Pistol vs Rifle for Combat | Tactical Rifleman
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- We get asked to test a lot of expensive ammo. That's a great problem to have.
Lot's of the pistol ammo performs great... as far as pistol ammo goes.
However, no matter how great it performs, it's just not gonna hold a candle to a decent rifle.
If I'm going to a gun fight... I'm bringing a Rifle.
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Best advise...don't get into a gun fight.
You have to be a cook or the general ...
exactly
Exactly,,don’t let the other person get off a shot
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take.
Or have the boys with you
I dont carry a pistol or a rifle. I carry a pocket mirror. When confronted with the threat, I draw my mirror and repeat "Karl Erickson" three times. This summons Sergeant Major Erickson, who kills the threat, and then calls me a dumb ass. Then I have to do push ups while singing Balad of the Green Berets while he laughs.
😭😭😭😂
That sounds like a weird fever dream 😶😶
I fr thought you were gonna say you turn the mirror towards the threat and say, look who you've become 😂
@@Lettusfarmlmao!
Way less paperwork on your end
Good info; rifles FTW
Absolutely all day every day
Absolutely positively!
Thats why the channel is called tactical rifleman, not tactical pistolman
But Mr.Guns..what about your .460 Rowland G21? 🤔
Agreed. Good facts, no agenda. Awesome video.
I heard tell that 5.56 works good on biceps 💪 as well 🤷🏼♂️
thanks to kyle rittinhouse for the field testing
Ooph.
@@tajituck888 exactly what I was thinking man that tumble ness is insane crazy to think think that one bullet did all that damage
@@henryrodriguez2799 yeah the 556/223 is nothing to underestimate. A lot of people do though. But I honestly think Kyle rittinhouse was using a soft point in that situation.
Specifically, armed commie felon biceps. 😂🤣😂🤣🤣✌🐸
A pistol can get you out of something. A rifle is for going to something.
Amen
Best comment 👍
Jesus loves you bro, it's ok...
Well said. Lol
@@jimcalifwin3760 lmao
Did he really just lick his rifle??? Nice
It wouldn’t be the first time.. 👅
Wait... you guys dont?
What else would you do with your rifle besides lick and shoot it? How can you resist?
I licked it, it's mine!
Don’t burn your tongue.
Lots of people shot with a handgun walk out of the hospital the same day. Rifle, not so much... Good stuff
Do you have statistics to prove that?
That’s BS, not that handgun shooting victims walk out of the hospital but, that the handgun is inferior. Most hospital handgun statistics are based on gang shootings, from untrained idiots using pistols ineffectively. Hospital statistics of surviving handgun victims usually are anywhere but CNS or vital organ impacts.
james blake was shot 7 times with a 9mm at almost point blank range and survived ,paralyzed but alive.
Statistically speaking your also more likely to be shot by a rifle than a pistol so that is a bit of a construed opinion based on inconsistent variables
Show proof of this please? All. Statistics I find point to handgun shooting being FAR more prevelant than rifle. Not the other way around.
And that is why this channel isn’t called “Tactical Pistolman” 😊
Underrated comment
Lol, maybe he should start one!
old TX Sherriff carrying a pistol @ a dinner party...
lady: Why sheriff, you’re carrying a gun. Are you expecting to get in a gunfight?
Sheriff: Ma’am, if I was expecting to get in a gunfight, I would have brought my rifle...
well Said Karl!
"A Pistol is an excellent weapon, for fighting your way to a long gun."
-Paraphrasing of some old gun guy
I hate that term.
“...cheap crap, buy at Walmart...”
But, Sgt. Major...Walmart doesn’t sell ammo anymore, only shot shells.”
No,they sell "rifle caliber" ammo. Meaning no calibers that can be fired from a pistol configuration. Right now, they have just been completely bought out of all ammo
@@FreedomInc they also no longer sell 5.56 or .223 or 7.62x39 or .308
@@721pjm that’s what I was referring to in my original comment/post but failed to be specific. 😩
@@721pjm thought they still had .308?
