the fight. But I think OP refers to the theatrical moment you get when the swords are clashed together, both fighters giving off speeches and shit, just for "epicness" or exposing motives and situations to the audience (you'd never give a briefing to someone you're about to kill)
@@cambria9893 Reminds me of this fight scene from an old movie ruclips.net/video/_H-3NKj8yO8/видео.html
From around 2:00 there's about 30+ seconds of completely unchoreographed weapon fighting with the two martial artists going at each other as if it were a real fight. A lot of the choreography was also from them actually sparring.
9:54 Just look at Aragorn's face and pose right before he starts fighting. he puts his sword straight in front of him, telling me the internal turmoil he had, and the fact that he was controlling it while focusing his energy, but clearly feeling it, almost like "praying" for the outcome to be in his favor. also shows his "professionalism" and training. despite him being an excellent fighter, he still is humble enough to know in what a tough situation he is. (all transmited through subtle things) yes man, I agree with you, the attention to details and the level of immersion screams in lord of the rings . the other scene, yeah, pathetic hollywood tumbling. lol
Also, the scene where Aragorn tells the hobbits "you bow to no one", not gonna lie, every time I remember that scene, not even watching the movie, I get tear in my eyes.
Read the books. PJ butchered Aragorn's character by turning him into a self-doubting swordsguy
Yes dude, putting the sword in the forehead before fighting is a centuries-old usage.
@@reek4062I actually think the change makes more sense, as it provides an explanation for why Aragorn had never tried to claim the throne of Gondor before.
@@reek4062 PJ made a ton of changes in the movies, yet somehow still better than ROP.
Elrond isn't supposed to be a critical cranky old man in LOTR... Elrond was described as the kindest person you can ever meet... and yet even cranky old man didn't feel completely out of place.
@@Wha2les I don't think he ever came off as unkind to me. His "crankyness" if you put it that way, always felt more to me like genuine concern and care for the safety of others, which is a sign of kindness.
I think it's important to remember who Boromir actually is. Gandalf, in the books, describes his family as not being terribly dissimilar to Aragorn. They're direct descendants of Numenoreans. That means they're tall, strong, and physically extremely resilient since they're blessed by Eru Illuvater (the monotheistic god of Arda, which makes sense since Tolkien was a devout Catholic and pointed out the Valar, while some called them gods, weren't actually gods and, with the exception of Morgoth, found it confusing). Lurtz killing Boromir is, as such, really important, because Boromir is that strong. While the orc who does it in the book is never named, Lurtz works, since it's derived from Lugbúrz, the Black Speech name for Barad-Dur. Man the fight in Fellowship was so much cooler. Aragorn looked so bad ass, but it actually felt threatening.
The whole lawd dem rangz show is completely thematically incorrect for Tolkien. My man describes the wonderful architecture and the beautiful nature wherever the books go, and they made "dark grimy ugly medieval town also lots of blood and depression".
I am so happy you put this video together. Peter Jackson was a genius with good intensions that personified a love for Tolkien's works. Amazon put together an incoherent slopfest. It reminds me of a Top Gear episode where they put a BMW badge on some dog poo and they said "people will buy this because of the logo". That was the entire basis of Rings of Power. It's a Tolkien badge on dog poo.
Peter Jackson made dumb action movies for manchildren. No surprise people like you worship him.
When Lurtz pushes the sword further through his body even further to mock and snarl at Aragorn is like him say "You may kill me but you can never insult me!" Badass Orc Captain.
Id say its more of a power vs force dynamic. Evil uses brute strength force and fear to control their enemies but they underestimated the power and fearlessness slowly and metculously developed in Aragorn through years of training and struggle. Power beats force in the end.
I was watching rings of power with my lotr obsessed family. I was the only one who criticised the series and they all said I was nitpicking and too harsh. Then I showed them the aragorn vs uruk-hai scene and a part of helms deep. I think they forgot how good lotr actually was. They never said anything like that ever again
You weren't believed my dear friend 😜
I for te most part pretend this show doesnt exist, and dont even watch videos about it if its not clearly stated in the name and thumbnail that this new show is trash and the work of evil.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 haha, well spoken. Like the fact it exists, makes it so. (bad). Deny it's existence. An Insult to Humankind/Human Race. I mean yeah like if their not even gonna try. Then just not gonna bother from get go, to even watch it.
Then again I love watching how pathetic some of scenes look. Like the Wing-Chun Orc who doesn't even have decency to deal a killing blow/pushes allied character to keep prolonging the fight. And deals like 10 punches/pushes to get anywhere significant of dealing real pain, the knife blade to the eye should have been 1st move. Some random orc dude pops round corner. With what supposedly to me looks like a boss scene/'''fight'' (clear inverted commas) scene. Just a Fight for the sake of a fight.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 If they wanted to make him look Brutal they should have added Iron-Gloves/Glaives or something and then watch fist punch holes in the guy. Then I'd be like this is new. Instead of oh hello random dude, ''This is new''. A guy with a unweaponed fist isn't exactly very brutal. And There's like No Armour on him, pieced together by what seems like leather straps. Prefer that Rather than ''orc'' just punching/meandering around like a yeti/Bear/Troll-guy/Armadillo-guy not even dealing any significant Blows to his actual target.
how to fuck did they not get bored in your scenario?
my mate and i had to watch horror movies every 2 episodes just to wake ourselves up.
literally nothing happens for hours, then goes nowhere
LOTR took tremendous effort to make. Then, some years ago, they found out you can make money out of movies without any effort. Just throw some familiar characters or themes people used to like, add random shit to it and people will go watch it.
That interview with PJ at the very end truly does highlight the difference between the two. One's a homage to the greatest fantasy ever written, and the other is a cash grab clichéd writing full of gesturing and "messages"
The woke cult has no respect and purposely shits on past greatness no matter the genre, especially so if that greatness stems from "an old white man".
i hate the message
@@orkhepaj and what's the message?
@@bombarded15 no doubt some woke horse shit
@@bombarded15 that's always the message
The ROP fight rips off so many aspects of the fight in 300 between Leonidas and the giant uber Immortal (which was exponentially better done).
1. The size and proportions of the baddy.
2. The heavy mouth breathing and grunting/growling through the fight (actually sounds identical to 300).
3.The power blows (or throws) sending the good guy flying to show the raw physical power disparity.
4. The good guy fighting down low using several tactical blade strikes in an attempt disable the larger baddy.
5. The baddy drooling (or bleeding) on the face of the good guy in a desperate moment where he about to be overwhelmed and killed.
6. The good guy stabbing the baddy in the eye with a broken spear (or arrow) tip found during the fight.
What pathetic lack of originality.
300 fight: ruclips.net/video/aZR5vfvZzi4/видео.html
Interesting, this is indeed really similar. IMO fight in 300 is still MUCH better.
@@Alen725 What I liked about the throw in 300 was that the monster wasn't actually throwing Leonidas he was ripping his shield from his grip.
Which also shows the king's strength as well, the fact that he was able to hold on at all.
@@JakeBaldwin1 Yeah he was trying to get to him though shield, in ROP big guy had this diversity elf completely dominated yet he decided to throw him away for some reason.
@@Alen725 Would've been cooler if the elf disarmed the orc and then the orc just grabbed him and repeatedly smashed him against everything.
Now that you mention it... you have a point there.
Rings of powerless. Worst show ever. They didn.t want to make money but to get modern messages to as many as possible, using a known name. That.s all
*I'm starting to think they just did this to make Amazon seem more likeable AS A COMPANY to the General Audience... hence the Unnecessary Race Baiting and make Black Elves, Dwarves, and Black TALL Hobbits when NONE EXISTED IN THE BOOKS! I think that's what get me now is that Half the Cast if not MORE are made up of these Characters that were never Writen and Never Existed, and EXIST ONLY in a Piss poor attempt AT AMAZON TRYING TO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LESS OF A SCUMBAG COMPANY AS WE KNOW THEM TO BE (-_-)! Half a BILLION WASTED! Not to mention this Shitstain on Tolkiens Legacy... this was a Disgrace TO SAY THEEE LEAST!*
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Disagree about them not wanting success. They are just delusional to believe they were more talented than Tolkien.
@@angrytigger83 Hollywood has redefined what success is. The people with money have drastically redefined the traditional Hollywood film production units relationship…
It used to be the producer put up the money and chose the theme, setting… generally gives the director an idea of what to make.
Once the money is handed over to the chosen director, The director is in charge of the process. They create the teams to make the movie, organise the teams, budget, allocate etc etc… The director is the creative force of the process and producer can pitch in, but is NOT an established person of the creative who can be ignored.
Nowadays the creative team includes the producer who tells the now subservient director what to do, what scenes to shoot, ANYTIME. The producer is outside of the organisational planning the director performs and in the case of a certain KK, is a disruption to the organisational process that establishes timelines, milestones and goals.
This is why Early DC movies were a mixed bag compared to Marvel. D.C. let their directors have the reins while Marvel opted for a producer led production.
The problem is, Marvel put the pressure all on one person while D.C. spread the pressure across multiple directors.