@@nathanielradtke7590 At least in New Hampshire they don't
Haven't finished the video but I'm going to assume rifle wins all the way everytime.
My assumption was astute.
Your a true scholar.
Some of us can't easily conceal a full sized rifle
@@theripwagon5868 try harder then man...
@@theripwagon5868 he goes over that in the video
That must be why law enforcement statistics show that most people who get shot with a pistol survive and most who get shot with a rifle or shotgun don't make it. Great informative video Carl. Thanks for your service as well.
Probably, I’m guessing shot placement is also very important; I’m pretty sure no one is going to make it with a thoracic or high thoracic wound.
@@mattwalters6834 Shot placement would have to be considered for both pistols and long guns. That being said statistics show that you're much more likely to survive being shot with a pistol than with a rifle or shotgun. I've even heard of a case of someone being killed by an air rifle and that person died from infection as he was shot in the abdomen. I guess shot placement had everything to do with that, but the terminal ballistics of an air rifle, a .22-LR or a 9mm are vastly different. Now comparing the terminal ballistics of a 9mm to a 5.56, 308, or a 12 gauge for example, with the last 3 examples, shot placement isn't nearly as critical as with the 9mm.
@@thriftysurvivor6117 👍
@@mattwalters6834 Indeed, most newbies shoot pistols, and most of the people firing pistols are morons... Virginia tech massacre is the perfect of example of effeciency. Extremly High kill ratio, and dude just did a little practice. Most ppl who own rifles are gun nuts and do at least a little training, handguns are extremly common and newbies are the one fueling the stastistics.
Hearing the phrase “cheap 55gr ammo,” makes me miss the good ol’ days... ie: months ago!?!?
#fml
How quick things change
He wasn’t referring to the price. You can charge $1000 for it it’s still gon be cheap.
When your Grandpa said "Put a ball in him.", he was talking about a rifle ball.
In my home or in the public my Glock 19 (124 Grain +P Speer Gold Dot) is in place just so I can get to my 11.5 BCM (62 Grain Speer Gold Dot).
Same here, G19 with 147gr federal hst and an AR with 60gr Hornady TAP Urban.
Glock all day cant beat something that won't stop yall should check out the 77gr smk or 75gr gold dot at pine valley ♥ 🤔 😎
@@Johnson11c my rifles love the frontier 5.56mm 75 gr bthp
Thats good find a good round that works well for your rifle just like any other firearm they are all gonna be a tiny bit different its a machine a tool glad your using good ammo
Beretta 92F loaded with 124 gold dot. Loaded in 18 round mecgar mags.
Some pistol people seem to forget that the last time soldiers went knowingly into combat with handguns instead of rifles was over a century ago, and then only because they needed one hand free to hold their horses' reigns.
Tell me when a civilian had war and thousands of men armed outside there door? 🤨
We still carry pistols in the military.
@@chroma6947 Pretty much any war in history. Why do you think Swiss citizens all have rifles in their house?
@@illogik He said "instead of". What military unit on the frontline only carries handguns?
@@chroma6947 maintain a well regulated militia being necessary for a free and secure state
I hope Karl picked up that live 9mm round he ejected out. Like gold nowadays!
Pure gold
So I wasn’t the only person fixated on that as well.?
I noticed that!
In a gun battle, a pistol is mostly a defensive weapon but a rifle can be both, pretty simple.
Amen great advice I was saying this to my brother-in-law. He told me I know nothing because I was never in the military or law enforcement and only been in firearms for a year. I read none stop get info on RUclips from you and others
@SilverSharkie thanks I am. I also train in BJJ and other MMA training with some stick and knife fighting.
@@waynebattersby9461 cool.
Titles don't mean shit. Cops hit 13% of what they shoot at, and there are plenty in all branches that don't shoot and can't hit anything as well. Ik civs who are way more knowledgeable. Much spec forces training is done by civilians, off base
Don’t talk to your brother in law.