Not to knock the Marvel mode, when it works it works… but when it doesn’t you end up with a whole season of bad films, whereas D.C. films can surprise you with their quality.
TLDR: A cinematic universe is only as good as the communication and willingness to listen to the Director… the expert of making films for audiences. And when the producer doesn’t listen, the director loses Luke Skywalker for a dead Leia, is overruled and forced to abide by every insane whim of the producer, or just outright fired.
It is no accident that the director of Willow, an experienced director veteran, was brought in to quickly make Solo and KK was told not to interfere and let the man do his job.
Actually they DID want money, but they thought they could pull the wool over the Tolkien fans with their fake adaptation.
Middle-Earth isn't a label. The product has to be worthy of the name.
Which Rings of Power definitely isn't. Any real Tolkien fan could spot that from miles away.
This series could have been something special, but the folks in charge thought they could do better than Tolkien and shoved the whole thing straight down a rabbit hole. And there's absolutely no way to undo the mess it's made of the canon.
What an absolute waste of money and potential.
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq could be an attempt to raise the image of the company. But imo Tolkien and his legacy could never be shitstained. It is true, and sad, a lot of people think that THIS is Tolkien. And we will have to argue with them till the enf of our days, but that is not that important because you will have ignorant people all the time.
The ones interested in culture and truth will read the originals and they will stand the test of time, i have no doubt.
IF there is sth positive coming out of this mess, it made me read LOTR again AND discover that Tolkiens world is much more than i knew.
There is hope tho. A hard reboot by Amazon, admitting the failure, would make all the rings-fans shut up forever and i think...IF they would try to stick to the lore as much as possible many of us eould even forgive and forget the stupidity of rings of pewa
The Rings' of Power were originally designed to bring all the races together and Sauron knew this. He knew the Elves, Dwarves and Man would except the gifts. His only downfall was not realizing about freewill. As the saying goes, "3 were given to the Elves, immortal wisest and farest of all beings, 7 to the Dwarf lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain-halls and 9 rings were gifted to the race of men, who above all else desired power. And 1 ring to rule them all. He was trying to control the battlefield by controlling the leaders and it failed when the races joined forces against him. Elves, Dwarves and Man vs Orcs, Goblins, Man and Trolls.
2:35 the sheer WILL POWER to not say the dagger being deflected by Viggo was unscripted and real. Incredible!
Edit: 8:00 Ahhh there it is!
It's a fun fact about those movies that will be passed on for generations. No one can resist sharing it when they talk about that scene because it's so crazy that it even happened and then made it into the final cut of the film because of how awesome and real it looked. Especially since it was both awesome and real, and caught on camera.
But did you know when he kicked the.........
@@scottfitzpatrick1939 when sam walked in the lake........
That sequence was very much scripted and planned, according to the director's commentary. That they accidentally used a real knife instead of a stunt one though-- that part seems true. Might seem less cool if you're focused on serendipity, however...
...the fact that Viggo Mortensen did it first take, and potentially saved himself from a horrible accident, is no less impressive in my book.
EDIT: wait, so the knife being "real" may have also been intended-- which would be weird. I have a hard time believing they would've chanced on a "real" knife, instead of using a stunt aluminum one. Unless by "real" knife, they actually mean they used a "real, but dull, knife" to sell the weight. Probably would've still hurt like hell though.
@@crypto66 it wasn't planned for the other actor to throw it directly at Viggo though, but to the side and have angles make it seem as if it flew right at him. It was an accident in that sense. the quick reflexes and baller hit made it into movie history all the same
The orc didn't need weapons. He had his beefy arms for guns. Super advanced.
He just wanted to show off
@@jedibrooks7235 Women love it when you fight without a weapon
The orc didn't need weapons. He had his beefy breasts for tanks. Super advanced.
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I genuinely thought that the Big orc was gonna kiss him. I mean he holds him by the shoulder, looks at him intently and gets closer very slowly. But then he got hold of himself and just slammed the elf to the ground... again... what a comedy!
yup, he should have given him The Mountain's treatment. At least that guy knew how to capitalize on grappling...
Also when the orc throws him against the well, with his back turned and bent over, I thought the orc was thinking about gettin it on.
For all we know that was a traditional orcish courting ritual. Maybe it looks like a bad fight scene because the orc was just clumsily trying to express his attraction to elf guy, and was too dumb to understand the concept of cultural barriers. Poor Chungus :'(
the Orc wanted something more sexual, if only the Elf had his pieces...
watching this makes me realize why these new fight scenes were so frustrating to watch and annoying while the old ones were fulfilling and satisfying with emotions.