@@sabretom7594 I don’t talk much because he is one step from being a whacko
Every pistol and rifle has its pros and cons
Definitely like the clear ballistic gel better than the traditional yellow.
But yellow tastes better.
It’s cool, but doesn’t show as closely how bullets act in flesh from what I understand
@@tfunkhou88 Yes, but there is no other standard test medium that gives repeatable results. Gel is very close. As much as I like Paul Harrell's videos, his meat targets, while they are good demonstrations, still do not give good, consistent results like gel. Gel may not act exactly like flesh, but it's close. Unlike flesh, it's consistent.
@@saxmusicmail right…I was saying clear ballistics gel isn’t as representative as 10% ballistic gelatin
Important thing, use a consistent medium for all tests.
When I trained at Gunsite in '86, Col. Cooper told us that in combat "The sole purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle or shotgun."
Your right Karl, the gel don’t lie. It always amazes me the number of people who will argue with you on about any topic. I wasn’t in the military you were, and special forces on top of that. You made it through some pretty dicey situations I’m sure so I think I’ll just take your word for it.
I know what you're thinking, gents. "But Karl, in Call of Duty I could take a pistol and head shot people and win games" Gents, I get that, and the problem with that is, when you get 150 headshots, your gun turns gold, and that's just not good for combat.
This is a really interesting video. I didn't expect that result. I keep a pistol w/weapon light close enough that I can be in action within 2-3 seconds after waking up, as long as I'm awake enough to fight. That's for if the bad guy is already on top of me, or damn near. If I have an extra 5 seconds, and they're not in the room yet, I'm going for my shotgun or rifle. Either one will end a fight more reliably than a pistol.
TR 1: Tastes Good Real Good. 😂🤣
High speed solid intel. Thanks Karl👍🏼
Outstanding video. Thanks for sharing. Much respect.
Your brand of no nonsense, practical, real world info is simply the trutj uncle Karl!
Awesome video as always!
Great video, SGM, as always. Informative and very entertaining. The tongue on the rifle scene was hilarious. Without doubt my favorite RUclips channel.
Thanks for the support. TR
There's 2 problems with the 55gr FMJ's. They regularly do great in gel tests but, depending on where you hit a bad guy, they can also 'ice pick' through. Their terminal effect on tissue is entirely dependent on velocity(which is effected by both barrel length and distance), twist rate and even the angle they hit flesh. Yaw and tumble or straight through aren't an issue in combat, but for self/home defense soft points are a better choice. The second issue is that barriers like drywall might as well be tissue paper for any FMJ. Again, this can be addressed with soft point ammo. Two I've tested with good characteristics, Winchester ranger 55gr and Winchester Powerpoint 64gr, reliably obtain sufficient penetration on gel/tissue while also breaking up into lower energy fragments after striking drywall. The 40gr Hornaday and Fiocchi VMax loads also break up through drywall but lack decent penetration in soft tissue.
As to why I carry a pistol, to paraphrase the late Paul Gomez, last time I walked into the bank with an AR slung across my chest they got really nervous.
In some places they don't
I’m always scratching my head when I see people running PCC’s and acting like they have something superior to a rifle because they can use the same ammo in their pistol. If you’re going to run a rifle make sure it shoots a rifle caliber !
good point, I’ve never understood that either, also to add to that, why would you carry something like an MP5 or UMP pcc for example when a 10.5-11.5 inch AR is far superior and roughly the same size
Literally just the other day I was reading an article Greg Ellifritz shared about how if you get shot with a pistol, and you make it to the hospital while your heart is still beating, you're almost guaranteed to survive.
People don't like being told handguns are shitty weapons, but it's the truth. The main difference is ergonomics relative to the individual shooter. Pistols are tools of convenience (the most useful tools are the ones you have on you). There is a commonly repeated adage of "Your pistol is only there to get you to your rifle" which is a bit of a misnomer. A pistol is with you all the time; a rifle is with you some of the time. And as for the idea that a pistol is somehow more maneuverable than a rifle... If you don't have the patience to learn how to properly maneuver a rifle, then I guarantee you will not be an effective pistol shot under duress. Anything you can mount from the shoulder is far easier to get fast, accurate hits with.
I literally say this same thing since I am a defensive handgun instructor... The best pistol is the one you shoot the best. For most people, that is going to be 9mm. There are two things I tell novice shooters that they need to understand: The hidden advantage of 9mm is that you can train on it more than any other duty caliber. And if you are training correctly and competently with a pistol, it will directly translate to rifle skills. So train like a mofo on a pistol, but bring a rifle to a gunfight... if you can!
(PS. Karl I would recommend some 5.56 ammo that Federal loads called T556TNB1. It's literally the SOST bullet optimized for shorter carbine or SBR length barrels. It's what I run in 5.56, highly recommend for duty/defense.)
Perfect brother! Exactly what I was taught too. Go big or go home.
Excellent demo. Thanks for sharing, Karl. :)
clear and to the point!
Little known fact:
Karl has a confirmed kill at 147 meters with his issue sidearm. Dude doesn’t even need a rifle. The louder cartridges just help him sleep better at night
No way. Did he say that in a tactical Tuesday?
@@milesbowen9433 Facts. I think it’s the 04/01 podcast
If anyone could do it I would bet on Karl
@@commonsenseproductions5893 April 1st, huh? Lol
I heard that Karl once killed someone at 300 yards just looking through the spotters scope.
Great info man, thanks!
Another nice work Karl, thank's a lot! Keep safe and shoot straigth😉👍
"Take a rifle to a gunfight." Sage advice.
A rifle to the gun fight!, ...and ALL MY FRIENDS WITH THEIR RIFLES TOO! Bring the entire "BIG RED ONE"
Sound , sensible advice once again ..thanks man 🤙🏽
Great explanation!!! keep up the vids
Amazing video. Its wild how theres some people in the gun community that thinks their pistol caliber .40 S&W and .45 ACP is more powerful than a 5.56/.223.
And In reality there not even as powerful as a 9mm
What about 460 magnum
@joesmith3661
That depends on the type of caliber but I have formula to help choose correct rounds.
Requirements
Chronograph to help measure muzzle velocity out of the specific weapon of choice.
Balistics gel to capture the bullet for analysis.
Micrometer to identify the size.
Step1
Get muzzle energy which is the weight and muzzle velocity (use chronograph).
Step 2
Identify the size of the bullet retrieve from ballistics gel.
Example
9MM and .45 ACP has a muzzle energy of 400 - 750 joules.
9MM (.360) Diameter
.45 ACP (.450) Diameter
If 9MM is hollow point they normally expand to 1.7 (so .600) and .45 ACP is full metal jacket
Lets say both are 600 joules but 9mm is hollow point
.600 / .450 diameter x 600 joules is 800 /600 joules = 1.33X.
much, much more powerful than 9mm lol. the hollow point in this video was garbage@@Dingleberry345
Thank you for the info I love watching that rifle shoot. I ordered my TR one couple months ago hoping to have it by the election doesn’t look good but still can’t wait to get it. Can’t wait to take a class from you next year saving up the money as we speak to be able to drive out and take your carbine class
The fbi agents from the famous Dade shooting all agreed on one thing...that the mini 14 and its noise, muzzle blast, firepower, ect all had a negitive physiological effect on them. It affected them mentally and in turn physically... and as clint Smith said, "rifles are monsters inside the average self defense shooting distance, they eat shit up".... I love my pistols... but I have the choice, I'm grabbing the biggest gun that makes sense for the room I'm in....
Wow thanks I really appreciate all the time you took brother
Great wisdom from Karl. Hope to someday be able to take one of his classes.
Great information as always!
This one of the very best video I have ever seen. Thank you
Great video- nice to see the side by side. It would be nice to see a couple different brands hollow points next to each other for 9mm and 5.56
100% spot on for all the information in this video.
Very insightful. Thanks!
I agree 100%, another awesome video keep up the good work 💪💪👍👍
Awesome Video as usual Karl and Rest of the Team
Glad you enjoyed it
@@TacticalRifleman always
Also very informative and entertaining. Thanks Carl
Another good video Karl!
I always like to see these comparison shots on ballistic gel!
And the 55-grain surprised me, I thought it would penetrate further!
What about a comparison of 5.56 FMJ vs SP?
Thanks again for this great video and of course I learned something, Blessings to you and your family my brother in Arms
Great demonstration, thank you.
Agree 1000% as we used to say if your using your sidearm something went wrong
Years ago I watched a presentation by an ER doctor and his experience was if you were shot by a pistol, they can probably save you, more or less. If you are shot by a rifle, probably not. The amount of damage done is exactly as shown in this video. Yes size matters but in this case velocity matters more.
Yup the velocity and the fact the 223/556 shape of the bullet makes it want to tumble once it penetrates flesh. That's why 9mm ball is crappy self defense ammo. It doesn't have the velocity, the size of the bullet doesn't dump like a 45, and the shape of the bullet just creates ice pick wounds and over penetrates.
And most of the people that ER doctor saw who had been shot with rifles probably weren't shot with 5.56 ball ammo. The damage done by a .30-06, .308 or .243 hunting rifle is going to be exponentially worse.
@@jeffreygunn3530 I would say that would have to be the case since so few people are shot with 5.56. He did specifically call out 5.56 as part of the lecture and noted how effective it is but I suspect in practical experience the likelihood of him having saved anyone from 5.56 is small.
@@NickFrom1228 People seem to forget that .223/5.56 is basically a varmint round. It's made for shooting coyotes, not people.
@@jeffreygunn3530 I would say that once NATO and a large number of other countries adapted it as their primary infantry cartridge it lost its varmint classification rather quickly. That being said, I'd suggest that it is also made for shooting people. Just because a cartridge is developed originally for one purpose does not mean that purpose cannot change.
Karl erickson. Man you had me dying laughing at 8:37 when you said you had ammo that you could buy from walmart! Keep up the great videos
Thank you for giving us perspective & sharing you insights.
My pleasure!
This is truly a wisdom video. Choose a hand gun separately from the rifle. Thank you for teaching.
Karl the look on your face when you cleared that ball round and it hit the ground......damn that was money 🤣
You guys are just awesome. No other words needed
Love your work karl
Karl changing hearts and minds one gel block at a time.
Great video! Spot on advice.
In Australia, we don't have the choice to use a rifle or a handgun for self defence...sigh.
with all the wild n dangerous critters in your country taking you guns is wrong on so many levels.
Should've fought for your rights instead of being a laydown.
Great information, Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Well most places will not allow us to carry a rifle around, to the grocery store, movies, etc. We all agree most rifles are superior to a pistol, but much harder to conceal, so carry in da trunk, with pistol in the belt. :>)
Love the information
Another great video 👍
Great demonstration, well done.
Thank you! Cheers!
Damn i was hoping you were gonna send one of those 5.56 Gold Dots into the block for comparison to the cheap 55 grain ball ammo in the difference that it makes.
Who the hell is going to throw away $50 like that??
Better yet a real caliber like 308, 30-06, 764-39 etc
@@rueridge7597 wtf is a 764-39 lol
@@DVTimmah $50 dollars for what?
@@TommyboyGTP the single 5.56 Gold Dot for the test 😅
For civilians you will probably only ever have a pistol in a public environment. If you use a rifle you are probably going to prison. Yes i know you will be alive. But who wants to be a boy you for the next 20 years.
Having said that. I've seen a lot of people shot with pistols. Some go to hospital and leave same day. Some stay in hospital and leave in a few days. Some stay in a bag.
Everyone i have seen shot with a rifle or shotgun gets to stay in a bag unless it's a limb shot.
Best advise i can tell you is don't get in a gun fight unless you have no other option. The consequences if you are not in a soldier in a war are not good. Even if criminally cleared you will spend a fortune defending your self. You may lose civilly especially if you are in a liberal city or state.
The only time you will probably be ok is on defense of you life in your home. In public you better have no other option. Been there done that. Take for what is worth to you.
So true and so unfair.
very true, repost this everywhere, this is what needs to be talked about.
Glad you made this video, I've always said this. In a shtf or combat situation people are gonna be wearing lots of gear and that will definately affect the performance of hp ammo. Now me being an AK guy I like running a 10.5 inch barrel. Compact, a lot of energy and itil run any garbage you feed it.
My sons for some reason preferred FMJ's for their EDC weapons despite my objections... Until I showed them your video and reminded them that they're on the hook for that round that passed through. They just switched to JHP's (we had a great day at the range with their FMJ's). I guess listening to me all these years sounds like the adults from Charlie Brown so the same message in a different voice did the trick. Thanks
Glad to help
Good stuff CSM! I have learned so much from you all at TR!
You should train with them. I've been through one class with them and plan to do more. It isn't cheap, but im am convinced there is no better training available even above their price.
SGM... not CSM
How long have I been saying csm?
Well your still an awesome green beret!
If I was closer to yall I would take a class but its a long trip and I don't have anymore vacation this year maybe next year I can make it out!
I carry a 45 but always have an AR pistol or Mini 14 in my vehicle and at the ready at home. Not only for the performance of the bullet but the speed, capacity and accuracy of the rifle, even when used by my wife or teenagers. Red dot, light and laser top it off to deal with any threat that may come our way. Great video.
Recently attended a very cool lecture on terminal ballistics in a medical trauma context. Was a good reminder that velocity matters much more than mass, ie KE = 1/2mv^2. Lead also shears itself apart on impact at roughly 3000fps and dumps all its energy on target...I wonder what has a muzzle velocity of about 3000fps? Oh yeah, 5.56x45mm.
Another great video Karl with some real spiritual enrichment for the REAL world. Keep making more vids like this please!!!
Great stuff! We carry sidearms because they're portable, not because they're potent. If the fight comes to you, in your own home, then there's no reason not to fight back with the most effective weapons you have! For me that will be a carbine (Bren 805 or PWS Mk114 Mod1) loaded up with 77gr OTM.
Everyone is on notice for what is expected when the meet up occurs. It's like the American Express card times 1000. Don't leave home without it.
copy that
American Express and guns are similar, they are not accepted everywhere.
Love to see that with a cheap 300 blackout round as well.
My bedside gun is a 300 blk pistol.
Hell yeah Carl! I'm with you on that brother! 🤙🏼
Thanks for sharing the intel.
Good video. I’ve never paid attention to “FMJ in ballistic gel videos before. Glad I have some.
My CCW has always been to get me to my gun in my vehicle, but my vehicle gun isn’t 5.56. My vehicle gun is my 12.5” 6.8 I use for deer, coyotes, and hogs on my sister’s farm. The magazines are loaded with 115 gr fusions (bought when they were
Too bad he didnt show good AR ammo to show an even more dramatic increase in performance
Look up arfcom videos, plenty of rifle ammo gel test for performance on there
That's at definitive as it gets.
Hot dang.
Great video!
This is why whenever you can you should choose a rifle to protect yourself. A rifle will always deliver more kinetic energy on target than a pistol. Use a pistol to fight your way to your rifle
.... licks rifle....😲🤦♂️😂😂😂 Karl you are freakin hilarious! Thanks again for another great video. Strength and honor.
Holy shit, I almost pissed my pants laughing when he licked the gun. Thank you for your service!
Great info. Good to know
Thanks for watching!
Good stuff buddy
Great advice.
I'm waiting on Glock to come out with their .338 Lapua handgun, then I'll show Karl what's up!!! :-)
Great content...totally agree
Thanks for watching, TR